Lots of people out there are fascinated by Hitler and his Nazis and all their doings. Books, dvds, video games, websites, plastic models and toys, there’s no end of Nazi merchandise and no end of Nazi consumers. Hitler was one of the most profitable franchise opportunities of all time. So the obvious question: why?

the nazi programmes are meant to shape our minds to the “right” view.

embarrassing truths such as jewish banks funding the Nazis are forgotten. where did I learn this? Dachau, its put to you when you walk into the building where “rauchen verboten” is up on the wall

the yanks saw Hitler as a strong man who would challenge communism and so they backed him – time magazine loved him – until the war came.

the overriding reason for the programmes is to show that the allies aren’t that bad after all, yes we launched illegal wars, yes we were shooting up shepherds in the hills of the middle east before we went back to war. somehow we aren’t as bad as the “Nazis”.

its propaganda pure and simple

….and I’m not sneering at anyone here. I’ll admit to wasting far more time myself on the Nazis than they warrant, while at the same time utterly loathing them.

Maybe that’s part of the appeal. The Nazis were a group of people who singled themselves out as a focus for what would otherwise be unfocused anxieties.

for some it’s the absolute horror that is within living memory of some people still alive today… the fact that people can be so swept up in belief of someone or a system ,that they’re willing to act the way they did …

auschwitz is such an anathema to most sane people. and yet, there it is …

No wookie, the Nazis really were insane. If you want to endorse Nazis, please find another forum.

Nazis, worse than Daleks.

Though I reckon you could draw a lot of parallels between Nazis and Daleks if you were the sort to waffle using words like paradigm and conceptually juxtaposed a lot.

Skunkworks said:

Nazis, worse than Daleks.

Though I reckon you could draw a lot of parallels between Nazis and Daleks if you were the sort to waffle using words like paradigm and conceptually juxtaposed a lot.

Terry Nation actually based the Daleks on the Nazis, which is particularly clear in Genesis of the Daleks, his best Dalek story.

millions of men went to war on both sides

the losing side went back to the fatherland with no job , no money, a few years older , no prospects and a missing limb or carrying an injury. these people formed political groups after the war, the brown shirts/ storm troopers were former soldiers – these were the backbone of the newly formed “nazi” movement, psychologically they were still fighting the last war.

blitzkreig was a strategy left over from ww1 – the germans started using storm troops to overwhelm the britsh trenches, break through and then move rapidly behind the trenches and lines of containment – they were seeking the brain of the british army to knock it out, it was very supposedly successful but came too late to make any difference. in ww2 they used the same tactics but this time with tanks and mobile infantry backed up with airsupport.

hitler a twice decorated soldier was injured just before the armistice, he went into the war a harmless eccentric that enjoyed arguing with people, doing no work with dire need for psychiatric help and came out a hardened lunatic looking for some meaning to life amongst the austerity measures. the eventual result was ww2.

Bubblecar said:

No wookie, the Nazis really were insane. If you want to endorse Nazis, please find another forum.

i’m not endorsing the Nazis

I’m saying you need to look at the facts themselves and why they are always so keen to make the Nazis as the bogeyman

sure we taught south americans to torture people and cause thousands of deaths in s.america BUT we aren’t as bad as the Nazis

its all too convenient

Like Dropbear said, the modern fascination has much to do with the fact that a very extreme philosophical and ethical system managed to capture the popular imagination of a country which was a major power, to the extent that it had a major impact on world history. Imagine if some idiotic religious cult was able to significantly influence the attitudes and mores of civilized society 2,000 years later. People would be fascinated by that. Nazism is similair, but all the more fascinating because its influence was much more temporally condensed and slightly more horrific than the hypothetical i offered above.

That and the uniforms. Say what you want about the Nazi’s, there’s no denying they had some kick arse military uniforms.

>he went into the war a harmless eccentric

No. He had already organised the murder of huge numbers of people before he organised the outbreak of WW2.

I’m already regretting this thread :/

have you ever seen the footage of crazy horse 1 shooting up people in the street

THEN

shooting up civillians that came across their mangled bodies and tried to take them to hospital?

the footage of crazy horse 1 , the footage they said never existed is why assange is under house arrest

the other appeal of concentrating our attention to the past is to distract us from the present.

esselte said:

Like Dropbear said, the modern fascination has much to do with the fact that a very extreme philosophical and ethical system managed to capture the popular imagination of a country which was a major power, to the extent that it had a major impact on world history. Imagine if some idiotic religious cult was able to significantly influence the attitudes and mores of civilized society 2,000 years later. People would be fascinated by that. Nazism is similair, but all the more fascinating because its influence was much more temporally condensed and slightly more horrific than the hypothetical i offered above.

That and the uniforms. Say what you want about the Nazi’s, there’s no denying they had some kick arse military uniforms.

hugo boss

The fascination with the Nazis is the almost disbelief that it happened.

That 6 million innocent people were exterminated in 4 years .

It is look back on how humanity lost its humanity.

Bubblecar said:

>he went into the war a harmless eccentric

No. He had already organised the murder of huge numbers of people before he organised the outbreak of WW2.

I’m already regretting this thread :/

i’m talking about ww1

hitler was effectively homeless before ww1, he made a living selling his paintings etc. he lived from a pension from his dead mum for a long time then it ran out I think. manual labour wasn’t his thing either. I often look at these biographies of hitler as character assassinations tabloid style.

we are taught to understand history in black and white terms

tauto said:

The fascination with the Nazis is the almost disbelief that it happened.

That 6 million innocent people were exterminated in 4 years .

It is look back on how humanity lost its humanity.

And yet we seem to have learnt nothing from the experience.

tauto said:

The fascination with the Nazis is the almost disbelief that it happened.

That 6 million innocent people were exterminated in 4 years .

It is look back on how humanity lost its humanity.

As I understand it, there have been worse examples of state sanctioned mass murder in human history. Particularly in Asia.

tauto said:

The fascination with the Nazis is the almost disbelief that it happened.

That 6 million innocent people were exterminated in 4 years .

It is look back on how humanity lost its humanity.

the Nazis killed plenty of people other than the jews

the poles, gypsies, mentally ill, disabled. in fact they were still killing people singled out by psychiatrists AFTER the war until finally being shut down. whats interesting is that even though the poles were paraded as the unter menschen – they were secretly being whisked into Germany as very young children to strengthen the purity of the german race. go figure

Skeptic Pete said:

tauto said:

The fascination with the Nazis is the almost disbelief that it happened.

That 6 million innocent people were exterminated in 4 years .

It is look back on how humanity lost its humanity.

And yet we seem to have learnt nothing from the experience.

we have PR

Skeptic Pete said:

tauto said:

The fascination with the Nazis is the almost disbelief that it happened.

That 6 million innocent people were exterminated in 4 years .

It is look back on how humanity lost its humanity.

And yet we seem to have learnt nothing from the experience.

I wouldn’t say that. The main participants in WWII have been at peace since the war ended.

if you go to dachau you see something very interesting

a picture of the first inmates jumping out of the back of a truck

they are wearing lederhosen!

esselte said:

tauto said:

The fascination with the Nazis is the almost disbelief that it happened.

That 6 million innocent people were exterminated in 4 years .

It is look back on how humanity lost its humanity.

As I understand it, there have been worse examples of state sanctioned mass murder in human history. Particularly in Asia.

it would be interesting to see the killing fields

Lots of interesting stuff about Nazis, from the mundane of European politics and fragmentation of old empires, dynasties and ancient European states, to the continuing change of warfare and for the first time in non sieged cities civilians taking the brunt of war, from technology still reliant on horses that will go to the edge of space in just a few years, for the first time organised industrial methods to eradicate entire groups from society and the end outcomes that led to the cold war.

Add to that nazi gold and alien tech conspiracies, SS and the occult weirdness traipsing about in Nepal or in pursuit of cultural treasures and fabled objects and tis a rich tapestry.

It was a historic moment. On Dec. 2, 2002, then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld signed a memorandum authorizing interrogation techniques against detainees at Guantanamo that the current President of the United States, Barack Obama, has described as “torture.”

In a handwritten notation he scrawled at the bottom of the memo, Rumsfeld wrote, “I stand for 8-10 hours a day. Why is standing limited to 4 hours?”

If Rumsfeld had any other thoughts at that historic moment, thus far, that single one is the only known to have been recorded for posterity.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/murray-waas/rumsfeld-on-detainees-i-s_b_189833.html

Bubblecar said:

Lots of people out there are fascinated by Hitler and his Nazis and all their doings. Books, dvds, video games, websites, plastic models and toys, there’s no end of Nazi merchandise and no end of Nazi consumers. Hitler was one of the most profitable franchise opportunities of all time. So the obvious question: why?

He was reminiscent of Charlie Chaplin?

Bubblecar said:

I’m already regretting this thread :/

How intrinsically Godwinned could it possibly be?

wookiemeister said:

…is why assange is under house arrest

Julian Assange? He is not under house arrest. There’s a warrant for his arrest, but he hasn’t been charged with any crime, never mind prosecuted and sentenced.

In my mind there seem to be two types of people that would form the market for such sorts of merchandise. The first group are those that subscribe to the sorts of nationalistic rhetoric inherent in the nazi ideology. The second group are those that have a fascination with the nazi political and or war machine.

The second group is actually much easier to understand, I mean let’s face it WWII was a pretty interesting series of events.

The first group are just nutters….

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

…is why assange is under house arrest

Julian Assange? He is not under house arrest. There’s a warrant for his arrest, but he hasn’t been charged with any crime, never mind prosecuted and sentenced.

and in all practical terms

house arrest

wookiemeister said:

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

…is why assange is under house arrest

Julian Assange? He is not under house arrest. There’s a warrant for his arrest, but he hasn’t been charged with any crime, never mind prosecuted and sentenced.

and in all practical terms

house arrest

he is avoiding arrest for crimes he claims are trumped up… none of which prescribes house arrest as a punishment.

wookiemeister said:

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

…is why assange is under house arrest

Julian Assange? He is not under house arrest. There’s a warrant for his arrest, but he hasn’t been charged with any crime, never mind prosecuted and sentenced.

and in all practical terms

house arrest

No. Only people who have been convicted of a crime can be subject to house arrest. Assange doesn’t have any outstanding sentences that I know of. He’s subject to diplomatic immunity. Suggesting that he’s subject to house arrest implies and necessitates that he has been arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced for a crime.

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

esselte said:

Julian Assange? He is not under house arrest. There’s a warrant for his arrest, but he hasn’t been charged with any crime, never mind prosecuted and sentenced.

and in all practical terms

house arrest

No. Only people who have been convicted of a crime can be subject to house arrest. Assange doesn’t have any outstanding sentences that I know of. He’s subject to diplomatic immunity. Suggesting that he’s subject to house arrest implies and necessitates that he has been arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced for a crime.

He has been housed for the moment in an embassy, not sure he attracts diplomatic immunity in his person.

Skunkworks said:

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

and in all practical terms

house arrest

No. Only people who have been convicted of a crime can be subject to house arrest. Assange doesn’t have any outstanding sentences that I know of. He’s subject to diplomatic immunity. Suggesting that he’s subject to house arrest implies and necessitates that he has been arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced for a crime.

He has been housed for the moment in an embassy, not sure he attracts diplomatic immunity in his person.

So, he has sought sanctuary.

Skunkworks said:

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

and in all practical terms

house arrest

No. Only people who have been convicted of a crime can be subject to house arrest. Assange doesn’t have any outstanding sentences that I know of. He’s subject to diplomatic immunity. Suggesting that he’s subject to house arrest implies and necessitates that he has been arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced for a crime.

He has been housed for the moment in an embassy, not sure he attracts diplomatic immunity in his person.

Sorry, Ecuador as granted him diplomatic asylum, not diplomatic immunity.

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

esselte said:

Julian Assange? He is not under house arrest. There’s a warrant for his arrest, but he hasn’t been charged with any crime, never mind prosecuted and sentenced.

and in all practical terms

house arrest

No. Only people who have been convicted of a crime can be subject to house arrest. Assange doesn’t have any outstanding sentences that I know of. He’s subject to diplomatic immunity. Suggesting that he’s subject to house arrest implies and necessitates that he has been arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced for a crime.

and i’m saying that he is for all practical terms under house arrest

you don’t need to take some to trial to put them under house arrest that’s the beauty of the whole thing

wookiemeister said:

you don’t need to take some to trial to put them under house arrest that’s the beauty of the whole thing

Actually, you not only have to take the person to trial, you have to convict them of a crime.

Saying Assange is practically under house arrest intrinsically assumes he is guilty of a crime.

However, re-reading I think you might be saying he is effectively under house arrest, which is a sentiment I can understand and even agree with. He does have the option, however, of defending himself in court against the conditions of his arrest warrant.

Skunkworks said:

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

and in all practical terms

house arrest

No. Only people who have been convicted of a crime can be subject to house arrest. Assange doesn’t have any outstanding sentences that I know of. He’s subject to diplomatic immunity. Suggesting that he’s subject to house arrest implies and necessitates that he has been arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced for a crime.

He has been housed for the moment in an embassy, not sure he attracts diplomatic immunity in his person.

unknown

not that the Australian gov has much to do with it

it will be amusing if the wikileaks party gets a seat in the senate then they’d have to cop an earful of it when they want to get anything through the senate.

if they can get enough people it will set the cat amongst the pidgeons because people who won’t vote for labour but don’t really want to vote for labour might park their vote up in the wikileaks party. they might throw the wikileaks party into gaol before the election.

strictly speaking its unlikely, there are no checks and balances in the electoral process and by the looks of it never has been since 1901, they don’t have a clue who is voting or how many times. get 100 people to vote as many times as they can and it will throw the whole election. once i realised that the elections were being rigged I just parked the notion of democracy in Australia in the dustbin.

whats even more disturbing is how the aec is going to expand the numbers of voters that don’t want to vote, you’ll have millions of names washing around in the electoral washing machine that you could use. I remember a lady telling me how her bed ridden mothers name had been used to vote twice in an election.

they laughably scan the electoral roles that have bene marked after the election and look for double ups. it never occurred to them that this might happen or they might just be using the names of the dead and the dying to park votes into the ballot box.

if I were particularly malicious I might go and give a talk to the bikies to how you can vote many times without any checks – it would be amusing to see the parliament full of bikies after the election – they’d have to swallow it down Canberra because illegal voting is totally legal.

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

you don’t need to take some to trial to put them under house arrest that’s the beauty of the whole thing

Actually, you not only have to take the person to trial, you have to convict them of a crime.

Saying Assange is practically under house arrest intrinsically assumes he is guilty of a crime.

However, re-reading I think you might be saying he is effectively under house arrest, which is a sentiment I can understand and even agree with. He does have the option, however, of defending himself in court against the conditions of his arrest warrant.

he is under house arrest, he didn’t need a trial.

assange knows that they’ll transfer him straight to America , that’s why he’s staying put

the legalities of his trial is that he didn’t need any trial, in the same way you didn’t need any proof or declaration of war to attack iraq. the practicalities of the matter were that they attacked and started a war and then said it didn’t matter anyway – case closed.

wookiemeister said:

I remember a lady telling me how her bed ridden mothers name had been used to vote twice in an election.

… they’d have to swallow it down Canberra because illegal voting is totally legal.

Why did she suspect that and how did she find out?

illegal is totally legal now? That is so silly it cannot even qualify as doublespeak.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

I remember a lady telling me how her bed ridden mothers name had been used to vote twice in an election.

… they’d have to swallow it down Canberra because illegal voting is totally legal.

Why did she suspect that and how did she find out?

illegal is totally legal now? That is so silly it cannot even qualify as doublespeak.

the police contacted her on the phone and asked her

in fact you’ll find the reason that its never been classed as a problem is because they have never gone looking for how the system is being rigged – if they don’t go looking it means that no crime has been committed. how exactly would you charge someone anyway without any proof? its why the conviction rate is so low its because they have no way of detecting the crime in the first place, if you can’t detect it the crime never happened

never mind double speak that’s doublethink

some concepts tend to fry the brain

its like when I started explaining well known economic theory about unemployment and inflation to people

you get a limited responses , anger, denial, stunned silence (usually amongst the more intelligent listeners – in this class theres normally a stream of questions that follow).

when you explain to people that the elections are being rigged because there are no checks on the voters identity they’ll normally tell you that it wouldn’t matter if people were doing this because there would be so many people voting the fraudulent voting would be swamped by legitimate votes – that fact is many elections are won by slim margins of a few thousand that a few hundred dedicated people could achieve by voting illegally.

other concepts I’ve found hard to convince people of here

calcium carbonate precipitates in water

low voltage can kill

wookiemeister said:

the police contacted her on the phone and asked her

never mind double speak that’s doublethink

I see, in pursuit of a crime they don’t go looking for and a crime that cannot be detected never the less someone you know…meh I call shenanigans.

then you’ve got the idea of white paint

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

the police contacted her on the phone and asked her

never mind double speak that’s doublethink

I see, in pursuit of a crime they don’t go looking for and a crime that cannot be detected never the less someone you know…meh I call shenanigans.

how many white collar crimes do the police really go looking for?

the police force is by rights really a dumb brute, its activities are mainly speed radar, drunks, drug dealers and the odd domestic dispute. they don’t regard white collar crime as a worthwhile activity to get involved with unless forced to.

exactly how far up the care factor list would electoral fraud come?

anyway , this will only worry people

please resume your normal viewing

>>No wookie, the Nazis really were insane.

That’s the problem, they weren’t insane…perfectly ordinary people would commit the most unspeakable atrocities on their fellow man, then go home for tea with the wife and kids, and play with the dog.

wookiemeister said:

how many white collar crimes do the police really go looking for?

No clue, I was just addressing a bloke who after telling me a crime was not checked for and was undetectable told me he knew someone who had suffered just that!!!

And it seems to confirm your position. Astonishing.

wookiemeister said:

he is under house arrest, he didn’t need a trial.

I think we both agree that Assanges freedom has been unfairly curtailed, but please understand that without any proper context the above quote says exactly the opposite of what I think you intend to say. It says that he is guilty of a crime and does not deserve due process.

the legalities of his trial is that he didn’t need any trial, in the same way you didn’t need any proof or declaration of war to attack iraq. the practicalities of the matter were that they attacked and started a war and then said it didn’t matter anyway – case closed.

This is terribly simplistic, and I think both the Assange situation and the war in Iraq are based far more on ideologies than they are on practicalities. I don’t really understand what you are saying, or at least as much as I do understand it I think you are wrong.

wookiemeister said:

anyway , this will only worry people

please resume your normal viewing

What? With the sheeple? Noooooooooo I am too smart to be with the sheeple, I seeeeee alllllllll…

wookiemeister said:

other concepts I’ve found hard to convince people of here

>>>calcium carbonate precipitates in water<<

low voltage can kill

I seem to recall you misunderstanding the extent of dissolution of calcium carbonate in carbonic acid.

esselte said:

That and the uniforms. Say what you want about the Nazi’s, there’s no denying they had some kick arse military uniforms.

The German uniforms of that era were designed by Hugo Boss. My brother used to pick being the Germans in our childhood war games because of the uniforms. Surprisingly he isn’t gay.

>That and the uniforms. Say what you want about the Nazi’s, there’s no denying they had some kick arse military uniforms.

Some of them are quite hot on the subject of apostrophes too.

>Some of them are quite hot on the subject of apostrophes too.

:)

Had a lovely meal this evening, courtesy of the backpackers. It was a simple dish made from zucchini, a long pepper, and shelled mussels. Seasoned with cracked pepper and salt and served with spaghetti.

morrie said:

Had a lovely meal this evening, courtesy of the backpackers. It was a simple dish made from zucchini, a long pepper, and shelled mussels. Seasoned with cracked pepper and salt and served with spaghetti.

Sounds tasty morrie. Presumably there was some oil or other cooking fat involved.

morrie said:

Had a lovely meal this evening, courtesy of the backpackers. It was a simple dish made from zucchini, a long pepper, and shelled mussels. Seasoned with cracked pepper and salt and served with spaghetti.

Bloody fascists!

:)

I must admit I’m wantonly boiling up some taters along with a smoked bacon hock for late supper. But that’ll be my last pig for some time (I’ve banished the remaining pork sausages to the freezer).

Bubblecar said:

morrie said:

Had a lovely meal this evening, courtesy of the backpackers. It was a simple dish made from zucchini, a long pepper, and shelled mussels. Seasoned with cracked pepper and salt and served with spaghetti.

Sounds tasty morrie. Presumably there was some oil or other cooking fat involved.

Yes, the vegies cooked with a little oil until soft, than the mussels added and simmered. Makes a nice change from chilli mussels.

sibeen said:

morrie said:

Had a lovely meal this evening, courtesy of the backpackers. It was a simple dish made from zucchini, a long pepper, and shelled mussels. Seasoned with cracked pepper and salt and served with spaghetti.

Bloody fascists!

:)

Now then, lets not drift off topic.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

how many white collar crimes do the police really go looking for?

No clue, I was just addressing a bloke who after telling me a crime was not checked for and was undetectable told me he knew someone who had suffered just that!!!

And it seems to confirm your position. Astonishing.

get used to it skunkworks – the elections are being rigged whether you like it or not.

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

he is under house arrest, he didn’t need a trial.

I think we both agree that Assanges freedom has been unfairly curtailed, but please understand that without any proper context the above quote says exactly the opposite of what I think you intend to say. It says that he is guilty of a crime and does not deserve due process.

the legalities of his trial is that he didn’t need any trial, in the same way you didn’t need any proof or declaration of war to attack iraq. the practicalities of the matter were that they attacked and started a war and then said it didn’t matter anyway – case closed.

This is terribly simplistic, and I think both the Assange situation and the war in Iraq are based far more on ideologies than they are on practicalities. I don’t really understand what you are saying, or at least as much as I do understand it I think you are wrong.

there is no assange situation and Iraq war situation , assange is under house arrest whether you’d like it to frame it in legal terms or not. when wikileaks released crazy horse 1 and proof of crimes against humanity the American gov didn’t like it – they persued him, its their intention to bang him up one way or the other.

I don’t allow intellectual gymnastics to cloud the obvious

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

anyway , this will only worry people

please resume your normal viewing

What? With the sheeple? Noooooooooo I am too smart to be with the sheeple, I seeeeee alllllllll…

no I don’t say “sheeple” that’s what you have decided is a way to invalidate my assertion by trying to frame my views in your way.

imagine a boot stamping on your face forever…. in the end you get used to the boot stamping in your face and come to see it as a necessary part of society – if you didn’t pick up on that one from 1984 then you should go back and read it.

morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

other concepts I’ve found hard to convince people of here

>>>calcium carbonate precipitates in water<<

low voltage can kill

I seem to recall you misunderstanding the extent of dissolution of calcium carbonate in carbonic acid.

go and argue with the hsc chemistry book

under precipitation

wookiemeister said:

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

he is under house arrest, he didn’t need a trial.

I think we both agree that Assanges freedom has been unfairly curtailed, but please understand that without any proper context the above quote says exactly the opposite of what I think you intend to say. It says that he is guilty of a crime and does not deserve due process.

the legalities of his trial is that he didn’t need any trial, in the same way you didn’t need any proof or declaration of war to attack iraq. the practicalities of the matter were that they attacked and started a war and then said it didn’t matter anyway – case closed.

This is terribly simplistic, and I think both the Assange situation and the war in Iraq are based far more on ideologies than they are on practicalities. I don’t really understand what you are saying, or at least as much as I do understand it I think you are wrong.

there is no assange situation and Iraq war situation , assange is under house arrest whether you’d like it to frame it in legal terms or not. when wikileaks released crazy horse 1 and proof of crimes against humanity the American gov didn’t like it – they persued him, its their intention to bang him up one way or the other.

I don’t allow intellectual gymnastics to cloud the obvious

the Iraq war and assange are linked

the concentration camps are alive and well

A Chinese court has dismissed a compensation claim by a mother sent to a labour camp after she demanded justice for her daughter who had been raped.

Authorities in the southern city of Yongzhou sentenced Tang Hui to 18 months in a labour camp last August for “disturbing social order” after she demanded that the men who had raped her then 11-year-old daughter be given the death penalty.

The high-profile case has sparked debate about reform of the labour-camp system

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-12/chinese-court-denies-mother-payout-after-rape-protest/4626864

the chinese use the concentration camps to contain the falun gong “situation”, not that Julia goves a damn she’s too busy doing busy with these people. the Australian was still shipping iron to japan before knowing full well they were going to attack us. I never see that little nugget in the Australian war memorial. shame

China’s “re-education through labour” system, in place since 1957, empowers police and other agencies to detain people for up to four years without a court process
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-12/chinese-court-denies-mother-payout-after-rape-protest/4626864

“Arbeit macht frei” (German pronunciation: ) is a German phrase meaning “labour makes (you) free”. The slogan is known for having been placed over the entrances to a number of Nazi concentration camps during World War II, including most infamously Auschwitz I, where it was made by prisoners with metalwork skills and erected by order of the Nazis in June 1940.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei

Australia should not have to wear shame for Pig Iron Bob any more than that of Julia Gillard.

It isn’t up to Australia to take the blame for what China or Japan do. they would buy whatever they need whether it is from us or any other source.

roughbarked said:

Australia should not have to wear shame for Pig Iron Bob any more than that of Julia Gillard.

It isn’t up to Australia to take the blame for what China or Japan do. they would buy whatever they need whether it is from us or any other source.

its dangerous doing business with people who don’t give a damn about human rights

it strengthens them

about 99.99 percent of the stuff we get from china is garbage anyway, we’ve completely destroyed the manufacturing capacity of this country to please china. they invade Tibet and no one mentions this, they set up concentration camps and no one says anything.

all it all sounds very familiar doesn’t it?

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

Australia should not have to wear shame for Pig Iron Bob any more than that of Julia Gillard.

It isn’t up to Australia to take the blame for what China or Japan do. they would buy whatever they need whether it is from us or any other source.

its dangerous doing business with people who don’t give a damn about human rights

it strengthens them

about 99.99 percent of the stuff we get from china is garbage anyway, we’ve completely destroyed the manufacturing capacity of this country to please china. they invade Tibet and no one mentions this, they set up concentration camps and no one says anything.

all it all sounds very familiar doesn’t it?

Yes but I know very wealthy people in Australia who claimed that their property values would decline because some of the houses in their suburb were allocated as aboriginal housing.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

Australia should not have to wear shame for Pig Iron Bob any more than that of Julia Gillard.

It isn’t up to Australia to take the blame for what China or Japan do. they would buy whatever they need whether it is from us or any other source.

its dangerous doing business with people who don’t give a damn about human rights

it strengthens them

about 99.99 percent of the stuff we get from china is garbage anyway, we’ve completely destroyed the manufacturing capacity of this country to please china. they invade Tibet and no one mentions this, they set up concentration camps and no one says anything.

all it all sounds very familiar doesn’t it?

Yes but I know very wealthy people in Australia who claimed that their property values would decline because some of the houses in their suburb were allocated as aboriginal housing.

you’d be mad to live next to them

the on going noise and rubbish strewn outside I can’t blame them, they aren’t very good neighbours

Bubblecar said:

Skunkworks said:

Nazis, worse than Daleks.

Though I reckon you could draw a lot of parallels between Nazis and Daleks if you were the sort to waffle using words like paradigm and conceptually juxtaposed a lot.

Terry Nation actually based the Daleks on the Nazis, which is particularly clear in Genesis of the Daleks, his best Dalek story.

Just watching the SBS Friday Night Nazis and it just struck me how evocative of a tank, the Dalek is. Gliding motion, armour and weaponry outthrust the tank main gun barrel the Daleks eye. Daleks even have a coax machine gun equivalent.

>Just watching the SBS Friday Night Nazis and it just struck me how evocative of a tank, the Dalek is. Gliding motion, armour and weaponry outthrust the tank main gun barrel the Daleks eye. Daleks even have a coax machine gun equivalent.

Big difference being that tanks are all-terrain and Daleks are strictly smooth terrain (or were until they belatedly made them able to fly).