I hope the Norwegian government puts great pressure on Dubai
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/20/world/meast/uae-norway-rape-controversy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23381448
CrazyNeutrino said:
I hope the Norwegian government puts great pressure on Dubai
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/20/world/meast/uae-norway-rape-controversy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23381448
It’s not the first instance of this nature, so I wouldn’t bet on any widescale change without some grassroots movement.
>>>It’s not the first instance of this nature, so I wouldn’t bet on any widescale change without some grassroots movement.
agree, there have have been many other women who have received similar treatment
I’m assuming the translation is accurate here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J7_TKgw1To
in Dubai they arrested some bloke who filmed someone beating another person in a road rage incident.
rather than arrest the problem, they decided to arrest the messenger
don’t try to understand them, just don’t go there if you don’t want to be raped
A WOMAN who was jailed in Dubai for having sex outside marriage after she reported an alleged rape has been pardoned after an outcry.
Interior designer Marte Deborah Dalelv, of Norway, was on a business trip in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates when she says she was raped in March.
Woman raped on business trip jailed for extramarital sex
Marte Deborah Dalelv told Associated Press she was given back her passport by the public prosecutor’s office today and that her 16-month sentence for having sex outside marriage had been dropped.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/dubai-pardons-marte-dalelv-jailed-for-sex-outside-marriage-after-rape/story-e6frfq80-1226683385852#ixzz2ZmD7dJng
Arts said:
A WOMAN who was jailed in Dubai for having sex outside marriage after she reported an alleged rape has been pardoned after an outcry.
Hooray! The justice system works!
Good to see the right decision made eventually. But it’s still a fucked up system to begin with.
party_pants said:
Good to see the right decision made eventually. But it’s still a fucked up system to begin with.
Did anything happen to the alleged rapists?
Carmen_Sandiego said:
party_pants said:
Good to see the right decision made eventually. But it’s still a fucked up system to begin with.
Did anything happen to the alleged rapists?
Dunno.
See, this is where my Arts degree began to unravel – Postmodern cultural relativism demands that the Anthropologist be able to describe and record these cultural practices without imposing his/her own cultural values.
Fuck that. These people are arseholes. I’m not ‘recording and describing’ that shit without comment.
it’s going to be a long hard and sometimes tragic road to changing these attitudes and behaviours.. I hope this is the beginning to a better future for the women.
Rule 303 said:
See, this is where my Arts degree began to unravel – Postmodern cultural relativism demands that the Anthropologist be able to describe and record these cultural practices without imposing his/her own cultural values.Fuck that. These people are arseholes. I’m not ‘recording and describing’ that shit without comment.
This is where my engineering degree melds with your thoughts :)
Fuck that, there is a paradigm where I will stand and say “that is fucking wrong…end of story”
Rule 303 said:
See, this is where my Arts degree began to unravel – Postmodern cultural relativism demands that the Anthropologist be able to describe and record these cultural practices without imposing his/her own cultural values.Fuck that. These people are arseholes. I’m not ‘recording and describing’ that shit without comment.
Not done an arts degree and that makes sense, but it also explains a lot in what I consider a generic lefty position of condoning or at least ignoring all sorts of repugnant crap.
retreats to slit trench with overhead protection
Skunkworks said:
Rule 303 said:
See, this is where my Arts degree began to unravel – Postmodern cultural relativism demands that the Anthropologist be able to describe and record these cultural practices without imposing his/her own cultural values.Fuck that. These people are arseholes. I’m not ‘recording and describing’ that shit without comment.
Not done an arts degree and that makes sense, but it also explains a lot in what I consider a generic lefty position of condoning or at least ignoring all sorts of repugnant crap.
retreats to slit trench with overhead protection
Even lefties hate muslims
puts on hard hat
Skunkworks said:
it also explains a lot in what I consider a generic lefty position of condoning or at least ignoring all sorts of repugnant crap.
As compared to the generic Righty position which creates it?
+ snorts +
Rule 303 said:
Skunkworks said:it also explains a lot in what I consider a generic lefty position of condoning or at least ignoring all sorts of repugnant crap.As compared to the generic Righty position which creates it?
+ snorts +
Cannot deny that. Lots of blowback in lots of things.
Rule 303 said:
Skunkworks said:it also explains a lot in what I consider a generic lefty position of condoning or at least ignoring all sorts of repugnant crap.As compared to the generic Righty position which creates it?
+ snorts +
Yep, like the “send refugees to PNG”.
Fuuuuck. Really, it is an incomprehensible decision, completely out of left field (sic).
My visceral derision of Rudd went up an order of magnitude on Friday eve.
sibeen said:
Rule 303 said:
Skunkworks said:it also explains a lot in what I consider a generic lefty position of condoning or at least ignoring all sorts of repugnant crap.As compared to the generic Righty position which creates it?
+ snorts +
Yep, like the “send refugees to PNG”.
Fuuuuck. Really, it is an incomprehensible decision, completely out of left field (sic).
My visceral derision of Rudd went up an order of magnitude on Friday eve.
Richardson, anything it takes.
Imagine if Abbot had announced this as an electoral policy. Faaaaaaaark. This forum would be alive with howling and condemnation.
But as it is, it seems to me, most lefties are staying stuhm apart from the young angry ones.
sibeen said:
Yep, like the “send refugees to PNG”.Fuuuuck. Really, it is an incomprehensible decision, completely out of left field (sic).
Yeah, it’s desperate stuff. He’s estimated his support and thrown his hand to the wind on this issue. Rudd doesn’t have the gift of the GST (Good Ship Tampa) that Howard had to bend the wrist of the nation with.
sibeen said:
My visceral derision of Rudd went up an order of magnitude on Friday eve.
It’s the action of a pragmatist. The Labor-independent coalition government was fucked, stuffed, and rooted, under Gillard.
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:Yep, like the “send refugees to PNG”.Fuuuuck. Really, it is an incomprehensible decision, completely out of left field (sic).
Yeah, it’s desperate stuff. He’s estimated his support and thrown his hand to the wind on this issue. Rudd doesn’t have the gift of the GST (Good Ship Tampa) that Howard had to bend the wrist of the nation with.
sibeen said:
My visceral derision of Rudd went up an order of magnitude on Friday eve.It’s the action of a pragmatist. The Labor-independent coalition government was fucked, stuffed, and rooted, under Gillard.
Ahh, the Rudd is a pragmatist, Abbot is evil meme.
Riiight.
Skunkworks said:
sibeen said:
Rule 303 said:As compared to the generic Righty position which creates it?
+ snorts +
Yep, like the “send refugees to PNG”.
Fuuuuck. Really, it is an incomprehensible decision, completely out of left field (sic).
My visceral derision of Rudd went up an order of magnitude on Friday eve.
Richardson, anything it takes.
Imagine if Abbot had announced this as an electoral policy. Faaaaaaaark. This forum would be alive with howling and condemnation.
But as it is, it seems to me, most lefties are staying stuhm apart from the young angry ones.
Lots of left aligned type folk are somewhat outraged…
This is just an example of what Australian politics has come to… Policy is now an out-and-out completion between sides to outdo each other.
sibeen said:
Ahh, the Rudd is a pragmatist, Abbot is evil meme.
Riiight.
Is that really a meme?
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:Ahh, the Rudd is a pragmatist, Abbot is evil meme.
Riiight.Is that really a meme?
Umm, if this forum is to go by, then yes :)
It’s a screaming meemee
diddly-squat said:
This is just an example of what Australian politics has come to… Policy is now an out-and-out completion between sides to outdo each other.
You can blame Western Sydney where Labor is hurting. Not so much anglo racists the biggest objectors seem to be other refugees and children of refugees.
Go figure.
dv said:
It’s a screaming meemee
Heh.
:-)
Skunkworks said:
diddly-squat said:
This is just an example of what Australian politics has come to… Policy is now an out-and-out completion between sides to outdo each other.
You can blame Western Sydney where Labor is hurting. Not so much anglo racists the biggest objectors seem to be other refugees and children of refugees.
Go figure.
My old man and his family immigrated from Holland in the 50s, he is staunchly against boat arrivals… When I remind him of his past he suggests that it was somehow “different”… shrugs
Skunkworks said:
You can blame Western Sydney where Labor is hurting. Not so much anglo racists the biggest objectors seem to be other refugees and children of refugees.
Go figure.
I’d like a ref for that. Anglos are still the majority in the western Sydney seats that Labor covets.
diddly-squat said:
Skunkworks said:
diddly-squat said:
This is just an example of what Australian politics has come to… Policy is now an out-and-out completion between sides to outdo each other.
You can blame Western Sydney where Labor is hurting. Not so much anglo racists the biggest objectors seem to be other refugees and children of refugees.
Go figure.
My old man and his family immigrated from Holland in the 50s, he is staunchly against boat arrivals… When I remind him of his past he suggests that it was somehow “different”… shrugs
Same with my father. His response, ‘we were asked’.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Skunkworks said:You can blame Western Sydney where Labor is hurting. Not so much anglo racists the biggest objectors seem to be other refugees and children of refugees.
Go figure.
I’d like a ref for that. Anglos are still the majority in the western Sydney seats that Labor covets.
Ooookay, reworded, Labor internal polling indicated that they would lose Western Sydney because a large percentage of those that voted for them previously and were refugees or children of refuges would not vote for them without a strong border policy. Better?
diddly-squat said:
My old man and his family immigrated from Holland in the 50s, he is staunchly against boat arrivals… When I remind him of his past he suggests that it was somehow “different”… shrugs
My Dad is the opposite. He migrated here on assisted passage in 1970, he reckons the government decided at the time there was a shortage of Dutchman in Australia.
He is fuming over this decision.
Skunkworks said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Skunkworks said:You can blame Western Sydney where Labor is hurting. Not so much anglo racists the biggest objectors seem to be other refugees and children of refugees.
Go figure.
I’d like a ref for that. Anglos are still the majority in the western Sydney seats that Labor covets.
Ooookay, reworded, Labor internal polling indicated that they would lose Western Sydney because a large percentage of those that voted for them previously and were refugees or children of refuges would not vote for them without a strong border policy. Better?
I really struggle to understand why this is still a political issue… We need a proper recession to remind people what real problems are…
Slightly TIC
My dad was dirt poor and wanted to escape Ireland. He was not being persecuted, he wanted a better life. I suspect many of the asylum seekers are the same. Bob Carr seems to think so.
Skunkworks said:
Ooookay, reworded, Labor internal polling indicated that they would lose Western Sydney because a large percentage of those that voted for them previously and were refugees or children of refuges would not vote for them without a strong border policy. Better?
I am after a ref for your contention that it is mainly refugees or the children thereof who are the biggest supporters of tough border protection policies.
They are not howling for toughers laws in Cabramatta or Canterbury but in the anglo-dominated seats further west.
diddly-squat said:
My old man and his family immigrated from Holland in the 50s, he is staunchly against boat arrivals… When I remind him of his past he suggests that it was somehow “different”… shrugs
Like so many are now about the mining industry and the 457 Visa workers. That shit’s been going on for so long we’re oblivious to it.
Ask people of my mum’s generation what they thought all those Chinese people were doing in Bendigo…?
I am after a ref for your contention that it is mainly refugees or the children thereof who are the biggest supporters of tough border protection policies.
They are not howling for toughers laws in Cabramatta or Canterbury but in the anglo-dominated seats further west.
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I have no opinion on this specific topic due to a lack of data!
Ask people of my mum’s generation what they thought all those Chinese people were doing in Bendigo…?
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I don’t know how old your mum is but do tell me, what did they think all those Chinese people were doing in Bendigo?
Witty Rejoinder said:
I am after a ref for your contention that it is mainly refugees or the children thereof who are the biggest supporters of tough border protection policies.They are not howling for toughers laws in Cabramatta or Canterbury but in the anglo-dominated seats further west.
Labour used to have the local immigrant and non caucasion vote in the bag. My ref is Labor politicians saying that boat people issues were killing them, it is late and I could not be bothered searching for references so in the absence I cheerfully withdraw the statement your honour.
Skunkworks said:
Labour used to have the local immigrant and non caucasion vote in the bag. My ref is Labor politicians saying that boat people issues were killing them, it is late and I could not be bothered searching for references so in the absence I cheerfully withdraw the statement your honour.
I think we are talking at cross-purposes. I am disputing the demographics of the western Sydney seats in question.
dv said:
I don’t know how old your mum is but do tell me, what did they think all those Chinese people were doing in Bendigo?
Being industrious and cooking healthy food and never letting anything go to waste and so on… Certainly not taking jobs from good hard-working Anglo stock.
‘And Bendigo was the richest city in the world’ they proclaim, while bemoaning the absurd real estate prices in Perth.
It’s hilarious….