Date: 30/05/2013 11:29:12
From: wookiemeister
ID: 319936
Subject: NBN asbestos

remember when I mentioned this a while ago as being a problem

in truth its just the tip of the iceberg. we’ve been drilling through asbestos ever since the NBN has been rolled out. we’ve been sending people alone into roof cavities again (remember the house insulation scheme?). at some point some one is going to point out that you can’t have people working alone if working in a confined space is happening. oh well, until that time…

Some NBN work shut down as asbestos safety breaches investigated

Updated 7 minutes ago

Related Story: Union raises NBN asbestos fears

Map: Penrith 2750
A family is demanding answers from Telstra and the Federal Government after concerns asbestos fibres contaminated their Sydney home during the rollout of the National Broadband Network (NBN).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/regulators-investigate-asbestos-safety-breaches-in-nbn/4722142

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:31:02
From: wookiemeister
ID: 319938
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

Asbestos Diseases Foundation president Barry Robson says some affected residents at Penrith, in Sydney’s west, have had to move out.

“Some of the subcontractors are just cowboys,” he said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/regulators-investigate-asbestos-safety-breaches-in-nbn/4722142

most of them are cowboys. the contractors are there to make profit, not there to worry about OHS, the safety of their workers and the people living in the home.

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:32:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 319939
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


remember when I mentioned this a while ago as being a problem

in truth its just the tip of the iceberg. we’ve been drilling through asbestos ever since the NBN has been rolled out. we’ve been sending people alone into roof cavities again (remember the house insulation scheme?). at some point some one is going to point out that you can’t have people working alone if working in a confined space is happening. oh well, until that time…

Some NBN work shut down as asbestos safety breaches investigated

Updated 7 minutes ago

Related Story: Union raises NBN asbestos fears

Map: Penrith 2750
A family is demanding answers from Telstra and the Federal Government after concerns asbestos fibres contaminated their Sydney home during the rollout of the National Broadband Network (NBN).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/regulators-investigate-asbestos-safety-breaches-in-nbn/4722142

Simply put, there is no way they’d want their house demolished in order to connect to the internet.. However, they could have drilled their own holes at a reduced installation cost.

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:34:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 319941
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


Asbestos Diseases Foundation president Barry Robson says some affected residents at Penrith, in Sydney’s west, have had to move out.

“Some of the subcontractors are just cowboys,” he said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/regulators-investigate-asbestos-safety-breaches-in-nbn/4722142

most of them are cowboys. the contractors are there to make profit, not there to worry about OHS, the safety of their workers and the people living in the home.

Heresy! Private contractors are always better, cheaper, faster, more handsome, kinder, lovelier… Bring wood! Bring fire! Let us burn the heretic!

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:35:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 319942
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


Asbestos Diseases Foundation president Barry Robson says some affected residents at Penrith, in Sydney’s west, have had to move out.

“Some of the subcontractors are just cowboys,” he said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/regulators-investigate-asbestos-safety-breaches-in-nbn/4722142

most of them are cowboys. the contractors are there to make profit, not there to worry about OHS, the safety of their workers and the people living in the home.

Put a trough full of money out and the snouts find it.

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:36:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 319943
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

captain_spalding said:


wookiemeister said:

Asbestos Diseases Foundation president Barry Robson says some affected residents at Penrith, in Sydney’s west, have had to move out.

“Some of the subcontractors are just cowboys,” he said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/regulators-investigate-asbestos-safety-breaches-in-nbn/4722142

most of them are cowboys. the contractors are there to make profit, not there to worry about OHS, the safety of their workers and the people living in the home.

Heresy! Private contractors are always better, cheaper, faster, more handsome, kinder, lovelier… Bring wood! Bring fire! Let us burn the heretic!

Yes. Essentially it would be the favoured policy if we had a rabbit in office.

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:38:26
From: wookiemeister
ID: 319945
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

roughbarked said:


wookiemeister said:

remember when I mentioned this a while ago as being a problem

in truth its just the tip of the iceberg. we’ve been drilling through asbestos ever since the NBN has been rolled out. we’ve been sending people alone into roof cavities again (remember the house insulation scheme?). at some point some one is going to point out that you can’t have people working alone if working in a confined space is happening. oh well, until that time…

Some NBN work shut down as asbestos safety breaches investigated

Updated 7 minutes ago

Related Story: Union raises NBN asbestos fears

Map: Penrith 2750
A family is demanding answers from Telstra and the Federal Government after concerns asbestos fibres contaminated their Sydney home during the rollout of the National Broadband Network (NBN).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/regulators-investigate-asbestos-safety-breaches-in-nbn/4722142

Simply put, there is no way they’d want their house demolished in order to connect to the internet.. However, they could have drilled their own holes at a reduced installation cost.


the owner doesn’t really know how its going to be installed until you get there

there will be a problem if you have to drill through rendered wood frame houses, you could blow a big hole in the render as you come through the other side

they should NEVER had a system that involved turning up at peoples houses, it was a terrible mistake. the internet could have bee made fast enough by just using the existing copper network. as the copper wire disintegrates the houses could be upgraded but only by using the existing run through of the telephone cable.

to be honest theres a lot of wrecks out there we should have never disturbed

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:40:39
From: wookiemeister
ID: 319948
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

I hated drilling screws into unknown board that the house was made from when installing the power supply/brain and face plate for the fibre optic

what I would have loved to have seen is at least some documentation about how this stuff was really meant to be installed!!

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:41:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 319950
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


I hated drilling screws into unknown board that the house was made from when installing the power supply/brain and face plate for the fibre optic

what I would have loved to have seen is at least some documentation about how this stuff was really meant to be installed!!

It’ll be published once all the information from all of the installations is gathered, assessed, and collated.

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:42:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 319951
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

remember when I mentioned this a while ago as being a problem

in truth its just the tip of the iceberg. we’ve been drilling through asbestos ever since the NBN has been rolled out. we’ve been sending people alone into roof cavities again (remember the house insulation scheme?). at some point some one is going to point out that you can’t have people working alone if working in a confined space is happening. oh well, until that time…

Some NBN work shut down as asbestos safety breaches investigated

Updated 7 minutes ago

Related Story: Union raises NBN asbestos fears

Map: Penrith 2750
A family is demanding answers from Telstra and the Federal Government after concerns asbestos fibres contaminated their Sydney home during the rollout of the National Broadband Network (NBN).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/regulators-investigate-asbestos-safety-breaches-in-nbn/4722142

Simply put, there is no way they’d want their house demolished in order to connect to the internet.. However, they could have drilled their own holes at a reduced installation cost.


the owner doesn’t really know how its going to be installed until you get there

there will be a problem if you have to drill through rendered wood frame houses, you could blow a big hole in the render as you come through the other side

they should NEVER had a system that involved turning up at peoples houses, it was a terrible mistake. the internet could have bee made fast enough by just using the existing copper network. as the copper wire disintegrates the houses could be upgraded but only by using the existing run through of the telephone cable.

to be honest theres a lot of wrecks out there we should have never disturbed

O’m sorry but the figures just don’t add up. If properly managed. it should cost everyone less and reach the destination more quickly to install the NBN.. Can rip up the copper as we go and pay for the paperwork at the very least by swapping the copper for diamonds in some backwater of the world.

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:44:29
From: wookiemeister
ID: 319954
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

captain_spalding said:


wookiemeister said:

I hated drilling screws into unknown board that the house was made from when installing the power supply/brain and face plate for the fibre optic

what I would have loved to have seen is at least some documentation about how this stuff was really meant to be installed!!

It’ll be published once all the information from all of the installations is gathered, assessed, and collated.


I asked those doing the job already some basic questions and they could rarely answer me

scissors are often used to cut FO cable , its not unknown to mount it near the kitchen sink

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:45:55
From: wookiemeister
ID: 319956
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

anyway – in other news….

A young man lived for more than a decade with a pencil lodged inside his head following a childhood incident, German doctors say.

The patient, a 24-year-old man from Afghanistan, had complained of impaired vision in his right eye, headaches and a discharge from his right nostril.

Asked how the pencil had become lodged in his head, he said he remembered a childhood accident about 15 years earlier where he fell and suffered a strong nosebleed.

Surgeons spotted the seven-centimetre pencil in a CT scan and safely removed it.

The pencil had lodged in the back of the man’s throat, damaging his eye socket.

After the surgery, the patient made a quick recovery and was released from hospital within days, although his vision remains impaired.

A medical presentation on the 2011 case at Aachen University Hospital was presented at a conference in the German city of Essen this week.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/man-lived-with-pencil-in-head-for-years/4721846

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:49:17
From: captain_spalding
ID: 319958
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


anyway – in other news….

A young man lived for more than a decade with a pencil lodged inside his head following a childhood incident, German doctors say.

Staggering, isn’t it?

I said this earlier:

From: captain_spalding
ID: 319812
Subject: re: Chat – May

Does life imitate art, or what?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/man-lived-with-pencil-in-head-for-years/4721846

Female Scientist: Mr. Simpson, I’m afraid you have a crayon lodged in your brain.

Homer: There’s a crayon in my brain? But I’ve had thousands of head X-rays. How come no one ever noticed this before? Dr. Hibbert: Oh, I can answer that. You see, whenever I picked up an X-ray, I’d always hold it like this. My thumb must’ve covered up the crayon every time. I’ll show myself out.
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Date: 30/05/2013 11:53:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 319959
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

I hated drilling screws into unknown board that the house was made from when installing the power supply/brain and face plate for the fibre optic

what I would have loved to have seen is at least some documentation about how this stuff was really meant to be installed!!

It’ll be published once all the information from all of the installations is gathered, assessed, and collated.


I asked those doing the job already some basic questions and they could rarely answer me

scissors are often used to cut FO cable , its not unknown to mount it near the kitchen sink

When the roof insulation thing was going.. I had a person of (possibly Punjabi descent) turn up in my driveway(lucky I caught him there) armed with a pencil and a tiny flip page notebook with him at the ready to write down the answers to his questions which included “what’s your address?” “We’ve lined up others in this street to have insulation installed”

His notebook had none of my neighbour’s names.

I said: “don’t need insulation I’ve stuffed newspaper in my roof”. at which point he displayed a complete loss of ability to take the conversation further although he tried for another fifteen minutes before I cracked and said.. We refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram // in the less polite form.

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:56:28
From: captain_spalding
ID: 319961
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

roughbarked said:


wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

It’ll be published once all the information from all of the installations is gathered, assessed, and collated.


I asked those doing the job already some basic questions and they could rarely answer me

scissors are often used to cut FO cable , its not unknown to mount it near the kitchen sink

When the roof insulation thing was going.. I had a person of (possibly Punjabi descent) turn up in my driveway(lucky I caught him there) armed with a pencil and a tiny flip page notebook with him at the ready to write down the answers to his questions which included “what’s your address?” “We’ve lined up others in this street to have insulation installed”

His notebook had none of my neighbour’s names.

I said: “don’t need insulation I’ve stuffed newspaper in my roof”. at which point he displayed a complete loss of ability to take the conversation further although he tried for another fifteen minutes before I cracked and said.. We refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram // in the less polite form.

‘Private Eye’!

Is it still published?

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:56:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 319962
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

captain_spalding said:


wookiemeister said:

anyway – in other news….

A young man lived for more than a decade with a pencil lodged inside his head following a childhood incident, German doctors say.

Staggering, isn’t it?

I said this earlier:

From: captain_spalding
ID: 319812
Subject: re: Chat – May

Does life imitate art, or what?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/man-lived-with-pencil-in-head-for-years/4721846

Female Scientist: Mr. Simpson, I’m afraid you have a crayon lodged in your brain.

Homer: There’s a crayon in my brain? But I’ve had thousands of head X-rays. How come no one ever noticed this before? Dr. Hibbert: Oh, I can answer that. You see, whenever I picked up an X-ray, I’d always hold it like this. My thumb must’ve covered up the crayon every time. I’ll show myself out.

I’m still wondering why he didn’t notice his pencil was missing.

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:57:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 319963
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

I asked those doing the job already some basic questions and they could rarely answer me

scissors are often used to cut FO cable , its not unknown to mount it near the kitchen sink

When the roof insulation thing was going.. I had a person of (possibly Punjabi descent) turn up in my driveway(lucky I caught him there) armed with a pencil and a tiny flip page notebook with him at the ready to write down the answers to his questions which included “what’s your address?” “We’ve lined up others in this street to have insulation installed”

His notebook had none of my neighbour’s names.

I said: “don’t need insulation I’ve stuffed newspaper in my roof”. at which point he displayed a complete loss of ability to take the conversation further although he tried for another fifteen minutes before I cracked and said.. We refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram // in the less polite form.

‘Private Eye’!

Is it still published?

it fills pages on google

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Date: 30/05/2013 11:59:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 319964
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

anyway – in other news….

A young man lived for more than a decade with a pencil lodged inside his head following a childhood incident, German doctors say.

Staggering, isn’t it?

I said this earlier:

From: captain_spalding
ID: 319812
Subject: re: Chat – May

Does life imitate art, or what?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/man-lived-with-pencil-in-head-for-years/4721846

Female Scientist: Mr. Simpson, I’m afraid you have a crayon lodged in your brain.

Homer: There’s a crayon in my brain? But I’ve had thousands of head X-rays. How come no one ever noticed this before? Dr. Hibbert: Oh, I can answer that. You see, whenever I picked up an X-ray, I’d always hold it like this. My thumb must’ve covered up the crayon every time. I’ll show myself out.

I’m still wondering why he didn’t notice his pencil was missing.

Probably just bludgeoned the bloke next to him, and stole his.

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Date: 30/05/2013 12:00:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 319965
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Staggering, isn’t it?

I said this earlier:

From: captain_spalding
ID: 319812
Subject: re: Chat – May

Does life imitate art, or what?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/man-lived-with-pencil-in-head-for-years/4721846

Female Scientist: Mr. Simpson, I’m afraid you have a crayon lodged in your brain.

Homer: There’s a crayon in my brain? But I’ve had thousands of head X-rays. How come no one ever noticed this before? Dr. Hibbert: Oh, I can answer that. You see, whenever I picked up an X-ray, I’d always hold it like this. My thumb must’ve covered up the crayon every time. I’ll show myself out.

I’m still wondering why he didn’t notice his pencil was missing.

Probably just bludgeoned the bloke next to him, and stole his.

did you mean, head-butted?

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Date: 30/05/2013 17:31:07
From: party_pants
ID: 320097
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

roughbarked said:


wookiemeister said:

Asbestos Diseases Foundation president Barry Robson says some affected residents at Penrith, in Sydney’s west, have had to move out.

“Some of the subcontractors are just cowboys,” he said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/regulators-investigate-asbestos-safety-breaches-in-nbn/4722142

most of them are cowboys. the contractors are there to make profit, not there to worry about OHS, the safety of their workers and the people living in the home.

Put a trough full of money out and the snouts find it.

Dammit – where do I find one of these troughs?

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Date: 30/05/2013 20:07:12
From: wookiemeister
ID: 320274
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

NSW Assistant Secretary Shane Murphy says Telstra is to blame for subcontracting the work to companies who failed to properly train their workers to handle the toxic material.

“Some years ago, when Telstra used to manage this work and do these work functions in-house, its workers were put through proper safety and training courses in relation to handling asbestos,” he said.

“What’s now happening is – and for some time – Telstra has outsourced those responsibilities to the contractors, who then outsource it to other contractors down the food chain.

“And again, it’s as simple as we’ve got the processes and policies in place, but there’s actually no real training going on other than people signing off and saying ‘I’ve worked with asbestos or been trained in its safe handling’.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/telstra-hires-200-specialists-for-asbestos-clean-up/4724028

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Date: 31/05/2013 20:32:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 320929
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

> in truth its just the tip of the iceberg …

LOL. The truth is it’s a complete non-event, like the ozone hole and global warming. Like radiation from power lines.

As Dr Karl has pointed out on TV, and as scientific studies show, there is no correlation between public perceived risk and actual risk.

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Date: 31/05/2013 20:34:26
From: wookiemeister
ID: 320932
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

mollwollfumble said:


> in truth its just the tip of the iceberg …

LOL. The truth is it’s a complete non-event, like the ozone hole and global warming. Like radiation from power lines.

As Dr Karl has pointed out on TV, and as scientific studies show, there is no correlation between public perceived risk and actual risk.


has dr karl installed it?

theres dust being produced even when you screw into an unknown board, it just sist there after you leave in a small pile waiting for someone to spread it into the air when they vacuum.

then you have the sucker breathing it in when he drills/ screws

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Date: 31/05/2013 20:59:16
From: furious
ID: 320947
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

So far concrete seems to be a larger hazard than asbestos…

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Date: 6/06/2013 18:47:50
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 324338
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


mollwollfumble said:

The truth is it’s a complete non-event, like the ozone hole and global warming. Like radiation from power lines.

As Dr Karl has pointed out on TV, and as scientific studies show, there is no correlation between public perceived risk and actual risk.


has dr karl installed it?
theres dust being produced even when you screw into an unknown board, it just sist there after you leave in a small pile waiting for someone to spread it into the air when they vacuum.
then you have the sucker breathing it in when he drills/ screws

That’s what masks are for.

I need to correct what I said above. In the UK, statistics say that asbestos is an extremely dangerous health problem. In the USA, statistics say that asbestos is not nearly as much of a problem. To put it another way, mesothelioma occurrence in the USA for people with exposure to asbestos is 3/4 of that in the UK for people who have not been exposed to asbestos. The reasons aren’t entirely clear but I suspect that it has something to do with better ventilation of dwellings and workplaces in the USA. Ventilation would also be good in Australia, but for NBN work on asbestos-containing buildings it wouldn’t hurt to improve the ventilation a bit.

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Date: 6/06/2013 23:25:07
From: wookiemeister
ID: 324579
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

asbestos is one of those magical substances that exposes the human psyche

it has killed thousands of people but magically it won’t kill you!

they should have banned it as soon as they knew it was a problem – the mining industry was so strong though it didn’t matter people were still dying from asbestos

someone was telling me about some iron ore mine in WA(?) where theres an asbestos hazard sign outside where the conveyor belt takes the ore in and inside asbestos is no longer an issue, it turns out its in the ore as its being dug.

from what I’ve seen in the mines here the real legacy of the mining boom will be lung related diseases, you’ll see miners walking around with no mask on, so they get to suck all that crap into their lungs – big wages but it makes me wonder if they’ll ever enjoy them.

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Date: 6/06/2013 23:56:22
From: morrie
ID: 324596
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


asbestos is one of those magical substances that exposes the human psyche

it has killed thousands of people but magically it won’t kill you!

they should have banned it as soon as they knew it was a problem – the mining industry was so strong though it didn’t matter people were still dying from asbestos

someone was telling me about some iron ore mine in WA(?) where theres an asbestos hazard sign outside where the conveyor belt takes the ore in and inside asbestos is no longer an issue, it turns out its in the ore as its being dug.

from what I’ve seen in the mines here the real legacy of the mining boom will be lung related diseases, you’ll see miners walking around with no mask on, so they get to suck all that crap into their lungs – big wages but it makes me wonder if they’ll ever enjoy them.


I have never seen an asbestos sign at any of the iron ore mines or process plants that I have visited. DO did mention that he found a piece somewhere near one of the mines though. I seriously doubt that there is a known asbestos problem at any operating iron ore mine that it being ignored.

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Date: 8/06/2013 00:14:03
From: wookiemeister
ID: 325095
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-07/darwin-tradesman-alleges-asbestos-breaches-at-nbn-site/4741174

A Darwin tradesman has blown the whistle on what he says were unsafe asbestos removal procedures used on the National Broadband Network (NBN) project.

Thousands of telco pits across Australia are being prepared for fibre-optic cables for the NBN, including old pits containing asbestos.

The worker, who does not want to be identified, has told the ABC he removed asbestos from dozens of Telstra pits earlier this year.

He says the contractor he was working for told workers they would be removing asbestos, but did not provide proper safety equipment.

He says workers were exposed to the deadly fibres.

The worker, who has since quit the company, says in some cases asbestos materials were broken up in the streets while pedestrians walked close by.

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Date: 8/06/2013 00:19:26
From: party_pants
ID: 325096
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

It should be reported to Worksafe (or similar approved), not leaked to the press anon.

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Date: 8/06/2013 00:29:22
From: wookiemeister
ID: 325097
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

party_pants said:


It should be reported to Worksafe (or similar approved), not leaked to the press anon.

yeah and it gets “lost”

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Date: 8/06/2013 00:30:12
From: wookiemeister
ID: 325098
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

don’t bother reporting it to the unions either

they won’t help you

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Date: 8/06/2013 00:32:26
From: party_pants
ID: 325100
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


don’t bother reporting it to the unions either

they won’t help you

bollockheight – it’s the unions that are driving it right now.

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Date: 8/06/2013 00:38:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 325101
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

party_pants said:


wookiemeister said:

don’t bother reporting it to the unions either

they won’t help you

bollockheight – it’s the unions that are driving it right now.

No.. It is the media..
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Date: 8/06/2013 00:39:51
From: wookiemeister
ID: 325102
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

party_pants said:


wookiemeister said:

don’t bother reporting it to the unions either

they won’t help you

bollockheight – it’s the unions that are driving it right now.


I have rung the ETU about asbestos chunks laying around at my work place

they weren’t interested, it wasn’t too long that I decided they were a waste of space and didn’t do much except collect my money.

the day I left was the day the same company that left lots of asbestos waste around nearby buildings was removing the roof of the workshop I worked from. after I had said my cheery goodbyes I strolled towards the gate, at one end of the building a man on an EWP was wearing a mask and suit ripping the sheets off the roof (they didn’t spray it before they removed it and there was no real provision for the debris that would come falling down onto everyones tools and work tops). at the other end of the building was another man doing an identical job no mask, no suit.

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Date: 8/06/2013 00:42:22
From: wookiemeister
ID: 325103
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

don’t bother reporting it to the unions either

they won’t help you

bollockheight – it’s the unions that are driving it right now.


I have rung the ETU about asbestos chunks laying around at my work place

they weren’t interested, it wasn’t too long that I decided they were a waste of space and didn’t do much except collect my money.

the day I left was the day the same company that left lots of asbestos waste around nearby buildings was removing the roof of the workshop I worked from. after I had said my cheery goodbyes I strolled towards the gate, at one end of the building a man on an EWP was wearing a mask and suit ripping the sheets off the roof (they didn’t spray it before they removed it and there was no real provision for the debris that would come falling down onto everyones tools and work tops). at the other end of the building was another man doing an identical job no mask, no suit.


I had warned people that all this crap was going to cover all of the work tops

people are afraid to lose their jobs – they’d rather lose their life.

I decided I didn’t want to invalided to a wheel chair coughing up fluid from my lungs so I moved on

you can tell people, you can warn people but they don’t listen – so you just move on and let them be killed

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Date: 8/06/2013 00:46:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 325105
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

If only you knew just how much asbestos is laying around.

It is more about breaking it up when it is dry and able to loose fibres.

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Date: 8/06/2013 00:55:20
From: morrie
ID: 325107
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

There was a report on TV last night about the asbestos problem in relation to buildings. The cost of removal and controlled dumping is so great that people are simply dumping asbestos building waste on public land all over the place.

Some people in town here had a house with an asbestos problem, so they torched it one weekend recently and dumped the ashes at the local tip.

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Date: 8/06/2013 00:59:59
From: wookiemeister
ID: 325108
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

morrie said:


There was a report on TV last night about the asbestos problem in relation to buildings. The cost of removal and controlled dumping is so great that people are simply dumping asbestos building waste on public land all over the place.

Some people in town here had a house with an asbestos problem, so they torched it one weekend recently and dumped the ashes at the local tip.


its one reason I wouldn’t buy a house near old houses

people are naturally inclined to do the wrong thing with asbestos

if they start taking the house apart the asbestos showers your place

the area I bought into is fairly new most of the houses wouldn’t be any older than 20 years

fire is a good way of getting rid of many problems

if the council refuses your request to build a towerblock on an existing warehouse you just torch the place

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Date: 8/06/2013 01:02:18
From: wookiemeister
ID: 325109
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

actually going back to HF

I wonder if you could treat all the asbestos product with HF and break it down that way into a safer type of waste?

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Date: 8/06/2013 01:03:47
From: wookiemeister
ID: 325110
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

maybe a solar furnace could melt the stuff under a vacuum? make it molten and set in a block and change the nature of it completely?

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Date: 8/06/2013 01:06:11
From: wookiemeister
ID: 325111
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

maybe in the future you could have robots that could clean all this crap up?

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Date: 8/06/2013 01:06:30
From: morrie
ID: 325112
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


actually going back to HF

I wonder if you could treat all the asbestos product with HF and break it down that way into a safer type of waste?


No need to resort to HF. You can use sulfuric acid.

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Date: 8/06/2013 01:08:35
From: wookiemeister
ID: 325113
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

morrie said:


wookiemeister said:

actually going back to HF

I wonder if you could treat all the asbestos product with HF and break it down that way into a safer type of waste?


No need to resort to HF. You can use sulfuric acid.


sulphuric acid will dissolve the asbestos particle?

if it does, will it just dry out and become just as dangerous as before?

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Date: 8/06/2013 01:17:15
From: morrie
ID: 325114
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

wookiemeister said:


morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

actually going back to HF

I wonder if you could treat all the asbestos product with HF and break it down that way into a safer type of waste?


No need to resort to HF. You can use sulfuric acid.


sulphuric acid will dissolve the asbestos particle?

if it does, will it just dry out and become just as dangerous as before?


It is slow, but I believe it will destroy the stuff in time. Hydrofluoric acid brings its own problems.

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Date: 8/06/2013 03:47:00
From: morrie
ID: 325115
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

morrie said:


wookiemeister said:

morrie said:

No need to resort to HF. You can use sulfuric acid.


sulphuric acid will dissolve the asbestos particle?

if it does, will it just dry out and become just as dangerous as before?


It is slow, but I believe it will destroy the stuff in time. Hydrofluoric acid brings its own problems.


Might need a subsequent treatment with alkali to get the silica skeleton.

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Date: 8/06/2013 06:32:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 325117
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

morrie said:


There was a report on TV last night about the asbestos problem in relation to buildings. The cost of removal and controlled dumping is so great that people are simply dumping asbestos building waste on public land all over the place.

Some people in town here had a house with an asbestos problem, so they torched it one weekend recently and dumped the ashes at the local tip.

However, that need after be very hot indeed to stop asbestos being a continuing hazard and in fact that while the house was burning and after the asbestos hazard would be greater than during the entire life of the fibrous cement.

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Date: 8/06/2013 09:19:07
From: Arts
ID: 325142
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

who’s Martin?

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Date: 8/06/2013 09:19:45
From: Arts
ID: 325144
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

that’s what happens when you post before coffee..

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Date: 8/06/2013 09:32:53
From: morrie
ID: 325159
Subject: re: NBN asbestos

roughbarked said:


morrie said:

There was a report on TV last night about the asbestos problem in relation to buildings. The cost of removal and controlled dumping is so great that people are simply dumping asbestos building waste on public land all over the place.

Some people in town here had a house with an asbestos problem, so they torched it one weekend recently and dumped the ashes at the local tip.

However, that need after be very hot indeed to stop asbestos being a continuing hazard and in fact that while the house was burning and after the asbestos hazard would be greater than during the entire life of the fibrous cement.


Yep. I wasn’t suggesting that this method had any merit.

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