The UN report on Syria is in, the US media is claiming it proves Syria launched the attack, with a few even claiming that the rebels don’t possess surface to surface missile ability which is simply untrue.

http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

It is not a very comprehensive report and the detail will be poured over by many in the coming days, the missile diagram on page 20 is remarkably similar to a missile used by the rebels in a youtube clip which claims to be of the rebels using gas.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5iKKjNHFNdQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5iKKjNHFNdQ

The trajectory of the missile is supposed to implicate Syria, but how accurate would that be? It is based on where the motor landed after the warhead exploded, so would the kinetic energy of the motor overcome the warhead explosion to give an accurate trajectory?

Anywho said:

The UN report on Syria is in, the US media is claiming it proves Syria launched the attack, with a few even claiming that the rebels don’t possess surface to surface missile ability which is simply untrue.

http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

It is not a very comprehensive report and the detail will be poured over by many in the coming days, the missile diagram on page 20 is remarkably similar to a missile used by the rebels in a youtube clip which claims to be of the rebels using gas.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5iKKjNHFNdQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5iKKjNHFNdQ

The trajectory of the missile is supposed to implicate Syria, but how accurate would that be? It is based on where the motor landed after the warhead exploded, so would the kinetic energy of the motor overcome the warhead explosion to give an accurate trajectory?

there was an Italian felah recently released by the free Syria army that over heard in prison that it was the “rebels that did it.

I think we all know the free Syria mob did it, America just wants to start a war with them, let them get on with.

if I were Syria the last thing i’d be doing is handing over my last trump card that would stop an attack, every country in the recent past that gave up its weapons was attacked soon afterwards. even if you were never going to use them it would be threat enough to stop an attack, how do you think north korea has remained untouched for so long ? they have weapons

Two Europeans who were abducted and held hostage for several months in Syria claim they overheard an exchange between their captors which proves that rebels were behind the recent chemical attack.

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In a number of interviews to European news outlets, the former hostages – Belgian teacher Pierre Piccinin and Italian journalist Domenico Quiric – said they overheard an English-language Skype conversation between their captors and other men which suggested it was rebel forces, not the government, that used chemical weapons on Syria’s civilian population in an August 21 attack near Damascus.

“It is a moral duty to say this. The government of Bashar al-Assad did not use sarin gas or other types of gas in the outskirts of Damascus,” Piccinin said during an interview with Belgium’s RTL radio station.

Piccinin stressed that while being held captive, he and fellow prisoner Quirico were secluded from the outside world and had no idea that chemical weapons were deployed. But the conversation which both men overheard suggested that the use of the weapons was a strategic move by the opposition, aimed at getting the West to intervene.

“In this conversation, they said that the gas attack on two neighborhoods of Damascus was launched by the rebels as a provocation to lead the West to intervene militarily,” Quirico told Italy’s La Stampa. “We were unaware of everything that was going on during our detention in Syria, and therefore also with the gas attack in Damascus.”

While stating that the rebels most likely exaggerated the accident’s death toll, the Italian journalist stressed that he could not vouch whether “the conversation was based on real facts.” However, he said that one of the three people in the alleged conversation identified himself as a Free Syrian Army general, La Stampa reported.

Based on what both men have learned, Peccinin told RTL that it would be “insane and suicidal for the West to support these people.”

“It pains me to say it because I’ve been a fierce supporter of the Free Syrian Army in its rightful fight for democracy since 2012,” Piccinin added.
http://rt.com/news/chemical-weapons-rebels-captives-632/

These Two Men Allegedly Overheard Incredibly Explosive Skype Conversation While Being Held Hostage in Syria
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/11/teacher-and-journalist-held-hostage-in-syria-claim-they-overheard-explosive-skype-conversation-about-chemical-attack-during-captivity/

wookiemeister said:

if I were Syria the last thing i’d be doing is handing over my last trump card that would stop an attack, every country in the recent past that gave up its weapons was attacked soon afterwards. even if you were never going to use them it would be threat enough to stop an attack, how do you think north korea has remained untouched for so long ? they have weapons

Either way they are going to be attacked, the US doesn’t give up on war easy.

Syria is apparently awash in untapped oil and gas, so the West’s support for the rebels and threats of war won’t end any time soon

http://www.ibtimes.com/syria-losing-out-huge-reserves-oil-natural-gas-eastern-mediterranean-sea-while-cyprus-israel-get

wookie and anywho sitting in a tree……conspiring.

wookiemeister said:

if I were Syria the last thing i’d be doing is handing over my last trump card that would stop an attack, every country in the recent past that gave up its weapons was attacked soon afterwards.

Which countries would they be? What weapons were given up?

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

if I were Syria the last thing i’d be doing is handing over my last trump card that would stop an attack, every country in the recent past that gave up its weapons was attacked soon afterwards.

Which countries would they be? What weapons were given up?

Libya and Iraq come to mind

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

if I were Syria the last thing i’d be doing is handing over my last trump card that would stop an attack, every country in the recent past that gave up its weapons was attacked soon afterwards.

Which countries would they be? What weapons were given up?

Libya and Iraq come to mind

Libya eh? You need to expand a bit, and in both cases what weapons did they give up that resulted in the attack?

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

Which countries would they be? What weapons were given up?

Libya and Iraq come to mind

Libya eh? You need to expand a bit, and in both cases what weapons did they give up that resulted in the attack?

Libya got rid of its “WMD’s before it was “overthrown” and the Libyan army kicked by NATO who went to the country and started bombing

one thing that anyone should have taken away from ten years of war is that the american’s don’t take prisoners, when they start threatening to attack – they will. anyone who is being threatened by them either arms themselves to the hilt and a thousand plans to come into play in the event of an attack or simply passes into history.

by the way dictatorships have always been around, the greek cities were for the most part dictatorships by any other means even whilst living under the banner of “democracy’. its a shame most people can’t remember past two days ago, which is a problem when you’ve got people strutting around calling for war every 5 seconds.

north korea having fought America to a standstill in a conventional conflict, re-armed and moulded itself into a totalitarian regime to withstand the next attack that must Shirley come. they are prepared and just like Sparta reformed their society into a military caste supported by peasants that were kept under the thumb. they don’t back down and actively shell south korea to knowingly provoke an attack that America refuses to respond to.

the americans attack people who are weak.

as for the Iranians they should have been preparing for an attack ever since the “shah” got kicked out.

the americans principally attack by air, they bomb and pound into submission. albert speer points this out in his memoirs. any country that hasn’t bothered to build robust air defences is wide open to attack. the germans were being flattened and speer was trying to make hitler see that the time for building bombers was over – only fighters and SAMs would save the day.

unfortunately the Syrians and the Iranians have that fatal flaw of sitting back and doing nothing to save themselves (its widespread amongst the Arabic states – they sit on their arse all day SFA and usually throw lots a lot of rubbish around the place). when the end comes for the Syrian government it will come quickly and most likely by air.

wookiemeister said:

one thing that anyone should have taken away from ten years of war is that the american’s don’t take prisoners, when they start threatening to attack – they will. anyone who is being threatened by them either arms themselves to the hilt and a thousand plans to come into play in the event of an attack or simply passes into history.

Kennedy in Cuba was the last US president to step back from the brink of war, that didn’t work too good for him.

wookiemeister said:

Libya got rid of its “WMD’s before it was “overthrown” and the Libyan army kicked by NATO who went to the country and started bombing

one thing that anyone should have taken away from ten years of war is that the american’s don’t take prisoners, when they start threatening to attack – they will. anyone who is being threatened by them either arms themselves to the hilt and a thousand plans to come into play in the event of an attack or simply passes into history.

by the way dictatorships have always been around, the greek cities were for the most part dictatorships by any other means even whilst living under the banner of “democracy’. its a shame most people can’t remember past two days ago, which is a problem when you’ve got people strutting around calling for war every 5 seconds.

north korea having fought America to a standstill in a conventional conflict, re-armed and moulded itself into a totalitarian regime to withstand the next attack that must Shirley come. they are prepared and just like Sparta reformed their society into a military caste supported by peasants that were kept under the thumb. they don’t back down and actively shell south korea to knowingly provoke an attack that America refuses to respond to.

the americans attack people who are weak.

as for the Iranians they should have been preparing for an attack ever since the “shah” got kicked out.

the americans principally attack by air, they bomb and pound into submission. albert speer points this out in his memoirs. any country that hasn’t bothered to build robust air defences is wide open to attack. the germans were being flattened and speer was trying to make hitler see that the time for building bombers was over – only fighters and SAMs would save the day.

unfortunately the Syrians and the Iranians have that fatal flaw of sitting back and doing nothing to save themselves (its widespread amongst the Arabic states – they sit on their arse all day SFA and usually throw lots a lot of rubbish around the place). when the end comes for the Syrian government it will come quickly and most likely by air.

The very recent NATO airstrikes were not done because they thought they were safe from WMD which Libya agreed to stop its weapon programs way back when it was sick of sanctions after Lokerbie which was what your initial claim implied and no mention of Iraq despite some heavy furniture and goalposts as above being pushed around.

I think you went into conspiracy mode before engaging brain mode.

You are right to a degree and if you had of said something like possession of nukes complicates any invasion and may deter invasion which would be an entirely reasonable thing to say. But you over egged to the max and so far, far from

wookiemeister said:

every country in the recent past that gave up its weapons was attacked soon afterwards

you have some up with a very slight claim for a single country who NATO bombed 8 years after they agreed to stop WMD research.

Anywho said:

wookiemeister said:

one thing that anyone should have taken away from ten years of war is that the american’s don’t take prisoners, when they start threatening to attack – they will. anyone who is being threatened by them either arms themselves to the hilt and a thousand plans to come into play in the event of an attack or simply passes into history.

Kennedy in Cuba was the last US president to step back from the brink of war, that didn’t work too good for him.

the CIA became the praetorian guard

when the emperor was seen as of no further use they simply got rid of him and installed another

that’s the problem of an intelligence agency that’s above the law – it becomes judge, jury and executioner.

in the cold war people were defecting to America – now you’ve got people defecting to Russia. sowden has left America and feels more at liberty in Russia than America – go figure.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Libya got rid of its “WMD’s before it was “overthrown” and the Libyan army kicked by NATO who went to the country and started bombing

one thing that anyone should have taken away from ten years of war is that the american’s don’t take prisoners, when they start threatening to attack – they will. anyone who is being threatened by them either arms themselves to the hilt and a thousand plans to come into play in the event of an attack or simply passes into history.

by the way dictatorships have always been around, the greek cities were for the most part dictatorships by any other means even whilst living under the banner of “democracy’. its a shame most people can’t remember past two days ago, which is a problem when you’ve got people strutting around calling for war every 5 seconds.

north korea having fought America to a standstill in a conventional conflict, re-armed and moulded itself into a totalitarian regime to withstand the next attack that must Shirley come. they are prepared and just like Sparta reformed their society into a military caste supported by peasants that were kept under the thumb. they don’t back down and actively shell south korea to knowingly provoke an attack that America refuses to respond to.

the americans attack people who are weak.

as for the Iranians they should have been preparing for an attack ever since the “shah” got kicked out.

the americans principally attack by air, they bomb and pound into submission. albert speer points this out in his memoirs. any country that hasn’t bothered to build robust air defences is wide open to attack. the germans were being flattened and speer was trying to make hitler see that the time for building bombers was over – only fighters and SAMs would save the day.

unfortunately the Syrians and the Iranians have that fatal flaw of sitting back and doing nothing to save themselves (its widespread amongst the Arabic states – they sit on their arse all day SFA and usually throw lots a lot of rubbish around the place). when the end comes for the Syrian government it will come quickly and most likely by air.

The very recent NATO airstrikes were not done because they thought they were safe from WMD which Libya agreed to stop its weapon programs way back when it was sick of sanctions after Lokerbie which was what your initial claim implied and no mention of Iraq despite some heavy furniture and goalposts as above being pushed around.

I think you went into conspiracy mode before engaging brain mode.

You are right to a degree and if you had of said something like possession of nukes complicates any invasion and may deter invasion which would be an entirely reasonable thing to say. But you over egged to the max and so far, far from

wookiemeister said:

every country in the recent past that gave up its weapons was attacked soon afterwards

you have some up with a very slight claim for a single country who NATO bombed 8 years after they agreed to stop WMD research.

they made saddam get rid his missiles

once that happened they then attacked him

up to that the RAF and the USAF bombed Iraq every day for ten years and with few targets left the RAF were now bombing shepherds

once saddam got rid of his defence systems that could reach beyond his borders he was quickly eaten alive.

mind you he wasn’t a very nice person but considering that the yanks took over his prisons and continued the torture very little changed on the ground

if you want to stay around you never negotiate with an enemy that wants to kill you to the last man.

as I said the Syrians just sat around for years watching Iraq fall apart and didn’t think the chaos would reach their cities too

when I was in Syria there were lots of reugees from Iraq, my bets are they were sunni muslims – Syria made the mistake of letting them in – my guesses are they are the free Syria army.

the little buggers (kids of the refugees)felled my missus with an air gun whilst we crossed a road there and jumped into ataxi and buggered off quick. it wasn’t much different in Jordan they had a pot shot at me whilst I scouted for somewhere to take her for her birthday but missed because I was wise to their intentions the moment I saw a gun in their hands.

at any rate the yanks will attack anyway

rearm, prepare or die

looks as if they were stupid to do that so I guess the place will get flattened now

I took my trip to Syria because I felt they would eventually bomb the place and not make it accessible for people people to see ancient sites.

I might take a trip to iran to see Persepolis before they wipe iran from the map

wookiemeister said:

they made saddam get rid his missiles

once that happened they then attacked him

It is a funny old world, I recall scuds being lobbed at Israel and with very real fears that any of them could have payloads of WMD.

But I don’t live on planet conspiracy and fantasy.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

they made saddam get rid his missiles

once that happened they then attacked him

It is a funny old world, I recall scuds being lobbed at Israel and with very real fears that any of them could have payloads of WMD.

But I don’t live on planet conspiracy and fantasy.

Israel attacked Iraq with warplanes a few years back

what goes around….

iran isn’t part of the biblical prophecy of Abraham so a nuclear attack on iran would be acceptable

the land of Israel is between the Euphrates and the nile. any nuclear attack wouldn’t be on land they “own”

Israel could launch a nuclear attack and get away with it , America will support them to the hilt.

my own worry is that a false flag attack in an Australian main city by either ASIO or its American partners could be used to bring Australia to back an invasion of the middle east for proper – lots of money being used to sustain the problem.

my own thoughts are that the false flag attack by the yanks or our own security forces could revolve around a car bomb or perhaps some incident involving airliners. that seems to be the modus operandi.

for Australia to be dragged into a war a false flag attack might be necessary public support
the other option that could be a little cleaner for the security forces here could be bombing bali again or some resort known to be visited by Australians

wookiemeister said:

my own thoughts are that the false flag attack by the yanks or our own security forces could revolve around a car bomb or perhaps some incident involving airliners. that seems to be the modus operandi.

for Australia to be dragged into a war a false flag attack might be necessary public support
the other option that could be a little cleaner for the security forces here could be bombing bali again or some resort known to be visited by Australians

my spidey senses say an attack on an embassy over here could be in the offing, no casulaties but a firecracker outside an embassy could have enough effect if the news story was run over and over again.

wookiemeister said:

one thing that anyone should have taken away from ten years of war is that the american’s don’t take prisoners, when they start threatening to attack – they will. anyone who is being threatened by them either arms themselves to the hilt and a thousand plans to come into play in the event of an attack or simply passes into history.

Did you think of that all by yourself?

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*Tip: Reduce alcohol intake

Ian said:

wookiemeister said:

one thing that anyone should have taken away from ten years of war is that the american’s don’t take prisoners, when they start threatening to attack – they will. anyone who is being threatened by them either arms themselves to the hilt and a thousand plans to come into play in the event of an attack or simply passes into history.

Did you think of that all by yourself?

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*Tip: Reduce alcohol intake

I don’t care they’ll attack any way

whats the point of debating anything its coming anyway

I predicted a similar situation to this on another board. If the UN report said that CW had not be used, people would abuse the US. If the UN report said that CW had been used then they would claim the UN report had been faked.

With Wookie, all roads lead to the US being the bad guys.

wookiemeister said:

north korea having fought America to a standstill in a conventional conflic

I seem to recall that NK was getting their arse handed to them on a plate and being routed, when China invaded and attacked the US to stop them from getting too close to it’s borders. The US didn’t want a war with China, and withdrew to the DMZ.

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

north korea having fought America to a standstill in a conventional conflic

I seem to recall that NK was getting their arse handed to them on a plate and being routed, when China invaded and attacked the US to stop them from getting too close to it’s borders. The US didn’t want a war with China, and withdrew to the DMZ.

How many episodes of MASH did that take?

The wookie report is like a parallel universe

dv said:

The wookie report is like a parallel universe

that’s possibly why we tolerate the possibilities.

dv said:

The wookie report is like a parallel universe

More like a tangent universe.

Kingy said:

dv said:

The wookie report is like a parallel universe

More like a tangent universe.

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roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

dv said:

The wookie report is like a parallel universe

More like a tangent universe.

I repeat.. listen to ♫Paris | Caro Emerald | The Shocking Miss Emerald (Acoustic Sessions)♪♩

after all.. the next track is

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Yes, we can: Obama waives anti-terrorism provisions to arm Syrian rebels
http://rt.com/usa/obama-terrorist-arms-supply-966/

I just watched an interview Assad gave today on Fox, one of the interviewers said perhaps the most damning thing in the UN report was the trajectories of the rockets, but how can the final trajectories of the motors be considered accurate after the warheads have exploded?

In both cases the warhead exploded before the motors left the supposed evidence of the trajectory, they could have gone in any direction.

With one of the two sites they even base the evidence solely on the direction the motor is sticking out of the ground, as though that accurately shows where it came from, but even ignoring the warhead exploding pre impact, there is no way they could know that it didn’t skew it’s direction upon hitting the mound, or that it wasn’t deliberately placed there by the rebels?

I call shenanigans.