been trying to work out how to mix white or lighter shades with something to make it bright/dark.
things is, we got a cheaper paint for our light coloured jobs and the paint is gorgeous, goes on smoothly and beautifully.
the specific “dark tint” paint we bought to get a dark colour was not only more expensive but the coverage and the smoothness is no where near as good as the cheaper one.
I’ve sucked it and see with adding acrylic paint from my art box and it seems fine so far.
so what is the magic ingredient that the tinted bases have and are paying through the nose for?

purple said:

been trying to work out how to mix white or lighter shades with something to make it bright/dark.
things is, we got a cheaper paint for our light coloured jobs and the paint is gorgeous, goes on smoothly and beautifully.
the specific “dark tint” paint we bought to get a dark colour was not only more expensive but the coverage and the smoothness is no where near as good as the cheaper one.
I’ve sucked it and see with adding acrylic paint from my art box and it seems fine so far.
so what is the magic ingredient that the tinted bases have and are paying through the nose for?

The proportion of binder, and the type of binder.

http://www.paintquality.com.au/library/ingredients_2.htm

purple said:

been trying to work out how to mix white or lighter shades with something to make it bright/dark.
things is, we got a cheaper paint for our light coloured jobs and the paint is gorgeous, goes on smoothly and beautifully.
the specific “dark tint” paint we bought to get a dark colour was not only more expensive but the coverage and the smoothness is no where near as good as the cheaper one.
I’ve sucked it and see with adding acrylic paint from my art box and it seems fine so far.
so what is the magic ingredient that the tinted bases have and are paying through the nose for?

I don’t understand the question. The white is simply powdered pure rutile, relatively inexpensive in bulk. The dark colours would be aniline dyes wouldn’t they? Also relatively inexpensive. Dark tints are usually made by adding a dark colour to a paler base.

Let’s see if we can pin down the question. What is a “job”? What type of paint are you using? What do you call “expensive”? Is the expense because it’s a brand known for its higher prices, even for white?

Coverage should depend only on the paint quality (eg. age, brand) and the amount of colour difference between the base coat and the overcoat. It shouldn’t depend much on the colour itself. eg. Mission brown is dark, cheap, had good coverage, and good smoothness.

Adding colours from you paint box ought to be a much more expensive alternative than using pre-prepared tints as much of the cost of the paint box paints goes into fine uniform grinding of materials.

+1 for Mission Brown.

I asked for some mission brown paint at Bunnings a while back and there was much hilarity. Oh, Mr. Jones should have been here, they laughed, but he is on lunch break. He has been waiting for someone to ask for this for years.

> I asked for some mission brown paint at Bunnings …

Asked wife what colour we should paint something. Her instant reply was “not mission brown”. Went to Bunnings, came away in complete agreement with mission brown.

Anyway, am almost sure that’s not what purple was on about.

I take it that mission brown is not desirable?

mollwollfumble said:

> I asked for some mission brown paint at Bunnings …

Asked wife what colour we should paint something. Her instant reply was “not mission brown”. Went to Bunnings, came away in complete agreement with mission brown.

Anyway, am almost sure that’s not what purple was on about.

I wonder if they all rolled about laughing when you left. I gather it is a bit of a standing joke in paint departments.

The other day I bought some cream paint. The woman at the counter produced a colour chart and I stabbed a colour and said ‘that will do’. A nearby female customer remarked at the rapidness of the selection process and she and the counter lady had a bit of light hearted banter about the difference between the male and female approaches to these things.

It seemed to me that Purple was asking about the the more expensive bases that one can select for tinted paints. In which case I think the link I posted explains the difference.

furious said:

I take it that mission brown is not desirable?

Should I go there?

ooh um, nah.

I think dark green is the new mission brown.

party_pants said:

I think dark green is the new mission brown.

Kelp.

Also available as Double Kelp.

(Stay away from repair work if you don’t like old colours)

There’s a joke, possibly a comedy sketch, about a lady showing the painter, through her house.

She describes in detail the blue she wants in one room, not sky blue, no, and not duck egg blue, but a blue in between, the kind of blue you see on new hydrangeas, just as they begin to blossom.

In the next room, it’s yellow, not daffodil, of course not, too strong, and not primrose either, but a delicate pale buttercup shade.

In a third room, pink. Not a bright or shocking pink, but a soft pink, a little bit of a dusty pink, like a dusty pink rose.

Painter listens carefully, makes notes on his pad.

Goes outside to his mate and says, “pale blue, pale yellow, pale pink”.

i think that you will find purple that the amount of pigment you have in your tube of paint is actually quite pissy.
you can buy pigments and make your own paints. but pigments are expensive. some more so than others.
the conversation about binder mediums is the same whether we are talking acrylic paint for canvas or wall paint.

when we painted this place we bought all the paint second hand from a painter who was moving to the mainland.
mr g just stepped back and the painter kept on saying ‘yes, i know what you mean’ and would grab another can to mix it up. i would say, ‘no, deeper, more velvety, greyer, greener’-more licheny’. and he was off again. it was sweet. it is the perfect colour.
he thought he knew what i wanted with blue/black, tone 9 out of 10. i actually meant darker than the blue/black he had in his projection space type room.

anyway it was the best two slabs of beer i have spent.

i’ve had a few people ask what the name of the colour was for the outside of the house.
we mixed that too..to a foggy misty sort of grey day grey.

captain_spalding said:

Goes outside to his mate and says, “pale blue, pale yellow, pale pink”.

There was a joke going ‘round about how a gay pub, which had recently won the right to refuse entry to non-gay patrons, was going to tell who was gay and who wasn’t. The punch line was the suggestion that they might use a poster with 5 shades of purple – And ask the punters to name the colours.

;-)

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

Goes outside to his mate and says, “pale blue, pale yellow, pale pink”.

There was a joke going ‘round about how a gay pub, which had recently won the right to refuse entry to non-gay patrons, was going to tell who was gay and who wasn’t. The punch line was the suggestion that they might use a poster with 5 shades of purple – And ask the punters to name the colours.

;-)

It was 8 am, downtown. I was sitting in purple flares and turtleneck with long hair by the gent’s loo in the park waiting for a certain Jeweller to open. I was just an apprentice, a leggy slip of a lad. It was 1971 ffs.
A trudk driver did a couple of reducing laps and pulled up, came over and asked what i was doing tonight.
Alarm bells didn’t ring. I automatically answered, “I think you have picked the wrong fella”. He retreated with rapidity.

roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

Goes outside to his mate and says, “pale blue, pale yellow, pale pink”.

There was a joke going ‘round about how a gay pub, which had recently won the right to refuse entry to non-gay patrons, was going to tell who was gay and who wasn’t. The punch line was the suggestion that they might use a poster with 5 shades of purple – And ask the punters to name the colours.

;-)

It was 8 am, downtown. I was sitting in purple flares and turtleneck with long hair by the gent’s loo in the park waiting for a certain Jeweller to open. I was just an apprentice, a leggy slip of a lad. It was 1971 ffs.
A trudk driver did a couple of reducing laps and pulled up, came over and asked what i was doing tonight.
Alarm bells didn’t ring. I automatically answered, “I think you have picked the wrong fella”. He retreated with rapidity.

then the truck’s wheels squeeled and the whole machine shuddered to a halt

the reverse lights came on blindingly and the all too familiar sound of the reverse beeper filled the night air

thing is, according to Bunnings, there are three types of bases for paint. (don’t quote me on the names)
you have your white. can add colour to it to get a pastelly effect. can’t get something dark or deep.
then there’s the tint 1 type that can be used for (maybe) medium to dark colours
then there tint type 2 that you need if you want dark colour.

the white paint we bought was tinted to a fairy floss pink. it was really pretty cheap. about $35 for 4 litres. and we only needed one coat cos it was just gorgeous to use.

the tint 2 we bought was $40 for 1 litre. coverage was awful. different brand paint cos you have to get tint type 2.

what I want to know, is what are these tints that they’re putting into the expensive paints, that I may choose a dark colour?

Is it some big industry secret or something?

Why can I not buy my cheaper tin of better quality paint, add type 1 or 2 tint, and then choose my dark colour?

found this

Hello Jeremy,

I am also an employee who mixes paint and have run into the exact same situation as you. Have you ever opened a can of white, medium, and deep base and compared them? If you haven’t, I would suggest you do. While the amount of tint that will physically fit in the can is one reason for the different bases, it’s not the only reason. The deep base typically looks kind of grayish. Think of all the times you have told a customer painting a red wall that they need a grey primer. Going from white to red is a HUGE jump; the grey primer serves as a stepping stone, if you will. If a color calls for a deep base and you try to adjust it and put it in a medium base, it will not work. The medium base will never be able to achieve what a deep base can do. Does that make sense?

I hope that helped,
Christine

so…Apart from the room in the tin, I’m not seeing any reason why they can’t whack some grey in to tint the base, and then give me the colour I want.

purple said:

thing is, according to Bunnings, there are three types of bases for paint. (don’t quote me on the names)
you have your white. can add colour to it to get a pastelly effect. can’t get something dark or deep.
then there’s the tint 1 type that can be used for (maybe) medium to dark colours
then there tint type 2 that you need if you want dark colour.

the white paint we bought was tinted to a fairy floss pink. it was really pretty cheap. about $35 for 4 litres. and we only needed one coat cos it was just gorgeous to use.

the tint 2 we bought was $40 for 1 litre. coverage was awful. different brand paint cos you have to get tint type 2.

what I want to know, is what are these tints that they’re putting into the expensive paints, that I may choose a dark colour?

Is it some big industry secret or something?

Why can I not buy my cheaper tin of better quality paint, add type 1 or 2 tint, and then choose my dark colour?

White base for starters can be used for any brand ie if the paint card for the colour you want to mix has a “w’ on the sample card then you could choose any brand of white base and get the same colour from a paint mixer.

Ceiling white and white is the most common colour and therefore there are many option available in the market place Meaning you won’t buy white paint to always mix with tint. Most ceiling are white. My suggestion to you is quality. Price in paint usually means quality of coverage in paint ie you might get a tin of white for 30 dollars and by-pass the 89 + white. The usual difference is that you will need 3 coats compared to one coat of the more expensive and usually superior paint.

And …. the white base, deep base and extra deepbase in a range will be the same for the same company ime. The company may produce cheaper styles of white base but they will be a stand alone product and often for celiings but as I stated earlier are universal to mix a tint that requires a white base.

The tint variations are particular to a company for deep base and extra deepbase ime and memory. So , if you want to colour match for tint …. then you usually need to use the company’s specific deepbase. At a guess the company protects its range. However the hardware stores have the tint combination provided by their paint suppliers.

So… if you want a specific colour and the bases are deepbase or extra deepbase get more than you need and tape the sample card to the tin. So, you have a reference to colour match.

In this day and age though the colour match machines do most of the work. However , knowing the brand and colour name helps a lot.

And there is a maximum amount of tint that can be added to a base regardless of being white , deep base or extra deepbase. There for if you start with a white base you will note the colour throws to a pastel everytime/

You could not deepen the colour with the tints available as there is a limit to how much tint will blend. In fact you will note the viscosity of the paints is affected visually when you exceed this level.

The paint separates and cannot be used to paint a wall as the colour will not spread across the painted surface equally.

Essentially you will have to throw the tin of paint out.

Also you have to work out how much extra tint you are going to add if you are going to attempt a colour similar to the one you chose initially./

Meaning that have to change the amount added to attempt to be similar and you will need to notate what was added somewhere so that you could replicate the effort in the future for repairs and touch ups if desired.

Too much hassle for most people and if you need to totally repaint an area if this issue arrises. I would suggest you have not achieved an overall saving/

so…Apart from the room in the tin, I’m not seeing any reason why they can’t whack some grey in to tint the base, and then give me the colour I want.

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Two main issues here again. One being you may want to repair and touch up., whacking some grey into a tin is not measurable and therefore problematic later if you need more of the same colour.

And that there is a limit for what you could add to a base colour. The amount of tint required to change a white base is “heaps”.

The grey would throw to a pastel colour and I have no doubt about that.

Trust British Paints? Sure can..

If you have a good eye you can see the small differences if you hand fill the measured tints from the paint formulas ie you manually added the specified amounts of one or more tints for a spec colour. Getting a colour match using a guess and made up colour won’t get you anywhere near the colour you decided upon.

Just because it is interesting…..here is the website for my favourite paint brand. I’ve linked to the history of the company page.

There might be some info about bases in there somewhere, I got sidetracked into the history stuff…

http://www.haymespaint.com.au/haymes/main.php?c=419

I’ve read the replies but I’m not getting the answer I want, or am just not understanding.
what do they put in medium base and what do they put in dark base? is it just some value of grey?
I’m thinking of doing a suck it and see.
(and I’m not talking about the ACTUAL colour that I want it to be when the colour tints have been added.
I wouldn’t mind paying the greater expensive but the cheaper paint was HEAPS better.

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i will give an answer as it applies to printing inks, just very thick paint. the base is usually a almost colourless substance, in the case of ink, linseed oil. to this is added driers, thickeners, reducers, pigment etc. the base was the same no matter what colout the ink was.

in fact transparent white, which you added to coloured ink to change the tint but not the colour, was just the base with no pigment.