poikilotherm said:

Derp

Amanita muscaria?

Where were you?

dv said:

Amanita muscaria?

Where were you?

Central West NSW.

Reckon that’s it.

It’s not good tucker…

Sure looks like Amanita muscaria.

dv said:

Reckon that’s it.

It’s not good tucker…

Nasty one, I think they use extracts of that stuff to stop RNA Polymerase reactions (or was that DNA)…anyhoo, tons of ‘em about. Plus some plain looking brown capped ones.

Michael V said:

Sure looks like Amanita muscaria.

+1

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

Amanita muscaria?

Where were you?

Central West NSW.

In a pine forest?

PM 2Ring said:

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

Amanita muscaria?

Where were you?

Central West NSW.

In a pine forest?

Yep.

Wait…is this the psychedelic one or the kill you one? Or both?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

Although it is generally considered poisonous, there are no documented human deaths from its consumption, and it is eaten as a food in parts of Europe, Asia, and North America after parboiling. Amanita muscaria is noted for its hallucinogenic properties, with its main psychoactive constituent being the compound muscimol. It was used as an intoxicant and entheogen by the peoples of Siberia, and has a religious significance in these cultures.

There has been much speculation on traditional use of this mushroom as an intoxicant in places other than Siberia, but such traditions are far less well documented. The American banker and amateur ethnomycologist R. Gordon Wasson proposed that the fly agaric was the soma of the ancient Rig Veda texts of India; since its introduction in 1968 this theory has gained both followers and detractors in anthropological literature.

Pine forests are the typical place to find Amanita muscaria.

So, has it been introduced to Australia?

Ah, I was thinking it was this for some reason http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_phalloides

As you can tell, I’ve NFI about shrooms. Other than those found in Super Mario Bros.

sibeen said:

So, has it been introduced to Australia?

wiki seems to say ‘yes’.

sibeen said:

So, has it been introduced to Australia?

.

likely.

Some people reckon A muscaria are great, but most psychoactive mushroom lovers prefer psilocybin varieties.

From Wikipedia:

Native throughout the temperate and boreal regions of the Northern Hemisphere, Amanita muscaria has been unintentionally introduced to many countries in the southern hemisphere, generally as a symbiont with pine plantations, and is now a true cosmopolitan species. It associates with various deciduous and coniferous trees.

We have a visiting fellow at the faculty of fungus right here on this very forum, he probably wrote the wiki article.

We have a visiting fellow at the faculty of fungus right here on this very forum, he probably wrote the wiki article.

some people call him maurice…

Peak Warming Man said:

We have a visiting fellow at the faculty of fungus right here on this very forum, he probably wrote the wiki article.

Was hoping he was lurking…there were some other plain brown similar shaped mushrooms there as well…should’ve photoed ‘em too.

poikilotherm said:

Other than those found in Super Mario Bros.

Are you sure you know anything about those ones either?

like this?

Orange Birch Bolete aka The Fox (Leccinum versipelle)

Are they sponge like under the cap bit?

I just saw the picture.

Ingest it?

I’d prefer to call in an air-strike. Napalm, if it’s available.

Discussion on using A. muscaria as a tripping drug:

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?s=b1c7dc23d3d0764c3e278e8a6ffad72a&showtopic=21028

isnt this fungus pretty
http://imgur.com/gallery/etiGaHm

its
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydnellum_peckii

CrazyNeutrino said:

isnt this fungus pretty
http://imgur.com/gallery/etiGaHm

its
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydnellum_peckii

Oh, yeah. I’d wolf that down.

Bit peckiish?

dv said:

Bit peckiish?

How could you resist? All pink and puffy, with those lovely red bits. Mmmm…

Bed and book for me, too, now.

Plantations of Pinus radiata are the easiest place to find them, though it actually also occurs in the gardens at Old Parliament House, Canberra. On Elms and Oaks.

Essentially speaking they came with the pines to Australia.

Damn, I have been working all day and missed a shroom thread. :(

morrie said:

Damn, I have been working all day and missed a shroom thread. :(

I have a question.

Brown capped mushroom, slightly smaller than Amanita in pic, same shape. Sponge like on underside, any idea? Or not enough info?

poikilotherm said:

morrie said:

Damn, I have been working all day and missed a shroom thread. :(

I have a question.

Brown capped mushroom, slightly smaller than Amanita in pic, same shape. Sponge like on underside, any idea? Or not enough info?

Sponge sounds like a Bolete.

poikilotherm said:

morrie said:

Damn, I have been working all day and missed a shroom thread. :(

I have a question.

Brown capped mushroom, slightly smaller than Amanita in pic, same shape. Sponge like on underside, any idea? Or not enough info?

Not enough info. Possible Suillus luteus or granulatus, particularly if the cap is slimey. Very common under pines.

morrie said:

poikilotherm said:

morrie said:

Damn, I have been working all day and missed a shroom thread. :(

I have a question.

Brown capped mushroom, slightly smaller than Amanita in pic, same shape. Sponge like on underside, any idea? Or not enough info?

Not enough info. Possible Suillus luteus or granulatus, particularly if the cap is slimey. Very common under pines.

Wasn’t slimey.

Should have taken a photo.

poikilotherm said:

Should have taken a photo.

Yep. More than one photo from all angles.

not always slimey

slippery jack

Shite. Ads appearing. No guess where that has come from.

Interestingly (well, to me, anyway), there is a lookalike for that mushroom:

Some years ago we ID’d this one for me in Scribbly as Amanita xanthocephala. It’s an Australian one. The white stuff is remnant veil and patchier than for the fly agaric. This one is a lot smaller too, at only 60mm across. The A.muscaria can be 200mm across according to Fuhrer.

Hi Buffy,

I would not have picked A. xanthocephala for that one. They are usually quite a dimunitive thing with a rather thin stem, in my experience.

The one in the photo was actually rather small. I think I must have zoomed it up quite a lot. I’ve only ever seen the one that I can remember, and from memory I think it was about the size of a 20cent coin.

That sounds right.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/8616560/Experts-warn-of-poison-danger

neomyrtus_ said:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/8616560/Experts-warn-of-poison-danger

The poisoning potential of Fly Agaric seems to vary from reference to reference (if calling various intertube places a ‘reference’ is ok…).

poikilotherm said:

neomyrtus_ said:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/8616560/Experts-warn-of-poison-danger

The poisoning potential of Fly Agaric seems to vary from reference to reference (if calling various intertube places a ‘reference’ is ok…).

never mind. The message pre-interweb was always; beware handle with care only if aware.

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

neomyrtus_ said:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/8616560/Experts-warn-of-poison-danger

The poisoning potential of Fly Agaric seems to vary from reference to reference (if calling various intertube places a ‘reference’ is ok…).

never mind. The message pre-interweb was always; beware handle with care only if aware.

Mythology has it that the Sami people of Finland used to feed fly agaric to reindeer and drink the reindeer’s urine. The reindeer kidney was supposed to filter out the toxin but leave the hallucinogen.

Dunno if that’s a rural myth or not.

pommiejohn said:

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

The poisoning potential of Fly Agaric seems to vary from reference to reference (if calling various intertube places a ‘reference’ is ok…).

never mind. The message pre-interweb was always; beware handle with care only if aware.

Not quite that extreme, but apparently some European cultures slice it up and boil it, the toxins being water soluble are removed, supposedly.

Mythology has it that the Sami people of Finland used to feed fly agaric to reindeer and drink the reindeer’s urine. The reindeer kidney was supposed to filter out the toxin but leave the hallucinogen.

Dunno if that’s a rural myth or not.

poikilotherm said:

pommiejohn said:

roughbarked said:

never mind. The message pre-interweb was always; beware handle with care only if aware.

Not quite that extreme, but apparently some European cultures slice it up and boil it, the toxins being water soluble are removed, supposedly.

Mythology has it that the Sami people of Finland used to feed fly agaric to reindeer and drink the reindeer’s urine. The reindeer kidney was supposed to filter out the toxin but leave the hallucinogen.

Dunno if that’s a rural myth or not.

.

poikilotherm said:

poikilotherm said:

pommiejohn said:

.

. haven’t we been through this already?

my link was just a heads up general time of year link – do you particularly wish to eat fly agarics?

poik’s suffering the hallucinations.

neomyrtus_ said:

my link was just a heads up general time of year link – do you particularly wish to eat fly agarics?

No, not really a fan of any flavour of mushroom, just curious. The price for mis-identification seems rather high.

Divine Angel said:

poik’s suffering the hallucinations.

Miss Apprehensions
engaged to Master illusionist.

poikilotherm said:

neomyrtus_ said:

my link was just a heads up general time of year link – do you particularly wish to eat fly agarics?

No, not really a fan of any flavour of mushroom, just curious. The price for mis-identification seems rather high.

The point is.. if it has a rep for bad shit.. why would you?

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

neomyrtus_ said:

my link was just a heads up general time of year link – do you particularly wish to eat fly agarics?

No, not really a fan of any flavour of mushroom, just curious. The price for mis-identification seems rather high.

The point is.. if it has a rep for bad shit.. why would you?

It has a mixed rep, many things have mixed reps, not all are deserving.

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

No, not really a fan of any flavour of mushroom, just curious. The price for mis-identification seems rather high.

The point is.. if it has a rep for bad shit.. why would you?

It has a mixed rep, many things have mixed reps, not all are deserving.

in that case limit your bite to half ERII’s head on your average dina.

poikilotherm said:

It has a mixed rep, many things have mixed reps, not all are deserving.

you have a good species ID, why not search in journals on that?

for example:
http://namyco.org/toxicology/tox_report_30year.html
http://namyco.org/images/pdf_files/Poisonings30year.pdf
(table 5)

neomyrtus_ said:

poikilotherm said:

It has a mixed rep, many things have mixed reps, not all are deserving.

you have a good species ID, why not search in journals on that?

for example:
http://namyco.org/toxicology/tox_report_30year.html
http://namyco.org/images/pdf_files/Poisonings30year.pdf
(table 5)

Didn’t have the time. Until now, when all the customers/patients seem to have disappeared.

Thanks.

Interesting;

“In examining animal poisoning cases, we were
struck by how frequently dogs (and even cats)
consume either Amanita muscaria or Amanita
pantherina. Neither of these species is deadly in
humans,”

“One death from freezing to death in a tent
after consuming the mushrooms.”