Date: 6/04/2013 12:18:36
From: PM 2Ring
ID: 291465
Subject: Duck fathers chicken

From www.express.co.uk

Researchers at the Central Veterinary Research Laboratory in Dubai injected a chicken’s germ cells into the reproductive organs of a male duck embryo, which when the duck matured, began producing the chicken’s sperm, according to reports.

The innovative technique will allow hens to lay the eggs of other birds – from songbirds to eagles – scientists have said.

The ultimate goal is to save endangered species – or even bring back extinct ones, researcher Mike McGrew said.

The team is made up of scientists who created genetically modified chickens that prevent the spread of bird flu and — most notably — Dolly the sheep, the world’s first cloned mammal.

In scenes similar to Jurassic Park, another team of scientists recently inserted the preserved genetic material of an extinct amphibian into the donor eggs of another species of living frog, reviving a species that had been thought gone for good.

While many scientists have argued it would be impossible to bring a species back from the dead, the recent breakthroughs suggests the revival of extinct species is no longer just in the realms of science fiction.

“This is the first time this technique has been achieved for an extinct species,” said one of the project scientists, conservation biologist Michael Mahony.

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:20:10
From: poikilotherm
ID: 291466
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

So, does it have mitochondria from the duck?

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:26:48
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 291467
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

PM 2Ring said:

In scenes similar to Jurassic Park,

stops reading

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:26:53
From: PM 2Ring
ID: 291468
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

poikilotherm said:


So, does it have mitochondria from the duck?

Probably not, since mitochondria aren’t usually inherited from the father, although a few do occasionally sneak through.

OTOH, there is the question of epigenetic modification to the DNA.

But I Am Not A Biologist.

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:29:15
From: PM 2Ring
ID: 291469
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

This duck was merely a surrogate father. Sure it’s interesting, but it’s not really a major advance, IMHO. It’s not like they’ve created a transgenic bird, or some other exotic genetic modification.

But apparently this story is disturbing a lot of people, as they think it’s unnatural for a creature to parent another species.

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:34:02
From: ms spock
ID: 291471
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

PM 2Ring said:


This duck was merely a surrogate father. Sure it’s interesting, but it’s not really a major advance, IMHO. It’s not like they’ve created a transgenic bird, or some other exotic genetic modification.

But apparently this story is disturbing a lot of people, as they think it’s unnatural for a creature to parent another species.

Well it doesn’t happen in nature so it is not natural but quite fascinating and if they could breed up endangered species that could be a real boon.

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:45:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 291475
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

>The innovative technique will allow hens to lay the eggs of other birds – from songbirds to eagles – scientists have said.

That’s handy.

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:50:05
From: buffy
ID: 291476
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

At the risk of being howled down…why?

The planet changes. It shouldn’t be static.

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:51:40
From: Boris
ID: 291477
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

they’re on their way to getting a turducken.

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:52:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 291478
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

>The planet changes. It shouldn’t be static.

Yes, but extinct species being brought back by another species clever enough to do so is all part of the changing tapestry.

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:52:52
From: Bubblecar
ID: 291479
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

>why?

‘Cos it’s interesting.

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:54:20
From: buffy
ID: 291482
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

Nah, move on.

I don’t imagine our species will last forever either, but I suspect we might engineer our own destruction in much the way of any other species that simply breeds up exponentially because the resources are there.

And then they aren’t.

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:54:31
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 291483
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

Boris said:


they’re on their way to getting a turducken.

A Great And Terrible Thing

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:56:58
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 291485
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

buffy said:

At the risk of being howled down…why?

The planet changes. It shouldn’t be static.

There’s the whole de-extinction arugment which has been Flavour Of The Month this month. A series of TED talks and blog pieces for and against.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=de+extinction&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

And with extra references to Jurrasic Park

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:58:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 291487
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

I think the most pertinent question is: is it actually feasible? Would such species be genuinely salvaged genetic history, or just new genetic freaks?

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Date: 6/04/2013 12:58:37
From: buffy
ID: 291488
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

Jurassic Park is fiction. They do know that, don’t they?

(I didn’t know it was Flavour of the Month. I’ve been a bit busy with eyes)

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:03:07
From: Boris
ID: 291490
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

The ultimate goal is to save endangered species – or even bring back extinct ones, researcher Mike McGrew said.

that’s limiting your “ultimate goal” somewhat. who knows where this research could lead.

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:05:33
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 291491
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

PM 2Ring said:


This duck was merely a surrogate father.

It’s a xenotransplant. Has the duck actually fathered a chicken or has the duck embryo matured into a adult duck which shoots chicken sperm cells?

For it to father a chicken, it actually has to shoot those sperm cells somewhere – inside a female chicken, I would assume since ducks are shockers for shagging anything dead or alive, but a realistic scenario is that they may have taken the sperm and fertilised a chicken ovum ex situ in vitro.

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:07:34
From: Bubblecar
ID: 291492
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

Boris said:


The ultimate goal is to save endangered species – or even bring back extinct ones, researcher Mike McGrew said.

that’s limiting your “ultimate goal” somewhat. who knows where this research could lead.

Yes, exploring the nuts and bolts of life in this way ought to be regarded as an intellectual responsibility, with very open-ended potential.

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:08:06
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 291493
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

Bubblecar said:


I think the most pertinent question is: is it actually feasible? Would such species be genuinely salvaged genetic history, or just new genetic freaks?

depends on how degraded the DNA is. Ancient DNA is truely fnerkerated (which is why Jurassic Park is such bunk), whereas recently stored material (i.e. the gastric brooding frog) was far more intact.

And that’s just the start of who cascade of troublesome stages of resurrecting individuals and establishing a self-sustaining wild population of an extinct species……

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:08:54
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 291494
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

Boris said:

that’s limiting your “ultimate goal” somewhat. who knows where this research could lead.

Turducken Park

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:10:18
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 291495
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/03/20/next-the-turducken-scientists-successfully-breed-a-duck-inside-a-chicken/

dammit – we were FIRST with the Turducken reference!

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:12:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 291499
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

neomyrtus_ said:


Boris said:

that’s limiting your “ultimate goal” somewhat. who knows where this research could lead.

Turducken Park

The gastronomic side of it could quickly become interesting. Hens being able to lay very tasty but usually very rare eggs, en masse, would certainly add variety to the supermarket.

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:20:46
From: ms spock
ID: 291505
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

neomyrtus_ said:

And that’s just the start of who cascade of troublesome stages of resurrecting individuals and establishing a self-sustaining wild population of an extinct species……

And if there is no habitat left. Is there a point to it?

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:22:00
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 291508
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

ms spock said:

And if there is no habitat left. Is there a point to it?

that’s one of those troublesome stages…

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:22:59
From: Bubblecar
ID: 291510
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

>And if there is no habitat left. Is there a point to it?

Novelty value.

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:23:23
From: ms spock
ID: 291512
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

neomyrtus_ said:


ms spock said:

And if there is no habitat left. Is there a point to it?

that’s one of those troublesome stages…

It is indeed.

As well as some of the knowledge that a species passes to its offspring which can’t be replicated by another species as parents.

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Date: 6/04/2013 13:27:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 291514
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

There’d certainly be no point actually “re-introducing” extinct species into a world that can no longer support them. But resurrecting a few individuals who could be well looked after and studied etc would be great, if actually do-able.

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Date: 6/04/2013 14:07:26
From: kii
ID: 291558
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

Boris said:


they’re on their way to getting a turducken.

That was my second thought. My first thought was this was “Duck, duck, goose”.

Lastly I adjusted my glasses and it looked like – Duck feathers chicken.

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Date: 6/04/2013 14:10:15
From: Boris
ID: 291561
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

that was my first reading too kii.

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Date: 6/04/2013 14:45:26
From: PM 2Ring
ID: 291568
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

neomyrtus_ said:


PM 2Ring said:

This duck was merely a surrogate father.

It’s a xenotransplant. Has the duck actually fathered a chicken or has the duck embryo matured into a adult duck which shoots chicken sperm cells?

For it to father a chicken, it actually has to shoot those sperm cells somewhere – inside a female chicken, I would assume since ducks are shockers for shagging anything dead or alive, but a realistic scenario is that they may have taken the sperm and fertilised a chicken ovum ex situ in vitro.

I’ve looked for a proper scientific article to get more details, but I’m not having much luck. I assume they implanted chicken type A spermatogonia into the duck embryo, and removed the duck’s own spermatogonia.

As for the actual fertilization, they may have used artificial fertilisation or at least artificial insemination, but my guess is that they went the traditional route, for maximum PR effect. And as you say, it wouldn’t be hard to get the duck to shag a chook.

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Date: 6/04/2013 23:07:54
From: Skunkworks
ID: 291791
Subject: re: Duck fathers chicken

PM 2Ring said:

And as you say, it wouldn’t be hard to get the duck to shag a chook.

shakes fist at goddamn rapist mallards.

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