Date: 19/05/2013 12:22:19
From: dv
ID: 313270
Subject: Freezing/thawing meat

So since an early age I’ve been told that you shouldn’t thaw meat, freeze in and then rethaw it.
Or, rather, that eating meat that has gone through this process is risky.

Why is this? What pathogens are favoured by this process?

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Date: 19/05/2013 13:49:10
From: fsm
ID: 313293
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

Refreezing
Once food is thawed in the refrigerator, it is safe to refreeze it without cooking, although there may be a loss of quality due to the moisture lost through thawing. After cooking raw foods which were previously frozen, it is safe to freeze the cooked foods. If previously cooked foods are thawed in the refrigerator, you may refreeze the unused portion. Freeze leftovers within 3-4 days. Do not refreeze any foods left outside the refrigerator longer than 2 hours; 1 hour in temperatures above 90 °F.

If you purchase previously frozen meat, poultry or fish at a retail store, you can refreeze if it has been handled properly.

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Does Freezing Destroy Bacteria & Parasites?
Freezing to 0 °F inactivates any microbes — bacteria, yeasts and molds — present in food. Once thawed, however, these microbes can again become active, multiplying under the right conditions to levels that can lead to foodborne illness. Since they will then grow at about the same rate as microorganisms on fresh food, you must handle thawed items as you would any perishable food.

Trichina and other parasites can be destroyed by sub-zero freezing temperatures. However, very strict government-supervised conditions must be met. Home freezing cannot be relied upon to destroy trichina. Thorough cooking, however, will destroy all parasites.

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/factsheets/focus_on_freezing/

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Date: 19/05/2013 13:49:32
From: monkey skipper
ID: 313294
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

As I understand freezing stops most things growing but perhaps not all. Therefore if you defrost the bacteria grow and multiply but the cooking process should kill off the bacteria load to a limit that means you will not get sick. So…. if you refreeze defrosted meat you are freezing a higher population of bacteria that aren’t entirely dormant while meat is frozen and therefore the cooking process while effective usually will not off set the higher prolific bacteria load in that scenario.

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Date: 19/05/2013 16:25:06
From: OCDC
ID: 313427
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

In the olden days, when freezers were pretty pathetic, meat that was frozen, thawed, refrozen and rethawed spent heaps of time in the danger zone (8-60 degrees), in which pathogens can flourish. Some guidelines now pacifically say that things can be refrozen and rethawed with caution.

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Date: 19/05/2013 16:27:27
From: OCDC
ID: 313429
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

OCDC said:


(8-60 degrees)

IIRC

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Date: 20/05/2013 15:25:51
From: Arts
ID: 313751
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

fsm said:

Thorough cooking, however, will destroy all parasites.

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/factsheets/focus_on_freezing/

most people don’t cook a steak through…

There’s a show called “Freaky Eaters” and one episode was about a guy who ate raw meat. Kilos of the stuff.. he hadn’t suffered any bacterial illness… (of course the want to eat kilos of raw meat is another issue)

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Date: 20/05/2013 20:43:08
From: dv
ID: 313919
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

Thanks, all.

8-60 is a pretty big zone…

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Date: 20/05/2013 20:46:55
From: Arts
ID: 313921
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

I remember JF saying something along the lines of bug waste and eggs that may not be destroyed by cooking are your bigger worries about consuming ill prepared meat. But we are already bug incubators.. what’s one more?

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Date: 20/05/2013 20:47:20
From: OCDC
ID: 313922
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

dv said:


Thanks, all.

8-60 is a pretty big zone…


Pathogenic microorganisms is a pretty big zone.

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Date: 20/05/2013 20:48:29
From: OCDC
ID: 313925
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

Many toxins are heat-stable, so you need to make sure meat is stored properly before cooking.

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Date: 20/05/2013 20:49:29
From: buffy
ID: 313927
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

>>I remember JF saying something along the lines of bug waste and eggs that may not be destroyed by cooking are your bigger worries about consuming ill prepared meat. But we are already bug incubators.. what’s one more?<<

I expect she was meaning the bugs might be dead, but they leave their toxins behind. Can be Not Very Good.

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Date: 20/05/2013 20:49:52
From: buffy
ID: 313928
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

Whoops, Alex typed more quickerer than I did.

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Date: 20/05/2013 20:50:12
From: dv
ID: 313929
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

(falls right off my chair after hearing people using the word “toxins” correctly)

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Date: 20/05/2013 20:50:25
From: OCDC
ID: 313931
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

buffy said:

Whoops, Alex typed more quickerer than I did.


Despite being distracted while re-watching the Doctor.

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Date: 20/05/2013 20:52:07
From: OCDC
ID: 313933
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

dv said:


(falls right off my chair after hearing people using the word “toxins” correctly)

turst me…

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Date: 20/05/2013 21:19:21
From: dv
ID: 313959
Subject: re: Freezing/thawing meat

I turst you implursurtlur

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