May you all frolic gaily (or otherwise) naked in the woods tonight …

Take the time to say hi to your nearest pagan friends.

Full moon on Sunday, an’ all.

Bloody winter solstice alright, it’s nearly midday and it’s just struggled to 13 degrees

Peak Warming Man said:

Bloody winter solstice alright, it’s nearly midday and it’s just struggled to 13 degrees

The Peak was angry that day, my friends, Like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bloody winter solstice alright, it’s nearly midday and it’s just struggled to 13 degrees

The Peak was angry that day, my friends, Like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.

Great and terrible thing.

ding ding .. solstice just passed….

Damn, and I’m not naked yet.

Divine Angel said:

Damn, and I’m not naked yet.

I am.

Oops… I have said too much.

Divine Angel said:

Damn, and I’m not naked yet.

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Damn. No, your not.

glares

Divine Angel said:

Damn, and I’m not naked yet.

The night is young

(and full of terrors)

Dropbear said:

The night is young (and full of terrors)

I wonder if Bears really can suffer from Night Terrors?

Could make for a traumatic Hibernation….

Rule 303 said:

Dropbear said:

The night is young (and full of terrors)

I wonder if Bears really can suffer from Night Terrors?

Could make for a traumatic Hibernation….

We sleep the sleep of innocents..

Oh is that today?

‘arf hour ago

There are nocturnal king tides happening in a lot of places over the next couple of days. There is a project to photograph the king tides to keep track of their height from year to year:

http://www.witnesskingtides.org/

and pics from last year:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/witnesskingtides/sets/72157630061818848/page2/

TBIS

Thank Duck, Roll on Summer solstice!

Amen, monkey sista!

Divine Angel said:

Amen, monkey sista!

oh yes!

When does the earliest sunset occur?

KJW said:

When does the earliest sunset occur?

would not the latest sunrise coincide with the earliest sunset and hence these two events leading the the shortest day in the year as far as sunlight.

KJW said:

When does the earliest sunset occur?

Sometime in July IIRC.

Here we go:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/12/15/3093218.htm

Ah, that’s about summer solstice. Someone else can do the math for winter.

We were invited to a bonfire over the other side of the park tonight, but I really don’t feel like going out on Friday nights after starting at work at 8.00am. I spent so many years working late on a Friday that now I come home by 6.00pm, I just like to get inside and stay there. Especially when there is such a short daytime.

There was some discussion of finding druidical clothing amongst some of those going, but I reckon it’s way too cold…….

Divine Angel said:

KJW said:

When does the earliest sunset occur?

Sometime in July IIRC.

8 june – 20th june here (16:48)

Math?! Math?!

Wash your mouth out with soap Young Lady!

monkey skipper said:

KJW said:

When does the earliest sunset occur?

would not the latest sunrise coincide with the earliest sunset and hence these two events leading the the shortest day in the year as far as sunlight.

You’d think so, but no, the earliest sunset does not coincide with the latest sunrise or the winter solstice. I think the reason stems from the fact that the earth’s orbit around the sun is not quite circular.

KJW said:

monkey skipper said:

KJW said:

When does the earliest sunset occur?

would not the latest sunrise coincide with the earliest sunset and hence these two events leading the the shortest day in the year as far as sunlight.

You’d think so, but no, the earliest sunset does not coincide with the latest sunrise or the winter solstice. I think the reason stems from the fact that the earth’s orbit around the sun is not quite circular.

I blame the engineers then.

Sorry buffy :(

I’ll slap myself on the wrist. (I just think it sounds better)

stumpy_seahorse said:

Divine Angel said:

KJW said:

When does the earliest sunset occur?

Sometime in July IIRC.

8 june – 20th june here (16:48)

I would’ve thought that it would be after the solstice because that is case (as I have determined empirically) for the summer solstice (latest sunset).

I’ve never seen anyone have a problem with it…

…… except in here :)

KJW said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Divine Angel said:

Sometime in July IIRC.

8 june – 20th june here (16:48)

I would’ve thought that it would be after the solstice because that is case (as I have determined empirically) for the summer solstice (latest sunset).

You could just focus on the festivities too. Like bonfires, flowers and people running free in the woods or something!

monkey skipper said:

KJW said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

8 june – 20th june here (16:48)

I would’ve thought that it would be after the solstice because that is case (as I have determined empirically) for the summer solstice (latest sunset).

You could just focus on the festivities too. Like bonfires, flowers and people running free in the woods or something!

Oh no! You mean the sacrificial prisoners have escaped?

morrie said:

monkey skipper said:

KJW said:

I would’ve thought that it would be after the solstice because that is case (as I have determined empirically) for the summer solstice (latest sunset).

You could just focus on the festivities too. Like bonfires, flowers and people running free in the woods or something!

Oh no! You mean the sacrificial prisoners have escaped?

lol

morrie said:

monkey skipper said:

KJW said:

I would’ve thought that it would be after the solstice because that is case (as I have determined empirically) for the summer solstice (latest sunset).

You could just focus on the festivities too. Like bonfires, flowers and people running free in the woods or something!

Oh no! You mean the sacrificial prisoners have escaped?

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The shortest day is not the same as the latest sunrise because the former depends only on sun time, but the latter is measured according to clock time. These are not the same thing.

Clock time has exactly 24 hours every day, but the solar day is not exactly 24 hours – it changes through the year. (24 hours is the average length across the year.)

At the winter solstice the solar day is slightly longer than 24 hours, so all sun events – rise, transit, set – are drifting later relative to the clock. The short change in length of daylight immediately after the solstice is not enough to overcome this drift for a while, so sunrise keeps getting later for ~2 weeks.

MartinB said:

The shortest day is not the same as the latest sunrise because the former depends only on sun time, but the latter is measured according to clock time. These are not the same thing.

Clock time has exactly 24 hours every day, but the solar day is not exactly 24 hours – it changes through the year. (24 hours is the average length across the year.)

At the winter solstice the solar day is slightly longer than 24 hours, so all sun events – rise, transit, set – are drifting later relative to the clock. The short change in length of daylight immediately after the solstice is not enough to overcome this drift for a while, so sunrise keeps getting later for ~2 weeks.

I suppose I should’ve elaborated on my statement: “the fact that the earth’s orbit around the sun is not quite circular”. The earth’s perihelion (the closest point to the sun, and where the orbital speed is fastest) occurs around January 3, and the aphelion (the furthest point from the sun, and where the orbital speed is slowest) occurs around July 4, causing the length of the solar day to vary over the year (averaging 24 hours).

MartinB said:

At the winter solstice the solar day is slightly longer than 24 hours

Are you sure about this? I deduce from the above that the opposite is true, that the solar day is shorter during the winter months in the southern hemisphere. This is because the annual motion of the sun across the sky opposes (west to east) the daily motion of the sun across the sky, and this annual motion is slowest during the winter months in the southern hemisphere.