Date: 19/08/2013 08:58:21
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 372386
Subject: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Any other information available on this?

Photographs Of Water Crystals

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:17:35
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 372389
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Riff-in-Thyme said:


Any other information available on this?

Photographs Of Water Crystals

Other than that it is a good example of confirmation bias in action?

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:21:00
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 372392
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

The Rev Dodgson said:


Riff-in-Thyme said:

Any other information available on this?

Photographs Of Water Crystals

Other than that it is a good example of confirmation bias in action?

Not making much effort this morning Rev. Data please.

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:28:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 372397
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Riff-in-Thyme said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

Any other information available on this?

Photographs Of Water Crystals

Other than that it is a good example of confirmation bias in action?

Not making much effort this morning Rev. Data please.

Sorry, but I really don’t think that one is worth any more effort.

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:30:04
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 372399
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

The Rev Dodgson said:


Riff-in-Thyme said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Other than that it is a good example of confirmation bias in action?

Not making much effort this morning Rev. Data please.

Sorry, but I really don’t think that one is worth any more effort.

Well referring to confirmation bias doesn’t clarify your reason for me.

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:31:37
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 372400
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

There are things in the universe and indeed the firmament that we know so little of.
I can only refer you to the double blind test done on Elmer Gantry when he cured two vision impaired pilgrims at the same tent revival meeting in Louisville.

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:33:35
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 372404
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Riff-in-Thyme said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

Not making much effort this morning Rev. Data please.

Sorry, but I really don’t think that one is worth any more effort.

Well referring to confirmation bias doesn’t clarify your reason for me.

It presented some photographs of ice crystals, and stated that the differences were affected by the thoughts of people in the vicinity as a statement of fact, without any information at all about how this conclusion was reached.

In what way does this suggest that this might be worth further investigation? There are 1000’s of sites like that.

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:34:46
From: dv
ID: 372405
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Whoever knocked that site up is the one not making much effort.

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:35:30
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 372406
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

The Rev Dodgson said:

It presented some photographs of ice crystals, and stated that the differences were affected by the thoughts of people in the vicinity as a statement of fact, without any information at all about how this conclusion was reached.

Which is why I asked if there were more information available on Dr Emoto’s study.

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:36:23
From: dv
ID: 372407
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Which is why I asked if there were more information available on Dr Emoto’s study.

So … you want us to google for you?

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:36:32
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 372409
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

dv said:


Whoever knocked that site up is the one not making much effort.

Which is why I asked if more information were available on Dr Emoto’s study.

:P

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:37:32
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 372410
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

I am being lazy I guess but I have to go sign lawyer stuff very soon so am a little distracted. My apologies.

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:38:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 372412
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Peak Warming Man said:


There are things in the universe and indeed the firmament that we know so little of.
I can only refer you to the double blind test done on Elmer Gantry when he cured two vision impaired pilgrims at the same tent revival meeting in Louisville.

Well yes, there is that I suppose.

(Did you know that Elmer Gantry was the name of an excellent late 60’s rock band?)

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:38:55
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 372414
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

dv said:


Which is why I asked if there were more information available on Dr Emoto’s study.

So … you want us to google for you?

YES. duh!!! :P

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:41:16
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 372417
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Riff-in-Thyme said:


dv said:

Which is why I asked if there were more information available on Dr Emoto’s study.

So … you want us to google for you?

I will google it when I get back :)

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Date: 19/08/2013 09:42:59
From: Arts
ID: 372420
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

“Gives a whole new meaning to “Holy Water”, Right?”

he should get some holy water, take a photo, then feed it satanic thoughts.. see what happens
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Date: 19/08/2013 09:56:14
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 372427
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Aren’t thought and prayer the same thing?

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Date: 19/08/2013 10:16:26
From: Divine Angel
ID: 372432
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

“In conclusion, the present pilot results are consistent with a number of previous studies suggesting that intention may be able to influence the structure of water. Future replications should concentrate on eliminating all conceivable conventional artifacts, and protocols should be employed that can help discriminate among the various unconventional explanations.”

Radin, Hayssen, Emoto, Kizu 2006 ‘Double-Blind Test of the Effects of Distant Intention on Water Crystal Formation’ EXPLORE: The Journal of Science and Healing, Vol 2 Issue 5 Sept 2006 pp 408-411

The other results I found were Emoto -authored articles in journals of alternative medicine.

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Date: 19/08/2013 10:24:38
From: buffy
ID: 372435
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Didn’t anyone else notice the name?

Emoto?

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Date: 19/08/2013 10:28:27
From: Divine Angel
ID: 372439
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

I can’t find any studies in which Masaru Emoto wasn’t an author. I did find one study about “Synthesis of vector wave envelopes on the free surface of a random medium for the vertical incidence of a plane wavelet based on the Markov approximation” by a Kentauro Emoto though.

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Date: 19/08/2013 10:28:51
From: Divine Angel
ID: 372440
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Sorry, Kentaro Emoto.

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Date: 19/08/2013 11:07:44
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 372455
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Divine Angel said:


I can’t find any studies in which Masaru Emoto wasn’t an author. I did find one study about “Synthesis of vector wave envelopes on the free surface of a random medium for the vertical incidence of a plane wavelet based on the Markov approximation” by a Kentauro Emoto though.

thanks for the efforts DA :D

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Date: 19/08/2013 12:01:01
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 372478
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Masaru Emoto is a well known woowoo.

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Date: 19/08/2013 12:04:24
From: Dropbear
ID: 372479
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Not much thought a little too much prayer.

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Date: 19/08/2013 12:09:23
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 372484
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

Dropbear said:


Not much thought a little too much prayer.

say a little prayer for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtBbyglq37E

I must look at some art images

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Date: 19/08/2013 12:09:36
From: transition
ID: 372485
Subject: re: Thought and prayer found to effect ice crystallisation?

>“Again, for comparison, here is the intent projected of “You make me sick, I will kill you”

Oh yes, I seems so obvious, I was quite impressed by the use of the extremes of comparison, and it just brought home how insensitive i’ve become to subtleties.

Next time I have a nonsense-induced headache I’ll get someone to back over my head with a truck just for some recalibration.

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