Starts tonight, SBS1:

PAIN, PUS AND POISON.Monday 22nd July at 8.30 pm (60 minutes)
Channel: SBS
(Part 1 of 3) In this new three-part series, Dr Michael Mosley tells the extraordinary story of how scientists learnt to use the world around us to heal our bodies and conquer the common afflictions of pain, pus and poison. He explores how certain chemicals were discovered, captured, understood and finally exploited. The first episode explores how the scientific revolution really began with the isolation of morphine at the start of the 19th century and continued into the 20th century with the manufacture of aspirin. (From the UK) (Documentary Series)

Thanks for the reminder :)

I think I like Michael Moseley’s stuff.

Is he the presenter that did the series on people who did their medical experiments on themselves, and he also did a thing where he ate lots and lots of fish for a certain period of time and documented how it thinned the blood (dangerously so)?

buffy said:

Is he the presenter that did the series on people who did their medical experiments on themselves, and he also did a thing where he ate lots and lots of fish for a certain period of time and documented how it thinned the blood (dangerously so)?

Yes.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Is he the presenter that did the series on people who did their medical experiments on themselves, and he also did a thing where he ate lots and lots of fish for a certain period of time and documented how it thinned the blood (dangerously so)?

Yes.

*blood doesn’t get ‘thinned’ btw…

You know what I mean…….

:)

buffy said:

I think I like Michael Moseley’s stuff.

Mmmm… He’s found a cunningly clever free and legal way to get off his tits… looks like smack this time.

It was very good, but now I want a fully-equipped 19th century laboratory.

Interesting.

I think he said at one point that aspirin works by stopping the pain before it gets to the brain. How does this work with headaches?

I missed it last night and forgot to watch it on iView this morning :(

Shame DA, it was very good.

I’ll try to catch it tonight on iView, having decided to give The Bible a miss :p

Very amusing in places, especially when he was trying to tell fibs after being injected with truth drug.

Divine Angel said:

I’ll try to catch it tonight on iView, having decided to give The Bible a miss :p

That might be difficult, given it was on SBS.

Bubblecar said:

Very amusing in places, especially when he was trying to tell fibs after being injected with truth drug.

Yep.. pentothal (Sodium thiopental)

I had a remarkable experience under this drug after I had broken my arm.

Heading off to the theatre for the major operation they gave me a pre-op dose…

I remember being wheeled down the hospital corridor and a series of florescent panels flashing past overhead. I must have been about 90% of the way to unconsciousness and the gurney hit a pair of those big swinging doors… It is impossible to put into words.. but if you can imagine being hit by a bus but in a good sort of way….

Ian said:

Bubblecar said:

Very amusing in places, especially when he was trying to tell fibs after being injected with truth drug.

Yep.. pentothal (Sodium thiopental)

I had a remarkable experience under this drug after I had broken my arm.

Heading off to the theatre for the major operation they gave me a pre-op dose…

I remember being wheeled down the hospital corridor and a series of florescent panels flashing past overhead. I must have been about 90% of the way to unconsciousness and the gurney hit a pair of those big swinging doors… It is impossible to put into words.. but if you can imagine being hit by a bus but in a good sort of way….

I swore undying love to a theatre nurse when coming out of pentothal anaesthetic. She said that wasn’t the craziest thing that had been said to her under those conditions.

OCDC said:

Divine Angel said:

I’ll try to catch it tonight on iView, having decided to give The Bible a miss :p

That might be difficult, given it was on SBS.

That’s OK, I have the SBS version of iView on my phone, which is easily wi-fi connected to the TV.

Bubblecar said:

I think he said at one point that aspirin works by stopping the pain before it gets to the brain. How does this work with headaches?

The pain signals are blocked in the brain. There are several points along the CNS where pain can be blocked and the opiate family work on several of these places.

Was telling my dentist about this doco this morning. She said that one of the first vaso-constrictive local anaethestics was cocaine. An alternative had to be found when both dentists and patients became addicted to it…

Divine Angel said:

Bubblecar said:

I think he said at one point that aspirin works by stopping the pain before it gets to the brain. How does this work with headaches?

The pain signals are blocked in the brain. There are several points along the CNS where pain can be blocked and the opiate family work on several of these places.

Was telling my dentist about this doco this morning. She said that one of the first vaso-constrictive local anaethestics was cocaine. An alternative had to be found when both dentists and patients became addicted to it…

COX enzymes produce molecules which regulate pain and inflammation during headaches/injury, there are more of these enzymes at injured sites etc, hence why some companies claim their drug ‘targets the site of pain’. Aspirin blocks these enzymes from converting precursors and stops the process. Aspirin also has effects on the HPA axis and some other additional sites, all of which could play a role in pain, but I’m not sure enough is known about all this in combination to give a definitive answer (apart from the it blocks the COX enzymes, that is pretty well understood).

The mechanism of action of opiates, cocaine and aspirin are remarkably different (even with the bits we know).

When Mosely said ‘it stops the pain before it gets to the brain’, the blocking of the formation of prostaglandins and thromboxanes is the reason why the part of the brain that responds to pain doesn’t get the pain message.

>>pentothal (Sodium thiopental)

This was commonly used in the induction phase of general anesthesia. Its use has been largely replaced with that of propofol.

Speaking of which (propofol) you don’t seem to feel any buzz or fading of consciousness (may well be dependent on the size of the dose) as with pentothal.

In fact, as I had a minor procedure under propofol this afternoon, I tried in vain to watch for any fading effects.. nah, it’s like flicking a switch.

Ian said:

>>pentothal (Sodium thiopental)

This was commonly used in the induction phase of general anesthesia. Its use has been largely replaced with that of propofol.

Speaking of which (propofol) you don’t seem to feel any buzz or fading of consciousness (may well be dependent on the size of the dose) as with pentothal.

In fact, as I had a minor procedure under propofol this afternoon, I tried in vain to watch for any fading effects.. nah, it’s like flicking a switch.

someone here posted that you can make your own choloform

just pour some bleach into acetone and voila

I made something accidentally once which was a combination of bleach and left over metho with hot water in a mop bucket. much fizzing

wookiemeister said:

Ian said:

>>pentothal (Sodium thiopental)

This was commonly used in the induction phase of general anesthesia. Its use has been largely replaced with that of propofol.

Speaking of which (propofol) you don’t seem to feel any buzz or fading of consciousness (may well be dependent on the size of the dose) as with pentothal.

In fact, as I had a minor procedure under propofol this afternoon, I tried in vain to watch for any fading effects.. nah, it’s like flicking a switch.

someone here posted that you can make your own choloform

just pour some bleach into acetone and voila

What could possibly go wrong!

monkey skipper said:

I made something accidentally once which was a combination of bleach and left over metho with hot water in a mop bucket. much fizzing

What happens if you mix bleach and sprite? don’t mix bleach with anything, it can create VERY poisonous chlorine gas. What happens when Methylated Spirits
http://www.google.com.au/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1TSAU_EN-GBAU547&=&q=methylated+spirits&oq=metholay&gs_l=igoogle.1.0.0i10l10.478.5141.0.7972.10.9.1.0.0.0.456.1853.2-3j2j1.6.0…0.0…1ac.1.12.igoogle.lFAfKWQY2ps#hl=en&rlz=1G1TSAU_EN-GBAU547&sclient=psy-ab&q=methylated+spirits+and+bleach&oq=methylated+spirits+and+bleach&gs_l=serp.3..0i22i30.1548.3410.0.3789.11.9.0.2.2.0.411.2655.2-5j3j1.9.0….0…1c.1.22.psy-ab..0.11.2612.GOqVgUhZ1HU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.49641647,d.dGI&fp=c8ea3c133158b213&biw=1366&bih=643

morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

Ian said:

>>pentothal (Sodium thiopental)

This was commonly used in the induction phase of general anesthesia. Its use has been largely replaced with that of propofol.

Speaking of which (propofol) you don’t seem to feel any buzz or fading of consciousness (may well be dependent on the size of the dose) as with pentothal.

In fact, as I had a minor procedure under propofol this afternoon, I tried in vain to watch for any fading effects.. nah, it’s like flicking a switch.

someone here posted that you can make your own choloform

just pour some bleach into acetone and voila

What could possibly go wrong!

don’t throw a wet towel over this morrie take the ball and start running

morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

Ian said:

>>pentothal (Sodium thiopental)

This was commonly used in the induction phase of general anesthesia. Its use has been largely replaced with that of propofol.

Speaking of which (propofol) you don’t seem to feel any buzz or fading of consciousness (may well be dependent on the size of the dose) as with pentothal.

In fact, as I had a minor procedure under propofol this afternoon, I tried in vain to watch for any fading effects.. nah, it’s like flicking a switch.

someone here posted that you can make your own choloform

just pour some bleach into acetone and voila

What could possibly go wrong!

don’t throw a wet towel over this morrie take the ball and start running

wookiemeister said:

monkey skipper said:

I made something accidentally once which was a combination of bleach and left over metho with hot water in a mop bucket. much fizzing

What happens if you mix bleach and sprite? don’t mix bleach with anything, it can create VERY poisonous chlorine gas. What happens when Methylated Spirits
http://www.google.com.au/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1TSAU_EN-GBAU547&=&q=methylated+spirits&oq=metholay&gs_l=igoogle.1.0.0i10l10.478.5141.0.7972.10.9.1.0.0.0.456.1853.2-3j2j1.6.0…0.0…1ac.1.12.igoogle.lFAfKWQY2ps#hl=en&rlz=1G1TSAU_EN-GBAU547&sclient=psy-ab&q=methylated+spirits+and+bleach&oq=methylated+spirits+and+bleach&gs_l=serp.3..0i22i30.1548.3410.0.3789.11.9.0.2.2.0.411.2655.2-5j3j1.9.0….0…1c.1.22.psy-ab..0.11.2612.GOqVgUhZ1HU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.49641647,d.dGI&fp=c8ea3c133158b213&biw=1366&bih=643

Twas a tops solvent though. The floor never looked cleaner!

monkey skipper said:

I made something accidentally once which was a combination of bleach and left over metho with hot water in a mop bucket. much fizzing

the NSA has been notified

please stay at your present location for our representatives to arrive

>>http://www.google.com.au/ search?source=ig&hl=en& rlz=1G1TSAU_EN-GBAU547&=&q=methylated+spirits&oq=metholay&gs_l=igoogle.1.0.0i10l10.478.5141.0.7972.10.9.1.0.0.0.456.1853.2-3j2j1.6.0…0.0…1ac.1.12.igoogle.lFAfKWQY2ps#hl=en&rlz=1G1TSAU_EN-GBAU547&sclient=psy-ab&q=methylated+spirits+and+bleach&oq=methylated+spirits+and+bleach&gs_l=serp.3..0i22i30.1548.3410.0.3789.11.9.0.2.2.0.411.2655.2-5j3j1.9.0….0…1c.1.22.psy-ab..0.11.2612.GOqVgUhZ1HU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.49641647,d.dGI&fp=c8ea3c133158b213&biw=1366&bih=643

I’m not typing all that out:)

Mosley mentioned ether parties..

Waay back when I was a drug-crazed hippy and dope supplies were low we would occasionally get into some ether. It was brilliant fun but the hangover was the WORST.

Ian said:

Mosley mentioned ether parties..

Waay back when I was a drug-crazed hippy and dope supplies were low we would occasionally get into some ether. It was brilliant fun but the hangover was the WORST.

Just looking at ether gives me a pounding headache. :)

wookiemeister said:

someone here posted that you can make your own choloform

just pour some bleach into acetone and voila

But why would you want to?

Chloroform#Safety

A fatal oral dose of chloroform may be as small as 10 ml (14.8 g), with death due to respiratory or cardiac arrest.

As might be expected for an anesthetic, chloroform vapors depress the central nervous system. It is immediately dangerous to life and health at approximately 500 ppm, according to the U.S. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health. Breathing about 900 ppm for a short time can cause dizziness, fatigue, and headache. Chronic chloroform exposure can damage the liver (where chloroform is metabolized to phosgene) and the kidneys, and some people develop sores when the skin is immersed in chloroform.

Animal studies have shown that miscarriages occur in rats and mice that have breathed air containing 30 to 300 ppm of chloroform during pregnancy and also in rats that have ingested chloroform during pregnancy. Offspring of rats and mice that breathed chloroform during pregnancy have a higher incidence of birth defects, and abnormal sperm have been found in male mice that have breathed air containing 400 ppm chloroform for a few days. The effect of chloroform on reproduction in humans is unknown.

Chloroform once appeared in toothpastes, cough syrups, ointments, and other pharmaceuticals, but it has been banned as a consumer product in the US since 1976. Cough syrups containing chloroform can still be legally purchased in pharmacies and supermarkets in the UK.

The US National Toxicology Program’s twelfth report on carcinogens implicates it as reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen, a designation equivalent to International Agency for Research on Cancer class 2A. The IARC itself classifies chloroform as possibly carcinogenic to humans, a Group 2B designation. It has been most readily associated with hepatocellular carcinoma. Caution is mandated during its handling in order to minimize unnecessary exposure; safer alternatives, such as dichloromethane, have resulted in a substantial reduction of its use as a solvent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene

Phosgene is the chemical compound with the formula COCl2. This colorless gas gained infamy as a chemical weapon during World War I.

…

Following the extensive use of phosgene gas in combat during World War I, it was stockpiled by various countries as part of their secret chemical weapons programs.

In May 1928, eleven tons of phosgene escaped from a war surplus store in central Hamburg. 300 people were poisoned of whom 10 died.

Phosgene was then only frequently used by the Imperial Japanese Army against the Chinese during the Second Sino-Japanese War. Gas weapons, such as phosgene, were produced by Unit 731 and authorized by specific orders given by Hirohito (Emperor Showa) himself, transmitted by the chief of staff of the army. For example, the Emperor authorized the use of toxic gas on 375 separate occasions during the battle of Wuhan from August to October 1938.

Ian said:

Mosley mentioned ether parties..

Waay back when I was a drug-crazed hippy and dope supplies were low we would occasionally get into some ether. It was brilliant fun but the hangover was the WORST.

Yeah? Like what – vomiting and headaches, or more than that?

party_pants said:

Ian said:

Mosley mentioned ether parties..

Waay back when I was a drug-crazed hippy and dope supplies were low we would occasionally get into some ether. It was brilliant fun but the hangover was the WORST.

Yeah? Like what – vomiting and headaches, or more than that?

General malaise and feeling of shiteness…it was easy to get in 1st year biology.

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

Ian said:

Mosley mentioned ether parties..

Waay back when I was a drug-crazed hippy and dope supplies were low we would occasionally get into some ether. It was brilliant fun but the hangover was the WORST.

Yeah? Like what – vomiting and headaches, or more than that?

General malaise and feeling of shiteness…it was easy to get in 1st year biology.

Even earlier than that, I got it in fourth form biology :)

Ian said:

Waay back when I was a drug-crazed hippy and dope supplies were low we would occasionally get into some ether. It was brilliant fun but the hangover was the WORST.

So what are some of the fun effects of ether? Is it like smoking dope, or doing nitrous?

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

Ian said:

Mosley mentioned ether parties..

Waay back when I was a drug-crazed hippy and dope supplies were low we would occasionally get into some ether. It was brilliant fun but the hangover was the WORST.

Yeah? Like what – vomiting and headaches, or more than that?

General malaise and feeling of shiteness…it was easy to get in 1st year biology.

They nearly killed me with ether when I was a lad with tonsilitis

>> General malaise and feeling of shiteness…

and a massive headache . .

>> it was easy to get in 1st year biology

The local pharmacists must have wondered about how keen those students really were on their Drosophila experiments :)

Witty Rejoinder said:

Ian said:

Waay back when I was a drug-crazed hippy and dope supplies were low we would occasionally get into some ether. It was brilliant fun but the hangover was the WORST.

So what are some of the fun effects of ether? Is it like smoking dope, or doing nitrous?

Just made me feel quite drunk (with ‘ether goggles’) and happy.

Witty Rejoinder said:

So what are some of the fun effects of ether? Is it like smoking dope, or doing nitrous?

Not like dope. More like a cross between nitrous & alcohol. It comes on a bit slower than nitrous, and lasts much longer.

FWIW, when alcohol tax was first introduced, some people got into drinking ether. They say that you could smell ether in the streets in some locales.

Also, there are stories of unpleasant explosions occurring when people drunk on ether attempted to light a pipe…

Witty Rejoinder said:

Ian said:

Waay back when I was a drug-crazed hippy and dope supplies were low we would occasionally get into some ether. It was brilliant fun but the hangover was the WORST.

So what are some of the fun effects of ether? Is it like smoking dope, or doing nitrous?

Yeah, like being very stoned, literally buzzing (cause it’s an anaesthetic)..

..some came up from a heavy dose claiming to have discovered ‘cosmic truths’.

PM 2Ring said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So what are some of the fun effects of ether? Is it like smoking dope, or doing nitrous?

Not like dope. More like a cross between nitrous & alcohol. It comes on a bit slower than nitrous, and lasts much longer.

FWIW, when alcohol tax was first introduced, some people got into drinking ether. They say that you could smell ether in the streets in some locales.

Also, there are stories of unpleasant explosions occurring when people drunk on ether attempted to light a pipe…

The smoker I drink..

roughbarked said:

The smoker I drink…

… the player I get

>The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get

Used to love giving that one a flogging at ridiculous volumes.

There’s a youtube around of Joe playing RMW and complaining at the end that if he’d realized how many times he would have to be playing this song he would have written a much more interesting progression :)

Ian said:

There’s a youtube around of Joe playing RMW and complaining at the end that if he’d realized how many times he would have to be playing this song he would have written a much more interesting progression :)

LOL
It’s still a good song, though. But I’d hate to be condemned to playing it at every gig.

PM 2Ring said:

roughbarked said:

The smoker I drink…

… the player I get

Ah another Joe Walsh fan.

PM 2Ring said:

Ian said:

There’s a youtube around of Joe playing RMW and complaining at the end that if he’d realized how many times he would have to be playing this song he would have written a much more interesting progression :)

LOL
It’s still a good song, though. But I’d hate to be condemned to playing it at every gig.

.. fair points made.

roughbarked said:

PM 2Ring said:

roughbarked said:

The smoker I drink…

… the player I get

Ah another Joe Walsh fan.

Joe’s ok.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Walsh
Walsh has been a contributor to such causes as halfway houses for displaced adult women in Wichita, Kansas.

Walsh ran for President of the United States in 1980 on top of his music career as a mock campaign. He promised to make “Life’s Been Good” the new national anthem if he won, and ran on a platform of “Free Gas For Everyone.” Though Walsh was not old enough to actually assume the office, he wanted to raise public awareness of the election. In 1992 Walsh ran for vice president with Rev. Goat Carson under the slogan “We Want Our Money Back!”.

PM 2Ring said:

roughbarked said:

PM 2Ring said:

… the player I get

Ah another Joe Walsh fan.

Joe’s ok.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Walsh
Walsh has been a contributor to such causes as halfway houses for displaced adult women in Wichita, Kansas.

Walsh ran for President of the United States in 1980 on top of his music career as a mock campaign. He promised to make “Life’s Been Good” the new national anthem if he won, and ran on a platform of “Free Gas For Everyone.” Though Walsh was not old enough to actually assume the office, he wanted to raise public awareness of the election. In 1992 Walsh ran for vice president with Rev. Goat Carson under the slogan “We Want Our Money Back!”.

Yeah. That’s what I’ve always liked about him.

I’ve got a new 12 string so I’ll be giving; the ashes the rain and I.. a go.

It was on The James Gang ~ Y’er Album

bump for tonight’s episode, SBS1 8:30.

I’m gonna miss the start of it but will watch it tomorrow. It’s on my Watchlist on the SBS app so I won’t miss it.

I’ve convinced mumsy that there’s a fascinating history show on SBS at 8:30 about the Plague in the middle ages. Not a complete lie. TROLLOLOLOLOL

I’m hoping to find the answer to this question: How many different colours does pus come in?

Yellow, green, red-tinged, brown. That’s all I’ve seen.

I guess by definition pus won’t be clear.

Nope.

I have an obstinately infected thumb at the moment, under the nail, and you can see a little patch of green through the nail. Been hurting for 11 days now. Doesn’t seem to be anything I can do because it’s inaccessible to antiseptic etc.

Bubblecar said:

I have an obstinately infected thumb at the moment, under the nail, and you can see a little patch of green through the nail. Been hurting for 11 days now. Doesn’t seem to be anything I can do because it’s inaccessible to antiseptic etc.

If only there was some sort of oral thing you could take that would get to that hard to reach spot…

Bubblecar said:

I have an obstinately infected thumb at the moment, under the nail, and you can see a little patch of green through the nail. Been hurting for 11 days now. Doesn’t seem to be anything I can do because it’s inaccessible to antiseptic etc.

drill through the nail and squeeze the gunk out by your doctor and oral anti-biotocs and topical betadine baths?

Amputate.

OCDC said:

Amputate.

even better

poikilotherm said:

Bubblecar said:

I have an obstinately infected thumb at the moment, under the nail, and you can see a little patch of green through the nail. Been hurting for 11 days now. Doesn’t seem to be anything I can do because it’s inaccessible to antiseptic etc.

If only there was some sort of oral thing you could take that would get to that hard to reach spot…

You’re right. Pours glass of cheap but tasty red.

monkey skipper said:

Bubblecar said:

I have an obstinately infected thumb at the moment, under the nail, and you can see a little patch of green through the nail. Been hurting for 11 days now. Doesn’t seem to be anything I can do because it’s inaccessible to antiseptic etc.

drill through the nail and squeeze the gunk out by your doctor and oral anti-biotocs and topical betadine baths?

Hmm, don’t fancy drilling holes in my digits.

Bubblecar said:

monkey skipper said:

Bubblecar said:

I have an obstinately infected thumb at the moment, under the nail, and you can see a little patch of green through the nail. Been hurting for 11 days now. Doesn’t seem to be anything I can do because it’s inaccessible to antiseptic etc.

drill through the nail and squeeze the gunk out by your doctor and oral anti-biotocs and topical betadine baths?

Hmm, don’t fancy drilling holes in my digits.

People do to release the pressure of blood blisters

Bubblecar said:

bump for tonight’s episode, SBS1 8:30.

I got SBS’d out watching Mythbusters.

Quite interesting, but they sure drag things out.

Still with Mythbusters here. I’d rather they just went through each one in entirety rather than all this mix and matching stuff.

Bah, doesn’t look like I’ll be taping tonight’s programme, or seeing it. After moving the TV unit out of its place clear of last night’s waterfall ceiling, the set-top-box doesn’t want to work any more.

buffy said:

Still with Mythbusters here. I’d rather they just went through each one in entirety rather than all this mix and matching stuff.

Hello Buffy, and welcome to the world of television.

And they are now not comparing like with like. The dummy in the door is not in the same position, taped into place the same in both tests.

Nope, completely dead. Power light is on but nothing happening on the television when I turn the STB on. All connections are still connected and the VCR is working fine.

I’ll bill the # landlady for a new one :/

Bubblecar said:

I’ll bill the # landlady for a new one :/

Bubblecar said:

I’ll bill the # landlady for a new one :/

Hmm, wonder where that little x came from.

Now that I’ve missed half of it, finally got it working again.

Just watched the half I managed to tape and enjoyed it. Worth getting the DVD.

Bubblecar said:

Just watched the half I managed to tape and enjoyed it. Worth getting the DVD.

it’s on the SBS website. Perhaps your sister with NBN could download and record it for you?

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Just watched the half I managed to tape and enjoyed it. Worth getting the DVD.

it’s on the SBS website. Perhaps your sister with NBN could download and record it for you?

She’s not very tech savvy. Besides, I like buying DVDs :)

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Just watched the half I managed to tape and enjoyed it. Worth getting the DVD.

it’s on the SBS website. Perhaps your sister with NBN could download and record it for you?

She’s not very tech savvy. Besides, I like buying DVDs :)

Fair enough.

I watching it right now, and recording it for my brother to watch later.

Bubblecar said:

I have an obstinately infected thumb at the moment, under the nail, and you can see a little patch of green through the nail. Been hurting for 11 days now. Doesn’t seem to be anything I can do because it’s inaccessible to antiseptic etc.

Please get that seen to, Bubblecar.

Sure, it might clear up by itself, but those sort of things have a tendency to be very persistent. If it gets really bad, amputation may seem like a desirable option. :)

PM 2Ring said:

Bubblecar said:

I have an obstinately infected thumb at the moment, under the nail, and you can see a little patch of green through the nail. Been hurting for 11 days now. Doesn’t seem to be anything I can do because it’s inaccessible to antiseptic etc.

Please get that seen to, Bubblecar.

Sure, it might clear up by itself, but those sort of things have a tendency to be very persistent. If it gets really bad, amputation may seem like a desirable option. :)

Drill a hole through nail.

roughbarked said:

Drill a hole through nail.

Slowly and carefully with a sterilised pin.

…. not with a cordless drill and 3mm bit.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Drill a hole through nail.

Slowly and carefully with a sterilised pin.

…. not with a cordless drill and 3mm bit.

yeah. I hope everyone knew what I meant.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Drill a hole through nail.

Slowly and carefully with a sterilised pin.

…. not with a cordless drill and 3mm bit.

yeah. I hope everyone knew what I meant.

You know – I’ve been on this forum and the last one so long – I thought i’d better mention it just in case :)

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Slowly and carefully with a sterilised pin.

…. not with a cordless drill and 3mm bit.

yeah. I hope everyone knew what I meant.

You know – I’ve been on this forum and the last one so long – I thought i’d better mention it just in case :)

Well one can make their own drill bits but once through the nail it has to be stainless steel

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Slowly and carefully with a sterilised pin.

…. not with a cordless drill and 3mm bit.

yeah. I hope everyone knew what I meant.

You know – I’ve been on this forum and the last one so long – I thought i’d better mention it just in case :)

cordless drills are a valuable part of the tool table in some places..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-24/moldovan-doctors-used-drill2c-pliers-in-surgery-on-children/4839382

http://www.abc.net.au/btn/story/s2578017.htm

If you’ve ever checked out your dad’s or a rely’s tool shed, it’s unlikely you would have spotted something that looked like it could perform a life saving operation – power drill maybe? Sounds crazy but a Doctor in country Victoria actually did that. He drilled into the skull of a teenage boy and saved his life.

Arts said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

yeah. I hope everyone knew what I meant.

You know – I’ve been on this forum and the last one so long – I thought i’d better mention it just in case :)

cordless drills are a valuable part of the tool table in some places..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-24/moldovan-doctors-used-drill2c-pliers-in-surgery-on-children/4839382

http://www.abc.net.au/btn/story/s2578017.htm

If you’ve ever checked out your dad’s or a rely’s tool shed, it’s unlikely you would have spotted something that looked like it could perform a life saving operation – power drill maybe? Sounds crazy but a Doctor in country Victoria actually did that. He drilled into the skull of a teenage boy and saved his life.

Talked to a nurse who’d done some humanitarian work in Mogadishu many years ago. Apparently some hot-shot US combat surgeon used a battery drill, hole-saw, pliers and stapler to remove a bullet from someone’s head just to show it could be done.

Arts said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

yeah. I hope everyone knew what I meant.

You know – I’ve been on this forum and the last one so long – I thought i’d better mention it just in case :)

cordless drills are a valuable part of the tool table in some places..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-24/moldovan-doctors-used-drill2c-pliers-in-surgery-on-children/4839382

http://www.abc.net.au/btn/story/s2578017.htm

If you’ve ever checked out your dad’s or a rely’s tool shed, it’s unlikely you would have spotted something that looked like it could perform a life saving operation – power drill maybe? Sounds crazy but a Doctor in country Victoria actually did that. He drilled into the skull of a teenage boy and saved his life.

Bet he lubricated the drill bit with antiseptic.

medicine is grand isn’t it?

I did start to watch the show, but I had a terrible day of vomit yesterday so fell asleep from pure exhaustion… hopefully it’s available on ‘foxtel go’

Arts said:

medicine is grand isn’t it?

I did start to watch the show, but I had a terrible day of vomit yesterday so fell asleep from pure exhaustion… hopefully it’s available on ‘foxtel go’

SBS On Demand. Same concept as iView. (Are we talking about the pus show?)

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

medicine is grand isn’t it?

I did start to watch the show, but I had a terrible day of vomit yesterday so fell asleep from pure exhaustion… hopefully it’s available on ‘foxtel go’

SBS On Demand. Same concept as iView. (Are we talking about the pus show?)

yes thanks.

From the Pus ep:

If our ancestors survived the Spanish Flu, does that mean that we are somewhat immune from it due to natural selection?

Divine Angel said:

From the Pus ep:

If our ancestors survived the Spanish Flu, does that mean that we are somewhat immune from it due to natural selection?

What is somewhat immune?

Less than completely immune? Gimme a break, I just woke up :p

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

From the Pus ep:

If our ancestors survived the Spanish Flu, does that mean that we are somewhat immune from it due to natural selection?

What is somewhat immune?

But the answer is likely no.

Divine Angel said:

Less than completely immune? Gimme a break, I just woke up :p

:P

Morning is my time dammit, after this, it is all downhill for me.

poikilotherm said:

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

From the Pus ep:

If our ancestors survived the Spanish Flu, does that mean that we are somewhat immune from it due to natural selection?

What is somewhat immune?

But the answer is likely no.

Somewhat immune means deaths are significantly less than no immunity, I’d guess.

Why is the answer no?

There’s a reason I work afternoons :)

Divine Angel said:

There’s a reason I work afternoons :)

Quote from Frank Sinatra ( or maybe one of the other Rat Packers) “ I feel sorry for people who don’t drink. When they get up in the morning, it’s the best they’re going to feel all day”

The Rev Dodgson said:

poikilotherm said:

poikilotherm said:

What is somewhat immune?

But the answer is likely no.

Somewhat immune means deaths are significantly less than no immunity, I’d guess.

Why is the answer no?

Just arguing really.

Those that coped well with Spanish flu had previously been exposed to Russian flu (apparently – I don’t know if it was everyone), so, it was more to do with what their immune system had been primed for, rather than an innate ability to fight Spanish flu.

Another thought- If we could inherit resistance to specific antigens etc, even mild resistance, why isn’t vaccinated immunity passed on to children?

pommiejohn said:

Divine Angel said:

There’s a reason I work afternoons :)

Quote from Frank Sinatra ( or maybe one of the other Rat Packers) “ I feel sorry for people who don’t drink. When they get up in the morning, it’s the best they’re going to feel all day”

From memory it was Dean Martin.

Come the revolution, morning people will be the first up against the wall!

sibeen said:

Come the revolution, morning people will be the first up against the wall!

They’ll be the only ones out of bed, so where do we find the firing squad?

Off to work.

later

poikilotherm said:

Those that coped well with Spanish flu had previously been exposed to Russian flu (apparently – I don’t know if it was everyone), so, it was more to do with what their immune system had been primed for, rather than an innate ability to fight Spanish flu.

Ah OK, that makes more sense to me. It’s not that the survivors had an innate ability to ward off flu, they’d already been “naturally vaccinated” by the Russian flu.

I did have another question arising from the program but I forget what it was.

Divine Angel said:

poikilotherm said:

Those that coped well with Spanish flu had previously been exposed to Russian flu (apparently – I don’t know if it was everyone), so, it was more to do with what their immune system had been primed for, rather than an innate ability to fight Spanish flu.

Ah OK, that makes more sense to me. It’s not that the survivors had an innate ability to ward off flu, they’d already been “naturally vaccinated” by the Russian flu.

I did have another question arising from the program but I forget what it was.

A good immune system was a bad thing to have apparently – many deaths were thought to be caused by cytokine storm (over reaction of a healthy immune system).

Last episode tonight:

PAIN, PUS AND POISON: POISON.Monday 5th August at 8.30 pm (60 minutes)
Channel: SBS
Dr Michael Mosley tells the extraordinary story of how scientists learnt to use the world around us to heal our bodies and conquer the common afflictions of pain, pus and poison. Poisons in the natural world kill thousands of people every year. They attack our bodies, leading to a short-circuit. Yet some poisons are now being used to improve the way we look! Today the hunt is on for other poisons that can actually help to cure us. (From the UK) (Documentary Series)