.
“There will be no climate change under a government I lead!”

Then she would have been telling the truth

And still be PM

The_observer said:

.
“There will be no climate change under a government I lead!”

Then she would have been telling the truth

And still be PM

what an impressive, graph… it must be true…

there is nothing quite like a chart with no title or axis labels, that is quite obviously a sub set of a much larger data set, they really tell a story…

but what ever it is it’s going down folks!!

I thought it was a graph of my weight over the last few years, and then realised that observer had put it in upside down.

what graph?

RSS MSU lower troposphere global mean 2010 – present
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diddly-squat said:

The_observer said:

.
“There will be no climate change under a government I lead!”

Then she would have been telling the truth

And still be PM

what an impressive, graph… it must be true…

there is nothing quite like a chart with no title or axis labels, that is quite obviously a sub set of a much larger data set, they really tell a story…

but what ever it is it’s going down folks!!

No, the data when taken from the 2012 point is clearly going up.

>>No, the data when taken from the 2012 point is clearly going up.<

But Julia became PM in 2010 dear

It’s not working on this computer.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/rss/from:2010/plot/rss/from:2010/trend

You forgot Baaarnaby…

potential deputy pm and registered flat-earther

carbon tax is about making money not saving the earth

wookiemeister said:

carbon tax is about making money not saving the earth

The carbon tax doesn’t make any money that isn’t handed out to businesses and people who suffer disproportionately from the pricing of carbon.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

carbon tax is about making money not saving the earth

The carbon tax doesn’t make any money that isn’t handed out to businesses and people who suffer disproportionately from the pricing of carbon.

they aren’t using that money to build renewable energy generation

its being used to run the car fleet of the politicians – money up in smoke

43 billion to be spent putting in NBN yet somehow the world is about to go belly up and theres no money

pull the other one

The_observer said:

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“There will be no climate change under a government I lead!”

Then she would have been telling the truth

And still be PM

FMD! That is the crappiest bit of curve fitting I’ve seen in years. If I’d presented something as spurious as that as evidence for a conclusion in a report during my working life, my reviewer would have kicked my arse into next week. Fitting a straight line through such a scattered set of data is fraudulent. Can you tell me what the R^2 is on that POS? At a rough guess, I’d say about 0.5.

(And who didn’t close the bold tag?)

Can’t talk – Wookster Report.

Let’s play the deniers’ game:

I’m pretty sure that the observer was trying to make a little joke.

Thewoodfortrees is actually a very nice site, which comes with this warning:

“After 30 years of messing around with (and being messed around by) computers and complex software, I would just say this:

Computers are great tools for helping you think; just never rely on them to do the thinking for you.”

A pity the unskeptical climate change doubter alarmists ignore that bit.

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m pretty sure that the observer was trying to make a little joke.

Thewoodfortrees is actually a very nice site, which comes with this warning:

“After 30 years of messing around with (and being messed around by) computers and complex software, I would just say this:

Computers are great tools for helping you think; just never rely on them to do the thinking for you.”

A pity the unskeptical climate change doubter alarmists ignore that bit.

Ja. Funny tool..

What gets me about these graphs is the love of curve fitting a straight line though data sets that have no reason whatsoever to obey the good old y=c+mx

>>>What gets me about these graphs is the love of curve fitting a straight line though data sets that have no reason whatsoever to obey the good old y=c+mx<<

how would you have gone about showing the cooling trend for the mean global temperature over Gillard’s leadership period Geoff ?

The_observer said:

>>>What gets me about these graphs is the love of curve fitting a straight line though data sets that have no reason whatsoever to obey the good old y=c+mx<<

how would you have gone about showing the cooling trend for the mean global temperature over Gillard’s leadership period Geoff ?

Given that it is such a short time period, I wouldn’t have bothered to try to prove anything. What you presented is spurious, bordering on fraudulent, and not really worth considering.

>>>Given that it is such a short time period, I wouldn’t have bothered to try to prove anything. What you presented is spurious, bordering on fraudulent, and not really worth considering.<<<

not only did Julia lose her leadership

seems many peoples humour went with it

• seems many peoples humour went with it

Well what do you expect when we are now left with the choice between a douche bag and a turd sandwich?

furious said:

• seems many peoples humour went with it

Well what do you expect when we are now left with the choice between a douche bag and a turd sandwich?

Well at least we won’t have any more demeaning gender based remarks.

heres a longer period for you Geoff
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RSS MSU lower trop global mean land & ocean 2002 – present

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HADSST2 Global sea surface temp 2010 – present

cooling within the 15 year flat trend

Quote- Judith Curry- June 14 2013

“Attention in the public debate seems to be
moving away from the 15-17 yr ‘pause’ (no
increase in global mean temperatures) to the
cooling since 2002. This period since 2002 is
scientifically interesting, since it coincides with
the ‘climate shift’ circa 2001/2002 posited by
Tsonis and others. This shift and the subsequent
slight cooling trend provide a rationale for
inferring a slight cooling trend over the next
decade or so, rather than a flat trend from the 15 yr ‘pause’.”

edit > HADSST2 Global sea surface temp >> 2002 << – present

morrie said:

furious said:

• seems many peoples humour went with it

Well what do you expect when we are now left with the choice between a douche bag and a turd sandwich?

Well at least we won’t have any more demeaning gender based remarks.

Hahahahahahahahaa….ow that hurt :/

I just want you to know I was rooting for you Julia

Oh thank you Mr President

• I just want you to know I was rooting for you Julia

How come when there is a coup in other countries leaders of the world unite to condemn the action yet when it happens here – twice in the last three years – no one gives it a second thought?

The_observer said:

>>>What gets me about these graphs is the love of curve fitting a straight line though data sets that have no reason whatsoever to obey the good old y=c+mx<<

how would you have gone about showing the cooling trend for the mean global temperature over Gillard’s leadership period Geoff ?

maybe it will change when Tony gets the gig…

>How come when there is a coup in other countries leaders of the world unite to condemn the action yet when it happens here – twice in the last three years – no one gives it a second thought?<

Possibly because a political party voting to change their leader is not in any sense a “coup”. It’s how changes of party leadership generally occur in democratic nations.

“now what I want to know Kevin, is, did Julia tell you how she stopped global warming before you knifed her?”

• Possibly because a political party voting to change their leader is not in any sense a “coup”. It’s how changes of party leadership generally occur in democratic nations.

But in these instances the changing of party leader also brings about the changing of the leader of the country…

I wasn’t being completely serious with my question but I know people use the “But I never voted for him/her” complaint all the time.

“shit, I dammed forgot to ask her”

>But in these instances the changing of party leader also brings about the changing of the leader of the country…

Yes, that often happens. It’s because the leaders of countries are usually also leaders of particular political parties. Again, exactly what one would reasonably expect in parliamentary democracies.

“ I’ll just bullshit to Obama it was my master plan in the first place that stopped global warming.

Yes, Yes, my master plan”

Gotta get the big picture.

“Kevin, I just want you to know that I and The United States of America not only consider you the greatest Australian to live, but a true friend to the Planet”

“and the dumb bastard actually believed me”

I don’t think the data going back is all that reliable Ian

Ian said:

Gotta get the big picture.

lucky the climate cooled while Joolia was in charge, we would have been ferked otherwise…

• lucky the climate cooled while Joolia was in charge, we would have been ferked otherwise…

Seems to plateau a little round about her birth too…

The_observer said:

I don’t think the data going back is all that reliable Ian

ROFL…

even allowing for error, the trend is still climbing like a homesick angel

The warming up to 1885, & the warming up to 1945, of which neither can be blamed on CO2, are indistinguishable from the warming up to 1997.

The alarmists blamed the most recent warming on co2 because they had no other explanation. So I guess they should blame the flat trend & recent cooling on co2 also, as they don’t have an explanation for that either!

The_observer said:

The warming up to 1885, & the warming up to 1945, of which neither can be blamed on CO2, are indistinguishable from the warming up to 1997.

The alarmists blamed the most recent warming on co2 because they had no other explanation. So I guess they should blame the flat trend & recent cooling on co2 also, as they don’t have an explanation for that either!

yawn…

You forgot the green trend line Ian.

• You forgot the green trend line Ian.

And rememebr to position it in a manner that fits in with your world view…

furious said:

• You forgot the green trend line Ian.

And rememebr to position it in a manner that fits in with your world view…

chuckle

I think I’ve realised why some here have been slightly upset, or bemused, at my thread & I will now make things right.

Having been completely, but incorrectly, dazzled by Julia’s apparent ability to stop global warming I made the error of completely ignoring Kevin’s effort during his reign – Kevin 07 to 2010, where-by he also was a global warming magician.

Look –

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To all the Kevin 07 fans; my humble appologies

During Kevin’s reign he too stopped global warming.
Admittedly Kevin’s effort was not as significant as Julia’s was. But for you Kevin fans here, I’m sure Julia just benefited from Kevin’ initial efforts.

But wait, there’s more:
not wanting to make the same mistake again I looked further back, &, would you believe,
Little Johnny Howard was actually the Mastermind behind stopping global warming.
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Yes!

From his 2nd term as PM, right through to his unfortunate demise, Johnny had the wood on global warming.

We can all be grateful for Johnny’s Prime Ministership for even more reasons than we already had.

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Three cheers for Johnny Howard

Hip Hip Hooray

Hip Hip Hooray

Hip Hip Hooray

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“There will be no global warming under my Liberal Leadership”

Howard – 1998 press conference

I can draw lines like that in microsoft paint

anyone can make the lines go anywhere

julia and kevin
here they are together
http://imgur.com/gallery/pTwkzzQ
the unity that should have been
tic
runs away

>>>http://imgur.com/gallery/pTwkzzQ

puke; you could have put a health warning on that link

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Here’s Julia & Barrack going forward –

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Young Bobby Gillard Obama grew up to be Rap Star
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>> Computers are great tools for helping you think; just never rely on them to do the thinking for you.”<<

Great advice Rev, for those climate modellers

and their followers

LOL buddy

The_observer said:

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>> Computers are great tools for helping you think; just never rely on them to do the thinking for you.”<<

Great advice Rev, for those climate modellers

and their followers

LOL buddy

GONE

*fixed

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Sorry fellow Earthians, for those having trouble
with the size of that previous graph –

73 CMIP_5 rcp 8.5 Models Vs Observations
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Just right click & open it in a new tab

The_observer said:

Trying to blind us with science?

How come that big black line keeps trending upwards?

That big black line Ian is the model Mean

observations are at the bottom of the chart

squares & circles, mate

The_observer said:

That big black line Ian is the model Mean

observations are at the bottom of the chart

squares & circles, mate

It is a very interesting graph. 73 climate models that don’t match the observations. Its enough to shake your confidence.

I see that that messy heap of graphs is the work of Roy W. Spencer…

“Spencer is a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming, which states that “Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting”.

wiki

And now let us pray..

>>I see that that messy heap of graphs is the work of Roy W. Spencer…

IIRC the messy heap of graphs is the work of the IPCC.

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>>I see that that messy heap of graphs is the work of Roy W. Spencer…

“Spencer is a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming, which states that “Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting”.

<<<
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.if all you can do is slander a phd, fuck off out of the conversation , dick head

The_observer said:

.if all you can do is slander a phd, fuck off out of the conversation , dick head

There there.

morrie said:

>>I see that that messy heap of graphs is the work of Roy W. Spencer…

IIRC the messy heap of graphs is the work of the IPCC.

They wouldn’t have presented it like that though, would they?

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/06/still-epic-fail-73-climate-models-vs-measurements-running-5-year-means/

Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.

Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.

& the chart is by Christy

an IPCC lead author

Graphs aside there are any number of other indicators of CC in action..

Melting permafrost..

The_observer said:

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>>I see that that messy heap of graphs is the work of Roy W. Spencer…

“Spencer is a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming, which states that “Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting”.

<<<
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.if all you can do is slander a phd, fuck off out of the conversation , dick head

groan

The_observer said:

That big black line Ian is the model Mean

observations are at the bottom of the chart

squares & circles, mate

Even the observations show a warming trend. What is your point?

The_observer said:

.
>>I see that that messy heap of graphs is the work of Roy W. Spencer…

“Spencer is a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming, which states that “Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting”.

<<<
.
.
.if all you can do is slander a phd, fuck off out of the conversation , dick head

No need to get personal..

Fuckwit

Ian said:

Cool photo Ian. It that methane?

Stealth said:

Ian said:

Cool photo Ian. It that methane?

Yep

Stealth said:

The_observer said:

That big black line Ian is the model Mean

observations are at the bottom of the chart

squares & circles, mate

Even the observations show a warming trend. What is your point?

Models are supposed to represent reality. If one accept the graph as valid, then it is clear that the models don’t represent reality.
The problem with models is that people often confuse model outputs with reality, so that they form a defacto reality.
I say this from experience, as most of my income is derived from remedial work which is the result of people being seduced by quite sophisticated and computer intensive mathematical models of reality.

Nothing wrong with a mass of models being wrong if they are splayed around the reality but all the models are on one side of reality, I mean any genuine sceptical thinker should have their agenda antennae pinging it’s head off.

Note that the ’73 models’ graph above is not referring to global average temperatures but to stratospheric temperatures in tropical regions.

Climate models aren’t perfect and it is known that they don’t capture the tropicsl stratosphere well. But if you want to assess the reliability of the models overall you need to make the comparisons between models and observations globally. Interestingly, when this is done there is good agreement.

Ignoring the agreement and pointing to one area of uncertainty, and then inferring that there is a fundamental problem is not very rigorous.

>Interestingly, when this is done there is good agreement.

Perhaps you could share that experience with us, Martin? A link?

morrie said:

Stealth said:

The_observer said:

That big black line Ian is the model Mean

observations are at the bottom of the chart

squares & circles, mate

Even the observations show a warming trend. What is your point?

Models are supposed to represent reality. If one accept the graph as valid, then it is clear that the models don’t represent reality.
The problem with models is that people often confuse model outputs with reality, so that they form a defacto reality.
I say this from experience, as most of my income is derived from remedial work which is the result of people being seduced by quite sophisticated and computer intensive mathematical models of reality.

Models from my experience are not intended to show reality, but the trend of something. Models especially highly complex climate ones cannot possibly include everything, but when compared to other models the majority should match, with outlying ones that have not included sufficient information, or included inappropriate information. The graph shown clearly indicates a strong correlation between the majority of models and all indicate an upward trend. Why this is still being debated when most of the world accepts the evidence and the urgency and is beginning to do something about it. The only ones still trying to delay the process are nutters and those with vested interests, especially mining.

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

Stealth said:

Even the observations show a warming trend. What is your point?

Models are supposed to represent reality. If one accept the graph as valid, then it is clear that the models don’t represent reality.
The problem with models is that people often confuse model outputs with reality, so that they form a defacto reality.
I say this from experience, as most of my income is derived from remedial work which is the result of people being seduced by quite sophisticated and computer intensive mathematical models of reality.

Models from my experience are not intended to show reality, but the trend of something. Models especially highly complex climate ones cannot possibly include everything, but when compared to other models the majority should match, with outlying ones that have not included sufficient information, or included inappropriate information. The graph shown clearly indicates a strong correlation between the majority of models and all indicate an upward trend. Why this is still being debated when most of the world accepts the evidence and the urgency and is beginning to do something about it. The only ones still trying to delay the process are nutters and those with vested interests, especially mining.

A classic example of model seduction. It doesn’t matter if the output doesn’t match measurements, it agrees with a pre-conceived agenda so it is accepted as a sort of super-reality.

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

Stealth said:

The_observer said:
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FMD.

Can no one follow a thread…

morrie said:

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

Models are supposed to represent reality. If one accept the graph as valid, then it is clear that the models don’t represent reality.
The problem with models is that people often confuse model outputs with reality, so that they form a defacto reality.
I say this from experience, as most of my income is derived from remedial work which is the result of people being seduced by quite sophisticated and computer intensive mathematical models of reality.

Models from my experience are not intended to show reality, but the trend of something. Models especially highly complex climate ones cannot possibly include everything, but when compared to other models the majority should match, with outlying ones that have not included sufficient information, or included inappropriate information. The graph shown clearly indicates a strong correlation between the majority of models and all indicate an upward trend. Why this is still being debated when most of the world accepts the evidence and the urgency and is beginning to do something about it. The only ones still trying to delay the process are nutters and those with vested interests, especially mining.

A classic example of model seduction. It doesn’t matter if the output doesn’t match measurements, it agrees with a pre-conceived agenda so it is accepted as a sort of super-reality.

I thought is was worth repeating too.

when most of the world accepts the evidence and the urgency
___________________________

Urgency?

You do realise that taking 10 years to reduce carbon inputs by 10%…

Gains you nothing over 100 years.

morrie said:

I thought is was worth repeating too.

Apologies, I pressed the wrong button. Was going to reply, but though what’s the point, you cannot make people see sense when they have made up their mind not to do so. But suggest you read more and listen to people with actual knowledge and experience regarding climate change. You might get a shock!

Mr Ironic said:

when most of the world accepts the evidence and the urgency
___________________________

Urgency?

You do realise that taking 10 years to reduce carbon inputs by 10%…

Gains you nothing over 100 years.

The tragedy is you have absolutely no idea. Your life must be bliss.

Eg http://m.iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/4/044035/pdf/1748-9326_7_4_044035.pdf

It’s also worth noting that the measurements on that graph are not exactly unquestionable either, but that’s another matter.

Your life must be bliss.
——————————————-

Well yes…

I’m a global warming optimist.

MartinB said:

Eg http://m.iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/4/044035/pdf/1748-9326_7_4_044035.pdf

It’s also worth noting that the measurements on that graph are not exactly unquestionable either, but that’s another matter.

Thanks Martin.

Mr Ironic said:

Your life must be bliss.
——————————————-

Well yes…

I’m a global warming optimist.

I wish you a long life so you might enjoy it.

The_observer said:

>>>http://imgur.com/gallery/pTwkzzQ

puke; you could have put a health warning on that link

yes I agree, it is gross

but we had no warning of kev and J creating such disunity

that was gross too

but we had no warning of kev and J creating such disunity
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Well did we…

Big Beasley stood for nothing, on advice. And we got a skakey Howard again….

Labour with Rudd was on a steamroll to nothing but was brought down by his ‘Fellow” friends.

The party needs new friends. These ones are not working for it.

Seriously FTLP. Are they that dumb that they cannot see the the enemy in their own ranks?

The Fabians have them Fucked.

• Are they that dumb that they cannot see the the enemy in their own ranks?

They paid the ferry man before they got to the other side…

wookiemeister said:

(cactus pick)

Oi! – that’s my picture!

it’s the basis of all my cactus-violence related comments the last few days :)

They paid the ferry man before they got to the other side…
=======================
Meh, they paid….

No you are right. It is the biggest fuck up since removing babies from improvished people to pedos…

I am the one, Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.

I twist the truth, I rule the world, my crown is called deceit
I am the emperor of lies, you grovel at my feet
I rob you and I slaughter you, your downfall is my gain
And still you play the sycophant and revel in my pain
And all my promises are lies, all my love is hate
I am the politician, and I decide your fate

I march before a martyred world, an army for the fight
I speak of great heroic days, of victory and might
I hold a banner drenched in blood, I urge you to be brave
I lead you to your destiny, I lead you to your grave
Your bones will build my palaces, your eyes will stud my crown
For I am Mars, the god of war, and I will cut you down.

By Motorhead or Sepultura or Kevin Rudd

Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.

I twist the truth, I rule the world, my crown is called deceit
I am the emperor of lies, you grovel at my feet

I am the politician, and I decide your fate
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Yes, we need a law against the law…

• Yes, we need a law against the law…

Or an effective opposition…

furious said:

• Yes, we need a law against the law…

Or an effective opposition…

Which would be one that produced policy?

Or an effective opposition…
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Well you wont get one next election…

roughbarked said:

furious said:

• Yes, we need a law against the law…

Or an effective opposition…

Which would be one that produced policy?

My guess is that it would be one that stopped political policy altogether.

So that the rest of the world could get on with it.

[/bold]

• Well you wont get one next election…

We do not have one now and, yes, we will not have one then…

furious said:

• Well you wont get one next election…

We do not have one now and, yes, we will not have one then…

merely opposing everything is pointless.

• merely opposing everything is pointless.

And yet that is the system we currently find ourselves in…

furious said:

• merely opposing everything is pointless.

And yet that is the system we currently find ourselves in…

doubtless.

• doubtless.

Democracy. Just doesn’t work.

roughbarked said:

furious said:

• merely opposing everything is pointless.

And yet that is the system we currently find ourselves in…

doubtless.

The lack of creativity is quite apparent.

furious said:

Yes, we need a law against the law…

Or an effective opposition…

Which would be one that produced policy?
———————————————

What policy?

What we need are laws against the laws that impoverish those without means to argue against the laws.

It’s not turtel science.

Mr Ironic said:

furious said:

Yes, we need a law against the law…

Or an effective opposition…

Which would be one that produced policy?
———————————————

What policy?

What we need are laws against the laws that impoverish those without means to argue against the laws.

It’s not turtel science.

that could actually be called, a policy.

• The lack of creativity is quite apparent.

No, theycome up with all sorts of crazy $#!t when in power but when in opposition the same crazy $#!t is the end of the world…

furious said:

• The lack of creativity is quite apparent.

No, theycome up with all sorts of crazy $#!t when in power but when in opposition the same crazy $#!t is the end of the world…

I was talking about opposition.. weren’t you?

• I was talking about opposition.. weren’t you?

Right now? The whole flipping lot…

furious said:

• I was talking about opposition.. weren’t you?

Right now? The whole flipping lot…

well, there is that.. but I was trying not to complicate matters too much at once.

The lack of creativity is quite apparent.
————————————————-

Ugly \people don’t get voted in…

• Ugly \people don’t get voted in…

Really? You have a strange definition of “not ugly”…

Mr Ironic said:

The lack of creativity is quite apparent.
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Ugly \people don’t get voted in…

You need a new set of prescription lenses.

Mr Ironic said:

The lack of creativity is quite apparent.
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Ugly \people don’t get voted in…

When I see depressing creatures

With unprepossessing features

I remind them on their own behalf

To think of
Celebrated heads of state or

Specially great communicators

Did they have brains or knowledge?

Don’t make me laugh

They were popular! Please -

It’s all about popular!

It’s not about aptitude

It’s the way you’re viewed

So it’s very shrewd to be

Very very popular

Like me!(Ahh!)

that could actually be called, a policy.
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Yes of course.

We can bring in laws that limit the amount of laws allowed…

• We can bring in laws that limit the amount of laws allowed…

We can bring in laws that limit the amount of whatever allowed…

but when in opposition the same crazy $#!t is the end of the world…
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Yeah, the debating rules are out the window.

If only they were held acountable every 4 years…

furious said:

• We can bring in laws that limit the amount of laws allowed…

We can bring in laws that limit the amount of whatever allowed…

we are almost there .. now.

• If only they were held acountable every 4 years…

Sometimes four years is a long time…

• we are almost there .. now

What do you mean “almost”?

furious said:

• If only they were held acountable every 4 years…

Sometimes four years is a long time…

four bad years in business is terrible but business should do business with whichever government

• four bad years in business is terrible but business should do business with whichever government

Sorry, but, that is bad council…

furious said:

• we are almost there .. now

What do you mean “almost”?

fn

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

furious said:

• merely opposing everything is pointless.

And yet that is the system we currently find ourselves in…

doubtless.

The lack of creativity is quite apparent.

I heard something on the radio today where some people were surveyed and they nominated Tony Abbott as the foremost innovative thinker in the country. That blew me away!

• Tony Abbott as the foremost innovative thinker in the country. That blew me away!

And apparently Turnbull invented the internet…

Really? You have a strange definition of “not ugly”…
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Well yeah…

But, history repeats, the most charismatic wins every (nearly) time.

Well since it became a TV ratings show…

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

doubtless.

The lack of creativity is quite apparent.

I heard something on the radio today where some people were surveyed and they nominated Tony Abbott as the foremost innovative thinker in the country. That blew me away!

It would have caused me to beat the radio to death?

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

The lack of creativity is quite apparent.

I heard something on the radio today where some people were surveyed and they nominated Tony Abbott as the foremost innovative thinker in the country. That blew me away!

It would have caused me to beat the radio to death?

LOL. I was driving.

Mr Ironic said:

Really? You have a strange definition of “not ugly”…
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Well yeah…

But, history repeats, the most charismatic wins every (nearly) time.

Well since it became a TV ratings show…

Charisma isn’t beauty.. soliciting of the innocent is done by pedophiles.

• soliciting of the innocent is done by pedophiles.

And there we have the WTF moment of the evening folks. Thanks for playing but this one takes the biscuit…

We can bring in laws that limit the amount of whatever allowed
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Exactly.

So how how many laws does it take to…to limit the amont of laws?

furious said:

• soliciting of the innocent is done by pedophiles.

And there we have the WTF moment of the evening folks. Thanks for playing but this one takes the biscuit…

It happens if you watch long enough.

• So how how many laws does it take to…to limit the amont of laws?

One: The first rule is that there are no rules…

Mr Ironic said:

We can bring in laws that limit the amount of whatever allowed
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Exactly.

So how how many laws does it take to…to limit the amont of laws?

cannot happen.. a law is a law.. no amount of them can cancel out.

furious said:

• So how how many laws does it take to…to limit the amont of laws?

One: The first rule is that there are no rules…

yeah.. but it is a rule.

• It happens if you watch long enough.

I’m not sure what you are watching but maybe you should, like, stop watching and do…

• yeah.. but it is a rule.

Which cancels cancel a itself…

furious said:

• It happens if you watch long enough.

I’m not sure what you are watching but maybe you should, like, stop watching and do…

oh i have done at times.. but it just pisses me off being amongst them.

furious said:

• yeah.. but it is a rule.

Which cancels cancel a itself…

perhaps you were thinking of anarchy?

• oh i have done at times.. but it just pisses me off being amongst them.

Time for you to back away slowly…

furious said:

• oh i have done at times.. but it just pisses me off being amongst them.

Time for you to back away slowly…

Been doing that all my life.. backpedalling through mud isn’t a great deal of fun.

• We are adults

And as an adult I make my recommendation…

• backpedalling through mud isn’t a great deal of fun.

Take a step to the left, you might find firmer ground …

furious said:

• We are adults

And as an adult I make my recommendation…

As an adult I accept any recommendation for assessment.

furious said:

• backpedalling through mud isn’t a great deal of fun.

Take a step to the left, you might find firmer ground …

left .. right

island hopping…

• As an adult I accept any recommendation for assessment.

Do not ever believe the name of an internet radio station…

furious said:

• As an adult I accept any recommendation for assessment.

Do not ever believe the name of an internet radio station…

would you believe mine?

who sell out.

Tony Abbott as the foremost innovative thinker in the country.
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Yes of course, not only has Labour killled its self…

But as before.

It will propel the opposition into a position of power.

The nameless men of the ALP are either complete IDIOTS or faceless men with another agenda.
.

Mr Ironic said:

Tony Abbott as the foremost innovative thinker in the country.
======================

Yes of course, not only has Labour killled its self…

But as before.

It will propel the opposition into a position of power.

The nameless men of the ALP are either complete IDIOTS or faceless men with another agenda.
.

none of that is any excuse for Tony Rabbit

• The nameless men of the ALP are either complete IDIOTS or faceless men with another agenda

I choose box number 1…

furious said:

• The nameless men of the ALP are either complete IDIOTS or faceless men with another agenda

I choose box number 1…

If they cannot put their name to their agenda.. then they deserve to be disregarded.

• If they cannot put their name to their agenda.. then they deserve to be disregarded

That isn’t even a response to what I said…

furious said:

• If they cannot put their name to their agenda.. then they deserve to be disregarded

That isn’t even a response to what I said…

I cannot bring myself to use that word.

I choose box number 1…
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Odds on.

But the result will be the same….

Night.

• I cannot bring myself to use that word.

Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean that they are after you…

Mr Ironic said:

I choose box number 1…
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Odds on.

But the result will be the same….

Night.

We’ll all be rooned.

furious said:

• I cannot bring myself to use that word.

Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean that they are after you…

It is OK.. I monitor my reactions to faceless shadows.

• But the result will be the same…

We are all fu… What’s that word again cked?

furious said:

• But the result will be the same…

We are all fu… What’s that word again cked?

Hanrahan captured it.

So, since there is nobody worth voting for, we can assUme it will be a dead heat?

• So, since there is nobody worth voting for, we can assUme it will be a dead heat?

Viva le revolution… Or similar…

furious said:

• So, since there is nobody worth voting for, we can assUme it will be a dead heat?

Viva le revolution… Or similar…

Cést la vie.

• Cést la vie.

I’ve never felt so helpless, basically we have a Turd Sandwich or Giant Douchebag in our futur e and there is nought we can do about it…

furious said:

• Cést la vie.

I’ve never felt so helpless, basically we have a Turd Sandwich or Giant Douchebag in our futur e and there is nought we can do about it…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy

roughbarked said:

furious said:

• Cést la vie.

I’ve never felt so helpless, basically we have a Turd Sandwich or Giant Douchebag in our futur e and there is nought we can do about it…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy

Why are we continuing to pay them?

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

furious said:

• Cést la vie.

I’ve never felt so helpless, basically we have a Turd Sandwich or Giant Douchebag in our futur e and there is nought we can do about it…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy

Why are we continuing to pay them?

anyway, I’ve been watching Rabbit for a long time.. from before Pauline Hanson..

By my reckoning, this man has been and will continue to be the downfall of any opposition for front page news. The fact that he never makes it to page three.. belies the appeal of budgie smugglers.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy

Why are we continuing to pay them?

anyway, I’ve been watching Rabbit for a long time.. from before Pauline Hanson..

By my reckoning, this man has been and will continue to be the downfall of any opposition for front page news. The fact that he never makes it to page three.. belies the appeal of budgie smugglers.

We can apply the same to KRudd, though I’m sure he wouldn’t be seen dead in budgie smugglers.

• We can apply the same to KRudd, though I’m sure he wouldn’t be seen dead in budgie smugglers.

Regardless of outer wear he won’t make it as an position leader to the next election…

furious said:

• We can apply the same to KRudd, though I’m sure he wouldn’t be seen dead in budgie smugglers.

Regardless of outer wear he won’t make it as an position leader to the next election…

But will rabbit?

this ist the to be or not to be.. he’s caused mayhem/ are there practical liberals or are they all confused about conservatism?

anyway.. that’s enough politics talk from me for another couple of decades..

cheerio.. enjoy your tomorrows.

Mr Ironic said:

We can bring in laws that limit the amount of whatever allowed
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Exactly.

So how how many laws does it take to…to limit the amont of laws?

How many laws do we have now in Australia

Federal Laws
State Laws
Local laws

anyone know how many Federal Laws we have?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Mr Ironic said:

We can bring in laws that limit the amount of whatever allowed
————————————————
Exactly.

So how how many laws does it take to…to limit the amont of laws?

How many laws do we have now in Australia

Federal Laws
State Laws
Local laws

anyone know how many Federal Laws we have?

I dunno.. maybe five or six?

furious said:

• doubtless.

Democracy. Just doesn’t work.

not true

Australian isn’t a democracy because the elections aren’t secure, people can vote more than once with multiple identities

this why the system doesn’t work here because its not a true representation of what people want

wookiemeister said:

Australian isn’t a democracy because the elections aren’t secure, people can vote more than once with multiple identities

WTF?

Vote early, vote often.

Skeptic Pete said:

wookiemeister said:

Australian isn’t a democracy because the elections aren’t secure, people can vote more than once with multiple identities

WTF?

Vote early, vote often.

an old trick is to nab the identities of people in aged care homes

you look through the electoral roll and look for names that are in addresses for known OAP homes – this is possible because the electoral roll is on disc so these addresses can be found easily

you can also go and “help” people with their absent vote – the absent vote can be done with the politician looking over your shoulder

there is no such thing as democracy in Australia – you have been told it exists but it doesn’t

part of being an adult is examining things on their merits and things like facts

anyway I wish you luck for the future

Referendum would become ‘platform for fear-mongering’
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-28/kevin-rudd-gay-marriage-referendum-dismissed-by-advocates/4788796

see, they don’t like the idea of the public VOTING on how their society works anyway

I don’t know what they are worried about anyway, if you were hell bent on gay marriage all you’d need to do is go and vote multiple times in a referendum and you’d get what you wanted anyway – the AEC can’t complain that people are multiple voting because it means they’d need to actually do something and hold fair elections.

wookiemeister said:

Referendum would become ‘platform for fear-mongering’
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-28/kevin-rudd-gay-marriage-referendum-dismissed-by-advocates/4788796

see, they don’t like the idea of the public VOTING on how their society works anyway

I don’t know what they are worried about anyway, if you were hell bent on gay marriage all you’d need to do is go and vote multiple times in a referendum and you’d get what you wanted anyway – the AEC can’t complain that people are multiple voting because it means they’d need to actually do something and hold fair elections.

What Julia should have said

Gay marriage is a human right and we will make it legal

on euthanasia

What Julia should have said

Euthanasia is a human right and we will make it legal

on personal drug use

What Julia should have said

personal drug use is a human right and we will make it legal

add your own What Julia should have said

Riff-in-Thyme said:

the last three sound like he’s talking about a dog…