Date: 29/08/2013 15:50:06
From: PermeateFree
ID: 380877
Subject: Pacific cooling explains slowdown in global warming

Poor Tony, yet something else pointing out the folly of his and other’s thinking. And crazy Bob Catter must be pulling out his toenails by now.

>>A slowing in global warming that climate sceptics say undermines the greenhouse theory is simply a “hiatus” from higher temperatures, according to scientists.

Scientists say it could be explained by naturally occurring La Nina weather events in the Pacific Ocean in recent years.

La Nina brings cooler waters to the surface and potentially masks the global heat-trapping effect of rising emissions of greenhouse gases.

“The current hiatus is part of natural climate variability, tied specifically to a La Nina-like decadal cooling,” according a University of California study.

University of NSW’s Alex Sen Gupta said the new study of the Pacific was “compelling evidence” that warming was being masked by the oceans and that the slowdown was tied to natural cycles.

Past studies have linked the slowdown in the pace of warming to factors such as a build-up of sun-dimming air pollution in the atmosphere or a decline in the sun’s output. Others suggest that the deep oceans may be absorbing more heat.

Some experts noted the study did not fully explain the hiatus.

“An important question that the paper does not address is where this energy has gone. Almost certainly it is in the deep ocean,” Will Hobbs, of Australia’s Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies said.

Sceptics have seized on the discrepancy as proof that if warming exists, it is not man-made but has natural causes such as fluctuations in solar heat.

A UN panel of scientists will issue a report in late September but drafts show it is likely to raise the probability that human activities are the main cause of climate change to “extremely likely”, or a 95 per cent chance. That is up from 90 per cent in the last report in 2007.

The current hiatus is part of natural climate variability, tied specifically to a La Nina-like decadal cooling.

University of California study.

Its main scenarios also show that temperatures could rise by up to about 5 degrees celsius by 2100.
However, the drafts devote little space to explaining the hiatus in rising temperatures.

Almost 200 governments have agreed to limit a rise in temperatures to less than 2 degrees celsius above levels before the Industrial Revolution.
That means the average world surface temperatures should not rise above about 15.6 celsius.

Temperatures have so far gained by about 0.8 degrees celsius and many scientists say that warming is already causing more extreme weather, ranging from heatwaves to downpours.

Nine of the 10 warmest years since records began in the mid-19th century have been since 2000, with 1998 the exception, according to the UN World Meteorological Organisation (WMO).

Even so, the pace of warming has slowed from the 1980s and 1990s even though greenhouse gas emissions have hit record highs.

There have been four years with La Nina cooling events in the Pacific since 1998 and only two with the opposite, El Nino, when the Pacific waters warm, according to WMO data.<<
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/slowdown-in-global-warming-only-temporary/4920476

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Date: 29/08/2013 16:30:57
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 380889
Subject: re: Pacific cooling explains slowdown in global warming

duh

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Date: 29/08/2013 17:21:35
From: PermeateFree
ID: 380903
Subject: re: Pacific cooling explains slowdown in global warming

Riff-in-Thyme said:


duh

Think you ought to stick with posting funny pictures.

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Date: 31/08/2013 09:58:44
From: The_observer
ID: 382482
Subject: re: Pacific cooling explains slowdown in global warming

>>>Poor Tony, yet something else pointing out the folly of his and other’s thinking. And crazy Bob Catter must be pulling out his toenails by now.

>>A slowing in global warming that climate sceptics say undermines the greenhouse theory is simply a “hiatus” from higher temperatures, according to scientists.
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so, PermeateFree, how much of the less than 1C warming that occurred during the 80s – 90s

did the dominating el nino & positive PDO account for?

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Date: 31/08/2013 13:48:40
From: PermeateFree
ID: 382564
Subject: re: Pacific cooling explains slowdown in global warming

The_observer said:

>>>Poor Tony, yet something else pointing out the folly of his and other’s thinking. And crazy Bob Catter must be pulling out his toenails by now.

>>A slowing in global warming that climate sceptics say undermines the greenhouse theory is simply a “hiatus” from higher temperatures, according to scientists.
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so, PermeateFree, how much of the less than 1C warming that occurred during the 80s – 90s

did the dominating el nino & positive PDO account for?

I just read what the scientists working in that field say and as over 97% agree with each other, you would need to be pretty dumb not to do the same. Following all the raving nutters and those with vested interests is hardly comparable and certainly not worthy of repetition, unless of course you are one.

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Date: 2/09/2013 03:03:38
From: The_observer
ID: 383994
Subject: re: Pacific cooling explains slowdown in global warming

>>and as over 97% agree with each other<<<

OMG, exactly what does this imaginary 97% agree about exactly?

>>> Following all the raving nutters<<<

The authors used the GFDL coupled global climate model. They conducted three simulations:

The historical (HIST) experiment is forced with observed atmospheric composition changes and the solar cycle. In Pacific Ocean–Global Atmosphere (POGA) experiments, SST anomalies in the equatorial eastern Pacific (8.2% of the Earth’s surface) follow the observed evolution (see Methods). In POGA-H, the radiative forcing is identical to HIST, and in the POGA control experiment (POGA-C) it is fixed at the 1990 value . Outside the equatorial eastern Pacific, the atmosphere and ocean are fully coupled and free to evolve.

The results in terms of global-average surface temperature are shown in Fig 1 below:

In Fig 1 a, you can see how well the POGA H global average surface temperature matches the observations particularly since about 1965 (note central Pacific Ocean temperatures have increasing and significant uncertainty prior to 1980).

What is mind blowing is Figure 1b, which gives the POGA C simulations (natural internal variability only). The main ’fingerprint’ of AGW has been the detection of a separation between climate model runs with natural plus anthropogenic forcing, versus natural variability only. The detection of AGW has emerged sometime in the late 1970′s , early 1980′s.

Compare the temperature increase between 1975-1998 (main warming period in the latter part of the 20th century) for both POGA H and POGA C:

POGA H: 0.68C (natural plus anthropogenic)
POGA C: 0.4C (natural internal variability only)

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Date: 2/09/2013 03:23:22
From: Ian
ID: 383997
Subject: re: Pacific cooling explains slowdown in global warming

Even Tony’s a convert..

He can get on with fixing the problem after next weekend with his green army.

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Date: 2/09/2013 04:58:46
From: morrie
ID: 384000
Subject: re: Pacific cooling explains slowdown in global warming

>I just read what the scientists working in that field say and as over 97% agree with each other, you would need to be pretty dumb not to do the same

That’s about the same percentage as scientists working in the field believe that limestone caves are formed by water percolating from above.

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Date: 2/09/2013 05:04:20
From: Ian
ID: 384001
Subject: re: Pacific cooling explains slowdown in global warming

morrie said:

That’s about the same percentage as scientists working in the field believe that limestone caves are formed by water percolating from above.

How do limestone caves form?

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Date: 2/09/2013 05:31:12
From: morrie
ID: 384004
Subject: re: Pacific cooling explains slowdown in global warming

Ian said:


morrie said:

That’s about the same percentage as scientists working in the field believe that limestone caves are formed by water percolating from above.

How do limestone caves form?


By percolation of water from above.

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Date: 2/09/2013 05:32:19
From: morrie
ID: 384005
Subject: re: Pacific cooling explains slowdown in global warming

morrie said:


Ian said:

morrie said:

That’s about the same percentage as scientists working in the field believe that limestone caves are formed by water percolating from above.

How do limestone caves form?


By percolation of water from above.


Unless of course, like Jack, you think they are formed by hot water rising from below.

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