Looking for some suggestions on documentaries or books that cove the history of the middle east. There seems to be a shed load out there about the Palestine/Israel conflict but I’m looking for something a bit broader.
Thanks in advance
The Middle East: A Brief History of the Last 2,000 Years – Lewis, is on my bookshelf (I had to turn around to find it). I read it about 10 years ago, and it seemed a decent overview,
‘A Concise History of the Middle East’ – Arthur Goldschmidt Jr – Westview Press
‘ A History of the Modern Middle East’ – William L Cleveland
diddly-squat said:
Looking for some suggestions on documentaries or books that cove the history of the middle east. There seems to be a shed load out there about the Palestine/Israel conflict but I’m looking for something a bit broader.
Thanks in advance
you need to be aware of what other cultures were roughly doing
you probably need a white board to make something like a mind map showing an initial sketch how the whole thing fits together
you need to read between the lines, try to see if the historian is twisting or neglecting the facts (and they do)
if you are going to concentrate on events you’ll need to see what happened before and the consequences of the event, concentrating on the event itself will lead you down a trail of figures and facts rather than a comprehensive understanding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc8m9DHxH4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayQijCoayo8
these Civilizations doco’s might be a quick way to get an overview
Not the original version ( Tom Lehera I think) but you will get the idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8-BI89mb9A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFi1yXOMRoM
john romer did a splendid series about the seven wonders of the world
after watching his series I then went and visited the sites he went to
the only site I haven’t seen is the hanging gardens of babylon
when Iraq opens up again i’ll go and see what I can of the historical sites , I should have visited them when saddam was in power , things were safer then.. likewise I should have visited leptis magna when ghadaffi was in. Syria was relatively safe to visit and I visited before the storm broke – great currency exchange.
wookiemeister said:
when Iraq opens up again i’ll go and see what I can of the historical sites , I should have visited them when saddam was in power , things were safer then.. likewise I should have visited leptis magna when ghadaffi was in. Syria was relatively safe to visit and I visited before the storm broke – great currency exchange.
You should have visited Iraq before the vandals looted and pillaged.
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
when Iraq opens up again i’ll go and see what I can of the historical sites , I should have visited them when saddam was in power , things were safer then.. likewise I should have visited leptis magna when ghadaffi was in. Syria was relatively safe to visit and I visited before the storm broke – great currency exchange.
You should have visited Iraq before the vandals looted and pillaged.
the british used to run the place you know
did the vandals get that far south?i thought they were more a northern european mob along with the goths?
everyman and his dog used to sack rome
the gauls started the trend
woe to the vanquished
In 390 BC, an army of Gauls led by Brennus attacked Rome, capturing all of the city except for the Capitoline Hill, which was successfully held against them. Brennus besieged the hill, and finally the Romans asked to ransom their city. Brennus demanded 1,000 pounds (327 kg) of gold (> €13,250,000), and the Romans agreed to his terms.
Boris said:
did the vandals get that far south?i thought they were more a northern european mob along with the goths?
Almost..
In the 420s, much of Spain was the playground of the ferocious Vandal tribes, who had arrived there in 409 after crossing the Rhine in 406. The Vandals, under pressure from the local Romans and the expanding Visigoths, decided to move on to the rich provinces of Roman North Africa; they elected as their king a crippled son of a slave, Gaiseric. This proud, ruthless king was a gifted conspirator and a genius of political maneuver. For 50 years, Gaiseric’s web of entangling treaties foiled the plans of Roman diplomats and Germanic kings, always to the Vandals’ advantage.In 429, Gaiseric ferried all of his people across the Strait of Gibraltar and led them east along the African coast. One by one, the gleaming Roman cities with their abundant granaries fell to the hungry Vandals. The people of Hippo were rallied to the defense of their town by their bishop, Augustine. St. Augustine died in his city during the 14-month-long Vandal siege. In the end, Hippo, too, passed into the barbarian hands. The Vandal conquest of North Africa took a decade to complete. Cleaning up operations were still going on when Gaiseric turned restlessly to a new project: he built a swift fleet and launched himself on a lucrative career of piracy in the Mediterranean Sea.
roughbarked said:
Boris said:
did the vandals get that far south?i thought they were more a northern european mob along with the goths?
Almost..
In the 420s, much of Spain was the playground of the ferocious Vandal tribes, who had arrived there in 409 after crossing the Rhine in 406. The Vandals, under pressure from the local Romans and the expanding Visigoths, decided to move on to the rich provinces of Roman North Africa; they elected as their king a crippled son of a slave, Gaiseric. This proud, ruthless king was a gifted conspirator and a genius of political maneuver. For 50 years, Gaiseric’s web of entangling treaties foiled the plans of Roman diplomats and Germanic kings, always to the Vandals’ advantage.In 429, Gaiseric ferried all of his people across the Strait of Gibraltar and led them east along the African coast. One by one, the gleaming Roman cities with their abundant granaries fell to the hungry Vandals. The people of Hippo were rallied to the defense of their town by their bishop, Augustine. St. Augustine died in his city during the 14-month-long Vandal siege. In the end, Hippo, too, passed into the barbarian hands. The Vandal conquest of North Africa took a decade to complete. Cleaning up operations were still going on when Gaiseric turned restlessly to a new project: he built a swift fleet and launched himself on a lucrative career of piracy in the Mediterranean Sea.
Don’t forget the Alans. As bad as the Normans, when it comes to wandering off and starting new countries. Not sure how they compare to Franks and Scots, but still more well known than the Rogers and Percivals.
Angus Prune said:
roughbarked said:
Boris said:
did the vandals get that far south?i thought they were more a northern european mob along with the goths?
Almost..
In the 420s, much of Spain was the playground of the ferocious Vandal tribes, who had arrived there in 409 after crossing the Rhine in 406. The Vandals, under pressure from the local Romans and the expanding Visigoths, decided to move on to the rich provinces of Roman North Africa; they elected as their king a crippled son of a slave, Gaiseric. This proud, ruthless king was a gifted conspirator and a genius of political maneuver. For 50 years, Gaiseric’s web of entangling treaties foiled the plans of Roman diplomats and Germanic kings, always to the Vandals’ advantage.In 429, Gaiseric ferried all of his people across the Strait of Gibraltar and led them east along the African coast. One by one, the gleaming Roman cities with their abundant granaries fell to the hungry Vandals. The people of Hippo were rallied to the defense of their town by their bishop, Augustine. St. Augustine died in his city during the 14-month-long Vandal siege. In the end, Hippo, too, passed into the barbarian hands. The Vandal conquest of North Africa took a decade to complete. Cleaning up operations were still going on when Gaiseric turned restlessly to a new project: he built a swift fleet and launched himself on a lucrative career of piracy in the Mediterranean Sea.
Don’t forget the Alans. As bad as the Normans, when it comes to wandering off and starting new countries. Not sure how they compare to Franks and Scots, but still more well known than the Rogers and Percivals.
Their surname could easily have been Barbaro.
roughbarked said:
Angus Prune said:
roughbarked said:Almost..
In the 420s, much of Spain was the playground of the ferocious Vandal tribes, who had arrived there in 409 after crossing the Rhine in 406. The Vandals, under pressure from the local Romans and the expanding Visigoths, decided to move on to the rich provinces of Roman North Africa; they elected as their king a crippled son of a slave, Gaiseric. This proud, ruthless king was a gifted conspirator and a genius of political maneuver. For 50 years, Gaiseric’s web of entangling treaties foiled the plans of Roman diplomats and Germanic kings, always to the Vandals’ advantage.In 429, Gaiseric ferried all of his people across the Strait of Gibraltar and led them east along the African coast. One by one, the gleaming Roman cities with their abundant granaries fell to the hungry Vandals. The people of Hippo were rallied to the defense of their town by their bishop, Augustine. St. Augustine died in his city during the 14-month-long Vandal siege. In the end, Hippo, too, passed into the barbarian hands. The Vandal conquest of North Africa took a decade to complete. Cleaning up operations were still going on when Gaiseric turned restlessly to a new project: he built a swift fleet and launched himself on a lucrative career of piracy in the Mediterranean Sea.
Don’t forget the Alans. As bad as the Normans, when it comes to wandering off and starting new countries. Not sure how they compare to Franks and Scots, but still more well known than the Rogers and Percivals.
Their surname could easily have been Barbaro.
What about Rogers? they rogered most of the world.
bob(from black rock) said:
roughbarked said:
Angus Prune said:Don’t forget the Alans. As bad as the Normans, when it comes to wandering off and starting new countries. Not sure how they compare to Franks and Scots, but still more well known than the Rogers and Percivals.
Their surname could easily have been Barbaro.
What about Rogers? they rogered most of the world.
Because Barbaro = barbarian.
bob(from black rock) said:
What about Rogers? they rogered most of the world.
With the notable exception of the Roger Dodgers.
or
And their baseball team, the Roger Dodgers.
or
Feared especially for driving overly large chariots everywhere, their Roger Dodges.
I thought the Greeks were the original Roger dodgers?
meanwhile if you google “attack on iran” you’ll see that they haven’t been idle
whilst its not being reported in our media the media of other countries is rife with theon going threat to start another war in the middle east
Questions fly around any plan to attack Iran
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/22/world/meast/iran-nuclear-israel-us
Israeli attack on Iran would trigger world war III: diplomat
Political Desk
On Line: 12 April 2013 16:39
In Print: Saturday 13 April 2013
http://tehrantimes.com/politics/106763-israeli-attack-on-iran-would-trigger-world-war-iii-diplomat
Israel has attacked Iran before.. fizzer.
roughbarked said:
Israel has attacked Iran before.. fizzer.
its no wonder the Iranians stopped negotiating , if you are continually being threatened to be attack you stop negotiating and prepare for war
wookiemeister said:
roughbarked said:
Israel has attacked Iran before.. fizzer.
its been going on for yearsits no wonder the Iranians stopped negotiating , if you are continually being threatened to be attack you stop negotiating and prepare for war
Well that’s what keeps the munitions industries in the black.
Israel May Fast-Track Plans to Attack Iran
Friday, 12 Apr 2013 04:49 PM
By David A. Patten
Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/israel-iran-korea-nukes/2013/04/12/id/499262#ixzz2QRmWdNkX
a war in korea would be interesting
exactly what systems does n korea have?
if you were bristling with SAMs I wonder if the American airforce would be so bold in launching strikes? if they were taking down large numbers of aircraft coming over to bomb installations how many days would it be before the air attack stalled?
then what?
the trump card of the American armed forces is the airforce, no airforce and the war grinds to a halt
Iraq was bombed by the air first
Libya was bombed by the air and in the revolution where the allies were giving various terrorist groups support
if Afghanistan couldn’t be flown over then that war would have ended a lot sooner than the decade or so the yanks have been there. the yanks supplied missiles to the afghans and the Russians didn’t hang around there for long – they couldn’t
assuming that dear leader isn’t bat crazy, he obviously thinks that the next war will be fought on the ground using artillery,tanks and infantry and similar, principally because aircraft won’t be able to bomb in the same way as before (no more b52s and other heavy bombers). sure you could use fancy missiles but how much do they cost? assuming that no missile defence system hasn’t been built.
north korea has been designed to resist an American attack, no doubt they have examined the weapons of war being used and taken a strategy to resist them
in theory north korea has spent decades gaming invasion strategies as to how a strike by America might happen
does America have enough money for another war?
would there be a boost or collapse financially if the conflict broke out?
Can’t see any Rogers on this map..
if china dumped its American debt whilst the war was going on how would that affect the value of the dollar and industrial output?
wookiemeister said:
does America have enough money for another war?would there be a boost or collapse financially if the conflict broke out?
simple answer.. NO to the first.
America has traditionally done well financially, from conflict. Though I doubt it will last forever.
2 religious groups that profess understanding, charity, forgiveness and humanity, still fighting like cat and dog.
19 shillings said:
2 religious groups that profess understanding, charity, forgiveness and humanity, still fighting like cat and dog.
The strange thing is that cats and dogs know nothing about religion.
roughbarked said:
Very interesting old saying, cos you don’t often see dogs and cats fighting each other.
19 shillings said:
2 religious groups that profess understanding, charity, forgiveness and humanity, still fighting like cat and dog.
The strange thing is that cats and dogs know nothing about religion.
1. people settled in the middle east
2. they started fighting
the end
Listening to the ABC wireless this afternoon. There is something like 200 Australian born, and passport holders, over fighting in Syria.
fuckwits
sibeen said:
Listening to the ABC wireless this afternoon. There is something like 200 Australian born, and passport holders, over fighting in Syria.fuckwits
Quite a few, wookie; they also make my fuckwit list.
sibeen said:
Quite a few, wookie; they also make my fuckwit list.
if these places were so great why are they basketcases?
I find most of them are still mired with the same hatreds and distorted views that ruined their own country, why would you continue that?
sibeen said:
Quite a few, wookie; they also make my fuckwit list.
if these places were so great why are they basketcases?
I find most of them are still mired with the same hatreds and distorted views that ruined their own country, why would you continue that?
holiday forum seems slow tonight
how many travel to Israel to fight in the IDF
IDFK!
sibeen said:
Quite a few, wookie; they also make my fuckwit list.
How many aussies went back to fight for England in the Boer War and WWI? People will always have an emotional attachment to “home”.
Angus Prune said:
sibeen said:
Quite a few, wookie; they also make my fuckwit list.
How many aussies went back to fight for England in the Boer War and WWI? People will always have an emotional attachment to “home”.
after 1901 Australia invested heavily into potplants
wookiemeister said:
Angus Prune said:
sibeen said:
Quite a few, wookie; they also make my fuckwit list.
How many aussies went back to fight for England in the Boer War and WWI? People will always have an emotional attachment to “home”.
Australia didn’t really exist then, it still administered by Britainafter 1901 Australia invested heavily into potplants
the union jack is still in the Australian flag
I don’t see the crescent moon or the star of david in the flag yet
the flag might be changed with the “new republic”
senator palpatines got some very good ideas , I think he’s the man who will lead us to the sunlight upland
I’m looking for a meta for the middle east.
thinks
If your body was like the world the middle east would be your arsehole during a bout of cholera.
Peak Warming Man said:
I’m looking for a meta for the middle east.thinks
If your body was like the world the middle east would be your arsehole during a bout of cholera.
More like the colon, PWM, That’s where all the cholera turmoil is.
> Looking for some suggestions on documentaries or books that cover the history of the middle east.
If you want to start at the very beginning, and I suggest you do, then read:
Herodotus “The Histories”
written about 440 BC. I prefer the paperback but it’s on the web at http://classics.mit.edu/Herodotus/history.html
This fantastic set of nine books in one covers in detail the wars between the Greeks and the Persians, as well as lifestyles, politics and history of all the peoples east of Greece known to the ancient Greeks. It’s extremely readable and great fun. Do NOT read Homer – it’s pure fiction. If you want to know what really happened to Helen of Troy for example, read Herodotus.
mollwollfumble said:
> Looking for some suggestions on documentaries or books that cover the history of the middle east.If you want to start at the very beginning, and I suggest you do, then read:
Herodotus “The Histories”
written about 440 BC. I prefer the paperback but it’s on the web at http://classics.mit.edu/Herodotus/history.htmlThis fantastic set of nine books in one covers in detail the wars between the Greeks and the Persians, as well as lifestyles, politics and history of all the peoples east of Greece known to the ancient Greeks. It’s extremely readable and great fun. Do NOT read Homer – it’s pure fiction. If you want to know what really happened to Helen of Troy for example, read Herodotus.
the myths show whats ticking in the brainbox