Date: 13/04/2013 23:34:24
From: purple
ID: 294750
Subject: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

would a person writing on the internet, when telling about their experiences, put “the voices” “them” in quotation marks?
eg I cannot play music, write, read or do anything without “permission” from “them”
I’m calling shenanigans

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Date: 13/04/2013 23:35:31
From: wookiemeister
ID: 294752
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

“wookiemeister” makes me do things

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Date: 13/04/2013 23:38:22
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 294757
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

purple said:


would a person writing on the internet, when telling about their experiences, put “the voices” “them” in quotation marks?
eg I cannot play music, write, read or do anything without “permission” from “them”
I’m calling shenanigans

Depends how aware of their condition they are. I have heard some talk similarly.

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Date: 13/04/2013 23:55:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 294766
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

http://www.songsouponsea.com/index2.html

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Date: 13/04/2013 23:56:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 294767
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

roughbarked said:


http://www.songsouponsea.com/index2.html

http://www.songsouponsea.com/Promenade/lyrics/SchizoidMan.html

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Date: 13/04/2013 23:59:03
From: purple
ID: 294769
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

OK. I’m being judgmental I know.
thats why I’m asking here :)

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:00:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 294771
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

purple said:


OK. I’m being judgmental I know.
thats why I’m asking here :)

not a good place for judgements.

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:02:33
From: purple
ID: 294772
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

huh?roughbarked said:


purple said:

OK. I’m being judgmental I know.
thats why I’m asking here :)

not a good place for judgements.

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:04:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 294773
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

purple said:


roughbarked said:

purple said:

OK. I’m being judgmental I know.
thats why I’m asking here :)

not a good place for judgements.


huh?


Well

here comes the Judge!

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:04:12
From: kii
ID: 294774
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

purple said:


would a person writing on the internet, when telling about their experiences, put “the voices” “them” in quotation marks?
eg I cannot play music, write, read or do anything without “permission” from “them”
I’m calling shenanigans

Why worry about what someone puts on the internet, I mean look at this place.

As someone else pointed out – the person may have insight into their illness.

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:06:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 294775
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

kii said:


purple said:

would a person writing on the internet, when telling about their experiences, put “the voices” “them” in quotation marks?
eg I cannot play music, write, read or do anything without “permission” from “them”
I’m calling shenanigans

Why worry about what someone puts on the internet, I mean look at this place.

As someone else pointed out – the person may have insight into their illness.

indeed.. or not. what matter.. if you are the judge then you must stand by your decision.

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:08:11
From: purple
ID: 294776
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

FFS.
(can someone delete this thread)
seems you can’t ask stuff anymore

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:08:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 294777
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

purple said:


FFS.
(can someone delete this thread)
seems you can’t ask stuff anymore

what do you actually want to ask?

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:10:37
From: kii
ID: 294778
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

purple said:


FFS.
(can someone delete this thread)
seems you can’t ask stuff anymore

It’s like arguing with rednecks from South Georgia, but with Australian accents.

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:11:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 294779
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

kii said:


purple said:

FFS.
(can someone delete this thread)
seems you can’t ask stuff anymore

It’s like arguing with rednecks from South Georgia, but with Australian accents.

thanks..

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:11:11
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 294780
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

hhmmm. Apparently schizoid personality disorder doesn’t require the involvement of voices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:11:34
From: Kingy
ID: 294781
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

purple said:


FFS.
(can someone delete this thread)
seems you can’t ask stuff anymore

Hiya Purps,

I often have people tell me that I can’t do something.

They often are told where to go.

You can do this too.

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:11:43
From: kii
ID: 294782
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

…and of course you can ask stuff, you might not like the responses and that is part of the internet’s “joy”

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:11:56
From: Stealth
ID: 294783
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

kii said:


purple said:

FFS.
(can someone delete this thread)
seems you can’t ask stuff anymore

It’s like arguing with rednecks from South Georgia, but with Australian accents.


Accents Kii? or dialect?

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:12:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 294784
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

Kingy said:


purple said:

FFS.
(can someone delete this thread)
seems you can’t ask stuff anymore

Hiya Purps,

I often have people tell me that I can’t do something.

They often are told where to go.

You can do this too.

yep

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:12:27
From: kii
ID: 294785
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

roughbarked said:


kii said:

purple said:

FFS.
(can someone delete this thread)
seems you can’t ask stuff anymore

It’s like arguing with rednecks from South Georgia, but with Australian accents.

thanks..

You’re welcome! (said in my best American accent :P)

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:12:44
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 294786
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

kii said:


It’s like arguing with rednecks from South Georgia, but with Australian accents.

If South Georgian rednecks had Aussie accents they would better liked globally!

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:13:29
From: kii
ID: 294787
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

Stealth said:

Accents Kii? or dialect?

Yes.

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:13:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 294788
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

Riff-in-Thyme said:


kii said:

It’s like arguing with rednecks from South Georgia, but with Australian accents.

If South Georgian rednecks had Aussie accents they would better liked globally!

you have a point.

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:14:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 294789
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

They or them.. don’t always have to be voices.. if they are voices for you.. it is OK..

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:17:00
From: Kingy
ID: 294790
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

kii said:


purple said:

FFS.
(can someone delete this thread)
seems you can’t ask stuff anymore

It’s like arguing with rednecks from South Georgia, but with Australian accents.

They didn’t have these in South Australia,

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:19:01
From: Stealth
ID: 294791
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

Kingy said:


kii said:

purple said:

FFS.
(can someone delete this thread)
seems you can’t ask stuff anymore

It’s like arguing with rednecks from South Georgia, but with Australian accents.

They didn’t have these in South Australia,



I am pretty sure you could find a Charger in SA.

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:20:01
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 294792
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

Kingy said:


They didn’t have these in South Australia,


Gees. Can you tell which car wasn’t jumped over anything that stuck out of the ground?

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:20:16
From: kii
ID: 294793
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

Kingy said:

They didn’t have these in South Australia,

We see heaps of those around here, well, 2 or 3 :P

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:20:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 294794
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

Riff-in-Thyme said:


Kingy said:

They didn’t have these in South Australia,


Gees. Can you tell which car wasn’t jumped over anything that stuck out of the ground?

That’s why they need so many of them.

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:25:11
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 294798
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

roughbarked said:


That’s why they need so many of them.

How many “Eleanor’s” were need for Gone in 60 seconds? Was it 12?

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:25:43
From: morrie
ID: 294799
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

When I was a teenager, my father came home one day with a brand new bright red Charger rather like that. He must have been having a mid life crisis or something like that. I would sometimes be allowed to borrow it. That was kind of fun.

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Date: 14/04/2013 00:29:37
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 294805
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

morrie said:


When I was a teenager, my father came home one day with a brand new bright red Charger rather like that. He must have been having a mid life crisis or something like that. I would sometimes be allowed to borrow it. That was kind of fun.

I’ve heard some great stories from the 60’s and 70’s. I met a guy who bought a 351 gt from Allan Moffat’s team. He blew the head, ripped them off and then ordered the biggest valves available because of the size of the holes he found. When they arrived they fell straight through. Moffat’s crew had fitted truck valves into the thing.

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Date: 14/04/2013 07:51:08
From: poikilotherm
ID: 294832
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

purple said:


would a person writing on the internet, when telling about their experiences, put “the voices” “them” in quotation marks?
eg I cannot play music, write, read or do anything without “permission” from “them”
I’m calling shenanigans

Most are well aware of the voices when they have ‘insight’ -i.e. not during a psychotic episode.

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Date: 14/04/2013 09:02:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 294842
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

poikilotherm said:


purple said:

would a person writing on the internet, when telling about their experiences, put “the voices” “them” in quotation marks?
eg I cannot play music, write, read or do anything without “permission” from “them”
I’m calling shenanigans

Most are well aware of the voices when they have ‘insight’ -i.e. not during a psychotic episode.

Yes, you’d expect that the antipsychotic drugs do actually work.

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Date: 14/04/2013 09:07:43
From: kii
ID: 294844
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

poikilotherm said:

Most are well aware of the voices when they have ‘insight’ -i.e. not during a psychotic episode.

My understanding is that the “insight” does not occur for some people. Some people don’t gain any insight to the illness when on anti-psychotic medication.

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Date: 14/04/2013 09:43:48
From: poikilotherm
ID: 294856
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

kii said:


poikilotherm said:

Most are well aware of the voices when they have ‘insight’ -i.e. not during a psychotic episode.

My understanding is that the “insight” does not occur for some people. Some people don’t gain any insight to the illness when on anti-psychotic medication.

Hence why I said ‘most’ – the ones that don’t are not as common IME (worked on x2 psych wards)

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Date: 14/04/2013 10:01:55
From: kii
ID: 294862
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

poikilotherm said:


kii said:

poikilotherm said:

Most are well aware of the voices when they have ‘insight’ -i.e. not during a psychotic episode.

My understanding is that the “insight” does not occur for some people. Some people don’t gain any insight to the illness when on anti-psychotic medication.

Hence why I said ‘most’ – the ones that don’t are not as common IME (worked on x2 psych wards)

Well, yes…I worded that in a clumsy way. I was trying to agree with /extend your comment. My experience is limited to 3 family members. Unfortunately.

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Date: 14/04/2013 10:04:29
From: poikilotherm
ID: 294863
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

kii said:


poikilotherm said:

kii said:

My understanding is that the “insight” does not occur for some people. Some people don’t gain any insight to the illness when on anti-psychotic medication.

Hence why I said ‘most’ – the ones that don’t are not as common IME (worked on x2 psych wards)

Well, yes…I worded that in a clumsy way. I was trying to agree with /extend your comment. My experience is limited to 3 family members. Unfortunately.

Ah, I see.

On all accounts, it doesn’t seem pleasant.

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Date: 14/04/2013 19:25:36
From: buffy
ID: 295088
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

Mr buffy thinks when they are in a “normal” phase they probably won’t be writing about their other phase. He thinks at least some of them don’t really have awareness that there is another phase.

I’ve only ever seen my patients when they are medicated and the medication is working. And although some of them might be called weird…..so could a lot of my so-called normal people. I usually only know someone has this sort of condition because I ask what medications people take.

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Date: 14/04/2013 19:27:54
From: Skunkworks
ID: 295089
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

How hard to fake hearing voices that command you to do stuff?

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Date: 14/04/2013 20:51:59
From: jennajones
ID: 295118
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

Skunkworks said:


How hard to fake hearing voices that command you to do stuff?

Fairly hard I would have thought. Command hallucinations are usually pretty unpleasant and accompanied by other symptoms.

Of course, just because it’s hard doesn’t mean it’s impossible.

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Date: 14/04/2013 21:50:58
From: wookiemeister
ID: 295136
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

buffy said:

Mr buffy thinks when they are in a “normal” phase they probably won’t be writing about their other phase. He thinks at least some of them don’t really have awareness that there is another phase.

I’ve only ever seen my patients when they are medicated and the medication is working. And although some of them might be called weird…..so could a lot of my so-called normal people. I usually only know someone has this sort of condition because I ask what medications people take.


truly mad people don’t know that they are mad, everything they do and think is perfectly normal

if you question your actions and your thoughts then there’s a good chance you are sane, mad people rarely do.

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Date: 14/04/2013 21:52:51
From: wookiemeister
ID: 295137
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

:-) / :-(

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Date: 14/04/2013 21:53:06
From: wookiemeister
ID: 295138
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

wookiemeister said:

:-) / :-(

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Date: 14/04/2013 21:53:33
From: wookiemeister
ID: 295139
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

that doesn’t seem to be translating that well

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Date: 15/04/2013 19:53:53
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 295572
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

> Mr buffy thinks when they are in a “normal” phase they probably won’t be writing about their other phase. He thinks at least some of them don’t really have awareness that there is another phase. I’ve only ever seen my patients when they are medicated and the medication is working. And although some of them might be called weird…..so could a lot of my so-called normal people.

I totally agree with that on every point. The people I know and have known with schizophrenia, with one exception, have it under control with medication. So they could easily talk about it in quotes. That one exception I only met once, when he was in a severe depressive episode coupled with self-denial, and I certainly didn’t want to talk to him about his hearing voices at the time.

I have heard voices of this sort myself, but am not schizophrenic and never have been. I was aware of their urging me to do things as manifestations of Freudian archetypes, so was able to turn the tables on them.

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Date: 15/04/2013 19:59:37
From: wookiemeister
ID: 295574
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

I’ve met one fellah who might hear voices occasionally in the past

he reckoned he had been banged up in long bay after committing a crime under the influence of acid

he got clean and didn’t have other episodes – he reckoned the acid was making him hear the voices

oh yes he told me that he felt he could communicate with people telepathically whilst in that drug dependency period

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Date: 15/04/2013 19:59:49
From: wookiemeister
ID: 295575
Subject: re: schizophrenia/schizoid stuff

I’ve met one fellah who might hear voices occasionally in the past

he reckoned he had been banged up in long bay after committing a crime under the influence of acid

he got clean and didn’t have other episodes – he reckoned the acid was making him hear the voices

oh yes he told me that he felt he could communicate with people telepathically whilst in that drug dependency period

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