TN Couldn’t Decide Whether Andrea Jones Is Male Or Female, So They Arrested Her

Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/tn-couldnt-decide-whether-andrea-jones-is-male-or-female-so-they-arrested-her-20111116/#ixzz2TLALzSoP

from one of the comments

“chromosomes can be more complicated than just XX or XY, and gender is more nuanced than that”

Seems the Tennessee police are very easily confused.

I’d like to add that I’ve read three news stories from queerty.com and I am not yet gay. According to one story I read on there, reading gay news makes one gay. Perhaps I need to keep reading.

It seems to me that with the gay rights community becoming more mainstream in America and elsewhere, that the awareness of transgender people are also becoming under the social spotlight as well, like that story in the Toilet Dilemma thread

and its catching schools and authorities by surprise, they cannot deal with it very well, because of lack of training concerning differences in sexuality,

my first impression with that story is the Tennessee DMV office viewed the matter in the negative, is this person changing identity for criminal intent, or perhaps in some other way, but somehow viewed in the negative or simply not knowing what to do

lack of training, lack of awareness, lack of acceptance and so on

people need to know there is a range, spectrum of sexual differences, and schools authorities, hospitals etc need to know how to normalize? various different social needs for people

and I’m speaking from a heterosexual/bisexual viewpoint, I’m more hetro than bi, just saying, so folks know that

CrazyNeutrino said:

and I’m speaking from a heterosexual/bisexual viewpoint, I’m more hetro than bi, just saying, so folks know that

How many items did you read on queerty?

Plus… agree with you on points of needing to normalise people and label them. Outside the box and they don’t know what to do.

Divine Angel said:

I’d like to add that I’ve read three news stories from queerty.com and I am not yet gay. According to one story I read on there, reading gay news makes one gay. Perhaps I need to keep reading.

I was very bi going through puberty, and I think people can change sexual orientation through age, complex chemistry, and perhaps many other ways, genetics, epi-genetics, and other reasons not known to us, maybe just by choice, but choice I think is also under some influence and it just might be Aesthetics or simply drawn to beauty

anyway I spotted that article by chance on the news aggregator site http://popurls.com/

that’s not a woman

that’s a man baby

I reckon the bloke playing the piano knows Wookies dealer.

http://vimeo.com/36053364

Peak Warming Man said:

I reckon the bloke playing the piano knows Wookies dealer.

http://vimeo.com/36053364

la la lola

silly bugger, he must have pissed on the dance floor

wookiemeister said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I reckon the bloke playing the piano knows Wookies dealer.

http://vimeo.com/36053364

la la lola

silly bugger, he must have pissed on the dance floor

well must have been pissed on the dance floor

the rest comes once you’ve been jumping around a but

oh no! I’ve already been to gay sites.
I so do not want to be gay.
I like men.
What am I going to do???

purple said:

oh no! I’ve already been to gay sites.
I so do not want to be gay.
I like men.
What am I going to do???

.

Don’t stress. There might have been a bit of literary license taken with that viewpoint…

DONGA

The term is a borrowing from South African English, where it means ‘a channel or gully formed by the action of water’. It first appears in Australian English in 1902 (a borrowing during the Boer War?), and it has come to mean ‘a broad shallow often circular depression most commonly found in dry country’. A quotation from 1913 describes an Australian donga: ‘Scattered over the plain for about twelve miles westward of Ooldea, are slight depressions having the appearance of shallow lake beds, where the soil is softer and the low monotonous blue bush gives place to thick rank grasses and clumps of stunted scrub. These … ‘dongas’ … watered only in times of heavy rain, must seem a veritable haven of refuge to the animal life of the plains’. In recent years, however, especially in bushwalking contexts, donga appears to have become also a term for ‘thick bush or scrub’. It is not entirely clear how this meaning arose.

More troublesome is a second Australian sense of donga: ‘a makeshift or temporary dwelling’. The term is now widely used in Australia to describe a demountable building. Is this sense an Australian transfer from the South African word? Or from the Australian ‘depression’? It has been assumed so, with the notion of a ‘gully’ or ‘depression’ being extended to ‘any place of shelter’. We know that in Papua New Guinea donga means ‘a house’. The second earliest piece of evidence for ‘a makeshift dwelling’ in Australian English occurs in Through: The Official Journal of Signals 8th Australian Division(Singapore, 1941): ‘The great number of mosquito proof ‘Dongas’ erected on the beach’. Is it possible that the origin of this sense lies in Papua New Guinea rather than in South Africa and the Boer War?

The stumbling block to this argument seems to be a 1900 quotation from Truth(Sydney): ‘And dossed in dongas ev’ry night/Daown in the old Dermain !’ It has been assumed that this is the first evidence for the ‘makeshift dwelling’ sense. But were these dongas in the Sydney Domain makeshift dwellings, or were they simply depressions in the ground where a tramp could take shelter? If so, we are perhaps back to WW2 for the origin of donga in the sense ‘a makeshift shelter’.

We would welcome your comments on the troublesome donga.

http://andc.anu.edu.au/pubs/ozwords/June_98/3._from_the_centre.htm

these people are quite scary

This was news like two years ago.

purple said:

these people are quite scary

Yeah, ANU is a disturbing place.

OCDC said:

purple said:

these people are quite scary

Yeah, ANU is a disturbing place.

The fact that you survived the experience proves it can’t be a death trap.

I think the headline is misleading. “

Her arrest for indecent exposure was quite conventional and appropriate. “Tennessee” didn’t have a problem deciding whether she was a man or a women. That wasn’t why she was arrested.

The Department of Motor Vehicles in one state of the USA needs to update its protocols: it’s not the biggest news in the world.

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

purple said:

these people are quite scary

Yeah, ANU is a disturbing place.

The fact that you survived the experience proves it can’t be a death trap.

You haven’t met me. You might change your opinion if you do.

OCDC said:

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

Yeah, ANU is a disturbing place.

The fact that you survived the experience proves it can’t be a death trap.

You haven’t met me. You might change your opinion if you do.

:) I remain optimistic.

I met OCDC and it changed my opinion. It changed everything.

dv said:

I met OCDC and it changed my opinion. It changed everything.

not at all surprised.

In a previous post, I referred to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

I used this phrase because one of the news sites covering the story had referred to it so.

In fact the department that handles the issuing of driver’s licences in Tennessee is the Tennessee Department of Safety.

I apologise for this error.

dv said:

In a previous post, I referred to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

I used this phrase because one of the news sites covering the story had referred to it so.

In fact the department that handles the issuing of driver’s licences in Tennessee is the Tennessee Department of Safety.

I apologise for this error.

We simplify it to RTA

roughbarked said:

dv said:

In a previous post, I referred to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

I used this phrase because one of the news sites covering the story had referred to it so.

In fact the department that handles the issuing of driver’s licences in Tennessee is the Tennessee Department of Safety.

I apologise for this error.

We simplify it to RTA

Or VicRoads.

OCDC said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

In a previous post, I referred to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

I used this phrase because one of the news sites covering the story had referred to it so.

In fact the department that handles the issuing of driver’s licences in Tennessee is the Tennessee Department of Safety.

I apologise for this error.

We simplify it to RTA

Or VicRoads.

Or what is it on the other side of the island? .. sandgropers racetrack?

roughbarked said:

dv said:

In a previous post, I referred to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

I used this phrase because one of the news sites covering the story had referred to it so.

In fact the department that handles the issuing of driver’s licences in Tennessee is the Tennessee Department of Safety.

I apologise for this error.

We simplify it to RTA

Or if we are up to date and on the ball, RMS (previously RTA).

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

In a previous post, I referred to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

I used this phrase because one of the news sites covering the story had referred to it so.

In fact the department that handles the issuing of driver’s licences in Tennessee is the Tennessee Department of Safety.

I apologise for this error.

We simplify it to RTA

Or if we are up to date and on the ball, RMS (previously RTA).

sheesh.. does this one fade my curtains?

dv said:

In a previous post, I referred to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

I used this phrase because one of the news sites covering the story had referred to it so.

In fact the department that handles the issuing of driver’s licences in Tennessee is the Tennessee Department of Safety.

I apologise for this error.

So in fact “Tennessee” (Department of Safety) did have a problem deciding whether she was a man or a women.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

In a previous post, I referred to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

I used this phrase because one of the news sites covering the story had referred to it so.

In fact the department that handles the issuing of driver’s licences in Tennessee is the Tennessee Department of Safety.

I apologise for this error.

So in fact “Tennessee” (Department of Safety) did have a problem deciding whether she was a man or a women.

TDS? … anyway, it would seem so.

So in fact “Tennessee” (Department of Safety) did have a problem deciding whether she was a man or a women.
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Well it seems not. They instantly determined she was a man…

I sympathise with her and this kind of thing must be a PITA. My only point really is that the headline was misleading. If anything her arrest partially validated her position.

dv said:

I sympathise with her and this kind of thing must be a PITA. My only point really is that the headline was misleading. If anything her arrest partially validated her position.

In that case I will let the matter drop.

Can’t have roughbarked finding the discussion TDS.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I sympathise with her and this kind of thing must be a PITA. My only point really is that the headline was misleading. If anything her arrest partially validated her position.

In that case I will let the matter drop.

Can’t have roughbarked finding the discussion TDS.

;)

yeah

>Her arrest for indecent exposure was quite conventional and appropriate.

Although why it’s regarded as appropriate to arrest topless women but not topless men is something else that could be debated.

Although why it’s regarded as appropriate to arrest topless women but not topless men is something else that could be debated.
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Well, conventional. Appropriate within the law.