What is involved with physically connecting a premises to the NBN under the governments plan?
Do they stick a box on the outside wall next to the electricity meter box, and leave any other wiring (cabling?) up to the home owner? Do they need access inside your house? Will they drill holes through walls, run cable in the ceiling space or what?
Presume it would be much like having a phone installed. Something similar to a cable TV box outside, then something running to your modem thingy.
esselte said:
What is involved with physically connecting a premises to the NBN under the governments plan?
Do they stick a box on the outside wall next to the electricity meter box, and leave any other wiring (cabling?) up to the home owner? Do they need access inside your house? Will they drill holes through walls, run cable in the ceiling space or what?
I thought the fibre termination box went into the roof space, although i could be wrong..
it’s your responsibility to cable from the termination box out..
Oh, also, will they dig a trench through my front yard?
Dropbear said:
esselte said:What is involved with physically connecting a premises to the NBN under the governments plan?
Do they stick a box on the outside wall next to the electricity meter box, and leave any other wiring (cabling?) up to the home owner? Do they need access inside your house? Will they drill holes through walls, run cable in the ceiling space or what?
I thought the fibre termination box went into the roof space, although i could be wrong..
it’s your responsibility to cable from the termination box out..
>they supply the termination box, modem and UPS
Very poor excuse for a UPS. They supply a battery :)
The system operates off DC.
sibeen said:
>they supply the termination box, modem and UPSVery poor excuse for a UPS. They supply a battery :)
The system operates off DC.
jjjust moi said:
sibeen said:
>they supply the termination box, modem and UPSVery poor excuse for a UPS. They supply a battery :)
The system operates off DC.
As the current system (pun intended)
Yep, but it is never referred to as a UPS :)
What does UPS stand for?
jjjust moi said:
The way it was explained to me at a forum, they supply the termination box, modem and UPS, all free and ready to plugin. You have to sign up with an IP then they order the work.
So specifically, without me doing anything I will end up with a termination box attached to an outside wall, and a modem and UPS sitting in boxes by the front door?
I then contact a service provider who will connect the modem to the termination box? Do I pay for this?
Will NBNCo connect from the street to the termination box, or will the service provider do that?
Under the Liberal scheme, could I still pay the service provider to run cable from the street to my house, supply a termination box and then connect the modem as per the government scheme?
As someone awaiting connection I am more interested in what Malcolm T will provide, given that is the most likely outcome by the end of this year.
I live rurally about 10 k from the nearest town.
>Under the Liberal scheme, could I still pay the service provider to run cable from the street to my house, supply a termination box and then connect the modem as per the government scheme?
Yes. Under the proposed scheme it will be fibre to the node. If you wish fibre all the way to your house you can pay for the extra run.
Witty, UPS = uniterruptible power supply. It is a term used in the AC market, and is ‘never’ used in DC.
what are you on now tauto and what is available to you?
tauto said:
As someone awaiting connection I am more interested in what Malcolm T will provide, given that is the most likely outcome by the end of this year.I live rurally about 10 k from the nearest town.
tauto, I very much doubt that you would have got fibre under the Labor scheme.
esselte said:
jjjust moi said:
The way it was explained to me at a forum, they supply the termination box, modem and UPS, all free and ready to plugin. You have to sign up with an IP then they order the work.
So specifically, without me doing anything I will end up with a termination box attached to an outside wall, and a modem and UPS sitting in boxes by the front door?
I then contact a service provider who will connect the modem to the termination box? Do I pay for this?
Will NBNCo connect from the street to the termination box, or will the service provider do that?
Under the Liberal scheme, could I still pay the service provider to run cable from the street to my house, supply a termination box and then connect the modem as per the government scheme?
Now after that I suspect it will be subject to the usual vagaries of setting up your connection.
What Mr Rabbit and co are saying is that anyone can have FTTP but at a cost.
tauto said:
As someone awaiting connection I am more interested in what Malcolm T will provide, given that is the most likely outcome by the end of this year.I live rurally about 10 k from the nearest town.
Sheesh, and I just threw out the guff that Tel$tra sent to my dead Mum about imminent connection of NBN to the house in Toowoomba that we had already told Tel$tra had been sold and had nothing to do with any of us any more. That had a lot of info in it, and now it is sitting in the recycling bin on the footpath waiting for the morning pick up.
Under the liberal scheme, can I purchase the cable myself, run it through the ceiling space and wall cavities from where I want the terminanation box and modem situated, dig up my front yard and run it from the front of my property to the termination box, then get the provider in just to do the final connections – with an eye to saving dollars?
All the information about connection is available on the NBN website.
tauto said:
As someone awaiting connection I am more interested in what Malcolm T will provide, given that is the most likely outcome by the end of this year.
How much can one government commit to future govts? Is there a limit? There are subs and other projects that get stretched out over multiple terms. Or situations like Gonski were a fed govt can commit but not without states getting on board. Seems dodgy, promising stuff for other people to pay for without first getting an agreement they are willing to pay.
esselte said:
Under the liberal scheme, can I purchase the cable myself, run it through the ceiling space and wall cavities from where I want the terminanation box and modem situated, dig up my front yard and run it from the front of my property to the termination box, then get the provider in just to do the final connections – with an eye to saving dollars?
Yes, yes you could. Of course you wouldn’t save anything. Dig up the street and footpath – err, the amount of paperwork alone would see you behind.
Boris said:
what are you on now tauto and what is available to you?
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Huh? Like anyone not on the NBN I am on the old network …aapt
I have no idea when the NBN will be connected to our area (Ballina NSW).
I am wondering what will happen when the government changes with their system
Now after that I suspect it will be subject to the usual vagaries of setting up your connection.
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Plus cutting off your home phone…
“This may or may not be an urban myth.”
>Huh? Like anyone not on the NBN I am on the old network …aapt
So, just like 99.5% of Australians then :)
sibeen said:
esselte said:Under the liberal scheme, can I purchase the cable myself, run it through the ceiling space and wall cavities from where I want the terminanation box and modem situated, dig up my front yard and run it from the front of my property to the termination box, then get the provider in just to do the final connections – with an eye to saving dollars?
Yes, yes you could. Of course you wouldn’t save anything. Dig up the street and footpath – err, the amount of paperwork alone would see you behind.
Like I said, just to the front of my property. The installer can do the street and footpath stuff.
sibeen said:
>Huh? Like anyone not on the NBN I am on the old network …aaptSo, just like 99.5% of Australians then :)
I think the expression is 99.5% of modern families.
esselte said:
Under the liberal scheme, can I purchase the cable myself, run it through the ceiling space and wall cavities from where I want the terminanation box and modem situated, dig up my front yard and run it from the front of my property to the termination box, then get the provider in just to do the final connections – with an eye to saving dollars?
Who knows? During the announcement, Rabbit clearly had NFI about what he was trying to tell us, and TheBull looked like he was somewhere more pleasant, like shovelling shit.
sibeen said:
tauto said:
As someone awaiting connection I am more interested in what Malcolm T will provide, given that is the most likely outcome by the end of this year.I live rurally about 10 k from the nearest town.
tauto, I very much doubt that you would have got fibre under the Labor scheme.
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We live in a developing area (Ballina NSW) and are on town water,
What’s more we have Telstra cables going through our back paddocks.(Yellow marked posts on the fence line)
Yet our telephone line comes from the road
I thought rabbit said that the fibre will go as far as the local exchange, then via existing copper to the home. So how far do you live from your local exchange?
>What’s more we have Telstra cables going through our back paddocks.(Yellow marked posts on the fence line)
That will be a major trunk fibre.
what i meant tauto is what is your connection? adsl? wireless etc? and do you have a choice, ie you can get either wireless or wire to your address.
my place is either wireless, satellite, or dial-up. i use wireless. 7km from town and 5km from exchange over dodgy country copper.
Geoff D said:
I thought rabbit said that the fibre will go as far as the local exchange, then via existing copper to the home. So how far do you live from your local exchange?
In many, many cases it won’t be a local exchange, but a local node. These are roadside cabinets, and not exchange building that most people would be used to seeing.
Like I said, just to the front of my property. The installer can do the street and footpath stuff.
You wouldn’t have to dig up anything, assuning you already have copper to your house.
What you would have to pay for is the fibre to the node from your house and the associated hardware……………..forget it.
chuckle
From Tel$tra website
Chermside QLD 4032
Not currently available
The NBN is coming to your place; however construction hasn’t commenced in your area as yet.
sibeen said:
>What’s more we have Telstra cables going through our back paddocks.(Yellow marked posts on the fence line)That will be a major trunk fibre.
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Interesting.
They have been there for 16+ years, were they forward planning?
sibeen said:
Geoff D said:
I thought rabbit said that the fibre will go as far as the local exchange, then via existing copper to the home. So how far do you live from your local exchange?
In many, many cases it won’t be a local exchange, but a local node. These are roadside cabinets, and not exchange building that most people would be used to seeing.
You mean, the rat’s nest in a buried box down the corner that fills with water every time we have decent rain and screws with our copper network? Or the tin box further way?
Geoff D said:
chuckle
From Tel$tra website
Chermside QLD 4032
Not currently available
The NBN is coming to your place; however construction hasn’t commenced in your area as yet.
The NBN website has a map showing when the fibre will be coming to your place. It is only mapped out to three years, so the vast majority of the country have no idea when it is slated for their area.
tauto said:
sibeen said:
>What’s more we have Telstra cables going through our back paddocks.(Yellow marked posts on the fence line)That will be a major trunk fibre.
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Interesting.
They have been there for 16+ years, were they forward planning?
Those are the telephone etc. cables that you get into big shit with if you ut a backhoe through one.
Geoff D said:
I thought rabbit said that the fibre will go as far as the local exchange, then via existing copper to the home. So how far do you live from your local exchange?
Oh, OK. So the libs won’t be running cable up my street.
“To the node”, I didn’t understand rightly what that meant.
With the labor scheme, would doing the cabling inside my house myself save me any money? And again, is t NBNCo that runs cable to my termination box, or the ISP that I engage?
tauto said:
sibeen said:
>What’s more we have Telstra cables going through our back paddocks.(Yellow marked posts on the fence line)That will be a major trunk fibre.
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Interesting.
They have been there for 16+ years, were they forward planning?
No, no forward planning. Telstra and Optus have major fibre trunks all around this country. Fibre is not new. Been used for years.all exchanges are currently interconnected by fibre
Geoff D said:
tauto said:
sibeen said:
>What’s more we have Telstra cables going through our back paddocks.(Yellow marked posts on the fence line)That will be a major trunk fibre.
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Interesting.
They have been there for 16+ years, were they forward planning?
Those are the telephone etc. cables that you get into big shit with if you ut a backhoe through one.
esselte said:
Geoff D said:
I thought rabbit said that the fibre will go as far as the local exchange, then via existing copper to the home. So how far do you live from your local exchange?
Oh, OK. So the libs won’t be running cable up my street.
“To the node”, I didn’t understand rightly what that meant.
With the labor scheme, would doing the cabling inside my house myself save me any money? And again, is t NBNCo that runs cable to my termination box, or the ISP that I engage?
No, they will provide a connection to the house and a point in. Any additional cabling within the premises is at your cost and you need to arrange your own installer.
Boris said:
what i meant tauto is what is your connection? adsl? wireless etc? and do you have a choice, ie you can get either wireless or wire to your address.my place is either wireless, satellite, or dial-up. i use wireless. 7km from town and 5km from exchange over dodgy country copper.
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adsl
esselte said:
Geoff D said:
I thought rabbit said that the fibre will go as far as the local exchange, then via existing copper to the home. So how far do you live from your local exchange?
Oh, OK. So the libs won’t be running cable up my street.
“To the node”, I didn’t understand rightly what that meant.
With the labor scheme, would doing the cabling inside my house myself save me any money? And again, is t NBNCo that runs cable to my termination box, or the ISP that I engage?
“Bridgeman Downs, Chermside, Chermside West, Everton Hills, Kedron, Mcdowall, Stafford Heights
Fibre | Construction to commence within three years – we will commence construction from Sep 2014 in phases with last construction scheduled to commence in Jun 2015*.”
Yet yobbo parts of Zillmere already have it. Plonkers.
Geoff D said:
chuckle
From Tel$tra website
Chermside QLD 4032
Not currently available
The NBN is coming to your place; however construction hasn’t commenced in your area as yet.
Double chuckle.
2 months ago, according to the rollout map I was due to be ready for NBN in October this year. I just checked it again tonight and somehow, miraculously my house has been picked up and moved to a neighboring suburb which I don’t actually live in and which is due for construction to start some time in the next three years.
Geoff D said:
I thought rabbit said that the fibre will go as far as the local exchange, then via existing copper to the home. So how far do you live from your local exchange?
That’s what happens now.
Turnbull’s plan is to build a whole load of metal cabinets (effectively mini-exchanges) out in the streets. These will be connected to the exchange by optic fibre, and the copper line from your house will connect to the cabinet. The cabinet is called a node. It solves the problem of needing to be near the exchange to get decent internet speed to needing to be only near a node.
Sheesh – even frickin’ Nudgee Beach will be getting NBN soon. Plicks.
sibeen said:
esselte said:
Geoff D said:
I thought rabbit said that the fibre will go as far as the local exchange, then via existing copper to the home. So how far do you live from your local exchange?
Oh, OK. So the libs won’t be running cable up my street.
“To the node”, I didn’t understand rightly what that meant.
With the labor scheme, would doing the cabling inside my house myself save me any money? And again, is t NBNCo that runs cable to my termination box, or the ISP that I engage?
No, they will provide a connection to the house and a point in. Any additional cabling within the premises is at your cost and you need to arrange your own installer.
So I can’t run the cabling within the premises and get the nstaller in only to do the final connections? Why not?
Geoff D said:
“Bridgeman Downs, Chermside, Chermside West, Everton Hills, Kedron, Mcdowall, Stafford HeightsFibre | Construction to commence within three years – we will commence construction from Sep 2014 in phases with last construction scheduled to commence in Jun 2015*.”
Yet yobbo parts of Zillmere already have it. Plonkers.
Yer, there is no politics in the way the NBN has been allocated sarcasm
The thriving township of Scottsdale, in Tasmania, was one of the first to be connected to the NBN. Realistically, there may have been a maximum of two people in Scottsdale who actually had any need for a high speed connection.
FAQ from the NBN website
http://www.nbnco.com.au/get-an-nbn-connection/home-and-business/connecting-fibre/connection-faqs.html#benefit
esselte said:
sibeen said:
esselte said:Oh, OK. So the libs won’t be running cable up my street.
“To the node”, I didn’t understand rightly what that meant.
With the labor scheme, would doing the cabling inside my house myself save me any money? And again, is t NBNCo that runs cable to my termination box, or the ISP that I engage?
No, they will provide a connection to the house and a point in. Any additional cabling within the premises is at your cost and you need to arrange your own installer.
So I can’t run the cabling within the premises and get the nstaller in only to do the final connections? Why not?
Because it hasn’t been set up that way, and would certainly blow out the costs to a eye watering level.
esselte said:
… my house has been picked up and moved to a neighboring suburb which I don’t actually live in and which is due for construction to start some time in the next three years.
You’re doing well.
Our house is in the ‘it’s coming, really-truly – construction will start at around half-past hell freezing over. Just don’t hold your breath’ zone.
sibeen said:
Geoff D said:
“Bridgeman Downs, Chermside, Chermside West, Everton Hills, Kedron, Mcdowall, Stafford HeightsFibre | Construction to commence within three years – we will commence construction from Sep 2014 in phases with last construction scheduled to commence in Jun 2015*.”
Yet yobbo parts of Zillmere already have it. Plonkers.
Yer, there is no politics in the way the NBN has been allocated sarcasm
The thriving township of Scottsdale, in Tasmania, was one of the first to be connected to the NBN. Realistically, there may have been a maximum of two people in Scottsdale who actually had any need for a high speed connection.
Yet our zone contains on huge shopping complex, two major hospitals including a big cardiac unit, and several big high schools. Plus, a goodly part of it is in the Deputy Prime Minister’s seat. So politics really doesn’t influence the roll out.
I live in inner city Melbourne, where you’d expect there to be a high usage take-up and requirement. We’re slated to receive it at ‘until the end of never’, and that’s a long, long time :)
Geoff D said:
Yet our zone contains on huge shopping complex, two major hospitals including a big cardiac unit, and several big high schools. Plus, a goodly part of it is in the Deputy Prime Minister’s seat. So politics really doesn’t influence the roll out.
Lucky you. Where I live we’ll get SFA any time soon. I live in a Labor pocket (safe State Labor seat) inside a Liberal held Federal seat.
party_pants said:
Geoff D said:Yet our zone contains on huge shopping complex, two major hospitals including a big cardiac unit, and several big high schools. Plus, a goodly part of it is in the Deputy Prime Minister’s seat. So politics really doesn’t influence the roll out.
Lucky you. Where I live we’ll get SFA any time soon. I live in a Labor pocket (safe State Labor seat) inside a Liberal held Federal seat.
I’ve checked – not even Queensland’s biggest hospital will be getting NBN in the near future. So much for the eHealth bullshit.
sibeen said:
tauto said:
sibeen said:
>What’s more we have Telstra cables going through our back paddocks.(Yellow marked posts on the fence line)That will be a major trunk fibre.
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Interesting.
They have been there for 16+ years, were they forward planning?
No, no forward planning. Telstra and Optus have major fibre trunks all around this country. Fibre is not new. Been used for years.all exchanges are currently interconnected by fibre
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Ah, so they won’t be connecting to my house with the cables in the paddock.
Instead they will….?
This is getting confusing. :)
sibeen said:
I live in inner city Melbourne, where you’d expect there to be a high usage take-up and requirement. We’re slated to receive it at ‘until the end of never’, and that’s a long, long time :)
Ooops, I’m being unkind to the NBN, it should have been: until the twelth of never’, and that’s a long, long time :)
Geoff D said:
…a goodly part of it is in the Deputy Prime Minister’s seat. So politics really doesn’t influence the roll out.
Of course it does. Safe Labor seat. Your voters won’t really depose their Deputy PM local member in September, just in case the ALP pulls it out of the fire. So, the govt doesn’t care about your area.
Ours is the second-safest LNP seat in QLD. Neither Qld or Fed govts give a hoot about it, for that very reason.
Geoff D said:
party_pants said:
Geoff D said:Yet our zone contains on huge shopping complex, two major hospitals including a big cardiac unit, and several big high schools. Plus, a goodly part of it is in the Deputy Prime Minister’s seat. So politics really doesn’t influence the roll out.
Lucky you. Where I live we’ll get SFA any time soon. I live in a Labor pocket (safe State Labor seat) inside a Liberal held Federal seat.
I’ve checked – not even Queensland’s biggest hospital will be getting NBN in the near future. So much for the eHealth bullshit.
Geoff, a major hospital will already have a fibre connection. Which was so annoying about some of the crap spouted today by certain politicians.
not even Queensland’s biggest hospital will be getting NBN in the near future. So much for the eHealth bullshit.
surely they would have fibre anyway just not through the nbn yet.
Boris said:
not even Queensland’s biggest hospital will be getting NBN in the near future. So much for the eHealth bullshit.surely they would have fibre anyway just not through the nbn yet.
Yeah, probably. You’d want to think so.
Geoff D said:
party_pants said:
Geoff D said:Yet our zone contains on huge shopping complex, two major hospitals including a big cardiac unit, and several big high schools. Plus, a goodly part of it is in the Deputy Prime Minister’s seat. So politics really doesn’t influence the roll out.
Lucky you. Where I live we’ll get SFA any time soon. I live in a Labor pocket (safe State Labor seat) inside a Liberal held Federal seat.
I’ve checked – not even Queensland’s biggest hospital will be getting NBN in the near future. So much for the eHealth bullshit.
Nobody can actually think of a real use for it right now, I expect the entertainment industry to be the quickest on the uptake, subscription services to access a huge database of movie, documentary, music etc on demand. Expect the demise of PayTV pretty soon after.
It’s probably overkill for today’s needs, but Rudd had a similar plan in 2008 to what Turnbull was proposing which got sunk by Telstra. The NBN plan gets around Telstra, plus it probably works out cheaper in the long run – over 10-20 years.
Now I’m even more confused. I zoomed out on that NBNCo map, and the shading appeared. However, most of Brisbane is still unshaded, and there’s nothing in the legend that says what that actually means. Is that the twelfth of never stuff?
sibeen said:
esselte said:
sibeen said:No, they will provide a connection to the house and a point in. Any additional cabling within the premises is at your cost and you need to arrange your own installer.
So I can’t run the cabling within the premises and get the nstaller in only to do the final connections? Why not?
Because it hasn’t been set up that way, and would certainly blow out the costs to a eye watering level.
I don’t quite understand.
Can my Liberal connection go fibre-to-node, copper-to-house, fibre-to-study, fibre to Xbox, fibre to wireless modem or not? I understand that the speed would be limited by the copper. Currently my wireless modem situated in the family room covers that room and the lounge, but looses the signal in the study, bedrooms and toilets. I want to know if I can situate a wireless modem to cover bedrooms, family room and toilet (iPad areas) and also set up a hard wired connection to the Xbox (just because) and a hard wired connection to the PC in the study. I don’t see any point running copper lines in my house which will eventually have to be replaced, so I want to run fibre cables myself, then get the ISP just to do any final connecting to modem, termination box and wall mounted sockets.
It is possible that I’m entirely confused about how this whole thing is supposed to work:)
esselte said:
It is possible that I’m entirely confused about how this whole thing is supposed to work:)
Sounds a bit that way.
Geoff D said:
Now I’m even more confused. I zoomed out on that NBNCo map, and the shading appeared. However, most of Brisbane is still unshaded, and there’s nothing in the legend that says what that actually means. Is that the twelfth of never stuff?
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Well given the political climate I guess there are a lot of grey areas being shaded in. ;
Loses
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Geoff D said:
Now I’m even more confused. I zoomed out on that NBNCo map, and the shading appeared. However, most of Brisbane is still unshaded, and there’s nothing in the legend that says what that actually means. Is that the twelfth of never stuff?
Yep, the twelfth of never. They only project three years out.
you’ll get a terminal inside the house somewhere. much like the telephone landline socket you have. this terminal will connect to the network by whatever way is cost effective for you’re installation. you’ll connect whatever you like to your side of the terminal.
esselte said:
I don’t quite understand.
Can my Liberal connection go fibre-to-node, copper-to-house, fibre-to-study, fibre to Xbox, fibre to wireless modem or not? I understand that the speed would be limited by the copper. Currently my wireless modem situated in the family room covers that room and the lounge, but looses the signal in the study, bedrooms and toilets. I want to know if I can situate a wireless modem to cover bedrooms, family room and toilet (iPad areas) and also set up a hard wired connection to the Xbox (just because) and a hard wired connection to the PC in the study. I don’t see any point running copper lines in my house which will eventually have to be replaced, so I want to run fibre cables myself, then get the ISP just to do any final connecting to modem, termination box and wall mounted sockets.
It is possible that I’m entirely confused about how this whole thing is supposed to work:)
Stop at copper to house. You’ll get a new-fangled modem/router to plug into your existing phone socket. After that it’s up to you what you plug into your modem.
Geoff D said:
Now I’m even more confused. I zoomed out on that NBNCo map, and the shading appeared. However, most of Brisbane is still unshaded, and there’s nothing in the legend that says what that actually means. Is that the twelfth of never stuff?
But why the fuck would you want to run fibre in a backwater like Brisbane, when the thriving townships of Scottsdale and Deloraine, both in Tassie, have a much greater requirement?
Geoff D said:
esselte said:It is possible that I’m entirely confused about how this whole thing is supposed to work:)
Sounds a bit that way.
:)
Which is why I’m asking for specifics in this thread… Like really specific.
Where will cables run (ceiling space?), does my front garden have to be dug up, how many holes will be drilled in walls etc.
In the OP, I’m really asking for a detailed step-by-step description of what will happen and who will make it happen.
When you think about it, some of the unshaded areas are well served by existing fibre optic systems – Bigpond cable, Optus etc.
esselte said:
Geoff D said:
esselte said:It is possible that I’m entirely confused about how this whole thing is supposed to work:)
Sounds a bit that way.
:)
Which is why I’m asking for specifics in this thread… Like really specific.
Where will cables run (ceiling space?), does my front garden have to be dug up, how many holes will be drilled in walls etc.
In the OP, I’m really asking for a detailed step-by-step description of what will happen and who will make it happen.
They will put a box and battery on an external wall of your house. They will drill a hole through the wall and give you an internal connection point. After that, you.
Boris said:
you’ll get a terminal inside the house somewhere. much like the telephone landline socket you have. this terminal will connect to the network by whatever way is cost effective for you’re installation. you’ll connect whatever you like to your side of the terminal.
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Yeah but, who will pay for what?
Will I pay more for connection under the current NBN or will the Turnbull plan cost even more?
They will drill a hole through the wall and give you an internal connection point.
with a camera i believe.
tauto said:
Boris said:
you’ll get a terminal inside the house somewhere. much like the telephone landline socket you have. this terminal will connect to the network by whatever way is cost effective for you’re installation. you’ll connect whatever you like to your side of the terminal.
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Yeah but, who will pay for what?
Will I pay more for connection under the current NBN or will the Turnbull plan cost even more?
You will pay the same under both schemes – nada.
My guess is that Mr Rabbit’s plan will involve changing your existing copper over from its current junction box to a spot at the node. Also gussing that the current NBN plan brings the fibre up your existing conduit from the box out on the footpath. The way your phone etc comes in now.
tauto said:
Yeah but, who will pay for what?
Will I pay more for connection under the current NBN or will the Turnbull plan cost even more?
You wont pay for a standard connection under either plan.
However, if you want to upgrade your Turnbull copper connection to a fibre connection you will need to pay that yourself ~ $2000-4000.
sibeen said:
tauto said:
Boris said:
you’ll get a terminal inside the house somewhere. much like the telephone landline socket you have. this terminal will connect to the network by whatever way is cost effective for you’re installation. you’ll connect whatever you like to your side of the terminal.
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Yeah but, who will pay for what?
Will I pay more for connection under the current NBN or will the Turnbull plan cost even more?
You will pay the same under both schemes – nada.
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puts to file
Boris said:
you’ll get a terminal inside the house somewhere. much like the telephone landline socket you have. this terminal will connect to the network by whatever way is cost effective for you’re installation. you’ll connect whatever you like to your side of the terminal.
Well this seems to conflict with what others are saying. NBNCo will provide a termination box outside the house under the labor plan, but not under liberal. Labor may or may not connect that box to the network (again, I’m under the impression the answered given are conflicting here), I will be responsible for connecting that termination box to the modem (you are saying not?)
appologies for the you’re in my last post.
esselte said:
Boris said:
you’ll get a terminal inside the house somewhere. much like the telephone landline socket you have. this terminal will connect to the network by whatever way is cost effective for you’re installation. you’ll connect whatever you like to your side of the terminal.
Well this seems to conflict with what others are saying. NBNCo will provide a termination box outside the house under the labor plan, but not under liberal. Labor may or may not connect that box to the network (again, I’m under the impression the answered given are conflicting here), I will be responsible for connecting that termination box to the modem (you are saying not?)
esselte said:
What is involved with physically connecting a premises to the NBN under the governments plan?
Do they stick a box on the outside wall next to the electricity meter box, and leave any other wiring (cabling?) up to the home owner? Do they need access inside your house? Will they drill holes through walls, run cable in the ceiling space or what?
esselte – it’s all explained here.- with diagrams and all
http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/documents/preparing-for-the-nbn.pdf
Boris said:
appologies for the you’re in my last post.
I wasn’t going to say anything, but now you mention it…
What to expect
If your building doesn’t already have a fibre-optic cable connected, running the cable in may
require the digging of a small trench, or, if it’s coming from overhead, some minor clearing of
vegetation. We’ll try to keep disturbance to a minimum.
From that .pdf. So they will need to dig across your lawn
Boris said:
appologies for the you’re in my last post.
What about an apology for “appologies”
The NBN will be connected to the Modem after that it’s your problem. Just the same as today with copper.
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Oh crap… back to complaining to Telstra about problems their end when all you get is
it is a problem at your end.
jjjust moi said:
esselte said:
Boris said:
you’ll get a terminal inside the house somewhere. much like the telephone landline socket you have. this terminal will connect to the network by whatever way is cost effective for you’re installation. you’ll connect whatever you like to your side of the terminal.
Well this seems to conflict with what others are saying. NBNCo will provide a termination box outside the house under the labor plan, but not under liberal. Labor may or may not connect that box to the network (again, I’m under the impression the answered given are conflicting here), I will be responsible for connecting that termination box to the modem (you are saying not?)
The NBN will be connected to the Modem after that it’s your problem. Just the same as today with copper.
So they will likely install the termination box somewhere randomly near the front of the house, drill a hole through the wall and poke a wire through.
Then from following posts, they will come inside and connect the modem to that wire. What if I want the modem located towards the back of the house?
morrie said:
esselte said:What is involved with physically connecting a premises to the NBN under the governments plan?
Do they stick a box on the outside wall next to the electricity meter box, and leave any other wiring (cabling?) up to the home owner? Do they need access inside your house? Will they drill holes through walls, run cable in the ceiling space or what?
In my case, they mounted a satellite dish on the roof, ran cable into the house to a coax box on the wall and installed a modem with an ethernet cable. Then they took a photograph of the installation.
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Yeah but you’re special. :p
What if I want the modem located towards the back of the house?
they’ll probably ask you where you want it.
esselte said:
So they will likely install the termination box somewhere randomly near the front of the house, drill a hole through the wall and poke a wire through.
Then from following posts, they will come inside and connect the modem to that wire. What if I want the modem located towards the back of the house?
Read the linked .pdf file. It’s all set out there. It’s not random. You tell them where you want stuff put.
tauto said:
morrie said:
esselte said:What is involved with physically connecting a premises to the NBN under the governments plan?
Do they stick a box on the outside wall next to the electricity meter box, and leave any other wiring (cabling?) up to the home owner? Do they need access inside your house? Will they drill holes through walls, run cable in the ceiling space or what?
In my case, they mounted a satellite dish on the roof, ran cable into the house to a coax box on the wall and installed a modem with an ethernet cable. Then they took a photograph of the installation.——
Yeah but you’re special. :p
One thing that doesn’t seem to be discussed in any of the information I’ve seen is what happens if my house is already wired with fibre – that is, I’ve got a fibre distribution unit inside my house that’s connected to an ADSL2+ modem through a CAT6 cable; can I connect the fibre from the NBN to my fibre network, getting rid of the present copper bottleneck?
morrie said:
tauto said:
morrie said:In my case, they mounted a satellite dish on the roof, ran cable into the house to a coax box on the wall and installed a modem with an ethernet cable. Then they took a photograph of the installation.
——
Yeah but you’re special. :p
True, but apart from the satellite dish it sound much like what everyone will get.
After the lection, that’s very true :)
Geoff D said:
esselte said:So they will likely install the termination box somewhere randomly near the front of the house, drill a hole through the wall and poke a wire through.
Then from following posts, they will come inside and connect the modem to that wire. What if I want the modem located towards the back of the house?
Read the linked .pdf file. It’s all set out there. It’s not random. You tell them where you want stuff put.
Ok, thanks Geoff. It’s a major pain for me to follow links like that, as the copy-paste function on this iPad works at Glowormesque level, but I’ll go type it in now and have a read.
Cheers.
Wocky said:
One thing that doesn’t seem to be discussed in any of the information I’ve seen is what happens if my house is already wired with fibre – that is, I’ve got a fibre distribution unit inside my house that’s connected to an ADSL2+ modem through a CAT6 cable; can I connect the fibre from the NBN to my fibre network, getting rid of the present copper bottleneck?
Read the linked .pdf. That sort of stuff is covered. There’s a whole section on existing fibre optic connections.
Geoff D said:
Wocky said:One thing that doesn’t seem to be discussed in any of the information I’ve seen is what happens if my house is already wired with fibre – that is, I’ve got a fibre distribution unit inside my house that’s connected to an ADSL2+ modem through a CAT6 cable; can I connect the fibre from the NBN to my fibre network, getting rid of the present copper bottleneck?
Read the linked .pdf. That sort of stuff is covered. There’s a whole section on existing fibre optic connections.
Jaysus, Geoff, if people go and read this document, WTF will we have to argue over?
:)
Geoff D said:
Read the linked .pdf. That sort of stuff is covered. There’s a whole section on existing fibre optic connections.
I did read that pdf, but must have missed that part. All I found was how to connect it to a CAT5/6 cable. Thanks, Geoff.
Wocky said:
Geoff D said:Read the linked .pdf. That sort of stuff is covered. There’s a whole section on existing fibre optic connections.
I did read that pdf, but must have missed that part. All I found was how to connect it to a CAT5/6 cable. Thanks, Geoff.
Well, I must admit I didn’t delve too far into that bit. Mainly because I had NFI what they were talking about anyway.
WTF will we have to argue over?
i’m sure we’ll find something.
sibeen said:
Jaysus, Geoff, if people go and read this document, WTF will we have to argue over?
:)
I guess we can argue over whether the official website is truthful or propaganda
:)
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Jaysus, Geoff, if people go and read this document, WTF will we have to argue over?
:)
I guess we can argue over whether the official website is truthful or propaganda
:)
I place it somewhere up near “fanciful”.
Boris said:
WTF will we have to argue over?i’m sure we’ll find something.
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FMD, could Boris get more erudite?
esselte said:
It’s a major pain for me to follow links like that, as the copy-paste function on this iPad works at Glowormesque level, but I’ll go type it in now and have a read.Cheers.
All the fanbois tell me these iHad things are the duck’s nuts, yet C&P is a problem? Sheesh.
;-P
Geoff D said:
Wocky said:
Geoff D said:Read the linked .pdf. That sort of stuff is covered. There’s a whole section on existing fibre optic connections.
I did read that pdf, but must have missed that part. All I found was how to connect it to a CAT5/6 cable. Thanks, Geoff.
Well, I must admit I didn’t delve too far into that bit. Mainly because I had NFI what they were talking about anyway.
I just reread the linked pdf; nothing at all on how they’ll handle a premises already wired with fibre, apart from a note that if there’s already a fibre connection from outside the installation will take about half as much time as it otherwise would.
OK Wocky – I realised that was your problem after I’d replied. No cable into the house. Your situation should give the techies something to earn their pay on.
Geoff D said:
OK Wocky – I realised that was your problem after I’d replied. No cable into the house. Your situation should give the techies something to earn their pay on.
Good! Makes me proud to make them actually think!
:)
Suppose it all depends on whether your existing home network can plug into one of the empty sockets on the thingy whosit.
Geoff’s link answers most of my questions. I note though that there will likely be an additional charge for complex installations. I can picture in my minds eye right now a whole bunch of technicians standing in front of a mirror practicing their “Pffft (head scratch), this one’s a real doozy sir or ma’am.” :)
Any way, the best spot for my gear is half way down one side of the house. The most direct buried route there from the street would involve digging up the concrete in my car port. Can this cable be run along the outside if the building fairly unobtrusively, or are they likely to take it through the ceiling space?
In my house, the telephone cable comes up through the floor right in the middle of the house.
party_pants said:
In my house, the telephone cable comes up through the floor right in the middle of the house.
I imagine a new connection in the front room would be perfectly adequate. Just hope the wireless modem sends a strong enough signal out to the back yard, for when I’m sitting out there with my tablet.
esselte said:
What is involved with physically connecting a premises to the NBN under the governments plan?
Do they stick a box on the outside wall next to the electricity meter box, and leave any other wiring (cabling?) up to the home owner? Do they need access inside your house? Will they drill holes through walls, run cable in the ceiling space or what?
another company turns up and runs fibreoptic cable from the box on the side of your house to a convenient place in the house (not the bathroom or bedroom). a fibre optic connection is installed in a face plate at that place near to a powersocket. a small box with the brains is installed and a larger box housing a sealed lead acid battery is installed near it. the brains and the powerbox are connected together, a powerlead is plugged into the larger box to charge the battery and power the brains. the brains has a fibreoptic connection to it i think. you’ll make sure you have connection to “the hub” a connection box no more than 800m away i think.
the whole process takes an awful lot of time and money
the idea is that the copper wire is done away and you make phone calls and internet via optic fibre.
nice in theory but in practice too time consuming and too expensive
the brains can feed out to an existing connection in the garage or similar that goers somewhere else, what you can do is connect the brains to a wireless router.
Wookie – you’re working as an NBN installer these days – yes?
oh yes
the battery lasts for 2 hours and shuts down
party_pants said:
Wookie – you’re working as an NBN installer these days – yes?
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
Wookie – you’re working as an NBN installer these days – yes?
i can’t comment
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
Wookie – you’re working as an NBN installer these days – yes?
i can’t comment
mossad wouldn’t like it
Oh – go on – you know you want to…
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:i can’t comment
mossad wouldn’t like itOh – go on – you know you want to…
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:mossad wouldn’t like it
Oh – go on – you know you want to…
whats the question?
Are you an NBN installer these days?
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:Oh – go on – you know you want to…
whats the question?Are you an NBN installer these days?
what will be really interesting to see is how long that heavy box with the battery in it will hang on the wall
Due to the fairly pitiful choice of internet connections available in my suburb of only Dial Up, ADSL, ADSL2, ADSL2+, Wireless, Satelite and Cable, it has already had the installers doing their thing since Sept 2012, with household connenction slated for Sept 2013 which coincides with the election. Therefore I will be connecting to the NBN immediately, before Abbott has time to actually stuff it up.
Stealth said:
Due to the fairly pitiful choice of internet connections available in my suburb of only Dial Up, ADSL, ADSL2, ADSL2+, Wireless, Satelite and Cable, it has already had the installers doing their thing since Sept 2012, with household connenction slated for Sept 2013 which coincides with the election. Therefore I will be connecting to the NBN immediately, before Abbott has time to actually stuff it up.
jjjust moi said:
Stealth said:
Due to the fairly pitiful choice of internet connections available in my suburb of only Dial Up, ADSL, ADSL2, ADSL2+, Wireless, Satelite and Cable, it has already had the installers doing their thing since Sept 2012, with household connenction slated for Sept 2013 which coincides with the election. Therefore I will be connecting to the NBN immediately, before Abbott has time to actually stuff it up.
I think that if the fibre is past your place, it will be too late Mr rabbit.
Stealth said:
jjjust moi said:
Stealth said:
Due to the fairly pitiful choice of internet connections available in my suburb of only Dial Up, ADSL, ADSL2, ADSL2+, Wireless, Satelite and Cable, it has already had the installers doing their thing since Sept 2012, with household connenction slated for Sept 2013 which coincides with the election. Therefore I will be connecting to the NBN immediately, before Abbott has time to actually stuff it up.
I think that if the fibre is past your place, it will be too late Mr rabbit.
I wouldn’t put it past him to think that ripping it up is the best way forward…
I am astounded that so many people think that labors NBN is the best way forward.
Do you have a luxury villa in the south of france?
Do you have a new Lamboghini?
Do you have tickets for a trip to disneyland?
No?
Why not?
Kingy said:
Stealth said:
jjjust moi said:I think that if the fibre is past your place, it will be too late Mr rabbit.
I wouldn’t put it past him to think that ripping it up is the best way forward…I am astounded that so many people think that labors NBN is the best way forward.
Do you have a luxury villa in the south of france?
Do you have a new Lamboghini?
Do you have tickets for a trip to disneyland?No?
Why not?
Jon Faine, on ABC wireless this morning, “it’s like giving a rolls royce to everyone in Australia, even those who don’t have a license” :)
Kingy said:
Stealth said:
jjjust moi said:I think that if the fibre is past your place, it will be too late Mr rabbit.
I wouldn’t put it past him to think that ripping it up is the best way forward…I am astounded that so many people think that labors NBN is the best way forward.
Do you have a luxury villa in the south of france?
Do you have a new Lamboghini?
Do you have tickets for a trip to disneyland?No?
Why not?
Do you have a luxury villa in the south of france?
Do you have a new Lamboghini?
Do you have tickets for a trip to disneyland?
No?
Why not?
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I must admit that I am not quite sure of the link you are trying to draw here Kingy, but in January I was staying in the south of France and I took the kids to Disneyland, but I still need to work on the Lamborghini. Does it have to be a new one???
jjjust moi said:
Kingy said:
Stealth said:I wouldn’t put it past him to think that ripping it up is the best way forward…
I am astounded that so many people think that labors NBN is the best way forward.
Do you have a luxury villa in the south of france?
Do you have a new Lamboghini?
Do you have tickets for a trip to disneyland?No?
Why not?
What’s that got to do with it?
Do you want a new house and a new car?
Kingy said:
jjjust moi said:
Kingy said:I am astounded that so many people think that labors NBN is the best way forward.
Do you have a luxury villa in the south of france?
Do you have a new Lamboghini?
Do you have tickets for a trip to disneyland?No?
Why not?
What’s that got to do with it?Do you want a new house and a new car?
jjjust moi said:
Kingy said:
jjjust moi said:What’s that got to do with it?
Do you want a new house and a new car?
Get your brane into gear and stop posting shit.
I’m not the one posting shit. Someone has to pay for all this.
If you can’t afford a Lamborghini, then you can’t afford a super dooper internet either.
Don’t expect me or your children to pay for your childish excesses.
Kingy said:
jjjust moi said:
Kingy said:Do you want a new house and a new car?
Get your brane into gear and stop posting shit.I’m not the one posting shit. Someone has to pay for all this.
If you can’t afford a Lamborghini, then you can’t afford a super dooper internet either.
Don’t expect me or your children to pay for your childish excesses.
Stealth said:
Do you have a luxury villa in the south of france?
Do you have a new Lamboghini?
Do you have tickets for a trip to disneyland?No?
Why not?
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I must admit that I am not quite sure of the link you are trying to draw here Kingy, but in January I was staying in the south of France and I took the kids to Disneyland, but I still need to work on the Lamborghini. Does it have to be a new one???
morrie said:
Stealth said:
Do you have a luxury villa in the south of france?
Do you have a new Lamboghini?
Do you have tickets for a trip to disneyland?No?
Why not?
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I must admit that I am not quite sure of the link you are trying to draw here Kingy, but in January I was staying in the south of France and I took the kids to Disneyland, but I still need to work on the Lamborghini. Does it have to be a new one???
A 4WD imported from the Eastern States would do at a pinch.
Kingy said:
I am astounded that so many people think that labors NBN is the best way forward.
Do you have a luxury villa in the south of france?
Do you have a new Lamboghini?
Do you have tickets for a trip to disneyland?No?
Why not?
It’s a question of how fast you think the technology will move in the future.
If you think the Turnbull plan will be adequate for the next 20 years, then yes, that plan will work out better.
If you think that it will be outdated within a decade and we’ll need to upgrade to something faster, then the NBN plan that gets us two steps ahead in a single step, so is better value in the long term.
We can’t [predict the exact timeframe, we can only guess. A betting man will plumb for option B – given that it is an area that is experiencing rapid growth. I’m going for option B.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:I am astounded that so many people think that labors NBN is the best way forward.
Do you have a luxury villa in the south of france?
Do you have a new Lamboghini?
Do you have tickets for a trip to disneyland?No?
Why not?
It’s a question of how fast you think the technology will move in the future.
If you think the Turnbull plan will be adequate for the next 20 years, then yes, that plan will work out better.
If you think that it will be outdated within a decade and we’ll need to upgrade to something faster, then the NBN plan that gets us two steps ahead in a single step, so is better value in the long term.
We can’t
Why should I pay for other peoples internet?
If I want fast internet, then I pay for fast internet.
If I don’t want fast internet, then why should I have to pay for someone elses?
>If you think the Turnbull plan will be adequate for the next 20 years, then yes, that plan will work out better.
Even Turnbull admits that we will eventually have fibre all the way. Their reasoning, and it is one that I can agree with, is that it doesn’t have to be done all in one hit.
sibeen said:
>If you think the Turnbull plan will be adequate for the next 20 years, then yes, that plan will work out better.Even Turnbull admits that we will eventually have fibre all the way. Their reasoning, and it is one that I can agree with, is that it doesn’t have to be done all in one hit.
Stealth said:
sibeen said:
>If you think the Turnbull plan will be adequate for the next 20 years, then yes, that plan will work out better.Even Turnbull admits that we will eventually have fibre all the way. Their reasoning, and it is one that I can agree with, is that it doesn’t have to be done all in one hit.
But why do a stop gap measure that costs extra money (building nodes on street corners). Why not just roll out the whole FTP over a longer timescale?
Because most people don’t need it, we can’t afford it, and the technology changes so fast that it will probably be irrelevant by then.
Who pays now?
sibeen said:
>If you think the Turnbull plan will be adequate for the next 20 years, then yes, that plan will work out better.Even Turnbull admits that we will eventually have fibre all the way. Their reasoning, and it is one that I can agree with, is that it doesn’t have to be done all in one hit.
… and I admit that the NBN is overkill for what the average household needs today.
The thing to me is that the progression: copper from the exchange to the home -> fibre to the node -> fibre to the premises : is not a linear progression.
Fibre to the node requires building literally tens of thousands of nodes around the country. But, whenever we take the next step of full FTTP these nodes become useless – fibre from the home will end up being spliced directly into the fibre from the exchange – leaving the nodes as expensive and isolated, unconnected and useless assets.
It’s the time frame that’s important. If the nodes last long enough to pay themselves off before they are made obsolete then well and good. But on the other hand if the pace of change means that we need to go full fibre before the nodes have been paid off, then it is a wasteful intermediate step.
We won’t know the real answer for 10-15 years, but as a betting man I’d go for technology developing faster than we anticipate.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
>If you think the Turnbull plan will be adequate for the next 20 years, then yes, that plan will work out better.Even Turnbull admits that we will eventually have fibre all the way. Their reasoning, and it is one that I can agree with, is that it doesn’t have to be done all in one hit.
… and I admit that the NBN is overkill for what the average household needs today.
The thing to me is that the progression: copper from the exchange to the home -> fibre to the node -> fibre to the premises : is not a linear progression.
Fibre to the node requires building literally tens of thousands of nodes around the country. But, whenever we take the next step of full FTTP these nodes become useless – fibre from the home will end up being spliced directly into the fibre from the exchange – leaving the nodes as expensive and isolated, unconnected and useless assets.
It’s the time frame that’s important. If the nodes last long enough to pay themselves off before they are made obsolete then well and good. But on the other hand if the pace of change means that we need to go full fibre before the nodes have been paid off, then it is a wasteful intermediate step.
We won’t know the real answer for 10-15 years, but as a betting man I’d go for technology developing faster than we anticipate.
As a working taxpaying man, I’m happy to let those who want fast internet to pay for it themselves.
party_pants, you have one of the fastest internets on the forum(via copper), what could you possibly not do now that needs a faster connection?
Kingy said:
As a working taxpaying man, I’m happy to let those who want fast internet to pay for it themselves.
party_pants, you have one of the fastest internets on the forum(via copper), what could you possibly not do now that needs a faster connection?
I’m a working taxpaying man too.
I just frame the question a different way. We know that dial-up and ADSL isn’t going to be enough – what’s all the options for upgrade?
The option that might cost more upfront might be the better option in the long term.
I’m only renting here, so I’m not locked into what I get at this particular place. If I buy a place in the outer suburbs in the next year or two I expect I’d be down to no land-line and wireless only just like the rest of you.
if you want a guess for what might be demand for internet in the next 5-10 years – ultra high definition television in 3D – for entertainment and sports into your living room.
party_pants said:
if you want a guess for what might be demand for internet in the next 5-10 years – ultra high definition television in 3D – for entertainment and sports into your living room.
morrie said:
party_pants said:
if you want a guess for what might be demand for internet in the next 5-10 years – ultra high definition television in 3D – for entertainment and sports into your living room.
Don’t forget the robotic surgery.
to be honest, I dismiss health and education as the main drivers of it, they will be just any other boats lifted by the rising tide.
party_pants said:
morrie said:
party_pants said:
if you want a guess for what might be demand for internet in the next 5-10 years – ultra high definition television in 3D – for entertainment and sports into your living room.
Don’t forget the robotic surgery.to be honest, I dismiss health and education as the main drivers of it, they will be just any other boats lifted by the rising tide.
HD, 3D B&D
morrie said:
Yep. There is little doubt that entertainment will be the major use. So it is really a matter of what people are prepared to pay for that which will determine the economics of it.
I
The surge in entertainment use might be enough to justify the cost and even return a profit. Then again it might not.
There’s no way of knowing in advance. We wont know until we are very far down one path or the other before the real picture becomes apparent.
party_pants said:
morrie said:
Yep. There is little doubt that entertainment will be the major use. So it is really a matter of what people are prepared to pay for that which will determine the economics of it.
IThe surge in entertainment use might be enough to justify the cost and even return a profit. Then again it might not.
There’s no way of knowing in advance. We wont know until we are very far down one path or the other before the real picture becomes apparent.
morrie said:
Foxtel and Sky Channel should have provided some useful data for those in the know. Seems to me that there is a distinct lack of content, so generating cheap content might remain a key driver. Depends if people get sick of it. I have had Foxtel a few times and soon got bored with it.
just these last few months I’ve got better what I consider better online direct internet subscriptions deals than Foxtel or Sky.
Last summer I got all of the T20 domestic cricket games for $12.95 on a tablet app. Much cheaper than a 2 year Foxtel subscription plus extras package.
I have signed up to AFL app at $14.95 per month to get AFL games live over tablet/smartphone. Much cheaper once again than buying the basic Foxtel package and then upgrading to add in the all AFL channels.
Shitty picture quality on the smartphone or tablet, but perfectly satisfactory compared to paying full pay TV rates for it.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/
Sorry – wrong.
morrie said:
Yep. There is little doubt that entertainment will be the major use. So it is really a matter of what people are prepared to pay for that which will determine the economics of it.
ADSL 2 is adequate form my modest needs, even with Girl Child’s usage. Any whinges she has could be fixed with a newer computer. Lately, I’ve noticed she is using the smart phone on WiFi a lot more.
the fact is that someone will be paying for all this infrastructure
will it be the people that can offset all their income through “tax minimisation”
will it be all the people who don’t work and get money from the government?
they should never have rolled out the NBN without fully understanding the cost to the taxpayer
what will the majority of download on this “futuristic” communication system that would most likely snap if you dare look at it? games/youtube/illegal download.
personally i would have spent 43 billion dollars of spare money building a renewable energy system that would provide power to australia that doesn’t use fossil fuels.
the money made from harvesting essentially free energy could be used to upgrade all electrical infrastructure and put all powercables underground, in this infrastructure rebuild a communication line would be coupled with the new underground connection to the residence, hence no need for a separate trench/hole/ whatever.
this would be true “future proofing”
wookiemeister said:
the fact is that someone will be paying for all this infrastructurewill it be the people that can offset all their income through “tax minimisation”
will it be all the people who don’t work and get money from the government?
they should never have rolled out the NBN without fully understanding the cost to the taxpayer
what will the majority of download on this “futuristic” communication system that would most likely snap if you dare look at it? games/youtube/illegal download.
personally i would have spent 43 billion dollars of spare money building a renewable energy system that would provide power to australia that doesn’t use fossil fuels.
the money made from harvesting essentially free energy could be used to upgrade all electrical infrastructure and put all powercables underground, in this infrastructure rebuild a communication line would be coupled with the new underground connection to the residence, hence no need for a separate trench/hole/ whatever.
this would be true “future proofing”
Trouble is, wookie. there’s a lot of gunnas about. The real issue is that they all need to get a round tuit.
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
the fact is that someone will be paying for all this infrastructurewill it be the people that can offset all their income through “tax minimisation”
will it be all the people who don’t work and get money from the government?
they should never have rolled out the NBN without fully understanding the cost to the taxpayer
what will the majority of download on this “futuristic” communication system that would most likely snap if you dare look at it? games/youtube/illegal download.
personally i would have spent 43 billion dollars of spare money building a renewable energy system that would provide power to australia that doesn’t use fossil fuels.
the money made from harvesting essentially free energy could be used to upgrade all electrical infrastructure and put all powercables underground, in this infrastructure rebuild a communication line would be coupled with the new underground connection to the residence, hence no need for a separate trench/hole/ whatever.
this would be true “future proofing”
Trouble is, wookie. there’s a lot of gunnas about. The real issue is that they all need to get a round tuit.
nuclear is expensive , time consuming and inherently dangerous and still lumbered with the same inefficiencies as a steam engine, you have in the long term massive on going expenses due to moving parts and labour costs
fossil fuels: dirty, inefficient, many moving parts, ongoing labour costs.
We get nuclear energy, falling on us all day.
roughbarked said:
We get nuclear energy, falling on us all day.
i think i pointed out that in my very first post
nearly a decade down the line we still haven’t really done anything towards reducing emissions.
invest 43 billion into renewable energy and power costs would fall
the money made would be reinvested into upgrading the cables to the user
you couldn’t have private enterprise do this because they are about making money not about providing value
you would have to ban the trade unions from the enterprise because they are too destructive, they are tribal rather than having interest in society, in extreme cases they are simply criminal gangs with legally recognised framework.
the “managers” would be banned from the project because they are too expensive and have no value. the engineering dept and works dept would work hand in glove.
morrie said:
party_pants said:
if you want a guess for what might be demand for internet in the next 5-10 years – ultra high definition television in 3D – for entertainment and sports into your living room.
Don’t forget the robotic surgery.
I don’t need any more blood on the lounge room floor.
esselte said:
Under the liberal scheme, can I purchase the cable myself, run it through the ceiling space and wall cavities from where I want the terminanation box and modem situated, dig up my front yard and run it from the front of my property to the termination box, then get the provider in just to do the final connections – with an eye to saving dollars?
under the liberal scheme you will be asked to provide your own can and string.
Tonight’s Clark and Dawe have all the answers. The data gets to the node via fibre optic cable, then jumps on a bike and rides to your door.
Yes, I caught them tonight too. I like it!