This article shows some opinions as to whether the recent alleged chemical attack was staged or not, it seems, from the footage released, that the most obvious indicator that this was not an attack using weapons grade munitions is the fact that the rescuers are not wearing protective gear, yet seem unaffected by the neurotoxins.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-indicates-that-syrian-government-did-not-launch-a-chemical-weapon-attack-against-its-people/5346804

This puts the West between a rock and a hard place, they either have to keep pushing the lies, which have widespread scepticism, or admit that their precious Islamist rebels are either faking attacks, or worse, carrying out low grade chemical attacks, to blame on the Syrian army.

Anywho said:

This article shows some opinions as to whether the recent alleged chemical attack was staged or not, it seems, from the footage released, that the most obvious indicator that this was not an attack using weapons grade munitions is the fact that the rescuers are not wearing protective gear, yet seem unaffected by the neurotoxins.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-indicates-that-syrian-government-did-not-launch-a-chemical-weapon-attack-against-its-people/5346804

This puts the West between a rock and a hard place, they either have to keep pushing the lies, which have widespread scepticism, or admit that their precious Islamist rebels are either faking attacks, or worse, carrying out low grade chemical attacks, to blame on the Syrian army.

I hope we find out. I sorta kinda think no, not a govt operation, or if it was a poorly planned one. OTOH could be a govt dirty tricks op meant to look bungled.

The old hall of mirrors. If I was an analyst I would be looking at what areas and what tribes were effected which may offer a clue.

its the same old story i’m afraid. we’re being sold the WMD story again – FAKE

in Kuwait we heard of the atrocities of Iraqi troops entering an hospital and killing babies – all a lie so it turned out

I think it would be a very interesting conflict, Russia is a stones throw from Syria if they needed to put land forces in. turkey, Israel and jordan would be thumped. sure Israel might threaten nuclear retaliation but would be turned to glass if they decided to push the button.

America would then be outraged that Israel just got taken down hut would they want ww3? Russia is big with lots of missiles and all kinds of crap, not to mention has infested our security services and armed forces. i’d put my money on the Russians

Australia would send a land force but they’d be squared away into coffins as soon as they landed.

I hope this war works out for them

i reckon it’s a black flag operation but i’m not o’fay with conspiracy terminology.

Boris said:

o’fay

lol

wookiemeister said:

I think it would be a very interesting conflict, Russia is a stones throw from Syria if they needed to put land forces in. turkey, Israel and jordan would be thumped. sure Israel might threaten nuclear retaliation but would be turned to glass if they decided to push the button.

Without nukes being broken out and on the defensive I doubt very much that Turkey and Israel both backed by America would be thumped. Even if they only relied on American intelligence and supply of US weapons I doubt they could be thumped.

Though I accept thumped is not a well defined term. Just pointing out both countries are not insignificant defence wise even of they stood alone. But they wouldn’t be standing alone, US would support them and world opinion would feature in the mix of a conflict.

if the yanks are looking for a fight to fulfil biblical prophesy then i’d say they’ve just bought into it

Syria by rights is all part of greater Israel according into the old testament. as is Sinai, Egypt up to the nile, and Iraq up to the Euphrates

the whole plan of invading the middle eats is to fulfil biblical prophesy

you only have to read their playbook for yourself to understand whats going on

Faked. It makes no sense for the regime to suddenly use chemical weapons when they are in a winning position anyway. Madness for the US to come in on the same side as Hezbollah.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

I think it would be a very interesting conflict, Russia is a stones throw from Syria if they needed to put land forces in. turkey, Israel and jordan would be thumped. sure Israel might threaten nuclear retaliation but would be turned to glass if they decided to push the button.

Without nukes being broken out and on the defensive I doubt very much that Turkey and Israel both backed by America would be thumped. Even if they only relied on American intelligence and supply of US weapons I doubt they could be thumped.

Though I accept thumped is not a well defined term. Just pointing out both countries are not insignificant defence wise even of they stood alone. But they wouldn’t be standing alone, US would support them and world opinion would feature in the mix of a conflict.

as far as i’m aware America no longer has much if any capability tyo launch anything into orbit – their space programme is defunct

the Russians are still launching manned vehicles – a lot harder

an invasion from the north through georgia would then link up iran Iraq Syria through a friendly land corridor, Turkish landforces to the east would be knocked out. all oil flowing to the west through turkey comes to a halt, oil prices spiral upwards.

American troops in Afghanistan become trapped as SAMs come through and knock out the airforce there.

if I were the Russians i’d go south occupying jordan and Israel

you’d have two main forces one going slowly east knocking out Turkish forces and stopping troops landing on the western front and heading south knocking out the established players, you wouldn’t need to stay there just cause enough damage to even the odds and wave adios and head north.

The west is in a hard place anyway. Western governments oppose the Syrian regime, but the rebels have been largely taken over by Islamist radicals which the west also opposes. Plus there is extreme reluctance to enter another middle east war when we’re all still just getting out of the last one.

Angus Prune said:

The west is in a hard place anyway. Western governments oppose the Syrian regime, but the rebels have been largely taken over by Islamist radicals which the west also opposes. Plus there is extreme reluctance to enter another middle east war when we’re all still just getting out of the last one.

Yep. Best just leave them to kill each other and then deal with the winner.

Angus Prune said:

The west is in a hard place anyway. Western governments oppose the Syrian regime, but the rebels have been largely taken over by Islamist radicals which the west also opposes. Plus there is extreme reluctance to enter another middle east war when we’re all still just getting out of the last one.

you’d think that but biblical prophesy is stronger than rational thought

sure we’re now aiding al quaida but in the end does it really matter as long as the war continues?

in 1984 theres the idea that we are in continual conflict, enemies one day are friends the next, most people have the memory of a goldfish so good luck to them

i reckon we should nuke em from sub-orbital locations, it’s the only way to be sure.

a land invasion of Russia is going to be hard its august now, so if nato decides in its infinite wisdom to send troops across the border to attack Russia now they’ll face a bleak winter – I hope they have lots of ultra warm clothing,

Boris said:

i reckon we should nuke em from sub-orbital locations, it’s the only way to be sure.

you could but Russia already has a large arsenal of nuclear weapons to choose from.

body count first 24 hours 500 million? as major cities are taken down as part of nuclear strike, even if the british get involved they’ve got a handful of subs now. they aren’t prepared for a war in western Germany (they sold the harriers remember?).

wookiemeister said:

a land invasion of Russia is going to be hard its august now, so if nato decides in its infinite wisdom to send troops across the border to attack Russia now they’ll face a bleak winter – I hope they have lots of ultra warm clothing,

What the fuck are you banging on about invading Russia?

wookiemeister said:

a land invasion of Russia is going to be hard its august now, so if nato decides in its infinite wisdom to send troops across the border to attack Russia now they’ll face a bleak winter – I hope they have lots of ultra warm clothing,

You think NATO is planning to attack Russia?

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

a land invasion of Russia is going to be hard its august now, so if nato decides in its infinite wisdom to send troops across the border to attack Russia now they’ll face a bleak winter – I hope they have lots of ultra warm clothing,

What the fuck are you banging on about invading Russia?

its the major backer of the Syrian gov.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

a land invasion of Russia is going to be hard its august now, so if nato decides in its infinite wisdom to send troops across the border to attack Russia now they’ll face a bleak winter – I hope they have lots of ultra warm clothing,

You think NATO is planning to attack Russia?

what do you think they’ve bene doing since 1945

the whole purpose of NATO is to stop Russia, ever heard of the cold war?

wookiemeister said:

you could but Russia already has a large arsenal of nuclear weapons to choose from.

According to their inventory sheets.

Might be surprised if they did a physical count.

unless you think NATO just twiddles its thumbs and eats cakes all day

the whole purpose of NATO was for most of its life to attack Russia

nowadays its shifted to other enemies but has been caught with its pants down

Might be surprised if they did a physical count.

and if they actually worked when you pushed the button.

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

a land invasion of Russia is going to be hard its august now, so if nato decides in its infinite wisdom to send troops across the border to attack Russia now they’ll face a bleak winter – I hope they have lots of ultra warm clothing,

You think NATO is planning to attack Russia?

what do you think they’ve bene doing since 1945

the whole purpose of NATO is to stop Russia, ever heard of the cold war?

No, it was to defend against the Soviet Union, which no longer exists.

wookiemeister said:

Yes, i think it was in the papers for a while.

NATO was, indeed, meant to stop Russia.

Stop it from rolling about 50,000 tanks from the Ukraine to the English Channel, that is.

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

a land invasion of Russia is going to be hard its august now, so if nato decides in its infinite wisdom to send troops across the border to attack Russia now they’ll face a bleak winter – I hope they have lots of ultra warm clothing,

You think NATO is planning to attack Russia?

what do you think they’ve bene doing since 1945

the whole purpose of NATO is to stop Russia, ever heard of the cold war?

oookay. Carry on advising NATO not to attack Russia and on the plus side, when they don’t attack you can claim credit.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

a land invasion of Russia is going to be hard its august now, so if nato decides in its infinite wisdom to send troops across the border to attack Russia now they’ll face a bleak winter – I hope they have lots of ultra warm clothing,

You think NATO is planning to attack Russia?

It’s in the Bible.

:)

Skunkworks said:

Anywho said:

This article shows some opinions as to whether the recent alleged chemical attack was staged or not, it seems, from the footage released, that the most obvious indicator that this was not an attack using weapons grade munitions is the fact that the rescuers are not wearing protective gear, yet seem unaffected by the neurotoxins.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-indicates-that-syrian-government-did-not-launch-a-chemical-weapon-attack-against-its-people/5346804

This puts the West between a rock and a hard place, they either have to keep pushing the lies, which have widespread scepticism, or admit that their precious Islamist rebels are either faking attacks, or worse, carrying out low grade chemical attacks, to blame on the Syrian army.

I hope we find out. I sorta kinda think no, not a govt operation, or if it was a poorly planned one. OTOH could be a govt dirty tricks op meant to look bungled.

The old hall of mirrors. If I was an analyst I would be looking at what areas and what tribes were effected which may offer a clue.

Without a doubt, Syria has nothing to gain by chemical weapons, it has enough firepower without resorting to them. The so-called rebels on the other hand need Western intervention because they are getting their arses kicked, and has a lot to gain by either faking an attack or actually using them.

The first UN findings into earlier attacks backed syria’s position that the rebels had used Sarin, but the US and Britain ignored that and assessed that Syria had used them:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2320223/UN-accuses-Syrian-rebels-carrying-sarin-gas-attacks-blamed-Assads-troops.html

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

You think NATO is planning to attack Russia?

what do you think they’ve bene doing since 1945

the whole purpose of NATO is to stop Russia, ever heard of the cold war?

oookay. Carry on advising NATO not to attack Russia and on the plus side, when they don’t attack you can claim credit.

i’m just taking the “what if” approach

its more interesting than if the whole thing fizzled out or continued as a low level conflict with the UN tut tutting in the back ground and the british taking things very seriously whilst SACKING their existing troops

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

You think NATO is planning to attack Russia?

what do you think they’ve bene doing since 1945

the whole purpose of NATO is to stop Russia, ever heard of the cold war?

oookay. Carry on advising NATO not to attack Russia and on the plus side, when they don’t attack you can claim credit.

i’m just taking the “what if” approach

its more interesting than if the whole thing fizzled out or continued as a low level conflict with the UN tut tutting in the back ground and the british taking things very seriously whilst SACKING their existing troops

PM 2Ring said:

It’s in the Bible.

:)

There’s a lot of stuff in the Bible: discouraging the education of women, encouragement to sell dud goods to foreigners, endorsements of slavery, all sorts of good advice.

It’s in the Bible.

opens up my Robert Athlyi Rogers version…what page?

PM 2Ring said:

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

a land invasion of Russia is going to be hard its august now, so if nato decides in its infinite wisdom to send troops across the border to attack Russia now they’ll face a bleak winter – I hope they have lots of ultra warm clothing,

You think NATO is planning to attack Russia?

It’s in the Bible.

:)

the driving ideology of America is the bible, this why you have so many splinter groups of Christianity and quasi Christian societies such as the Mormons. it believes that the old testament is real and the prophesy must come true to validate their belief

Boris said:

It’s in the Bible.

opens up my Robert Athlyi Rogers version…what page?

Don’t ask me, ask The Boy Who Cries Wook. He’s the one claiming that US military policy is heavily shaped by Biblical prophecy.

it seems to don’t seem to have much “what if” planning going on

i’m sure we’ll see tony abbot in his speedos committing Australian troops to another doomed venture

wookiemeister said:

it seems to don’t seem to have much “what if” planning going on

i’m sure we’ll see tony abbot in his speedos committing Australian troops to another doomed venture

If it’s good for the share market.

hopefully i’ll be getting my mortgage paid off no matter what they do.

I figured from looking at a map that Russia could very easily march straight down into the middle east with not much in the way.

the carriers wouldn’t dare go near the coast of Syria. the yanks would have to try and bomb the troop columns moving south but good luck with that

http://www.raptureforums.com/IsraelMiddleEast/damascussyriaandisaiah17.cfm

heres some biblical prophecy for ya!

its not what I think its what they think

Boris said:

i reckon we should nuke em from sub-orbital locations, it’s the only way to be sure.

I don’t think we’d need to go to that extreme. Perhaps if the Muslim world were told “Clean up your shit or the Kaaba gets nuked” the moderate Muslims might actually do something serious about the militant Islamists…

PM 2Ring said:

Boris said:

i reckon we should nuke em from sub-orbital locations, it’s the only way to be sure.

I don’t think we’d need to go to that extreme. Perhaps if the Muslim world were told “Clean up your shit or the Kaaba gets nuked” the moderate Muslims might actually do something serious about the militant Islamists…

Cheap energy or at a comparable price will do much to modify behaviour.

nuke a meteorite???

Boris said:

nuke a meteorite???

Wouldn’t the meteorite have aready done the damage?

come on people step things up a bit

I want to see radical and bizarre on this topic, its the least we could do

Stealth said:

Boris said:

nuke a meteorite???

Wouldn’t the meteorite have aready done the damage?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

The Black Stone (Arabic: الحجر الأسود‎ al-Ḥajar al-Aswad, Urdu: سنگ سیاہ Sang-e-Sayah‎) is the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient stone building toward which Muslims pray, in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It is revered by Muslims as an Islamic relic which, according to Muslim tradition, dates back to the time of Adam and Eve.

The stone was venerated at the Kaaba in pre-Islamic pagan times. It was set intact into the Kaaba’s wall by the Islamic prophet Muhammad in the year 605 A.D., five years before his first revelation. Since then it has been broken into a number of fragments and is now cemented into a silver frame in the side of the Kaaba. Its physical appearance is that of a fragmented dark rock, polished smooth by the hands of millions of pilgrims. Islamic tradition holds that it fell from Heaven to show Adam and Eve where to build an altar. Although it has often been described as a meteorite, this hypothesis is now uncertain.

Muslim pilgrims circle the Kaaba as part of the Tawaf ritual of the Hajj. Many of them try, if possible, to stop and kiss the Black Stone, emulating the kiss that Islamic tradition records that it received from Muhammad. If they cannot reach it, they point to it on each of their seven circuits around the Kaaba.

maybe

maybe we could load up the Indonesian boats in the boat buy back scheme of the liberal gov of 2013 and drop these on Syria, that should show them

wookiemeister said:

come on people step things up a bit

I want to see radical and bizarre on this topic, its the least we could do

Hey, nuking the Kaaba’s pretty radical and bizarre. Of course, if the West actually did that, it’d make the Muslim world rather upset for a very long time. Maybe we can get North Korea to do it…

PM 2Ring said:

Stealth said:

Boris said:

nuke a meteorite???

Wouldn’t the meteorite have aready done the damage?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

The Black Stone (Arabic: الحجر الأسود‎ al-Ḥajar al-Aswad, Urdu: سنگ سیاہ Sang-e-Sayah‎) is the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient stone building toward which Muslims pray, in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It is revered by Muslims as an Islamic relic which, according to Muslim tradition, dates back to the time of Adam and Eve.

The stone was venerated at the Kaaba in pre-Islamic pagan times. It was set intact into the Kaaba’s wall by the Islamic prophet Muhammad in the year 605 A.D., five years before his first revelation. Since then it has been broken into a number of fragments and is now cemented into a silver frame in the side of the Kaaba. Its physical appearance is that of a fragmented dark rock, polished smooth by the hands of millions of pilgrims. Islamic tradition holds that it fell from Heaven to show Adam and Eve where to build an altar. Although it has often been described as a meteorite, this hypothesis is now uncertain.

Muslim pilgrims circle the Kaaba as part of the Tawaf ritual of the Hajj. Many of them try, if possible, to stop and kiss the Black Stone, emulating the kiss that Islamic tradition records that it received from Muhammad. If they cannot reach it, they point to it on each of their seven circuits around the Kaaba.

it might not be a meteorite after all

I’ve been reading about it recently

PM 2Ring said:

wookiemeister said:

come on people step things up a bit

I want to see radical and bizarre on this topic, its the least we could do

Hey, nuking the Kaaba’s pretty radical and bizarre. Of course, if the West actually did that, it’d make the Muslim world rather upset for a very long time. Maybe we can get North Korea to do it…

But the Taliban can get away with blowing up those Buddha statues…

it might not be a meteorite after all

pfffft christian propaganda.

PM 2Ring said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

The Black Stone (Arabic: الحجر الأسود‎ al-Ḥajar al-Aswad, Urdu: سنگ سیاہ Sang-e-Sayah‎) is the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient stone building toward which Muslims pray, in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It is revered by Muslims as an Islamic relic which, according to Muslim tradition, dates back to the time of Adam and Eve.

The stone was venerated at the Kaaba in pre-Islamic pagan times. It was set intact into the Kaaba’s wall by the Islamic prophet Muhammad in the year 605 A.D., five years before his first revelation. Since then it has been broken into a number of fragments and is now cemented into a silver frame in the side of the Kaaba. Its physical appearance is that of a fragmented dark rock, polished smooth by the hands of millions of pilgrims. Islamic tradition holds that it fell from Heaven to show Adam and Eve where to build an altar. Although it has often been described as a meteorite, this hypothesis is now uncertain.

Muslim pilgrims circle the Kaaba as part of the Tawaf ritual of the Hajj. Many of them try, if possible, to stop and kiss the Black Stone, emulating the kiss that Islamic tradition records that it received from Muhammad. If they cannot reach it, they point to it on each of their seven circuits around the Kaaba.

Let’s blow it up.

other stuff reckons the stone comes from elsewhere in the desert not so far away

theres heaps of those stones there

when ever I think of stones falling from the sky I always think of that scene from joe dirt where he discovers the “meteorite” and hauls it around

Stealth said:

PM 2Ring said:

wookiemeister said:

come on people step things up a bit

I want to see radical and bizarre on this topic, its the least we could do

Hey, nuking the Kaaba’s pretty radical and bizarre. Of course, if the West actually did that, it’d make the Muslim world rather upset for a very long time. Maybe we can get North Korea to do it…

But the Taliban can get away with blowing up those Buddha statues…

Muslims can get away with blowing each other and each others temples up. Hundreds killed weekly and never makes the paper or incites Islamic outrage.

there is something very, very familiar about the kaaba stone, I can’t quite put my finger on it

Stealth said:

PM 2Ring said:

Hey, nuking the Kaaba’s pretty radical and bizarre. Of course, if the West actually did that, it’d make the Muslim world rather upset for a very long time. Maybe we can get North Korea to do it…

But the Taliban can get away with blowing up those Buddha statues…

Sort of. But those statues didn’t have anywhere near the level of significance of the Kaaba. Every Muslim faces the Kaaba when they pray, and every Muslim wants to make the pilgrimage to it at least once in their life. I don’t think they’d be happy with a pilgrimage site that’s too radioactive to visit.

PM 2Ring said:

Stealth said:

PM 2Ring said:

Hey, nuking the Kaaba’s pretty radical and bizarre. Of course, if the West actually did that, it’d make the Muslim world rather upset for a very long time. Maybe we can get North Korea to do it…

But the Taliban can get away with blowing up those Buddha statues…

Sort of. But those statues didn’t have anywhere near the level of significance of the Kaaba. Every Muslim faces the Kaaba when they pray, and every Muslim wants to make the pilgrimage to it at least once in their life. I don’t think they’d be happy with a pilgrimage site that’s too radioactive to visit.

Fuck em

i’ve tried droppy, believe me i’ve tried. too many of em though for just one guy.

PM 2Ring said:

Boris said:

i reckon we should nuke em from sub-orbital locations, it’s the only way to be sure.

I don’t think we’d need to go to that extreme. Perhaps if the Muslim world were told “Clean up your shit or the Kaaba gets nuked” the moderate Muslims might actually do something serious about the militant Islamists…

You still don’t get it, the militant Islamists are supported and nurtured by the West, it’s tough for the Muslim world to reign them in when they have such powerful allies.

Al CIAda was formed by the CIA to fight the Soviet backed government in Afghanistan, it’s name literally means a database of fighters.

Libya was a moderate and secular Muslim country and the West lied about massacres and backed the Islamist rebels, turning a very prosperous nation into a failed state now run by militias.

Syria ws a progressive and secular Muslim country, bashir al Assad is a western educated doctor, his wife is well educated, has a high public profile, and doesn’t wear the veil. Christian minorities are protected in Syria whereas the rebels cut the heads off two infidel priests recently in a sick public exhibition.

The rebels in Syria includes groups directly linked to al CIAda, like he al nusra front, and now the West is looking to support them with direct military action.

The war on terror is a farce, all Islamic attacks on the West are staged and the very premise is false, the Islamists don’t see the West as the enemy, they see Muslim leaders who don’t follow Islamic law as the enemy, fundamentally they want Islamic law in all Muslim countries and they have the backing of the West.

If the West stopped backing the Islamists then they would be dealt with by the moderate Muslims and there would be no need to threaten bombing the kaballa.

Looks like the West is running with this complete lie, we are just lying scum, we have no pride.

Another nation to be completely destroyed, just another day at the office for the West, we don’t care how much harm we cause, we don’t care that everyone knows we are lying dogs, we lie because we can with impunity.

Go and polish your 4wdrives and ignore the lies and suffering, there’s nothing you can do anyhow even if any of you have the moral fibre to care.

Pick which callous lying rodent you prefer in the election, which ever one you choose they will go along with the lies and subsequent bombin of Syria, choosing honesty and integrity is not an option, the best you can hope for is that they are good at faking sincerity, like Blair and Obama, the key is to talk slow when faking sincerity, it’s that simple to con people that you are a real human, with human emotions, and that you care… Just talk slowly as you sell more death and suffering.

Goodbye.

Anywho said:

Goodbye.

You got somewhere good to go?

Anywho said:

Looks like the West is running with this complete lie, we are just lying scum, we have no pride.

Another nation to be completely destroyed, just another day at the office for the West, we don’t care how much harm we cause, we don’t care that everyone knows we are lying dogs, we lie because we can with impunity.

Go and polish your 4wdrives and ignore the lies and suffering, there’s nothing you can do anyhow even if any of you have the moral fibre to care.

Pick which callous lying rodent you prefer in the election, which ever one you choose they will go along with the lies and subsequent bombin of Syria, choosing honesty and integrity is not an option, the best you can hope for is that they are good at faking sincerity, like Blair and Obama, the key is to talk slow when faking sincerity, it’s that simple to con people that you are a real human, with human emotions, and that you care… Just talk slowly as you sell more death and suffering.

Goodbye.

Good to see you keeping an open mind, like you I don’t know from available evidence one way or the other.
I guess we’ll find out in the fullness of time.

At the appropriate juncture…..

Anywho said:

Looks like the West is running with this complete lie, we are just lying scum, we have no pride.

Another nation to be completely destroyed, just another day at the office for the West, we don’t care how much harm we cause, we don’t care that everyone knows we are lying dogs, we lie because we can with impunity.

Go and polish your 4wdrives and ignore the lies and suffering, there’s nothing you can do anyhow even if any of you have the moral fibre to care.

Pick which callous lying rodent you prefer in the election, which ever one you choose they will go along with the lies and subsequent bombin of Syria, choosing honesty and integrity is not an option, the best you can hope for is that they are good at faking sincerity, like Blair and Obama, the key is to talk slow when faking sincerity, it’s that simple to con people that you are a real human, with human emotions, and that you care… Just talk slowly as you sell more death and suffering.

Goodbye.

That’s nice, dear. Now here’s a Bex and a lovely cuppa.

I wouldn’t worry about it

Syria’s backers are the red army

I put my money on the Russians winning any conflict our government wants to get involved with

its what happens when afifth column gets into power and starts marching your army around the world to achieve their objective s not the nations objectives

its a problem

in the meantime get your mortgage paid off, worrying about it isn’t going to do much. if they come knocking for more taxes hide your money

buffy said:

At the appropriate juncture…..

moving forward…

the Australia has lost every conflict since hmmmm maybe ww2 (except Malaysia) not what you’ll be told here, sad really.

i’m hiding my money under the mistress.

wookiemeister said:

the Australia has lost every conflict since hmmmm maybe ww2 (except Malaysia) not what you’ll be told here, sad really.

most of our armed action since then no one even knows about

>>moving forward…<<

in due course….

My mistress is hiding under the mattress.

but i’m sure we will valiantly stride forward , sacrifice and duty to the fore.

when those soldiers go to battle they’ll do so in the name of every crackpot idea they’ve been pushing for the last few decades

in the art of war it spells out that those that don’t have any real objective get mired.

Syria will be no picnic like Afghanistan or Iraq

Australia has never experienced war, I laugh when I hear about Darwin being bombed WHOLE SUBURBS were flattened in ww2 in Britain. those thirstiest for war will never go to the war.

Riff-in-Thyme said:

wookiemeister said:

the Australia has lost every conflict since hmmmm maybe ww2 (except Malaysia) not what you’ll be told here, sad really.

most of our armed action since then no one even knows about

every conflict Australia got involved with was a dud apart from Malaysia. they haven’t fought a real war since ww2.

what most irksome is that the aust gov was SUPPLYING japan right up to the end.

Riff-in-Thyme said:

wookiemeister said:

the Australia has lost every conflict since hmmmm maybe ww2 (except Malaysia) not what you’ll be told here, sad really.

most of our armed action since then no one even knows about

every conflict Australia got involved with was a dud apart from Malaysia. they haven’t fought a real war since ww2.

what most irksome is that the aust gov was SUPPLYING japan right up to the end.

What you need is someone to broker a peace deal, someone well respected by the international community, I’m thinking Nelson Mandella.

Peak Warming Man said:

What you need is someone to broker a peace deal, someone well respected by the international community, I’m thinking Nelson Mandella.

tony blair is available at the moment

Peak Warming Man said:

What you need is someone to broker a peace deal, someone well respected by the international community, I’m thinking Nelson Mandella.

Simon Crean?

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

What you need is someone to broker a peace deal, someone well respected by the international community, I’m thinking Nelson Mandella.

Simon Crean?

I’ve actually met Simon.
I was up early doing a constitutional in Hyde Park London in about 1997 I think and ran into him, he was out for an early morning walk as well, I walked across the park with him, we talked cricket mostly.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

What you need is someone to broker a peace deal, someone well respected by the international community, I’m thinking Nelson Mandella.

Simon Crean?

I’ve actually met Simon.
I was up early doing a constitutional in Hyde Park London in about 1997 I think and ran into him, he was out for an early morning walk as well, I walked across the park with him, we talked cricket mostly.

My dad used to play tennis with him. They probably didn’t talk cricket.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

What you need is someone to broker a peace deal, someone well respected by the international community, I’m thinking Nelson Mandella.

Simon Crean?

hang on

mark latham or maybe clive palmer will want to build a dinosaur park in the middle east

just thinking about it

if you were Syria why would you wait till you were attacked?

Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan all waited till they were attacked, wouldn’t it be prudent to land the first blow first? after all you are going to be attacked anyway so why wait?

if they had any sense they’d be better off launching everything they had now than waiting for the first wave of bombing.

• wouldn’t it be prudent to land the first blow first?

The best time to land the first blow is first…

The latest lie to be exposed is that Syria denied access to UN inspectors for days, the reality is that the UN dispatch never arrived in Syria until Saturday and was granted access on Sunday.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/lies-and-fabricaitons-to-jutify-war-un-admits-it-didnt-ask-for-access-in-syria-until-saturday/5347168

The West’s weasel at the UN, Ban Ki Moon, demanded access on Thursday but then sent an official envoy to request access, she didn’t arrive until Saturday. Why didn’t he just use the inspectors who were there? And why hasn’t he made clear that Syria did not hinder the request?

Instead the weasel just lets the disgusting West tell another bare faced lie in the march for war.

The West is not only lying about Syria using chemical weapons, it is giving tacit approval to the Islamist rebels using them by encouraging this avenue as an accuse for Western military intervention, and there is ample evidence the rebels have used Sarin on a small scale.

People are waking up, they are aware of the continuous lies and propaganda they are being force fed, an attack has 9% approval in the US which is incredibly low, and that piece o slime David Cameron has backed down from debating military action in parliament most likely because he didn’t have the numbers.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Israel and the West aren’t priming their Islamist rebels to carry out a large scale chemical attack, giving th West an excuse to dive right in for “humanitarian” reasons, yet another word perverted to sell deth and destruction.

Bex, nice cuppa, couch is over there.

Chemical Attack Evidence Lasts Years, Experts Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/science/not-easy-to-hide-a-chemical-attack-experts-say.html

Scientists have discovered that sarin, a deadly nerve agent, can be detected long after its use on the battlefield. In one case, forensic experts went to a Kurdish village in northern Iraq four years after Iraqi warplanes had dropped clusters of bombs there. The experts found a unique chemical signature of the lethal toxin in contaminated soil from bomb craters.

Such findings suggest that the Syrian government would have a hard time hiding evidence if it did indeed use chemical weapons against civilians in a large-scale attack last week. Syrian rebels, Obama administration officials and chemical arms experts have accused President Bashar al-Assad’s forces of using highly toxic chemicals; the government has denied the charges.

more…

Why Are Chemical Weapon Attacks Different?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/08/130828-chemical-weapons-syria-attack-military-action-science-world/

The chemical weapons attack alleged against the Syrian regime raises questions.

In a war that has seen 100,000 deaths, what is it about chemical weapons that crosses a “red line”?

The reason is that most of the world has come to an agreement that chemical weapons should not be used in war. I think most people today have some acceptance of the common ways that wars are waged: with bullets and bombs.

But as we’ve seen historically, chemical weapons are inhumane and a horrific way to die—and that’s why the most of the world has outlawed them.

Another reason is that chemical weapons are indiscriminate—not that bombs and bullets can’t be. These weapons kill everyone in any environment where they’re deployed. That is why we see the large number of children in the footage from Syria.

more…

CrazyNeutrino said:

Such findings suggest that the Syrian government would have a hard time hiding evidence if it did indeed use chemical weapons against civilians in a large-scale attack last week.

All the evidence suggests it has nothing to hide.

All the evidence suggests the footage of victims was largely faked, the rescuers and medical staff were not wearing protective masks yet were completely unaffected by any residual gas.

The eyes of the ‘victims’ shows very normal looking dilation with no pinpoint telltale signs of neurotoxins, Assad was specialising in ophthalmology at one point of his medical studies so he knows full well the victims are fakes.

If chemical weapons were used it was on a small scale, which would be fully in line with the Islamist rebels doing what the West has told them is needed to draw the West in.

Expect the UN to say there is evidence of chemical weapons use, without saying who the evidence points towards. When both sides are blaming each other it’s a no-brainier to understand that Syria has nothing to gain by using chemical weapons but the slime ‘rebels’ have everything to gain.

whats amusing are the “victims”

they are suffering from the gas attack yet strangely still alive

modern gas weapons kill they don’t give you teary eyes

my guesses are that the Syrian military are now gearing for missile launch, they aren’t going to sit around waiting if they see some aircraft coming near the border.

Yeh Sarin is very amusing..

whatever “strikes” that come aren’t going to be taken laying down

in a few weeks time we will taking part in another brand new war, this time with new weapons but the same old story WMDs

no one believes the WMDs story any more

Dropbear said:

Yeh Sarin is very amusing..

You laugh so hard it makes your eyes water.

Dropbear said:

Yeh Sarin is very amusing..

I just quote from the book I don’t write it

Look up “weaponised organophosphates”

Nowhere near as deadly as Sarin but a damn sight easier to get hold of.

wookiemeister said:

whats amusing are the “victims”

they are suffering from the gas attack yet strangely still alive

modern gas weapons kill they don’t give you teary eyes

my guesses are that the Syrian military are now gearing for missile launch, they aren’t going to sit around waiting if they see some aircraft coming near the border.

Don’t think they are talking about dropping bombs or sending aircraft anywhere near Syria. It has been suggest cruse missiles would be used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway

In five coordinated attacks, the perpetrators released sarin on several lines of the Tokyo subway, killing thirteen people, severely injuring fifty and causing temporary vision problems for nearly a thousand others

i’m tired of all the excuses , why don’t they attack them to bring about the biblical prophecy already

I hope it’s a Cruise missile

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

whats amusing are the “victims”

they are suffering from the gas attack yet strangely still alive

modern gas weapons kill they don’t give you teary eyes

my guesses are that the Syrian military are now gearing for missile launch, they aren’t going to sit around waiting if they see some aircraft coming near the border.

ah that’s ok then

we won’t mind if they fire off some missiles too then

sow the wind, reap the whirlwind

Don’t think they are talking about dropping bombs or sending aircraft anywhere near Syria. It has been suggest cruse missiles would be used.

wookiemeister said:

my guesses are that the Syrian military are now gearing for missile launch, they aren’t going to sit around waiting if they see some aircraft coming near the border.

The real game changer will be Iran, they know they are next so an attack on Syria may be their snapping point, rather than wait to get picked off they may go on the offensive.

The US once simulated a red on blue war in the straight of humuz, red(Iran) won. Geography is on Irans side and the US ships are too prone.

If the US attacks Syria it could b game on, 15,000 dead US sailors in ten minutes in the straight of humuz, Syria gets Iranian support with the warships attacking it, oil goes to 300 plus dollars per barrel, America has to print a few Trillion more worthless dollars which nations stop trading in.

Divine Angel said:

I hope it’s a Cruise missile

let the terror begin

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

I hope it’s a Cruise missile

let the terror begin

That’s scary man, she looks so scary.

• let the terror begin

Anywho said:

The US once simulated a red on blue war in the straight of humuz, red(Iran) won. Geography is on Irans side and the US ships are too prone.

If the US attacks Syria it could b game on, 15,000 dead US sailors in ten minutes in the straight of humuz, Syria gets Iranian support with the warships attacking it, oil goes to 300 plus dollars per barrel, America has to print a few Trillion more worthless dollars which nations stop trading in.

There is a reason why they wargame these things. In that incident you are talking about an American Admiral was acting as the enemy and overwhelmed the US ships with swarms of explosive filled speedboats piloted by suicide bombers. It was also revealed that the US has inadequate mine clearing assets. So some lessons learned for future conflict.

The biggest problem with Iran closing the straits is shipping is no longer insurable and so the oil from that part of the world stops flowing.

mmmm …. hummus

Geoff D said:

mmmm …. hummus

That chemical weapon should be banned.

idiot grin

Skunkworks said:

Anywho said:

The US once simulated a red on blue war in the straight of humuz, red(Iran) won. Geography is on Irans side and the US ships are too prone.

If the US attacks Syria it could b game on, 15,000 dead US sailors in ten minutes in the straight of humuz, Syria gets Iranian support with the warships attacking it, oil goes to 300 plus dollars per barrel, America has to print a few Trillion more worthless dollars which nations stop trading in.

There is a reason why they wargame these things. In that incident you are talking about an American Admiral was acting as the enemy and overwhelmed the US ships with swarms of explosive filled speedboats piloted by suicide bombers. It was also revealed that the US has inadequate mine clearing assets. So some lessons learned for future conflict.

The biggest problem with Iran closing the straits is shipping is no longer insurable and so the oil from that part of the world stops flowing.

The Iranians won’t have been twiddling their thumbs either, they have been playing chess for 2,000 years and are always looking many moves ahead, they may see this as the time to act especially as Americans have essentially told Obummer not to attack Syria.

It would take weeks for the US to regroup, a popular Saudi uprising against US bases is not out of the question either.

I don’t see how US ships could possibly be prone to slow arse speedboats, they must be sitting ducks for low flying missiles travelling at Mach 3.

The Iranians have said the Middle East is a powder keg, an attack on Syria could make it blow up in a very unpredictable way. The US is saying it will just be a few cruise missiles but nobody with any brains would believe them, just like the innocuous sounding “no fly zone” in Libya was an excuse for dropping ten thousand bombs in support of the Islamist rebels.

“He who meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a passing dog by the ears” Proverbs 26:17

Is anyhoo more brain dead than Wookie or are they both just manifestations of the same psychosis.

This thread is bad and you should be sad.

Anywho said:

I don’t see how US ships could possibly be prone to slow arse speedboats, they must be sitting ducks for low flying missiles travelling at Mach 3.

Well the people in the know awarded Iran the win based on those speedboat swarms and mines which can be cheaply made from 44 gallon drums.

I would expect that the US would do better against the low flying missiles, that is something they have been developing countermeasures and tactics for since the 80s. They have probably cracked a few codes and know the missiles radar frequencies as well.

Dropbear said:

Is anyhoo more brain dead than Wookie or are they both just manifestations of the same psychosis.

I don’t think anyhoo believes that bombing Syria is the precursor to a conflict cum biblical prophesy so he is a little better than Wookie.

Skunkworks said:

Anywho said:

I don’t see how US ships could possibly be prone to slow arse speedboats, they must be sitting ducks for low flying missiles travelling at Mach 3.

Well the people in the know awarded Iran the win based on those speedboat swarms and mines which can be cheaply made from 44 gallon drums.

I would expect that the US would do better against the low flying missiles, that is something they have been developing countermeasures and tactics for since the 80s. They have probably cracked a few codes and know the missiles radar frequencies as well.

It helps that missiles can declared a threat straight away, and so be destroyed. And even if the missile wasn’t a real threat (you know, just an innocent missle out for a Sunday cruise, not doing no harm to no-one) then its destruction does not cause civillian deaths.

A speed boat on the other hand is hard to declare a threat straight away. And if you destroy it ‘just to be prudent’ then the aftermath does not play out well on international media if the enemy start showing photos of civillian deaths.

It is why guerilla warfare is hard to fight, if you can’t tell who the enemy is, who do you shoot???

who do you shoot???

shoot em all and let god sort them out.

plus if ciwis is “on” then it’s out of your hands who gets shot.

:-)

Boris said:

who do you shoot???

shoot em all and let god sort them out.

Well yeah, but it still doesn’t playout well in thew international media.

Boris said:

who do you shoot???

shoot em all and let god sort them out.

I think the yanks are a bit wary after shooting down a civilian Iranian airliner. When was that? 1990s?

pommiejohn said:

Boris said:

who do you shoot???

shoot em all and let god sort them out.

I think the yanks are a bit wary after shooting down a civilian Iranian airliner. When was that? 1990s?

I think that was the Russians over the Black Sea, yeah?

Peak Warming Man said:

pommiejohn said:

Boris said:

who do you shoot???

shoot em all and let god sort them out.

I think the yanks are a bit wary after shooting down a civilian Iranian airliner. When was that? 1990s?

I think that was the Russians over the Black Sea, yeah?

Nah, I remember the yanks shooting down an Iranian airliner. Some people have suggested Lockerbie was Iranian sponsored payback.

Hold the phone, hold the phone.
This is the one I was thinking of.

“A Ukrainian official today admitted that his country’s military may have mistakenly shot down a Russian commercial airliner over the Black sea last week, killing all 78 people on board.
The announcement by Yevhen Marchuk, the head of the Ukrainian security council and a member of the commission investigating the tragedy, marks the first time that the country has conceded it may be responsible. “

in 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

>>Nah, I remember the yanks shooting down an Iranian airliner.

Yeah I remember that one.

Putin must be wondering why he has to sit in meetings and listen to this stuff.

“Gassed his own people, ooooOOOOOooo … “

Skunkworks said:

Anywho said:

I don’t see how US ships could possibly be prone to slow arse speedboats, they must be sitting ducks for low flying missiles travelling at Mach 3.

Well the people in the know awarded Iran the win based on those speedboat swarms and mines which can be cheaply made from 44 gallon drums.

I would expect that the US would do better against the low flying missiles, that is something they have been developing countermeasures and tactics for since the 80s. They have probably cracked a few codes and know the missiles radar frequencies as well.

unless you were spoofing them with lots of frequencies

I wonder if Russian ship missiles will be so easily overcome – we’re about to find out

wookiemeister said:

I wonder if Russian ship missiles will be so easily overcome – we’re about to find out

I predict that the US will bomb Syria for a period of a few days and the Russian response will be zip. I do however think that the Syrian Airforce will engage the American ships in the Med.

I wonder if Russian ship missiles will be so easily overcome

ciwis doesn’t care what nationality they are.

:-)

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

I wonder if Russian ship missiles will be so easily overcome – we’re about to find out

I predict that the US will bomb Syria for a period of a few days and the Russian response will be zip. I do however think that the Syrian Airforce will engage the American ships in the Med.

I reckon not, with Russia having veto on the security council they wont get a UN mandate and I don’t think the US or British public are up for another (even if done by cruise missiles) intervention in a middle east shit fight unilaterally.

Skunkworks said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

I wonder if Russian ship missiles will be so easily overcome – we’re about to find out

I predict that the US will bomb Syria for a period of a few days and the Russian response will be zip. I do however think that the Syrian Airforce will engage the American ships in the Med.

I reckon not, with Russia having veto on the security council they wont get a UN mandate and I don’t think the US or British public are up for another (even if done by cruise missiles) intervention in a middle east shit fight unilaterally.

since when have the british public had any say in where the military is sent?

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I predict that the US will bomb Syria for a period of a few days and the Russian response will be zip. I do however think that the Syrian Airforce will engage the American ships in the Med.

I reckon not, with Russia having veto on the security council they wont get a UN mandate and I don’t think the US or British public are up for another (even if done by cruise missiles) intervention in a middle east shit fight unilaterally.

since when have the british public had any say in where the military is sent?

You do know that public opinion influences politics?

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

I wonder if Russian ship missiles will be so easily overcome – we’re about to find out

I predict that the US will bomb Syria for a period of a few days and the Russian response will be zip. I do however think that the Syrian Airforce will engage the American ships in the Med.

The Syrians would find it tough going.

Once they fight their way through the air group from the USS Harry S Truman, they’d have to contend with at least one very capable AEGIS cruiser.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

I reckon not, with Russia having veto on the security council they wont get a UN mandate and I don’t think the US or British public are up for another (even if done by cruise missiles) intervention in a middle east shit fight unilaterally.

since when have the british public had any say in where the military is sent?

You do know that public opinion influences politics?

only at election time

the war will only be for a couple of weeks anyway according to obama

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

I wonder if Russian ship missiles will be so easily overcome – we’re about to find out

I predict that the US will bomb Syria for a period of a few days and the Russian response will be zip. I do however think that the Syrian Airforce will engage the American ships in the Med.

The Syrians would find it tough going.

Once they fight their way through the air group from the USS Harry S Truman, they’d have to contend with at least one very capable AEGIS cruiser.

if I wanted to win a middle eastern war with America I would shut down the oil pipelines and the powerstations in the area

knocking out powerstations in Israel, Jordan and turkey would seed chaos even amongst the strongest countries

how long will a power station take to be repaired assuming the main generators haven’t been knocked out

knock out the main airfields of the various countries, this would annoy the hell out of them

by shutting down the power generation system you throw huge swathes of the area into darkness and chaos

then the chaos spreads like a contagion

essentially you spread the conflict to present multiple targets

i’d be sitting down with the art of war to win this one

The UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon, has announced that UN inspectors investigating an alleged chemical weapons attack will be leaving the country on Saturday, and has asked for time for them to be able to complete their investigation.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/08/201382992820307987.html

looks as if the first wave of attacks will come on sunday

I might fill my car up tomorrow, it will be the last time that fuel will be at 1.55 a litre

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

I wonder if Russian ship missiles will be so easily overcome – we’re about to find out

I predict that the US will bomb Syria for a period of a few days and the Russian response will be zip. I do however think that the Syrian Airforce will engage the American ships in the Med.

The Syrians would find it tough going.

Once they fight their way through the air group from the USS Harry S Truman, they’d have to contend with at least one very capable AEGIS cruiser.

The Russians might loan them the gear to have a crack

dv said:

Putin must be wondering why he has to sit in meetings and listen to this stuff.

“Gassed his own people, ooooOOOOOooo … “

Putin is wondering why he has to deal with bare faced liars.

Don’t pretend the West has any moral high ground, they are encouraging the Islamist rebels to use gas so they can fake outrage and unleash bombs on another country.

Putin and Assad have more honour and integrity than all the lying scum Western leaders combined.

Anywho said:

Putin and Assad have more honour and integrity than all the lying scum Western leaders combined.

You obviously don’t place much faith in democracy.

Putin and Assad have more honour and integrity than all the lying scum Western leaders combined.

the put’in’ joke’s been done tonight.

I said to myself I said PWM once you get a foreign black Kenyan Muslim with a fake birth certificate in the White House it’s time to start building that redoubt.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Anywho said:

Putin and Assad have more honour and integrity than all the lying scum Western leaders combined.

You obviously don’t place much faith in democracy.

Democracy doesn’t produce liars, the Amricans are opposed to a strike but Obummr will launch one based on lies and in the interest of Israel and the industrialised military, is that democracy?

Democracy is a big subject, you may believe the engineered duopoly represents democracy but I don’t, especially when it produces lying scum.

• Democracy is a big subject, you may believe the engineered duopoly represents democracy but I don’t, especially when it produces lying scum.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out…

furious said:

• Democracy is a big subject, you may believe the engineered duopoly represents democracy but I don’t, especially when it produces lying scum.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out…

That’s right, you be careful. furious has a leaky tent for you in PNG.

• That’s right, you be careful. furious has a leaky tent for you in PNG.

You’d be awake at night dreaming of being inside a leaky tent…

Russia is sending an anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser to the Mediterranean as Western powers prepare for possible strikes against Syria

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/russia-sends-in-warships-as-syria-tensions-escalate/4923506

i’ll put my money on the red army

• i’ll put my money on the red army

That, is abundantly clear…

wookiemeister said:

Russia is sending an anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser to the Mediterranean as Western powers prepare for possible strikes against Syria

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/russia-sends-in-warships-as-syria-tensions-escalate/4923506

i’ll put my money on the red army

With your wellknown published opinion on warcraft Wookie, Russia may take the above affirmation as a sign they should pull out as they dont have a hope…

wookiemeister said:

Russia is sending an anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser to the Mediterranean as Western powers prepare for possible strikes against Syria

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/russia-sends-in-warships-as-syria-tensions-escalate/4923506

i’ll put my money on the red army

—-

um, wookie, the navy is not the army

furious said:

• i’ll put my money on the red army

That, is abundantly clear…

name one conflict Australia has ever won since ww2 apart from malaysia

wookiemeister said:

Russia is sending an anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser to the Mediterranean as Western powers prepare for possible strikes against Syria

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/russia-sends-in-warships-as-syria-tensions-escalate/4923506

i’ll put my money on the red army

Why on Earth would the army be crewing the naval ships?

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

Russia is sending an anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser to the Mediterranean as Western powers prepare for possible strikes against Syria

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/russia-sends-in-warships-as-syria-tensions-escalate/4923506

i’ll put my money on the red army

Why on Earth would the army be crewing the naval ships?

Cost cutting…

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

Russia is sending an anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser to the Mediterranean as Western powers prepare for possible strikes against Syria

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/russia-sends-in-warships-as-syria-tensions-escalate/4923506

i’ll put my money on the red army

Why on Earth would the army be crewing the naval ships?

that jokes been done

More to the point, there isn’t any Red Army. The Soviet Union folded some time ago.

• name one conflict Australia has ever won since ww2 apart from malaysia

Given that you believe that it is a winner takes all throwdown between the US and Russia, what has that got to do with it?

>Putin and Assad have more honour and integrity than all the lying scum Western leaders combined.

I think we can take it for granted that Anywho is one of those fearless individuals who instinctively back the worst of the bad guys, ‘cos y’know, it just seems kinda cool to side with the nasties.

furious said:

• name one conflict Australia has ever won since ww2 apart from malaysia

Given that you believe that it is a winner takes all throwdown between the US and Russia, what has that got to do with it?

the truth hurts don’t it?

kevin wants in on some battle action yet the Australian has consistently lost every conflict it has ever been involved in since ww2

wookiemeister said:

furious said:

• name one conflict Australia has ever won since ww2 apart from malaysia

Given that you believe that it is a winner takes all throwdown between the US and Russia, what has that got to do with it?

the truth hurts don’t it?

kevin wants in on some battle action yet the Australian armed forces have consistently lost every conflict it has ever been involved in since ww2

Bubblecar said:

>Putin and Assad have more honour and integrity than all the lying scum Western leaders combined.

I think we can take it for granted that Anywho is one of those fearless individuals who instinctively back the worst of the bad guys, ‘cos y’know, it just seems kinda cool to side with the nasties.

He’s just a pants-stain that likes trolling on the Internet

wookiemeister said:

furious said:

• name one conflict Australia has ever won since ww2 apart from malaysia

Given that you believe that it is a winner takes all throwdown between the US and Russia, what has that got to do with it?

the truth hurts don’t it?

kevin wants in on some battle action yet the Australian has consistently lost every conflict it has ever been involved in since ww2

Did we lose Iraq II?

so after losing Afghanistan we are being sent to Syria?

the role of honour must be like a dirty rag I reckon

Stealth said:

wookiemeister said:

furious said:

• name one conflict Australia has ever won since ww2 apart from malaysia

Given that you believe that it is a winner takes all throwdown between the US and Russia, what has that got to do with it?

the truth hurts don’t it?

kevin wants in on some battle action yet the Australian has consistently lost every conflict it has ever been involved in since ww2

Did we lose Iraq II?

they pulled out, cut and run

guess they weren’t in it for the long run

the problem is that we have been fed a diet of propaganda – Gallipoli set the trend of depicting great defeats as “victories”, though the only victory they ever had I suppose was over common sense

so after losing Afghanistan
———————-
Can you clarify your definitions of “winning’ and ‘losing”?

• the truth hurts don’t it?

Tangent…

Stealth said:

so after losing Afghanistan
———————-
Can you clarify your definitions of “winning’ and ‘losing”?

look around friend

the Taliban are still there

wookiemeister said:

Stealth said:

so after losing Afghanistan
———————-
Can you clarify your definitions of “winning’ and ‘losing”?

look around friend

the Taliban are still there

So are the Japanese and the Germans…

• the Taliban are still there

Your great red army did a great job on them too…

Stealth said:

wookiemeister said:

Stealth said:

so after losing Afghanistan
———————-
Can you clarify your definitions of “winning’ and ‘losing”?

look around friend

the Taliban are still there

So are the Japanese and the Germans…

yeah but they are our valuable allies now , the Taliban? well seems to me that as they are still fighting still holding territory and still winning i’d guess that we lost, considering that when the army supposedly leaves the Taliban will still be there.

furious said:

• the Taliban are still there

Your great red army did a great job on them too…

word is the Taliban won against Australia

now they’ve lost the war they say very little, now we have a brand new shiney war to extol the virtues of the digger and champion the Australian way.

to be honest i’m tired of the war mongers that are destroying this place.

furious said:

• the Taliban are still there

Your great red army did a great job on them too…

word is the Taliban won against Australia

now they’ve lost the war they say very little, now we have a brand new shiney war to extol the virtues of the digger and champion the Australian way.

to be honest i’m tired of the war mongers that are destroying this place.

Anywho said:

Putin and Assad have more honour and integrity than all the lying scum Western leaders combined.

no

dv said:

Anywho said:

Putin and Assad have more honour and integrity than all the lying scum Western leaders combined.

no

Just a touch of hyperbowl.

• word is the Taliban won against Australia

Side step…

furious said:

• word is the Taliban won against Australia

Side step…

ok genius

tell me exactly how many conflicts Australia has won apart from Malaysia since ww2

I figure in 60 years or so we’d have a huge list

furious said:

• word is the Taliban won against Australia

Side step…

ok genius

tell me exactly how many conflicts Australia has won apart from Malaysia since ww2

I figure in 60 years or so we’d have a huge list

• ok genius

You’re talking with in circles…

well theres Vietnam

uh oh

ok Iraq then

hmmmm

well there was east timor, not really a conflict though

there was Cronulla I guess

furious said:

• ok genius

You’re talking with in circles…

twice

furious said:

• ok genius

You’re talking with in circles…

the Australian army has never fielded to battle since Malaysia and won the conflict since the 50s

circles or no cirlces

now

tell me about this new war they are getting involved in

wookiemeister said:

furious said:

• word is the Taliban won against Australia

Side step…

ok genius

tell me exactly how many conflicts Australia has won apart from Malaysia since ww2

I figure in 60 years or so we’d have a huge list

Korea, East Timor, Solomons (arguably), Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2.

Lost won (Vietnam)

Probably have to call Afghanistan a tie at this stage…

wookiemeister said:

furious said:

• word is the Taliban won against Australia

Side step…

ok genius

tell me exactly how many conflicts Australia has won apart from Malaysia since ww2

I figure in 60 years or so we’d have a huge list

We have won the Ashes 18 times.

• tell me about this new war they are getting involved in

Tangent…

dv said:

wookiemeister said:

furious said:

• word is the Taliban won against Australia

Side step…

ok genius

tell me exactly how many conflicts Australia has won apart from Malaysia since ww2

I figure in 60 years or so we’d have a huge list

Korea, East Timor, Solomons (arguably), Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2.

Lost won (Vietnam)

Probably have to call Afghanistan a tie at this stage…

word is north korea is still alive and well – conflict lost

if we won gulf war 1 why did gulf war 2 happen ten years later?

solomons? were they waggling fruit at us?

dv said:

wookiemeister said:

furious said:

• word is the Taliban won against Australia

Side step…

ok genius

tell me exactly how many conflicts Australia has won apart from Malaysia since ww2

I figure in 60 years or so we’d have a huge list

Korea, East Timor, Solomons (arguably), Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2.

Lost won (Vietnam)

Probably have to call Afghanistan a tie at this stage…

word is north korea is still alive and well – conflict lost

if we won gulf war 1 why did gulf war 2 happen ten years later?

solomons? were they waggling fruit at us?

furious said:

• tell me about this new war they are getting involved in

Tangent…

tell me

what is the title of this thread?

So yeah, that’s five wins, one loss, and a tie.

No need to thank me, wookie. I LIVE to help.

• word is north korea is still alive and well – conflict lost

Germany still exists too, as does Japan…

word is north korea is still alive and well – conflict lost
—————————
So once again you are proposing that if we do not rid the earth of the enemy for all time it is a loss.

if we won gulf war 1 why did gulf war 2 happen ten years later?
————————
So we lost WW1 as well then?

furious said:

• word is north korea is still alive and well – conflict lost

Germany still exists too, as does Japan…

I pointed that out before, but wookie moved the goal posts.

• what is the title of this thread?

Certainly says nothing about Australia or Russia or their respective efforts in Afghanistan, if that’s what you’re asking…

Stealth said:

furious said:

• word is north korea is still alive and well – conflict lost

Germany still exists too, as does Japan…

I pointed that out before, but wookie moved the goal posts.

remember when I said apart from ww2 and Malaysia

don’t let me disturb your fantasies

• I pointed that out before, but wookie moved the goal posts.

I’ve noted his side steps and tangential movement…

Putin has moved part of his fleet to within cooee of Syria, so looks like this might be a proxy war between Russia and the West fought on neutral territory. It will be just like old times.

furious said:

wibble wibble, wobble wobble

love your debating style

the fact is that Australia has many more defeats over 60 years than victories

can you see a pattern happening here?

• don’t let me disturb your fantasies

You must be dizzy…

• can you see a pattern happening here?

Yes, I see the pattern of you being loopy…

dv said:

Putin has moved part of his fleet to within cooee of Syria, so looks like this might be a proxy war between Russia and the West fought on neutral territory. It will be just like old times.

I have complete faith that the Australian navy will destroy the might of the Russian navy in the name of “democracy” and Sydney

they’ve spent ten years fighting kids with ak 47s I don’t like their chances against a real army

furious said:

• don’t let me disturb your fantasies

You must be dizzy…

my head is spinnin

like a whirlwind…..

it never ends

dv said:

Putin has moved part of his fleet to within cooee of Syria, so looks like this might be a proxy war between Russia and the West fought on neutral territory. It will be just like old times.

It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity… is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador

Australian doesn’t make its own battle tank , it does make an APC though but this is only good for kids with guns

it has a few ships, most of them rusty and pulled off the high seas in time for japans whale hunt

its got subs, my word its got subs but most of them don’t work

its got the steyr but it has to manufacture under licence

they own a few drones made by someone else

the other stuff is mainly American

we can look forward to the f35 when it finally works, we could always use seasprite agains tthose bounders but that doesn’t exist anymore

I love the strutting the world stage thing

Just to clarify, both wookiemeister and Anywho are 9/11 Troofers, correct?

PM 2Ring said:

Just to clarify, both wookiemeister and Anywho are 9/11 Troofers, correct?

If you are able to clarify anything from the Wookie, then you will have will have achieved a great deal PM.

PM 2Ring said:

Just to clarify, both wookiemeister and Anywho are 9/11 Troofers, correct?

it doesn’t what I think the wars going to go ahead with me anyway

if America wants to launch terrorists against its own citizens that’s their business

any nation that detonates a nuclear bomb and marches 100,000 men through the ground zero of the thing afterwards is mad

i’m off to rub my body down with damp newspapers so they’ll have to start the war without me

Bubblecar said:

>Putin and Assad have more honour and integrity than all the lying scum Western leaders combined.

I think we can take it for granted that Anywho is one of those fearless individuals who instinctively back the worst of the bad guys, ‘cos y’know, it just seems kinda cool to side with the nasties.

My take is the opposite, I am backing the ones who are showing honesty and integrity, if I wanted to “back the worst of the bad guys” I would back the lying British or Americans, or perhaps the rebels who cut off the priests heads.

Do you have any evidence that Dr Assad is a “nasty”? To me he is a secular leader fighting a foreign backed Islamist uprising, and all the evidence is that he certainly has not used chemical weapons.

I take it you just believe the shallow media reports that paint Assad as “nasty”? I guess it is too confrontational for you to digest that the West are the nasty ones, even though they are the rampant war mangers, even though they are supporting Islamists, and even though they have to blatantly lie to justify their position?

wookiemeister said:

PM 2Ring said:

Just to clarify, both wookiemeister and Anywho are 9/11 Troofers, correct?

it doesn’t what I think the wars going to go ahead with me anyway

I don’t know what the hell that’s supposed to mean.

But I guess that since you haven’t denied it I can go on assuming that you’re a Troofer.

PM 2Ring said:

Just to clarify, both wookiemeister and Anywho are 9/11 Troofers, correct?

I certainly am, my latest contribution was $200 towards a $220k advertising campaign due to start soon.

Ironically for most of you, the US will likely be dropping bombs that support Islamic terrorists linked to Al CIAda, the al nusra front, right on the anniversary of 9/11.

No irony for me, although the brazen hypocrisy is breathtaking.

PM 2Ring said:

wookiemeister said:

PM 2Ring said:

Just to clarify, both wookiemeister and Anywho are 9/11 Troofers, correct?

it doesn’t what I think the wars going to go ahead with me anyway

I don’t know what the hell that’s supposed to mean.

But I guess that since you haven’t denied it I can go on assuming that you’re a Troofer.

—-

You might have guessed thart Riff.. is Ruthernox?

Anywho said:

PM 2Ring said:

Just to clarify, both wookiemeister and Anywho are 9/11 Troofers, correct?

I certainly am, my latest contribution was $200 towards a $220k advertising campaign due to start soon.

Thank you for giving a clear answer, Anywho.

Cameron got slapped down in Britian, even after watering down his resolution, this is a huge rebuke to his lies.

The US is going ahead regardless, they are lying through their teeth (as always) but calculate that once bombing starts people will rally behind the president, this may be a miscalculation because both trust and support are at n all time low for this attack.

An AP reporter says that rebels are telling him they are sometimes supplied with Sarin from Saudi sources and not even told what it is, some are dying from mishandling it.

.http://original.antiwar.com/Dale-Gavlak/2013/08/30/syrians-in-ghouta-claim-saudi-supplied-rebels-behind-chemical-attack/

The US is not just lying, they are being the ultimate hypocrites by encouraging and protecting the Syria rebels use of chemical weapons, at the same time as the act horrified at their use as they lie about Assad using them.

The lies are unravelling, bombs are needed to stop the web of lies from being exposed, once a war is underway the lies in the buildup to war will be forgotten unti the postmortem.

The empire is unravelling, if they go ahead with war it could all blow up in their faces, if the don’t then the lies could all blow up in their faces, it may well be that another false flag in the West is needed to galvanise public opinion.

i’m interested to see if Russian land to sea missiles are any good.

would they be able to take down a modern ship fitted with all the bells and whistles?

how would iron dome handle thousands of missiles invading an air space?

how good would scuds be given they should have better inertial navigation by now?

if Russia and America went head to head in the med who would win

would Russian troops simply head south through Georgia and come into Syria via Syria, would turkey want to fight off Russian troops with more ammo, more troops ? the arrival of Russian troops on the border of turkey would cut off the weapons trail

if they did this would all oil cease to flow to western Europe?

how much economic damage would the yanks be prepared to do to themselves, considering they are already in serious debt? sure the weapons industry would be ok but how would the dollar hold up under it being furiously being printed to pay for more war?

how many troops would Australia be prepared to lose in the war between the Russians and the west.

same old story different country everyone knows the WMDs story isn’t real now.

given that theres been NO movement in oil prices at your local petrol station I would say nothing is going to happen

Iran will be the big playmaker, if they attack Israel then all hell breaks loose, I would suggest the puppet monarchies in the region will not be able to help the US for fear their palaces will be overrun for siding with Israel.

I somehow think that everyone in the region thinks its time to have it out, Israel is pushing for a regional war it thinks it can win, Iran knows that if it lets Syria get picked off then Iran is next.

It’s a powder keg, and Obummer is the dumbarse who will light the fuse, what a sick joke it was giving the Nobel peace prize to him, or any US president for that matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpmFIWm1dWw

how to stage a photo op

my guesses are that the “victims” of the gas attack don’t exist, they killed the cats and dogs though.

I hope their war on the world works out for them.

what if there was a boycott on the “news”. what if you asked people to stop watching tv news and instead got their news from other news agencies?

Like Facebook?

wookiemeister said:

my guesses are that the “victims” of the gas attack don’t exist, they killed the cats and dogs though.

I hope their war on the world works out for them.

You want bad taste and offensive content?

wookiemeister said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpmFIWm1dWw

how to stage a photo op

it doesn’t mean shit all in all. Personally, if my children had been killed by chemical weapons and you were carrying on about ‘fakers’ I would be spending the time I used to commit to my children on hunting you down and making you suffer. Drawing conclusions on this shit is just being a dramatist.

Divine Angel said:

Like Facebook?

Like The Australian.

I don’t have a strong opinion on what should be done: not because I don’t care, but because it is basically a choice between two kinds of suck.

I thought, in the scheme of things, what happened in Libya went well. The rebels more or less won with external support and the Islamists didn’t take over. I’ll call that a win.

Syria ain’t Libya, though, and this thing just isn’t ending.

Putin’s a dick, though.

dv said:

I don’t have a strong opinion on what should be done: not because I don’t care, but because it is basically a choice between two kinds of suck.

I thought, in the scheme of things, what happened in Libya went well. The rebels more or less won with external support and the Islamists didn’t take over. I’ll call that a win.

Syria ain’t Libya, though, and this thing just isn’t ending.

Putin’s a dick, though.

You call the destruction of a nation a win? The most prosperous nation in Africa reduced to being run by warring militias is a win? The ethnic flensing and killing of black Libyans is just dandy?

This was another war based on lies.

To suggest the Islamists are not taking over is pigshit ignorant, do you think they fought a war just to suddenly give up on sharia law?

The Islamists are taking over, there is no sugar coating that can turn this into a win for the Libyan people, in spite of the West’s lust for war and desperation to make war acceptable.

Libya bans women’s football:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/07/sharia-in-action-.html

Putin’s a dick, though.

yep.

the war in Libya continues, it hasn’t ended at all.

there is no win

Russian President Vladimir Putin has declared ‘utter nonsense’ the idea that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons on its own people and called on the US to present its supposed evidence to the UN Security Council
http://rt.com/news/putin-us-syria-evidence-249/

wookiemeister said:

the war in Libya continues, it hasn’t ended at all.

there is no win

gees your a sucker wook. The middle east has relied on war for stability for 3000 years. You think a bit of ‘well intentioned’ western voyuerism is going to effect this establishment?

if someone isn’t fighting for what they have, all they have is miles and miles of desert dust with some mucky black shit that gets everywhere!

Riff-in-Thyme said:

wookiemeister said:

the war in Libya continues, it hasn’t ended at all.

there is no win

gees your a sucker wook. The middle east has relied on war for stability for 3000 years. You think a bit of ‘well intentioned’ western voyuerism is going to effect this establishment?

Worked all right when it was tribe v tribe, vendetta v vendetta, but tribal politics breaks down in modern despotic states. That is why it is so vicious, you can not just supress a competing tribe you have to cow and break them completely cos if they ever get into power, sure as shit, it is your tribe that will suffer.

Saturday, August 31

09:28 GMT: The Syrian government said that it expected a military attack imminently, and it was ready to respond in kind.

“We are expecting an attack at any moment. We are ready to retaliate at any moment,” AFP cited a Syrian security official, who wished to remain anonymous, as saying.

get ready for great tv folks

Skunkworks said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

wookiemeister said:

the war in Libya continues, it hasn’t ended at all.

there is no win

gees your a sucker wook. The middle east has relied on war for stability for 3000 years. You think a bit of ‘well intentioned’ western voyuerism is going to effect this establishment?

Worked all right when it was tribe v tribe, vendetta v vendetta, but tribal politics breaks down in modern despotic states. That is why it is so vicious, you can not just supress a competing tribe you have to cow and break them completely cos if they ever get into power, sure as shit, it is your tribe that will suffer.

our involvement simply ramps up the odds.

wookiemeister said:

Saturday, August 31

09:28 GMT: The Syrian government said that it expected a military attack imminently, and it was ready to respond in kind.

“We are expecting an attack at any moment. We are ready to retaliate at any moment,” AFP cited a Syrian security official, who wished to remain anonymous, as saying.

get ready for great tv folks

it was crap last time it won’t change

i’m interested because i’m interested to see if the sea skimming missiles are any good

Riff-in-Thyme said:

Skunkworks said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

gees your a sucker wook. The middle east has relied on war for stability for 3000 years. You think a bit of ‘well intentioned’ western voyuerism is going to effect this establishment?

Worked all right when it was tribe v tribe, vendetta v vendetta, but tribal politics breaks down in modern despotic states. That is why it is so vicious, you can not just supress a competing tribe you have to cow and break them completely cos if they ever get into power, sure as shit, it is your tribe that will suffer.

our involvement simply ramps up the odds.

To my mind an attack would be silly. I am not convinced Assad did it, and anyway, if he did, and the great satan decides to lob in a few cruise missiles, he might as well take the gloves off and use the rest of his stocks.

Plus the usual difficulties of trying to impose your will by force from air alone. How long has the civil war been going for now? Whats a few more explosions? Plus with Iran and Russia in the wings to what benefit to the US of throwing in some cruise missiles and pissing them off as well, plys the recruitment tool to bearfy wierdys if the great satan is once again bombing muslims.

beardy weirdys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M133_Kornet

The Kornet (Russian: “Корнет”; English: Cornet) is a Russian anti-tank guided missile (ATGM). It is intended to deal with main battle tanks and to engage slow and low flying helicopters, but is not intended to fully replace previous systems, due to the cost. The missile carries the GRAU designation 9M133 and the NATO reporting name AT-14 Spriggan.

During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Kornets were used by some groups of Iraqi special forces to attack American armoured vehicles, “disabling at least two Abrams tanks and one Bradley armored troop carrier in the opening week of the war”.[

Skunkworks said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

Skunkworks said:

Worked all right when it was tribe v tribe, vendetta v vendetta, but tribal politics breaks down in modern despotic states. That is why it is so vicious, you can not just supress a competing tribe you have to cow and break them completely cos if they ever get into power, sure as shit, it is your tribe that will suffer.

our involvement simply ramps up the odds.

To my mind an attack would be silly. I am not convinced Assad did it, and anyway, if he did, and the great satan decides to lob in a few cruise missiles, he might as well take the gloves off and use the rest of his stocks.

Plus the usual difficulties of trying to impose your will by force from air alone. How long has the civil war been going for now? Whats a few more explosions? Plus with Iran and Russia in the wings to what benefit to the US of throwing in some cruise missiles and pissing them off as well, plys the recruitment tool to bearfy wierdys if the great satan is once again bombing muslims.

You haven’t heard what I am saying Skunk. This shit has been going on for 1000’s of years. It is the standard economical response to hard times in ‘the west’. A new weapon doesn’t mean shit any more than a new tactic. If there is a socially weak area of the world, political powers will find a way to fight over it. All this commentary is only strengthening that choice for them.

I would be more inclined to let Iran and Russia sort out their client state with all the money and hassles that would entail, Russia with its restive muslim population would be wary as well about getting involved. Saudi and Iraq would be a natural counterbalance to any shenanigans by Iran.

the first retaliatory strike would be Israel, the string puller behind the US invasion

I don’t think they’d be let off lightly

Russia would get involved either supplying weapons to the Syrians (assuming they didn’t have the s300 already)

the only option now for the Syrians is a first strike, I wouldn’t be waiting around for the attack like Iraq.

the first retaliatory strike would be Israel, the string puller behind the US invasion

I don’t think they’d be let off lightly

Russia would get involved either supplying weapons to the Syrians (assuming they didn’t have the s300 already)

the only option now for the Syrians is a first strike, I wouldn’t be waiting around for the attack like Iraq.

wookiemeister said:

the first retaliatory strike would be Israel, the string puller behind the US invasion

I don’t think they’d be let off lightly

Russia would get involved either supplying weapons to the Syrians (assuming they didn’t have the s300 already)

the only option now for the Syrians is a first strike, I wouldn’t be waiting around for the attack like Iraq.

you think playing red alert a few times makes you a master tactician?

the only reason that north korea hasn’t been attacked since the end of the war is because they developed their army and long range weapons

if they had just rested on their laurels they would have found the American airforce flattening their cities

the key to knocking out the yanks is to knock out their airforce – Speer in his memoirs realised that Germany needed to develop fighters and SAMs designed to specifically knock out the bombers

a long range carrier killer would be necessary to even the odds

the yanks have never changed their methods – pound from the air. any country that doesn’t have a decent SAM system is wide open to being attacked by America – even Australia

if Australia for any reason decided not to go with what the yansk told us to do we’ d be chalked up on the board for elimination.

Australia has never bothered to develop a SAM system is is thus wide open to attack by the larger powers such as china, Russia and america

Riff-in-Thyme said:

wookiemeister said:

the first retaliatory strike would be Israel, the string puller behind the US invasion

I don’t think they’d be let off lightly

Russia would get involved either supplying weapons to the Syrians (assuming they didn’t have the s300 already)

the only option now for the Syrians is a first strike, I wouldn’t be waiting around for the attack like Iraq.

you think playing red alert a few times makes you a master tactician?

oh no

if I were charge I would have launched everything I had the yanks threatened me

anyone lobbing nuclear weapons at me would have had chemical salvos in return

Riff-in-Thyme said:

wookiemeister said:

the first retaliatory strike would be Israel, the string puller behind the US invasion

I don’t think they’d be let off lightly

Russia would get involved either supplying weapons to the Syrians (assuming they didn’t have the s300 already)

the only option now for the Syrians is a first strike, I wouldn’t be waiting around for the attack like Iraq.

you think playing red alert a few times makes you a master tactician?

seriously wookie. you can sound really fucking offensive sometimes. The people making important decisions in all this shit have actual lives to think about, while you just roll off the technical numbers. I don’t think you’d know what a real decision involving peoples lives would look like if it up and slapped you round the face with it’s unwashed phallous.

There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend’s hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight O’clock.

• you think playing red alert a few times makes you a master tactician?

Risk…

wookiemeister said:

the only reason that north korea hasn’t been attacked since the end of the war is because they developed their army and long range weapons

A better reason would be why stick you dick into a bullants nest for no good reason. As long as they stay behind their own (admittedly contested) borders starving and abusing their own population who really cares (in an international relations sense). The country is set to implode at some stage when the population gets jacked off enough, and it is Chinas problem really.

furious said:

There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend’s hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight O’clock.

and an unkempt man will maintain a dubious relationship with a stray dog!!!

when the American threaten they always follow through with it

therefore at the first threat I would have launched because the war would be coming sooner or later

by launching a first salvo i’d have a greater of chance of making a knock out blow than waiting around to be turned into dust

that was the thing with the nuclear war scenario, if you could launch first you’d be more likely to deliver the knock out blow

the problem is

are you willing to handle the consequences of the first nuclear strike?

in a “limited” theatre such as Syria it would be necessary to land the first blow

mining the roads into the road from the north would halt the tanks from turkey for weeks , you’d need to mine the roads from the surrounding countries to stop any land force reaching you

armed with a decent SAM system you could continue launching missile salvoes at your leisure

Riff-in-Thyme said:

furious said:

There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend’s hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight O’clock.

and an unkempt man will maintain a dubious relationship with a stray dog!!!

releasing upon his neighbors many itchy fleas!!!

• the only reason that north korea hasn’t been attacked since the end of the war is because they developed their army and long range weapons

But how many wars have they won in the last sixty years?

Riff-in-Thyme said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

wookiemeister said:

the first retaliatory strike would be Israel, the string puller behind the US invasion

I don’t think they’d be let off lightly

Russia would get involved either supplying weapons to the Syrians (assuming they didn’t have the s300 already)

the only option now for the Syrians is a first strike, I wouldn’t be waiting around for the attack like Iraq.

you think playing red alert a few times makes you a master tactician?

seriously wookie. you can sound really fucking offensive sometimes. The people making important decisions in all this shit have actual lives to think about, while you just roll off the technical numbers. I don’t think you’d know what a real decision involving peoples lives would look like if it up and slapped you round the face with it’s unwashed phallous.

haven’t you read the news friend

the people in charge don’t have any idea what they are doing either

i’m putting forward the notion that the situation may not play out like some cake walk

we don’t see the scenario B being played out in the media because its political heresy

Riff-in-Thyme said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

wookiemeister said:

the first retaliatory strike would be Israel, the string puller behind the US invasion

I don’t think they’d be let off lightly

Russia would get involved either supplying weapons to the Syrians (assuming they didn’t have the s300 already)

the only option now for the Syrians is a first strike, I wouldn’t be waiting around for the attack like Iraq.

you think playing red alert a few times makes you a master tactician?

seriously wookie. you can sound really fucking offensive sometimes. The people making important decisions in all this shit have actual lives to think about, while you just roll off the technical numbers. I don’t think you’d know what a real decision involving peoples lives would look like if it up and slapped you round the face with it’s unwashed phallous.

haven’t you read the news friend

the people in charge don’t have any idea what they are doing either

i’m putting forward the notion that the situation may not play out like some cake walk

we don’t see the scenario B being played out in the media because its political heresy

• releasing upon his neighbors many itchy fleas!!!

Your mother smells of elderberries…

furious said:

• the only reason that north korea hasn’t been attacked since the end of the war is because they developed their army and long range weapons

But how many wars have they won in the last sixty years?

you could put Australia in that basket

don’t mention this to people here because they’ve been fed some artificial diet of victories through defeat – it makes them angry

wookiemeister said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

you think playing red alert a few times makes you a master tactician?

seriously wookie. you can sound really fucking offensive sometimes. The people making important decisions in all this shit have actual lives to think about, while you just roll off the technical numbers. I don’t think you’d know what a real decision involving peoples lives would look like if it up and slapped you round the face with it’s unwashed phallous.

haven’t you read the news friend

the people in charge don’t have any idea what they are doing either

i’m putting forward the notion that the situation may not play out like some cake walk

we don’t see the scenario B being played out in the media because its political heresy

aaaaah hahahahahahahahahahaaa

bloke, wake up to yourself. anyone who claims to know what they are doing in this world are guaranteed to be selling you a line of shit designed to provide themselves an income. stop playing the game

wookiemeister said:

i’m putting forward the notion that the situation may not play out like some cake walk

Didnt you say earlier you didn’t think anything would happen?

furious said:

• releasing upon his neighbors many itchy fleas!!!

Your mother smells of elderberries…

say what you want. you’re the one with fleas bwahahahahaaaa

• you could put Australia in that basket

You really need to keep track of your ravings…

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

i’m putting forward the notion that the situation may not play out like some cake walk

Didnt you say earlier you didn’t think anything would happen?

nah i’m just building up some steam here in the Syria thread as a limited theatre of action

its the Syria thread what does anyone expect here

furious said:

• you could put Australia in that basket

You really need to keep track of your ravings…

so what conflict has Australia won since ww2 and partially Malaysia?

wookiemeister said:

furious said:

• you could put Australia in that basket

You really need to keep track of your ravings…

so what conflict has Australia won since ww2 and partially Malaysia?

what technically constitutes a win for you?

• so what conflict has Australia won since ww2 and partially Malaysia?

You’re like a ball of wool…

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

i’m putting forward the notion that the situation may not play out like some cake walk

Didnt you say earlier you didn’t think anything would happen?

nah i’m just building up some steam here in the Syria thread as a limited theatre of action

“given that theres been NO movement in oil prices at your local petrol station I would say nothing is going to happen”

in the Syria I can put forward the idea of Russia invading from the north, over running Georgian forces and pushing down to turkey.

Turkish forces in eastern turkey get knocked out as Russian forces then cut off the oil pipelines to western Europe

oil prices skyrocket, the share market crashes.

Russian forces then cut off the weapon supplies to Syria via turkey and the free Syrian army gets squashed between the Russians in the north and the syrian army in the south

Israel gets invaded it – it mulls between firing off nuclear weapons and getting turned into glass by a Russian salvo and the end of Jehovah’s so called promised land or surrendering. and surrenders. the only legacy left of Jehovah would be a smoking crater of what used to be Jerusalem

Jordan gets knocked over

these forces now continue south into Saudi whilst the straits of hormuz are also blocked

the military bases get flattened in the allied muslim countries and iran fills the gaps in these countries

Riff-in-Thyme said:

wookiemeister said:

furious said:

• you could put Australia in that basket

You really need to keep track of your ravings…

so what conflict has Australia won since ww2 and partially Malaysia?

what technically constitutes a win for you?

er winning as in the “enemy” no longer exists, the enemy isn’t still continuing operation AGAINST you whilst leaving the country

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

Didnt you say earlier you didn’t think anything would happen?

nah i’m just building up some steam here in the Syria thread as a limited theatre of action

“given that theres been NO movement in oil prices at your local petrol station I would say nothing is going to happen”

please work with me on this one skunkworks, how am I going to build up steam here if you are going to use that against me?

• er winning as in the “enemy” no longer exists

Nice one, Franco…

wookiemeister said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

wookiemeister said:

so what conflict has Australia won since ww2 and partially Malaysia?

what technically constitutes a win for you?

er winning as in the “enemy” no longer exists, the enemy isn’t still continuing operation AGAINST you whilst leaving the country

yeah, whereas, for a person who might be accepted as being cognitively responsible, winning would require that a cognitively responsible result be achieved

face it

Australia is a dud in winning wars

sure it has “special forces” but in the end has NO capability unless it acts purely as an auxillary to American forces

it has developed

no tank missiles

no SAM systems

no fighters, no bombers

its army is small

it made subs but they are duds and most of them aren’t at sea but being repaired

I would say that the military here could defend the place but in reality they are only good as an auxillary force for operations ELSEWHERE as a junior partner, they have no capability in defending this country hence ANZUS where we agree to nod and send small detatchments to Americas new battleground.

this was the problem with the germans when they invaded Russia, there weren’t any of them telling hitler it was a mistake (though the generals should have spent more time getting rid of hitler before he was allowed to get into a position of power)

wookiemeister said:

face it

Australia is a dud in winning wars

by who’s standard? yours? You know what you are supposed to know and I am not sure you could genuinely cope with more. for instance, have you ever known someone intimately involved with any actual military action or decision making?

wookiemeister said:

I would say that the military here could defend the place but in reality they are only good as an auxillary force for operations ELSEWHERE as a junior partner, they have no capability in defending this country hence ANZUS where we agree to nod and send small detatchments to Americas new battleground.

None of that is a secret and doesn’t require any special insight.

• this was the problem with the germans when they invaded Russia, there weren’t any of them telling hitler it was a mistake

Meow, meow…

What the fuck are you on about Wookie? Australia isn’t going to take on Syria on our own, if we have any involvement it will be peripheral at best.

• What the fuck are you on about Wookie? Australia isn’t going to take on Syria on our own

Be prepared to walk down a side street because the answer you get will not be to the question you asked…

party_pants said:

What the fuck are you on about Wookie? Australia isn’t going to take on Syria on our own, if we have any involvement it will be peripheral at best.

Australia doesn’t take on anyone, ever! If it just happens that somebody we have to fight is lying on the ground when we turn up, yeah, we’ll sink the boot in. Don’t ask us how they got on the ground though. We only just turned up!!!! ;)

the aussies have been naughty boys cutting off hands of the dead recently

you’re right they specialise in turning up and sinking the boot in once someone is on the ground

I wonder what the “diggers” would have thought about mutilating the dead??

but we can still sell the myth of the diggers and stitch them on present army right?

• the aussies have been naughty boys cutting off hands of the dead recently

Woof…

A unit of elite Australian special forces troops is under investigation for mutilating the body of at least one Afghan insurgent.

The ABC understands the hands were removed from an insurgent’s corpse and taken back to the Australian base at Tarin Kot.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-30/claims-sas-troops-cut-hands-off-afghan-insurgent/4924694

wookiemeister said:

A unit of elite Australian special forces troops is under investigation for mutilating the body of at least one Afghan insurgent.

The ABC understands the hands were removed from an insurgent’s corpse and taken back to the Australian base at Tarin Kot.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-30/claims-sas-troops-cut-hands-off-afghan-insurgent/4924694

give’em a VC

• I wonder what the “diggers” would have thought about mutilating the dead??

Aaargh…

wookiemeister said:

the aussies have been naughty boys cutting off hands of the dead recently

you’re right they specialise in turning up and sinking the boot in once someone is on the ground

No, that isn’t what I said. That is simply standard practice for any who have achieved a ‘public political victory’(you get to deliver a number of ‘low blows’ without backlash). What is the purpose of a ‘public military action’?

furious said:

• I wonder what the “diggers” would have thought about mutilating the dead??

Aaargh…

You think diggers would deliver an unsolicited exclamation?

it would be interesting going there after the bombing

I bet there wouldn’t be as many fucking touts around the tourist sites of Palmyra pestering the hell out of you

wookiemeister said:

it would be interesting going there after the bombing

I bet there wouldn’t be as many fucking touts around the tourist sites of Palmyra pestering the hell out of you

it must be a better world!

Riff-in-Thyme said:

wookiemeister said:

it would be interesting going there after the bombing

I bet there wouldn’t be as many fucking touts around the tourist sites of Palmyra pestering the hell out of you

it must be a better world!

no idea

i’m reading Pravda now, at least the news there is a little more balanced

As of August 1, 2013, 12 U.S. cities have declared themselves bankrupt and insolvent. Nearly 350 small and medium-sized cities in the country and 113 municipal districts of large cities, particularly New York, are close to doing that. In mid-July, the City Hall of the former automotive capital of the United States Detroit has filed for bankruptcy. The city’s debt amounts to 18 billion, of which 9.2 billion are pensions and medical
http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/22-08-2013/125468-usa_national_debt-0/

I bet there wouldn’t be as many fucking touts around the tourist sites of Palmyra pestering the hell out of you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0UPXd7zlA

A royal expert has claimed that Princess Diana was murdered by SAS members who were disguised as photographers.

The man in question, Alan Power, believes that he has proof that commando hitmen were hired to stop Di from disclosing the details of her sex life with Prince Charles, the Daily Star reported.

Power alleged that the soldiers chased her car on motorbikes and shone a laser into driver Henri Paul’s eyes.

Power added that he is a 100 percent sure that the incident was no accident, but murder.

British Police are currently investigation a letter, which was provided by the parents-in-law of a former SAS member, claiming that SAS was involved in the murder of Princess of Wales and her lover Dodi Fayed.
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/1877069/report-was-princess-diana-killed-by-sas-murderers-posing-as-paparazzi

Skunkworks said:

I would be more inclined to let Iran and Russia sort out their client state with all the money and hassles that would entail, Russia with its restive muslim population would be wary as well about getting involved. Saudi and Iraq would be a natural counterbalance to any shenanigans by Iran.

The simple truth is that Syria can sort its own affairs out, if the West and Saudi Arabia and Qatar weren’t meddling there would be no insurgency.

Even with the support of these nations the Islamist rebels were getting their arses kicked, that is why this latest staged attack has occurred, basically the precious Islamist rebels need Western intervention.

Russia’s position has always been that outside countries shouldn’t be arming or paying the rebels, and that Syria can take care of its own business,

just watching landline

some cunt wants people in australia to eat alpacas

• just watching landline

One does not simply <I>watch</I> landline…

>>Power alleged that the soldiers chased her car on motorbikes and shone a laser into driver Henri Paul’s eyes.

Jesus, that would have been a good shot. Have you ever stood in a lecture theatre and used a laser pointer to highlight things on a slide presentation? Now imagine doing that from a motorbike, travelling at high speed, and aiming at the eyes of a bloke in a fast moving car.

morrie said:

>>Power alleged that the soldiers chased her car on motorbikes and shone a laser into driver Henri Paul’s eyes.

Jesus, that would have been a good shot. Have you ever stood in a lecture theatre and used a laser pointer to highlight things on a slide presentation? Now imagine doing that from a motorbike, travelling at high speed, and aiming at the eyes of a bloke in a fast moving car.

As much as this whole theory is BS, aiming a high power laser well enough to do damage to the driver, even of you are on a motorbike, is very very doable. Don’t ask how I know that…

Stealth said:

morrie said:

>>Power alleged that the soldiers chased her car on motorbikes and shone a laser into driver Henri Paul’s eyes.

Jesus, that would have been a good shot. Have you ever stood in a lecture theatre and used a laser pointer to highlight things on a slide presentation? Now imagine doing that from a motorbike, travelling at high speed, and aiming at the eyes of a bloke in a fast moving car.

As much as this whole theory is BS, aiming a high power laser well enough to do damage to the driver, even of you are on a motorbike, is very very doable. Don’t ask how I know that…

and the motivation for conformity is????

Stealth said:

As much as this whole theory is BS, aiming a high power laser well enough to do damage to the driver, even of you are on a motorbike, is very very doable. Don’t ask how I know that…

Very doable? I call shenanigans, I reckon it would be very hard. Lob out some magnesium flares maybe but an aimed laser between two moving vehicles and all the driver has to do is instinctively brake slightly or turn slightly to throw off the aim. Even a flare, with a driver suddenly blinded he could hit the anchors and drop a lot of speed and with that instinctive road map you retain, picture the road ahead and steer in the approximate correct direction whilst washing of speed and merc have great brakes.

I’ll ask how do you know or what do you base your contention on?

And that very hard bit feeds into if you wanted to off her and had enough info to have trained killers with high powered lasers on motorbikes with all the risks of being detected in the tunnel cameras ready to go (yeah I know the wankers will say cameras were nobbled) you would have the resources and capability to just place a bomb in the car and blame the IRA.

Skunkworks said:

Stealth said:

As much as this whole theory is BS, aiming a high power laser well enough to do damage to the driver, even of you are on a motorbike, is very very doable. Don’t ask how I know that…

Very doable? I call shenanigans, I reckon it would be very hard. Lob out some magnesium flares maybe but an aimed laser between two moving vehicles and all the driver has to do is instinctively brake slightly or turn slightly to throw off the aim. Even a flare, with a driver suddenly blinded he could hit the anchors and drop a lot of speed and with that instinctive road map you retain, picture the road ahead and steer in the approximate correct direction whilst washing of speed and merc have great brakes.

I’ll ask how do you know or what do you base your contention on?

I am Class IV laser safety officer and I had work based experience with aiming lasers between two moving vehicles.

Stealth said:

I am Class IV laser safety officer and I had work based experience with aiming lasers between two moving vehicles.

That wasn’t so hard to admit. You are going to describe the conditions now? Military ranges have laser safety signs but that is mostly due to people wearing vision equipment. You saying a laser held by presumably a pillion on a bike can be aimed well enough and has enough power to blind the driver of a car despite any instinctive reactions they have when blinded to close eyes and brake as hard as they can?

I still reckon shenanigans.

Skunkworks said:

Stealth said:

I am Class IV laser safety officer and I had work based experience with aiming lasers between two moving vehicles.

That wasn’t so hard to admit. You are going to describe the conditions now? Military ranges have laser safety signs but that is mostly due to people wearing vision equipment. You saying a laser held by presumably a pillion on a bike can be aimed well enough and has enough power to blind the driver of a car despite any instinctive reactions they have when blinded to close eyes and brake as hard as they can?

I still reckon shenanigans.

Well the close your eyes bit works well for a class II laser, but class IIIa and above it makes no difference to permanent damage. But a class II laser could still temporarily blind a driver enough to have a crash.

You can call unsupported shenanigans all you like, but it is just that, unsupported.you are guessing. Whereas I have done it,and it is surprisingly easy. Maybe I am just a brilliant shot with unbelievable eye hand coordination or maybe it is just not that hard.

Stealth said:

Maybe I am just a brilliant shot with unbelievable eye hand coordination

Some of us have met you, and I call shenanigans on that.

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/08/27/the-broader-stakes-of-syrian-crisis/

Whereas I have done it,and it is surprisingly easy. Maybe I am just a brilliant shot with unbelievable eye hand coordination or maybe it is just not that hard.

the thing with lasers is that they use light. the near instantaneous aspect of it means you don’t have to lead the target. the feed back as to aim is real time so to speak. makes keeping on target far easier.

the other theory is the flash bulb method was used

the flash came first and the fiat uno drove into the back of the car hitting the corner and the car ploughs into the central pillars of the tunnel

if lasers are so difficult to aim why do pilots whinge when someone from a great distance is shining a laser into their eyes?

I suppose with these limited strikes they won’t mind Syria taking down their ships in a few limited strikes of an on going nature

Iraq was bombed every day between the two invasions by nato

by the looks of it Syria never took heed that a invasion was coming there way too. the Iranians have been building stuff as well but I doubt if they are preparing their country for limited strikes.

north korea was the only country to take concrete steps to stymie ground invasion and air attack, sure, it turned their country into a military encampment but at least America will never try to take them on.

You should apply for a job at the Pentagon Wookie

Boris said:

Whereas I have done it,and it is surprisingly easy. Maybe I am just a brilliant shot with unbelievable eye hand coordination or maybe it is just not that hard.

the thing with lasers is that they use light. the near instantaneous aspect of it means you don’t have to lead the target. the feed back as to aim is real time so to speak. makes keeping on target far easier.

Just the same,. most people with a laser pointer are only able to wave it around in the general vicinity of the object that they are drawing attention to. Any tremble is amplified significantly. The red dot usually dances around quite a bit. And that is standing on a firm floor with a steady target. Some adrenalin pumping to be sure, but then so it would be on the bike.

these were trained assassassins though.

;-)

Boris said:

these were trained assassassins though.

;-)

Ah, like Bryant.
of course!

;-)

morrie said:

Boris said:

Whereas I have done it,and it is surprisingly easy. Maybe I am just a brilliant shot with unbelievable eye hand coordination or maybe it is just not that hard.

the thing with lasers is that they use light. the near instantaneous aspect of it means you don’t have to lead the target. the feed back as to aim is real time so to speak. makes keeping on target far easier.

Just the same,. most people with a laser pointer are only able to wave it around in the general vicinity of the object that they are drawing attention to. Any tremble is amplified significantly. The red dot usually dances around quite a bit. And that is standing on a firm floor with a steady target. Some adrenalin pumping to be sure, but then so it would be on the bike.

Red dot.. pfffft. Green dots are much more fun. And I have just been gifted a 420nm violet laser which is a bit naff indoors on projection screens, but is amazing on Day Glo traffic signs and other car number plates (although I would only know that if I had been using while driving around, and thankfully Skunkworks has set me straight about the fact I can’t aim it well enough to hit anything…)

Stealth said:

morrie said:

Boris said:

Whereas I have done it,and it is surprisingly easy. Maybe I am just a brilliant shot with unbelievable eye hand coordination or maybe it is just not that hard.

the thing with lasers is that they use light. the near instantaneous aspect of it means you don’t have to lead the target. the feed back as to aim is real time so to speak. makes keeping on target far easier.

Just the same,. most people with a laser pointer are only able to wave it around in the general vicinity of the object that they are drawing attention to. Any tremble is amplified significantly. The red dot usually dances around quite a bit. And that is standing on a firm floor with a steady target. Some adrenalin pumping to be sure, but then so it would be on the bike.

Red dot.. pfffft. Green dots are much more fun. And I have just been gifted a 420nm violet laser which is a bit naff indoors on projection screens, but is amazing on Day Glo traffic signs and other car number plates (although I would only know that if I had been using while driving around, and thankfully Skunkworks has set me straight about the fact I can’t aim it well enough to hit anything…)

Road signs and number plates are, you will admit, larger targets than eyeballs. Especially two separate eyeballs.

Road signs and number plates are, you will admit, larger targets than eyeballs.

unless it’s a giant squid. they have pretty big eyeballs.

And eyeballs are larger than pupils

Boris said:

Road signs and number plates are, you will admit, larger targets than eyeballs.

unless it’s a giant squid. they have pretty big eyeballs.

Don’t be coming the raw prawn, Boris.

Bette Davis had pretty big eyes.

did they check the driver’s eyes for laser damage?

i got betty davis’ eyes. in a jar.

Divine Angel said:

Bette Davis had pretty big eyes.

She had the sort of face that helped millions of people quite smoking and cut down on coffee.

morrie said:

Stealth said:

morrie said:

Just the same,. most people with a laser pointer are only able to wave it around in the general vicinity of the object that they are drawing attention to. Any tremble is amplified significantly. The red dot usually dances around quite a bit. And that is standing on a firm floor with a steady target. Some adrenalin pumping to be sure, but then so it would be on the bike.

Red dot.. pfffft. Green dots are much more fun. And I have just been gifted a 420nm violet laser which is a bit naff indoors on projection screens, but is amazing on Day Glo traffic signs and other car number plates (although I would only know that if I had been using while driving around, and thankfully Skunkworks has set me straight about the fact I can’t aim it well enough to hit anything…)

Road signs and number plates are, you will admit, larger targets than eyeballs. Especially two separate eyeballs.

Well yes, and using a class II laser (like I was) I would need to focus it on the 7mm aperture of the pupil for over 0.25s to cause permanent damage (and convince the driver not to blink), but that would assume that only causing permanent damage could cause an accident. Whereas a shorter exposure to a class II laser could distract and/or destroy the night vision of a driver. And of course assuming any special ops person is going to limit themselves to a class II laser and not go for a class IIIb which can do permanent damage with a scan exposure (that means it flashes over the eye during a movement of the laser)

The latest claim against Syria is that they used napalm or thermite (oh the irony) on children, the British ministry of propaganda (.BBC) is leading the charge.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-23892594

I have to laugh at the cheap makeup and actors that look exactly like the ones in wookiemeisters video.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fpmFIWm1dWw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfpmFIWm1dWw

Good thing that they didn’t wash the burning incendiary off of themselves before arriving at the clinic, otherwise the other makeup may have come off too.

Boris said:

did they check the driver’s eyes for laser damage?

Probably not as it is a wacko theory in the first place. And of course even if it was true, permanent damage may not have been done.

>quite smoking

Not quite the same as quitting.

Stealth said:

Boris said:

did they check the driver’s eyes for laser damage?

Probably not as it is a wacko theory in the first place. And of course even if it was true, permanent damage may not have been done.

They would have had to check that he was dead. It would have been embarrassing to have a blind, injured driver complaining of being dazzled by someone on a motorbike.

Why doesn’t Barry just send in the CIA and give everyone a bloody good talking to like they used to?

• bump *

dv said:

Hopefully this whole Syria thing will drag on for a few years so we’ll have many more dead baddies. I know 426 of these gassing victims were children but you know what they say: little baddies grow into big baddies.

Syria’s a basket case. There’s no easy solution. In fact, there’s probably not a workable hard solution, either.

PM 2Ring said:

dv said:

Hopefully this whole Syria thing will drag on for a few years so we’ll have many more dead baddies. I know 426 of these gassing victims were children but you know what they say: little baddies grow into big baddies.

Syria’s a basket case. There’s no easy solution. In fact, there’s probably not a workable hard solution, either.

Is it to much to ask to have a PM whose analysis isn’t aimed at a kindergarten level?

PM 2Ring said:

Syria’s a basket case. There’s no easy solution. In fact, there’s probably not a workable hard solution, either.

No, no. It’s a piece of cake. I proposed the solution on this very forum only a few (several?) hours ago.

dv said:

PM 2Ring said:

dv said:

Hopefully this whole Syria thing will drag on for a few years so we’ll have many more dead baddies. I know 426 of these gassing victims were children but you know what they say: little baddies grow into big baddies.

Syria’s a basket case. There’s no easy solution. In fact, there’s probably not a workable hard solution, either.

Is it to much to ask to have a PM whose analysis isn’t aimed at a kindergarten level?

Please, don’t insult the children.

*too

dv said:

PM 2Ring said:

dv said:

Hopefully this whole Syria thing will drag on for a few years so we’ll have many more dead baddies. I know 426 of these gassing victims were children but you know what they say: little baddies grow into big baddies.

Syria’s a basket case. There’s no easy solution. In fact, there’s probably not a workable hard solution, either.

Is it to much to ask to have a PM whose analysis isn’t aimed at a kindergarten level?

No, but I’m afraid we’re probably going to luck out in that respect for the next few years.

A decade ago, chemist Derek Lowe wrote a series of articles on chemical weapons. They can be found at the bottom of this page. I posted a link to these articles a few weeks ago, but I think this thread ought to have copy. Sarin & its relatives are horrible stuff.

PM 2Ring said:

A decade ago, chemist Derek Lowe wrote a series of articles on chemical weapons. They can be found at the bottom of this page. I posted a link to these articles a few weeks ago, but I think this thread ought to have copy. Sarin & its relatives are horrible stuff.

I patented a process that is applicable to the destruction of Sarin, 20 years ago. There was quite a lot of work in that area then. IIRC they were getting rid of stockpiles. We never actually tried it on sarin, but it was clear from analogy that it would work. There was work published on using high surface area magnesia to do the job.

Did you test it with organophosphate insecticides?

PM 2Ring said:

Did you test it with organophosphate insecticides?

No, it was mainly aimed at chlorinated compounds.

morrie said:

PM 2Ring said:

Did you test it with organophosphate insecticides?

No, it was mainly aimed at chlorinated compounds.

Also acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, I guess. And generally more persistent in the environment than organophosphates.

PM 2Ring said:

morrie said:

PM 2Ring said:

Did you test it with organophosphate insecticides?

No, it was mainly aimed at chlorinated compounds.

Also acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, I guess. And generally more persistent in the environment than organophosphates.

It found application mainly in getting rid of stuff like transformer oil, 2,4,5-T, 2,4-D, DDT and so on.

morrie said:

PM 2Ring said:

morrie said:

No, it was mainly aimed at chlorinated compounds.

Also acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, I guess. And generally more persistent in the environment than organophosphates.

It found application mainly in getting rid of stuff like transformer oil, 2,4,5-T, 2,4-D, DDT and so on.

Makes sense. When you said chlorinated, my first thought was DDT & co. But I’d forgotten about halogenated transformer oils.

In my late teens, I used DDT to get rid of head lice. It worked, but I’m sure I felt a slight acetylcholine overload effect from it… or maybe I was just imagining things. :)

>> Makes sense. When you said chlorinated, my first thought was DDT & co. But I’d forgotten about halogenated transformer oils.

I was wondering about that.. what transformer oils got to do with OCs?

>>In my late teens, I used DDT to get rid of head lice. It worked, but I’m sure I felt a slight acetylcholine overload effect from it…

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised.

I’ve handled my share of OC and OP in my time.. nasty stuff..

The patent ant killer I use (carefully) seems to have affinity for the mucous membranes.

PM 2Ring said:

dv said:

Hopefully this whole Syria thing will drag on for a few years so we’ll have many more dead baddies. I know 426 of these gassing victims were children but you know what they say: little baddies grow into big baddies.

Syria’s a basket case. There’s no easy solution. In fact, there’s probably not a workable hard solution, either.

The figure of 426 children is pure propaganda, if a gas attack happened at all, and there is no certainty that it did, the real figure will be much lower and it will be the rebels who carried it out.

It is a no-brainier that it is only the rebels who gain from this attack.

There is an easy solution, stop supporting the Islamist rebels and his war ends tomorrow, even with the West, the Saudis, and Qatar arming the rebels and paying wages the rebels were on the verge of defeat, that is why they are using gas – to blame it on Syria and get much needed direct intervention from the West.

I’ll put this in this thread.

Someone brought this topic to my attention today. It proposes a few root causes behind the situation in Syria. There is an interesting and quite wide ranging discussion that follows. I found it quite an interesting read. It certainly brought up some things that I have not seen mentioned in any of the television reports on Syria.

Peak oil, climate change and pipeline geopolitics driving Syria conflict

Putin has called Kerry a liar and pathetic, this is what the lying sum deserve, to be called out on their lies.

http://world.time.com/2013/09/04/putin-sets-uncompromising-tone-ahead-of-g-20-summit/?iid=gs-main-lead

I wonder if pathetic Obummer will try to lighten the mood at th G20 like he tried in Ireland when Putin slapped him down?

Not surprising Obummer cracks jokes as he prepare to destroy another nation, it’s all fun and games for them, like him and Kerry heading off to the golf course after telling the nation he’s decided to bomb Syria, or songbird McCain playing poker on his phone at a senate hearing into Syria.

Kerry can lie with a straight face because he’s so full of Botox a straight face is assured, but anyone with brains knows Syria did not gas it’s own people, it’s yet another false flag either done by the rebels or completely staged.

The American people know it, and the military personnel are not happy fighting on the side of Al Qaeda.

Yes it’s difficult to tell one way or the other at this stage, like you I’ll be keeping an open mind.

here you go anywho…

If western politicians cannot be trusted why is Putin any more believable?

Witty Rejoinder said:

If western politicians cannot be trusted why is Putin any more believable?

He’s asked for proof to be openly disclosed.

He’s asked for the UN to be given time to finish their reports.

He, and Assad, have said it is an insult to common sense that Syria would use chemical weapons the day the UN inspectors arrive in the country.

He is open about the atrocities of the rebels.

It’s not a case of blindly believing him, the substance of his reasoning and position is not contradictory or based on flimsy or false information, he is consistent, measured, and honest (WRT Syria).

He is also a Christian, while I am not religious at all myself, there is something inherently wrong with the West’s Christian leaders supporting a side which has and will slaughter the Christians in Syria. There are 2 million or so Christoans in there and they overwhelmingly support Assad, not only because he is a secular ledger, but because they know what will happen if the rebels win.

Sorry for the spelling errors, the iPad has a mind of its own and everything goes haywire if I try to correct earlier mistakes.

Anywho said:

Sorry for the spelling errors, the iPad has a mind of its own and everything goes haywire if I try to correct earlier mistakes.

I have noticed that on the iphone and ipad… I but it doesn’t occur on any other forum.. just this one.

• I have noticed that on the iphone and ipad… I but it doesn’t occur on any other forum.. just this one.

Happens with android too…

furious said:

• I have noticed that on the iphone and ipad… I but it doesn’t occur on any other forum.. just this one.

Happens with android too…

just on this forum?

I suspected it was a forum thing… there needs to be a ‘mobile version’ ‘tablet version’

• just on this forum?

Seems to be…

You can’t be syrious.

Arts said:

furious said:

• I have noticed that on the iphone and ipad… I but it doesn’t occur on any other forum.. just this one.

Happens with android too…

just on this forum?

I suspected it was a forum thing… there needs to be a ‘mobile version’ ‘tablet version’

.Works fine on my android phone. Bit of a pain in the backside with the small screen, but otherwise works the same.

• .Works fine on my android phone

Works mostly fine but attempting to go back and edit sometimes causes the whole lot to disappear and you have to start over…

Don’t know about others but for me the text box detaches and floats above itself when editing…

On mine, it’s just like the normal forum (but unreadably tiny).

it’s all in the editing.. as furious said… if you have to go back and edit, the cursor ‘hangs’ or goes up to the quote space (as it does with me)

but no biggie.

Latest update is that Russia has handed a 100 page report to the UN claiming the rebels, not Syria, used sarin prior to the August 21 alleged incident. The report took 3 months to complete and analyses the type of sarin used (not industrial) and the rockets used (not standard military).

http://rt.com/news/chemical-aleppo-findings-russia-417/

While some will be cynical because it comes from Russia, it is big on detail, it is scientific, and it has been handed in to the UN for open scrutiny… unlike the USA’s four page allegation that Assad used gas.

It is starting to look like th house may possibly reject the call for militar action, although there are still a shed load of undecided:

Anywho said:

Latest update is that Russia has handed a 100 page report to the UN claiming the rebels, not Syria, used sarin prior to the August 21 alleged incident. The report took 3 months to complete and analyses the type of sarin used (not industrial) and the rockets used (not standard military).

http://rt.com/news/chemical-aleppo-findings-russia-417/

While some will be cynical because it comes from Russia, it is big on detail, it is scientific, and it has been handed in to the UN for open scrutiny… unlike the USA’s four page allegation that Assad used gas.

It is starting to look like th house may possibly reject the call for militar action, although there are still a shed load of undecided:

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2013/09/politics/syria-congress-vote-count/house.html
Here’s the link I meant to post

• The report took 3 months to complete

That was a neat trick. How’s that done then?

furious said:

• The report took 3 months to complete

That was a neat trick. How’s that done then?

It was a report into an earlier sarin attack

• It was a report into an earlier sarin attack

Oh, I see…

I’m waiting for the UN report. Whatever happens – or doesn’t – it should be under a UN mandate and not a unilateral decision.

They should unite the two warring factions in Syria against a common enemy by bombing the lot of them…

Obviousman said:

I’m waiting for the UN report. Whatever happens – or doesn’t – it should be under a UN mandate and not a unilateral decision.

Hopefully the bombs won’t fall before the UN report, it’s due in two weeks or so.

The push for war is in completely uncharted waters, Americans are deeply opposed to involvement, one member of congress has said he got 500 emails and only one of them supported war. The vote in congress is close but will likely pass, but the vote in the House of Representatives is running at 5 to 1 against a strike:

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2013/09/politics/syria-congress-vote-count/house.html

Some congress members who have seen the classified evidence say it proves nothing:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/congress-members-who-have-seen-classified-evidence-about-syria-say-it-fails-to-prove-anything/5348723

VIPS veteran intelligence professionals for sanity, are saying that their inside sources are saying it was NOT Assad who used sarin, the rebels bought in sarin canisters and opened them and the US intelligence were at the meeting in Turkey where a “war changing development” was discussed:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-military-and-intelligence-officials-to-obama-assad-not-responsible-for-chemical-attack/5348576

It is looking more and more like gas was used in some capacity, most likely in conjunction with a preplanned mass staging of fake victims, some of the (real) child victims are suspected of being Alawite children who were abducted during a massacre a week earlier:

http://www.voltairenet.org/article180149.html

The rock is getting bigger, and the hard place harder for Obummer, does he keep pushing lies that nobody believes? Does he wait for a UN report that may point to the rebels? Does he drop bombs just days before a UN report that may make a liar of him?

Or does he step back from the brink of war? The last US president to do that was Kennedy, that didn’t work too good for him.

If one wanted to be generous to Obama, it could be suggested he has deliberately dragged his feet and turned the push for war into a debarcle in order to make military action nigh on impossible, but that in turn raises questions about who the powerful shadow entities are that are pushing for war if not him.

Latest news is that Assad gave an interview on CBS, he insisted on an unedited interview to stop misrepresentation, however, that doesn’t stop all other news services misrepresenting him as threatening America which is a load of lying horseshit, he was prompted by the interviewer into answering what retaliation could be expected.

He reiterated that Syria did not use chemical weapons, and that the US is lying (again) and have not produced any evidence.

But the big news is that the Kerry made an off hand comment that Syria and Russia jumped on about Syria giving up any chemical weapons it has, the US tried to back away from Kerry’s comment but were forced to go along to save face.

It is also looking like Obummer will lose the vote for war in the senate and certainly the house will vote against it.

Hopefully the UN report will be an open and honest one about what really happened, it will be the ultimate slap down for Obummer and US lying intelligence reports.

In what should be headline news, two reporters who were kidnapped by the rebels have said it was the rebels, not Assad, who used chemicals in the August attack:

Quote: A western journalist released after being held hostage in Syria for five months has claimed President Assad’s regime was not responsible for the use of chemical weapons in a Damascus suburb.
Belgian writer Pierre Piccinin, who was freed on Monday, said that the rebel captors who held him prisoner claimed that it was insurgents rather than President Bashar al-Assad who had ordered the Ghouta massacre.
Piccinin said that he and Domenico Quirico, an Italian journalist who was held and released with him, heard their jailers talking about the chemical weapon attack and saying that Assad was not to blame.
His co-captive Quirico confirmed that he too had overheard the conversation through a closed door but said that he had no evidence to corroborate what he heard.
Piccinin said the hostages despaired when they learnt that the U.S. was planning to launch retaliatory air strikes against the Assad regime over the Damascus attack.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2416644/Syrian-official-agrees-Russian-proposal-hand-chemical-weapons.html

This backs up a senior AP reporter who says some rebels have told him they are supplied with sarin from Saudi Arabia and not even told what it is, some have died from mishandling it.

http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-news-rebels-admit-gas-attack-result-of-mishandling-chemical-weapons

Rebels also got caught in Turkey with sarin

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-supported-jabhat-al-nusra-caught-with-sarin-gas-inside-turkey/5337035

and a UN inspector earlier concluded the rebels, not Syria, had used gas.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2320223/UN-accuses-Syrian-rebels-carrying-sarin-gas-attacks-blamed-Assads-troops.html

Here is a full transcript of the recent CBS interview with Assad, he talks with honour, honesty, and integrity. My only complaint would be that he goes along with the 911 – Al Quaeda bullshit, but I guess this I understandable considering he is fighting Al Quaeda and he is appealing to the US public.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/president-al-assads-interview-with-cbs-news/5349165

Putin has delivered an open letter to the American people stating the rebels, not Syria, most likely used gas, he also rightly questions American “exceptionalism”, and he warns of a rebel plan to use chemicals against Israel (a lot of people are expecting another false flag attack to justify war).

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?ref=opinion&_r=1&

Michel Chossudovsky, probably the worlds best known left wing intellectual, gives a very informative interview about Syria, I was very surprised when he seemed to endorse 9/11truth because he had previously dismissed the movement, although in the video it is unclear to what capacity he supports 9/11truth.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lMvbLMItGB4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DlMvbLMItGB4

The fuck you on about?

Dropbear said:

The fuck you on about?

Dropbear said:

The fuck you on about?

Just giving updates on the ever changing game of chess going on, in th appropriate thread.

Anywho said:

Putin has delivered an open letter to the American people stating the rebels, not Syria, most likely used gas,

Perhaps the rebels are the culprits in this case. But linking the recent events in Syria to the so-called 9/11 Truth movement doesn’t help your credibility.

Russia supports Assad not the rebels

because Assad buys Russian weapons

Assad trained as a Doctor,

now kills people

…doesn’t help your credibility.

i don’t know how to put this nicely….

PM 2Ring said:

Anywho said:

Putin has delivered an open letter to the American people stating the rebels, not Syria, most likely used gas,

Perhaps the rebels are the culprits in this case. But linking the recent events in Syria to the so-called 9/11 Truth movement doesn’t help your credibility.

Chussodovsky did that, much to my surprise.

Anywho said:

Dropbear said:

The fuck you on about?

Just giving updates on the ever changing game of chess going on, in th appropriate thread.

You’re being a fucktard. You are boring and so is your thread. You are sad and you make me sad and that’s not ok on RU OK day.

Dropbear said:

Anywho said:

Dropbear said:

The fuck you on about?

Just giving updates on the ever changing game of chess going on, in th appropriate thread.

You’re being a fucktard. You are boring and so is your thread. You are sad and you make me sad and that’s not ok on RU OK day.

WTF, you don’t have to read any thread that makes you “sad”, or that you find boring.

Pastor Terry Jones Arrested Before He Could Burn Qurans
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/terry-jones-arrested_n_3909765.html

MULBERRY, Fla. — A Florida pastor was arrested Wednesday as he drove a pickup truck towing a large barbecue-style grill filled with kerosene-soaked Qurans to a park, where the pastor had said he was planning to burn 2,998 of the Muslim holy books_ one for every victim of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

more…

Australia has its first suicide bomber:

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/australian-blows-himself-up-in-syria/story-fndir2ev-1226718108442

He detonated a car bomb at a school (if initial reports are accurate).

Anywho said:

Australia has its first suicide bomber:

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/australian-blows-himself-up-in-syria/story-fndir2ev-1226718108442

He detonated a car bomb at a school (if initial reports are accurate).

his own family may and himself have been threatened with death if he didn’t

CrazyNeutrino said:

Anywho said:

Australia has its first suicide bomber:

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/australian-blows-himself-up-in-syria/story-fndir2ev-1226718108442

He detonated a car bomb at a school (if initial reports are accurate).

his own family may and himself have been threatened with death if he didn’t

I notice reports like this often don’t clarify which side he was on, I wonder, given the demonisation of Assad, how many Australians would understand he was on the rebel side?

Putin is playing that Afro Irish Kenyan Muslim Hawaiian Indonesia chap off a break.