Looks as though Palmer might just squeeze into Fairfax like he would into a pair of jeans. 36 votes in it.

There will be an automatic recount.

Abbott is the first Catholic Liberal PM.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/catholics-mark-liberals-turnaround-20130920-2u5hf.html

dv said:

Looks as though Palmer might just squeeze into Fairfax like he would into a pair of jeans. 36 votes in it.

There will be an automatic recount.

He’s currently overseas on business, he’ll probably get a locum to do most of his tiresome Canberra parliament stuff, he’s too busy to do it in person.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Abbott is the first Catholic Liberal PM.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/catholics-mark-liberals-turnaround-20130920-2u5hf.html

The rest of them were Masons/Knights Templar, funny handshakes, knowing looks.

Spot the Godless, Republican closet communist.

Julia Gillard on September 14, 2010:

I, JULIA Eileen Gillard, do solemnly and sincerely affirm and declare that I will well and truly serve the Commonwealth of Australia in the office of prime minister.

Tony Abbott, September 18, 2013:

I, ANTHONY John Abbott, do swear that I will well and truly serve the people of Australia in the office of prime minister and that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia. So help me God!

What could be sadder than a Catholic monarchist? Might as well be a black man wishing he could join the KKK.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Abbott is the first Catholic Liberal PM.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/catholics-mark-liberals-turnaround-20130920-2u5hf.html

I think he’s making up for lost time.

Peak Warming Man said:

Spot the Godless, Republican closet communist.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.that

What could be sadder than a Catholic monarchist?

so we can cross science and history off his subjects?

thanks kii.

Skeptic Pete said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Spot the Godless, Republican closet communist.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.that

PWM really hates closets.

and Spot.

Boris said:

thanks kii.

You’re welcome. Have a nice day!

“It is the exact reverse of past Liberal Party cabinets,” he said.

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Yes. It only has reverse gears… even the Howard lot had 1 forward (low range).

I did, happily, have a couple of side bets that paid off: I bet on Victoria being ALP’s best state in terms of 2pp, and also bet on the Greens getting up in Melbourne.

dv said:

What could be sadder than a Catholic monarchist? Might as well be a black man wishing he could join the KKK.

You won’t be laughing when you are burning at the stake.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Abbott is the first Catholic Liberal PM.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/catholics-mark-liberals-turnaround-20130920-2u5hf.html

Looks like the Libs have gone from being WASPy to WACCy.

>>the first sign to watch for is posting in the wrong thread

OK.

lol

Listen, don’t mention the boats! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right.*

*Sorry, Mr Fawlty :(

Let’s not mention the boats.

http://thehoopla.com.au/disappearing-boats/

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Abbott is the first Catholic Liberal PM.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/catholics-mark-liberals-turnaround-20130920-2u5hf.html

Looks like the Libs have gone from being WASPy to WACCy.

Good job

Labor would have been reduced to a parliamentary rump worse than in the Whitlam defeat of 1975 had it not replaced Julia Gillard with Kevin Rudd as prime minister, according to leaked internal polling.
Mr Rudd saved Labor at least 15 seats, including those of enemies Wayne Swan, Warren Snowdon and Gary Gray, who would all have lost their jobs if Labor had persisted with Ms Gillard, according to the polling.

Read more:

http://www.theage.com.au/data-point/rudd-saved-labor-leaked-polling-shows-20130921-2u6my.html#ixzz2fa41eIb7

Witty Rejoinder said:

Labor would have been reduced to a parliamentary rump worse than in the Whitlam defeat of 1975 had it not replaced Julia Gillard with Kevin Rudd as prime minister, according to leaked internal polling.
Mr Rudd saved Labor at least 15 seats, including those of enemies Wayne Swan, Warren Snowdon and Gary Gray, who would all have lost their jobs if Labor had persisted with Ms Gillard, according to the polling.

Read more:

http://www.theage.com.au/data-point/rudd-saved-labor-leaked-polling-shows-20130921-2u6my.html#ixzz2fa41eIb7

What the polling doesn’t show is that Rudd’s constant campaign against his own side over 3 long years is a large factor in what got them into that situation in the first place. Without Rudd doing his best to destabilise the leadership the ALP may well have not been in such a position of impending disaster. He is both the arsonist and the fire-fighter.

party_pants said:

What the polling doesn’t show is that Rudd’s constant campaign against his own side over 3 long years is a large factor in what got them into that situation in the first place. Without Rudd doing his best to destabilise the leadership the ALP may well have not been in such a position of impending disaster. He is both the arsonist and the fire-fighter.

Indeed. He won’t be remembered as the person who helped stem losses in 2013.

The electorate did not like Gillard, and she did a terrible job of selling the ALP’s merits. None of that was down to Rudd. Replacing him in the first place was the start of the downfall.

dv said:

The electorate did not like Gillard, and she did a terrible job of selling the ALP’s merits. None of that was down to Rudd. Replacing him in the first place was the start of the downfall.

There’s no way in hell Rudd would have held together a minority government for three years.

dv said:

The electorate did not like Gillard, and she did a terrible job of selling the ALP’s merits. None of that was down to Rudd. Replacing him in the first place was the start of the downfall.

Correct. And that wraps up the special subject round, with dv on 10 and party-pants yet to score.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Labor would have been reduced to a parliamentary rump worse than in the Whitlam defeat of 1975 had it not replaced Julia Gillard with Kevin Rudd as prime minister, according to leaked internal polling.
Mr Rudd saved Labor at least 15 seats, including those of enemies Wayne Swan, Warren Snowdon and Gary Gray, who would all have lost their jobs if Labor had persisted with Ms Gillard, according to the polling.

Read more:

http://www.theage.com.au/data-point/rudd-saved-labor-leaked-polling-shows-20130921-2u6my.html#ixzz2fa41eIb7

What the polling doesn’t show is that Rudd’s constant campaign against his own side over 3 long years is a large factor in what got them into that situation in the first place. Without Rudd doing his best to destabilise the leadership the ALP may well have not been in such a position of impending disaster. He is both the arsonist and the fire-fighter.

inescapable truth.

party_pants said:

dv said:

The electorate did not like Gillard, and she did a terrible job of selling the ALP’s merits. None of that was down to Rudd. Replacing him in the first place was the start of the downfall.

There’s no way in hell Rudd would have held together a minority government for three years.

IMO, p_p scores with this one.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

The electorate did not like Gillard, and she did a terrible job of selling the ALP’s merits. None of that was down to Rudd. Replacing him in the first place was the start of the downfall.

Correct. And that wraps up the special subject round, with dv on 10 and party-pants yet to score.

I disagree Rudd was a dud.

party_pants said:

dv said:

The electorate did not like Gillard, and she did a terrible job of selling the ALP’s merits. None of that was down to Rudd. Replacing him in the first place was the start of the downfall.

There’s no way in hell Rudd would have held together a minority government for three years.

zacketly

Going to be an interesting read this period of Labor history when the various players write books all defending their positions.

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

Alright, there are some voices of dissent so I’ll consult our judges….

And they have confirmed that dv’s answer was completely correct. And I’m sure you’ll agree they can’t both be right. So party-pants will just have to try harder in the next round, coming up after this short break.

:P

Peak Warming Man said:

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

…..And that was an excerpt from this week’s episode of Monty Python’s Flying Circus, 8:30 Monday on BBC2.

Bubblecar said:

Alright, there are some voices of dissent so I’ll consult our judges….

And they have confirmed that dv’s answer was completely correct. And I’m sure you’ll agree they can’t both be right. So party-pants will just have to try harder in the next round, coming up after this short break.

:P

Fremantle won last night. Nothing else matters.

Peak Warming Man said:

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

You know perfectly well that that’s bollocks.

He had 3 year dummy spit and made the place look messy to your average pleb.

He won by default.

He hasn’t got a single policy that’s been thought through and the opposition is going to go in just as hard as he did whenever they get a chance.

Skunkworks said:

Going to be an interesting read this period of Labor history when the various players write books all defending their positions.

There will be lots of 20/20 vision in hindsight.

Peak Warming Man said:

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

Oh yeah, a real ideas man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXdcS_7CA1o

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

…..And that was an excerpt from this week’s episode of Monty Python’s Flying Circus, 8:30 Monday on BBC2.

I was just arguing in my spare time there and now I’m off for some decent entertainment.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXdcS_7CA1o

That’s still disturbing, that one. Looks like some kind of epilepsy or suchlike.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

Oh yeah, a real ideas man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXdcS_7CA1o

He needs to work on his DS.

Better angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ9y1c73-IM

If Big Ears and Noddy had a love child

looks like max headroom trying to reboot.

Unfortunately he abolished the minister for mental health so we’ll never know.

Ian said:

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

…..And that was an excerpt from this week’s episode of Monty Python’s Flying Circus, 8:30 Monday on BBC2.

I was just arguing in my spare time there and now I’m off for some decent entertainment.

enjoy your dressage riding Ian…

that is one strange video. creepy.

feel like slapping him and telling him to snap out of it.

dv said:

Better angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ9y1c73-IM

If Big Ears and Noddy had a love child

WOOOOW!!! Defensive arrogance. Formidable.

Peak Warming Man said:

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

Speaking of toilet humour…..

“Shit Happens”?

Our prime minister is Forrest Gump!!!!!!!!

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

Oh yeah, a real ideas man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXdcS_7CA1o

One of my favourite youtubes. I loves this :)

Let me be clear about this: I didn’t vote for him, but some people seem to think it was a good idea. Good luck, Australia.

kii said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

Oh yeah, a real ideas man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXdcS_7CA1o

that is incredible. He looks like he is a robot that has hit a protocol loop
One of my favourite youtubes. I loves this :)

Riff-in-Thyme said:

kii said:

dv said:

Oh yeah, a real ideas man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXdcS_7CA1o

that is incredible. He looks like he is a robot that has hit a protocol loop
One of my favourite youtubes. I loves this :)

the camera view that showed his face looked like it was doctored but that one just makes him seem………… idk wtf!!!!

Peak Warming Man said:

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

Who is this person with the same name as the Prime Minister, of whom you write?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Neither of them could hold a candle to Abbott, he destroyed them both, he destroyed them by speaking his truth quietly but with conviction, he unravelled their deceptive spin and laid it bare for all to see.

Who is this person with the same name as the Prime Minister, of whom you write?

Abbott and Rudd are two sides of the same coin. So BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT miss Brady!!!

Someone’s idea of the PUP candidate for Jagajaga

kii said:

Well fair enough.

I mean she may be pretty sexy, but obviously she doesn’t understand big business.

Fairfax has changed from Clive 36 ahead to 37 ahead.

Hmmmm….30,000.

https://newmatilda.com/2013/09/24/thirty-thousand-votes-and-abbotts-gone

https://newmatilda.com/2013/09/24/thirty-thousand-votes-and-abbotts-gone

——

Settle petal, it is three years until we have our say again (but not you).

In the meantime let him do what he does.

tauto said:

https://newmatilda.com/2013/09/24/thirty-thousand-votes-and-abbotts-gone

——

Settle petal, it is three years until we have our say again (but not you).

In the meantime let him do what he does.

Except Abbott has been threatening a double dissolution election next year if he doesn’t get what he wants.

tauto said:

https://newmatilda.com/2013/09/24/thirty-thousand-votes-and-abbotts-gone

——

Settle petal, it is three years until we have our say again (but not you).

In the meantime let him do what he does.

What? Don’t dismiss my concerns with ‘settle petal’ bullshit.

So…we should stop talking about what this idiot does with his ‘mandate’? Who knows, I might be back in Oz for the next election….so don’t count my vote out just now. If you are just going to sit back and ‘let him do what he does’ w/o some type of dissent…then you are part of the complacency that got Australia this dickhead.

Stealth said:

Except Abbott has been threatening a double dissolution election next year if he doesn’t get what he wants.

And this.

kii said:

tauto said:

https://newmatilda.com/2013/09/24/thirty-thousand-votes-and-abbotts-gone

——

Settle petal, it is three years until we have our say again (but not you).

In the meantime let him do what he does.

What? Don’t dismiss my concerns with ‘settle petal’ bullshit.

So…we should stop talking about what this idiot does with his ‘mandate’? Who knows, I might be back in Oz for the next election….so don’t count my vote out just now. If you are just going to sit back and ‘let him do what he does’ w/o some type of dissent…then you are part of the complacency that got Australia this dickhead.

—-

Well it is a democracy (except in the senate) so we have to put up with this dickhead for three years,

unless the polling shows Turnbull as more popular…wait, what?

tauto said:

In the meantime …

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

mollwollfumble said:

tauto said:

In the meantime …

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

DO IT!!! Quickly, before he brings in laws that prevent you from public gatherings…like Bjelke-Petersen in the 70s.

and don’t forget about the pregnant billionaires…

mollwollfumble said:

tauto said:

In the meantime …

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

—-

So there is no union for scientists.

Bloody scientists, all the knowledge in the world except for politics.

mollwollfumble said:

tauto said:

In the meantime …

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

Can’t I just shit in a paper bag and mail it to my local MP?

The union for all skeptic and non-skeptic sciences…

USNSS

The brotherhood of usness.

You could start a religion with that…

tauto said:

mollwollfumble said:

tauto said:

In the meantime …

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

—-

So there is no union for scientists.

Bloody scientists, all the knowledge in the world except for politics.

What about the ones that did the political science degree?

Stealth said:

tauto said:

mollwollfumble said:

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

—-

So there is no union for scientists.

Bloody scientists, all the knowledge in the world except for politics.

What about the ones that did the political science degree?

—

Ask molly about them

party_pants said:

Can’t I just shit in a paper bag and mail it to my local MP?

That’s a start….though it’s easier to use dog shit.*

*make sure you use gloves and double bag it

tauto said:

So there is no union for scientists.

Bloody scientists, all the knowledge in the world except for politics.

Closest thing is APESMA.

Or, AMWU, TSA division.

mollwollfumble said:

tauto said:

In the meantime …

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

Colour me shocked, but he’s doing exactly what he stated he was going to do. It’s not as if the Australian electorate had no idea that this was going to happen. It was two of the main planks for the LNP during the election campaign.

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

tauto said:

In the meantime …

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

Can’t I just shit in a paper bag and mail it to my local MP?

Depends on which side of the fence your local MP stands…

Stealth said:

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

Can’t I just shit in a paper bag and mail it to my local MP?

Depends on which side of the fence your local MP stands…

DFR.

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

tauto said:

In the meantime …

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

Colour me shocked, but he’s doing exactly what he stated he was going to do. It’s not as if the Australian electorate had no idea that this was going to happen. It was two of the main planks for the LNP during the election campaign.

And yet…you voted for him? Well, your local vote didn’t count IIRC, but if you voted for the LNP that would mean that you supported his ‘policies’?

Let’s give Tony a try.

He is reducing the the budget by keeping the internet speed to….

I haven’t told anyone how I voted, except for the bottom line on the senate.

My vote is neither here nor there. The LNP went to the election with these policies as front line, The Australian people voted for them. It’s called democracy. Sometimes the party that you didn’t vote for gets elected. I know that may seem terrible, but that’s the way it works.

sibeen said:

I haven’t told anyone how I voted, except for the bottom line on the senate.

My vote is neither here nor there. The LNP went to the election with these policies as front line, The Australian people voted for them. It’s called democracy. Sometimes the party that you didn’t vote for gets elected. I know that may seem terrible, but that’s the way it works.

Doesn’t stop us whinging about it.

I have to admit that so far Abbott and the Libs have been “what it said on the tin”

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

tauto said:

In the meantime …

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

Colour me shocked, but he’s doing exactly what he stated he was going to do. It’s not as if the Australian electorate had no idea that this was going to happen. It was two of the main planks for the LNP during the election campaign.

I must say I’m not at all impressed with the Fairfax papers (or the ABC for that matter).

They don’t say a dicky bird about climate change during the campaign period, and now the bloke who thinks it’s crap has got in they don’t stop going on about it.

Maybe the plan is to get Abbott in, then campaign to get him replaced with Turnbull.

Vote? No, I didn’t. Honest… I ran out of gas. I… I had a flat tire. I didn’t have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn’t come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN’T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

tauto said:

In the meantime …

… protest in front of parliament house. I mean it. Protest against the shutdown of the climate change thing. Protest against the sacking of the board of the National Broadband Network, and replacement of fibre optics by bloody copper.

Colour me shocked, but he’s doing exactly what he stated he was going to do. It’s not as if the Australian electorate had no idea that this was going to happen. It was two of the main planks for the LNP during the election campaign.

—-

Now tell me you think he is a leader of this country?

That he has the smarts?

Rupert and Gina are clinking glasses.

dv said:

I have to admit that so far Abbott and the Libs have been “what it said on the tin”

Oh, I don’t know, I don’t think they mentioned they’d stop talking about boat arrivals as soon as they were responsible for them.

Or that they’d try and stop people organising boycotts.

sibeen said:

I haven’t told anyone how I voted, except for the bottom line on the senate.

My vote is neither here nor there. The LNP went to the election with these policies as front line, The Australian people voted for them. It’s called democracy. Sometimes the party that you didn’t vote for gets elected. I know that may seem terrible, but that’s the way it works.

I would agree with that analysis, except I just saw a listing of the votes allocation is the senate, and now I think our system of democracy needs a slight rethink. And that has nothing to do with Abbott getting in…

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I have to admit that so far Abbott and the Libs have been “what it said on the tin”

Oh, I don’t know, I don’t think they mentioned they’d stop talking about boat arrivals as soon as they were responsible for them.

Or that they’d try and stop people organising boycotts.

Yeah but you know … I didn’t exactly fall of my chair.

It was more … yyyep. It’s begun.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I have to admit that so far Abbott and the Libs have been “what it said on the tin”

Oh, I don’t know, I don’t think they mentioned they’d stop talking about boat arrivals as soon as they were responsible for them.

Or that they’d try and stop people organising boycotts.

I fairly sure they mentioned during the election that it was going to be a secret process. It’s ridiculous, but they did state they’s what they were going to do.

On the boycott thing, no, that’s a new one and I suspect they are floating the idea and when they realise there will be too much push back they’ll let it sink. At least that’s what I hope they will do. Again, its ridiculous.

Poor BobKat … finally got together a push as a party and is completely gazumped by some batshit billionaire.

dv said:

Poor BobKat … finally got together a push as a party and is completely gazumped by some batshit billionaire.

How many senators are PUP going to get?

sibeen said:

dv said:

Poor BobKat … finally got together a push as a party and is completely gazumped by some batshit billionaire.

How many senators are PUP going to get?

they reckon now the PUP might get one in WA instead of the Sports Party.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/tony-abbotts-broken-indigenous-promise-and-news-corp-breaking-bad/

Yes, PUP may end with three senators

Interesting that the below-the-line voters got them over the mark in Tasmania, at the expense of the Sex party

kii said:

The election is over. Now they have a mandate for every stupid idea they’ve ever had. “Because the people voted for them”.

Wrong. The people voted Labor out.

dv said:

Yes, PUP may end with three senators

Interesting that the below-the-line voters got them over the mark in Tasmania, at the expense of the Sex party

And Libs (or do they still have one?)

The election is over. Now they have a mandate for every stupid idea they’ve ever had. “Because the people voted for them”.

Wrong. The people voted Labor out.
—————-
You can’t have it both ways just because you don’t like the result. Voting Labor out is the same thing as voting the Libs in with a mandate for their stupid (and not so stupid) policies.

Stealth said:

The election is over. Now they have a mandate for every stupid idea they’ve ever had. “Because the people voted for them”.

Wrong. The people voted Labor out.
—————-
You can’t have it both ways just because you don’t like the result. Voting Labor out is the same thing as voting the Libs in with a mandate for their stupid (and not so stupid) policies.

I don’t think you completely comprehend. The coalition is not simply the Libs.

roughbarked said:

Stealth said:

The election is over. Now they have a mandate for every stupid idea they’ve ever had. “Because the people voted for them”.

Wrong. The people voted Labor out.
—————-
You can’t have it both ways just because you don’t like the result. Voting Labor out is the same thing as voting the Libs in with a mandate for their stupid (and not so stupid) policies.

I don’t think you completely comprehend. The coalition is not simply the Libs.

roughbarked said:

Stealth said:

The election is over. Now they have a mandate for every stupid idea they’ve ever had. “Because the people voted for them”.

Wrong. The people voted Labor out.
—————-
You can’t have it both ways just because you don’t like the result. Voting Labor out is the same thing as voting the Libs in with a mandate for their stupid (and not so stupid) policies.

I don’t think you completely comprehend. The coalition is not simply the Libs.

No, but the Liberal Party alone have more seats (58) than Labor (55), and that’s without adding Kweenzland’s Liberal National Party, NT’s Country Liberals and the Nationals.

OCDC said:

roughbarked said:

Stealth said:

The election is over. Now they have a mandate for every stupid idea they’ve ever had. “Because the people voted for them”.

Wrong. The people voted Labor out.
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You can’t have it both ways just because you don’t like the result. Voting Labor out is the same thing as voting the Libs in with a mandate for their stupid (and not so stupid) policies.

I don’t think you completely comprehend. The coalition is not simply the Libs.

No, but the Liberal Party alone have more seats (58) than Labor (55), and that’s without adding Kweenzland’s Liberal National Party, NT’s Country Liberals and the Nationals.

OK. Then that’s a mandate. The people deserve what they get.

Like Captain Jack, I don’t believe in a mandate. There’s what a party can do, and what a party can’t do.

dv said:

Like Captain Jack, I don’t believe in a mandate. There’s what a party can do, and what a party can’t do.

Yes. However, the Liberals always trot out the mandate mantra whenever they are in.

Happily, they probably won’t even need to after Jun next year, depending on how Clive wants to play his hand.

Fuck.

The Coalition won the election.

dv said:

Fuck.

The Coalition won the election.

You may need to start taking something for PTSD.

dv said:

Fuck.

The Coalition won the election.

They stole the election…

Clive up by 42.

I thought the WA senate results were supposed to finalised yesterday

The AEC has declared Parkes. Yeah nah fair enough taking their time on that one, Nationals only got about 70% of the vote or some shit.

dv said:

The AEC has declared Parkes. Yeah nah fair enough taking their time on that one, Nationals only got about 70% of the vote or some shit.

Only 70%.. One to watch then – cliffhanger in historic Parkes!

Looks like big Clive is the man come July next year when it comes to passing legislation in the senate.

Very interesting.

19 shillings said:

Looks like big Clive is the man come July next year when it comes to passing legislation in the senate.

Very interesting.

Mmm .. either that or passing wind

Ian said:

19 shillings said:

Looks like big Clive is the man come July next year when it comes to passing legislation in the senate.

Very interesting.

Mmm .. either that or passing wind

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/clive-palmer-responds-to-questions-from-afr-journo-with-abusive-text/story-fnihslxi-1226725442284

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

19 shillings said:

Looks like big Clive is the man come July next year when it comes to passing legislation in the senate.

Very interesting.

Mmm .. either that or passing wind

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/clive-palmer-responds-to-questions-from-afr-journo-with-abusive-text/story-fnihslxi-1226725442284

Eggsackely..

“Your just hopeless are you a murder or just mentally deranged same relevance Wake up. What party are u a member of how did u vote how much do u pay on your loan will you divorce your. Wife or sell her if u get offered enough money how much do u get paid what will u do for more money wake up dint contact me again (sic),” Mr Palmer’s text said.

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One medium sized fart would have sufficed.

Speaking of radical nose surgery..

When will Rabbott get his done?

Ian said:

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

Mmm .. either that or passing wind

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/clive-palmer-responds-to-questions-from-afr-journo-with-abusive-text/story-fnihslxi-1226725442284

Eggsackely..

“Your just hopeless are you a murder or just mentally deranged same relevance Wake up. What party are u a member of how did u vote how much do u pay on your loan will you divorce your. Wife or sell her if u get offered enough money how much do u get paid what will u do for more money wake up dint contact me again (sic),” Mr Palmer’s text said.

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One medium sized fart would have sufficed.

Any aspiring MP should sit a spelling test first.

Ian said:

Speaking of radical nose surgery..

When will Rabbott get his done?

he prefers his nose out of joint

Riff-in-Thyme said:

Ian said:

Speaking of radical nose surgery..

When will Rabbott get his done?

he prefers his nose out of joint

Oh good. He’s set then.

>http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/clive-palmer-responds-to-questions-from-afr-journo-with-abusive-text/story-fnihslxi-1226725442284

OTOH that’s another Murdoch rag and Rupert really, really hates Clive, presumably because Clive has done even less to deserve his riches than Rupert. And that’s not an easy achievement.

Like Car, I would very much find myself Cliveside in a Murdoch versus Palmer stoush.

Clive’s a clown but at least he submitted himself to the judgment of the electorate, something Rupert would never dream of doing.

i warned everyone that i would have problems with my depression if the coalition got in. And now look what has happened.

sarahs mum said:

i warned everyone that i would have problems with my depression if the coalition got in. And now look what has happened.

I’m coping by completely ignoring them :) It’s a strategy that served me well through that decade or so of Little Johnny.

sarahs mum said:

i warned everyone that i would have problems with my depression if the coalition got in. And now look what has happened.

I’ve got my own to look at.

I wonder what the deal is with the AEC showing Wills as undetermined. It’s a very big win for the ALP.

I’ll check with Palmer, I’m sure he’s already on it.

dv said:

I wonder what the deal is with the AEC showing Wills as undetermined. It’s a very big win for the ALP.

AEC is government run?

I tell ya what.

Standing up in front of the electors and sruiking yourself ain’t as easy as it sounds.

And questions without notice that require immediate answers are hard, ok.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I wonder what the deal is with the AEC showing Wills as undetermined. It’s a very big win for the ALP.

AEC is government run?

No. It is a government funded public service that has no political ties.

Kingy said:

I tell ya what.

Standing up in front of the electors and sruiking yourself ain’t as easy as it sounds.

And questions without notice that require immediate answers are hard, ok.

It does become easier once you’re a dictator, Kingy :)

sibeen said:

Kingy said:

I tell ya what.

Standing up in front of the electors and sruiking yourself ain’t as easy as it sounds.

And questions without notice that require immediate answers are hard, ok.

It does become easier once you’re a dictator, Kingy :)

Take that man out the back, line him up against the wall and…

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…force him to listen to justin bieber on repeat until his ears bleed.

Only then will he understand the power of the Dork side!

Kingy said:

sibeen said:

Kingy said:

I tell ya what.

Standing up in front of the electors and sruiking yourself ain’t as easy as it sounds.

And questions without notice that require immediate answers are hard, ok.

It does become easier once you’re a dictator, Kingy :)

Take that man out the back, line him up against the wall and…

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…force him to listen to justin bieber on repeat until his ears bleed.

Only then will he understand the power of the Dork side!

You will be a kind and benevolent dictator, Kingy.

Mrrrr RRabbott’s policey No 1 ‘Stop the Boats’ a stunning sucess

Policey No 2 ‘Add some Floats’ fail..

Indonesian rescue authorities say 15 asylum seekers died when their boat sank off the south coast of west Java.

Not sure what the deal is with this but the AEC have stopped reporting the 2pp for Wills.

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionFirstPrefs-17496-234.htm

All I can think is that maybe the later counts pushed it near the border of being a non-classic, such that the final division would be between Green and ALP …

(Not exactly a crucial point, either way ALP will win easily.)

Still about 20 seats not declared

dv said:

Not sure what the deal is with this but the AEC have stopped reporting the 2pp for Wills.

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionFirstPrefs-17496-234.htm

All I can think is that maybe the later counts pushed it near the border of being a non-classic, such that the final division would be between Green and ALP …

(Not exactly a crucial point, either way ALP will win easily.)

So are we nearly there yet?

Will the Libs be able to have their evil way with the Senate?

What is the PUP position on introducing a liberal market-based pricing scheme to reduce GHG emissions?

Clive still on 42.

OCDC said:

Clive still on 42.

Please don’t let Clive be the answer to Life the Universe and Everything.

The Rev Dodgson said:

OCDC said:

Clive still on 42.

Please don’t let Clive be the answer to Life the Universe and Everything.

That is my fear too.

Glaxo(SmithKline) earns over 30 billion dollars on anti-ulcer drugs Zantac sales while the pair of most prestigious sci. journals Nature and Science kept dead silence about the discovery of a less profitable curative treatment. It caused an approximately 10-years-long delay in introduction of new treatment resulting in millions extra deaths during that period. This is a well known controversy (e.g. New Yorker, 20 Sept. 1993; Economist, March 5, 1994; Fortune, June 9, 1997). There was always little doubt that some sort of Glaxo conspiracy against H.Pylori discovery exists. Though its mechanism was never exposed. No attention has ever been paid to participation of Nature/Science editorial boards in this story.
I

I was watching one thing about the stomach ulcer thing where barry marshall put forward the idea that cancers of the alimentary canal could be caused by bacteria too. to my knowledge this hasn’t been explored.

Clive up by 13. Was 42 on Saturday.

Clive is a political animal from his youth.

from wiki:

Palmer joined the Queensland division of the National Party of Australia in 1974, having been influenced by the policies of Joh Bjelke-Petersen, Premier of Queensland at the time. From the early 1980s onwards, he was involved in state politics, serving as the National Party’s campaign director during the 1983 state election and as media spokesman during its 1986 election campaign, both of which were successful.

The following year, Palmer was a supporter of the “Joh for Canberra” campaign, which unsuccessfully attempted to get Bjelke-Petersen elected as Prime Minister of Australia at the 1987 federal election. He was elected to life membership of the party in 1992, which he retained after the state branches of the National Party and Liberal Party merged to form the Liberal National Party of Queensland

“Clive Palmer three votes ahead as Australian Electoral Commission recounts votes in Fairfax” (My emphasis.)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-30/clive-palmer-still-ahead-in-fairfax-recount/498989

Michael V said:

“Clive Palmer three votes ahead as Australian Electoral Commission recounts votes in Fairfax” (My emphasis.)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-30/clive-palmer-still-ahead-in-fairfax-recount/498989

That was Wookies votes. In between filming a new series of Animal Rescue, and setting up an “Iron” forge, he popped into to vote a few dozen times.

He’s a busy man.

Kingy said:

Michael V said:

“Clive Palmer three votes ahead as Australian Electoral Commission recounts votes in Fairfax” (My emphasis.)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-30/clive-palmer-still-ahead-in-fairfax-recount/498989

That was Wookies votes. In between filming a new series of Animal Rescue, and setting up an “Iron” forge, he popped into to vote a few dozen times.

He’s a busy man.

I am not sure if ‘shoving you hand up an emu’s arse’ is really counted as a rescue.

Stealth said:

Kingy said:

Michael V said:

“Clive Palmer three votes ahead as Australian Electoral Commission recounts votes in Fairfax” (My emphasis.)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-30/clive-palmer-still-ahead-in-fairfax-recount/498989

That was Wookies votes. In between filming a new series of Animal Rescue, and setting up an “Iron” forge, he popped into to vote a few dozen times.

He’s a busy man.

I am not sure if ‘shoving you hand up an emu’s arse’ is really counted as a rescue.

It worked for Daryl Somers. He made a career out of it.

Kingy said:

It worked for Daryl Somers. He made a career out of it.

Point of order, that was an ostrich.

Kingy said:

Stealth said:

Kingy said:

That was Wookies votes. In between filming a new series of Animal Rescue, and setting up an “Iron” forge, he popped into to vote a few dozen times.

He’s a busy man.

I am not sure if ‘shoving you hand up an emu’s arse’ is really counted as a rescue.

It worked for Daryl Somers. He made a career out of it.

Oswald Q Ostrich does not like being called an emu.

Kingy said:

Stealth said:

Kingy said:

That was Wookies votes. In between filming a new series of Animal Rescue, and setting up an “Iron” forge, he popped into to vote a few dozen times.

He’s a busy man.

I am not sure if ‘shoving you hand up an emu’s arse’ is really counted as a rescue.

It worked for Daryl Somers. He made a career out of it.

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er Ernie Carroll had his hand up the Emus arse.

Skunkworks said:

Kingy said:

It worked for Daryl Somers. He made a career out of it.

Point of order, that was an ostrich.

No it wasn’t, it was just Bruce Emu in make-up, trying to be all foreign and exotic.

They are refusing to publish today’s data. The information is supposed to be updated every 30 minutes.

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDW60801/IDW60801.95613.shtml

I think I will nip over and add a bit more water to the gauge, just to be sure.

How is the election campaign going Kingy, any poll results yet?

morrie said:

They are refusing to publish today’s data. The information is supposed to be updated every 30 minutes.

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDW60801/IDW60801.95613.shtml

I think I will nip over and add a bit more water to the gauge, just to be sure.

Too late. September was closed off at 9.00 am this morning.

Face it Morrie, SOMEONE didn’t want that record broken. I think you best speak to Wookie to find out who the SOMEONE is.

Who would want to be a politician and have your every statement subject to scrutiny?

19 shillings said:

Who would want to be a politician and have your every statement subject to scrutiny?

Stop asking difficult questions.

And, as for your previous question, it is a postal vote. The envelopes have not hit letterboxes yet, and they won’t be counted till the 19th.

I will be Kart racing in Bunbury on the 19th. Hopefully I’ll finish by 6pm and get back to Busso in time to find out how much I lost by.

Kingy said:

19 shillings said:

Who would want to be a politician and have your every statement subject to scrutiny?

Stop asking difficult questions.

And, as for your previous question, it is a postal vote. The envelopes have not hit letterboxes yet, and they won’t be counted till the 19th.

I will be Kart racing in Bunbury on the 19th. Hopefully I’ll finish by 6pm and get back to Busso in time to find out how much I lost by.

There is still time to buy your way to victory…

…but I am only accepting cash now, as a cheque wont have time to clear.

Stealth said:

Kingy said:

19 shillings said:

Who would want to be a politician and have your every statement subject to scrutiny?

Stop asking difficult questions.

And, as for your previous question, it is a postal vote. The envelopes have not hit letterboxes yet, and they won’t be counted till the 19th.

I will be Kart racing in Bunbury on the 19th. Hopefully I’ll finish by 6pm and get back to Busso in time to find out how much I lost by.

There is still time to buy your way to victory…

…but I am only accepting cash now, as a cheque wont have time to clear.

The rest of that fence hasn’t fallen over…

…yet.

Albo and Shorty have just danced the worst tango ever.

19 shillings said:

Albo and Shorty have just danced the worst tango ever.

moving forward and working familys got a workout once even when answering a question if they would pay less attention to focus groups. And Shorten must be exhausted erecting all those strawmen.

Tony has just made the most robotic primersterial speech ever

Skunkworks said:

19 shillings said:

Albo and Shorty have just danced the worst tango ever.

moving forward and working familys got a workout once even when answering a question if they would pay less attention to focus groups. And Shorten must be exhausted erecting all those strawmen.

What about working singles that are just trying to tread water and stay afloat?

19 shillings said:

Tony has just made the most robotic primersterial speech ever

What did he declare to be the compatibility score between Julie Bishop and President Yudhoyono.?

party_pants said:

What about working singles that are just trying to tread water and stay afloat?

I thought taking a bat to the single parents entitlement a silly and odd move and not congruent for a Labor party. They really need to figure out who they are speaking for which is hard. Union membership is down and many of the tradies now have HSVs and McMansions and are aspirational, doctors wives and Balmain basket weavers are fickle and more inclined to green. That leaves the poor and powerless and the put upon and they kicked a lot of them in the teeth with that master stroke.

19 shillings said:

Tony has just made the most robotic primersterial speech ever

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oh.

priministerial

party_pants said:

19 shillings said:

Tony has just made the most robotic primersterial speech ever

What did he declare to be the compatibility score between Julie Bishop and President Yudhoyono.?

nice

party_pants said:

19 shillings said:

Tony has just made the most robotic primersterial speech ever

What did he declare to be the compatibility score between Julie Bishop and President Yudhoyono.?

8 Rubber boats out of ten.

Kingy said:

party_pants said:

19 shillings said:

Tony has just made the most robotic primersterial speech ever

What did he declare to be the compatibility score between Julie Bishop and President Yudhoyono.?

8 Rubber boats out of ten.

Landed in Australia or returned to Indonesia?

I suspect that Rupert being left with a tool will use it quickly.

After all we still have Malcolm..

Peak Warming Man said:

The Electoral Commission has ordered a recount in the Queensland seat of Fairfax after counting showed billionaire Clive Palmer won by seven votes.

The initial count showed Mr Palmer received 36 more votes than his Liberal-National Party opponent Ted O’Brien.

A recount of the distribution of preferences found Mr Palmer won by seven votes.

A new recount will begin on Thursday.
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>>>But the prime minister on Tuesday also twice refused to say whether the turn-back plan would actually be implemented, while also appearing to step back from two other controversial elements of his asylum-seeker policy.

Asked directly whether he would turn boats back, Mr Abbott said: “Again, my object here is to stop the boats and in order to ensure the boats are stopped, I want to have the best possible relationship with Indonesia.

“I’m just not going to engage in the kind of press banter that is not going to be conducive to what is in our overall national interests, Australia’s and Indonesia’s, to get these boats stopped.”

Two other controversial measures in the coalition’s border protection regime – buying boats from Indonesian fishermen to prevent them being used by people smugglers and bounty payments to villagers who inform on smuggling operations – now appear unlikely to be implemented.<<<
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Nice one Tony, standby and let a Liberal candidate get humiliated for not remembering the six points of plan, and then turn it into a three point plan…

Some amazing, shameless gerrymanders
http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2010/11/11/the-top-ten-most-gerrymandered-congressional-districts-in-the-united-states/

It is expected that the WA Senate results will be declared tomorrow. Looks like the Greens and the ALP will lose seats to Palmer and the Sports party. All through preference deals. Only 4% of people voted below the line.

party_pants said:

Only 4% of people voted below the line.

Do you blame them?

party_pants said:

It is expected that the WA Senate results will be declared tomorrow. Looks like the Greens and the ALP will lose seats to Palmer and the Sports party. All through preference deals. Only 4% of people voted below the line.

I’m not sure those voting below the line can make that much difference.

I did, and yet the party I put in the mid 20s, motorheads, will seem to get up. The gordian knot that preference deals present gives all but the most fanatic political swot bugger all idea.

I can only put those I like at the top, and those I despise at the bottom. The rest end up squashed together in the middle, and is a bit of a crap shoot.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Only 4% of people voted below the line.

Do you blame them?

Yes. Lazy and stupid bastards.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Only 4% of people voted below the line.

Do you blame them?

Yes. Lazy and stupid bastards.

They are given a choice.. 1 number or 110.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

It is expected that the WA Senate results will be declared tomorrow. Looks like the Greens and the ALP will lose seats to Palmer and the Sports party. All through preference deals. Only 4% of people voted below the line.

I’m not sure those voting below the line can make that much difference.

I did, and yet the party I put in the mid 20s, motorheads, will seem to get up. The gordian knot that preference deals present gives all but the most fanatic political swot bugger all idea.

I can only put those I like at the top, and those I despise at the bottom. The rest end up squashed together in the middle, and is a bit of a crap shoot.

Bloody oath it makes a difference. If a party that gets 5% of the primary Senate vote can the done out of a place by a party that gets 0.25% through gaming the above the line preference votes then something stinks. Fair enough if say The Greens and the nationals both got around 5% of the vote but were just short of a quota for the last Senate seat – that should be decided by preferences, but not a 5% versus a 0.25% contest.

they are not the preferences of the voters decided on policy or ideological grounds, they are just cynically gaming the system. Barge-arse Palmer can whine about the HoR voting all he likes, but he has swindled a Senate seat in WA.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

It is expected that the WA Senate results will be declared tomorrow. Looks like the Greens and the ALP will lose seats to Palmer and the Sports party. All through preference deals. Only 4% of people voted below the line.

I’m not sure those voting below the line can make that much difference.

I did, and yet the party I put in the mid 20s, motorheads, will seem to get up. The gordian knot that preference deals present gives all but the most fanatic political swot bugger all idea.

I can only put those I like at the top, and those I despise at the bottom. The rest end up squashed together in the middle, and is a bit of a crap shoot.

Bloody oath it makes a difference. If a party that gets 5% of the primary Senate vote can the done out of a place by a party that gets 0.25% through gaming the above the line preference votes then something stinks. Fair enough if say The Greens and the nationals both got around 5% of the vote but were just short of a quota for the last Senate seat – that should be decided by preferences, but not a 5% versus a 0.25% contest.

they are not the preferences of the voters decided on policy or ideological grounds, they are just cynically gaming the system. Barge-arse Palmer can whine about the HoR voting all he likes, but he has swindled a Senate seat in WA.

The labor party should have set up fifty new parties for the senate?

>>They are given a choice.. 1 number or 110.<<

Clearly people did not understand how voting above the line works. Whether understanding would change what they did is another matter. I voted below the line because nobody tells me where my preferences go. And voting below the line is the only way to put them where I want them. It’s not really that hard to count to 97.

It could have been worse. We could have got the shooters party.

morrie said:

It could have been worse. We could have got the shooters party.

They aren’t without influence anyway.

buffy said:

>>They are given a choice.. 1 number or 110.<<

Clearly people did not understand how voting above the line works. Whether understanding would change what they did is another matter. I voted below the line because nobody tells me where my preferences go. And voting below the line is the only way to put them where I want them. It’s not really that hard to count to 97.

I don’t vote below the line, I’m not going to waste time doing that, when the last 3 elections held in this electorate have been over before the actual election (enough postal etc for no one else to win).

I don’t vote below the line, I’m not going to waste time doing that, when the last 3 elections held in this electorate have been over before the actual election (enough postal etc for no one else to win).
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Below the line voting pertains to the Senate, not to electorate voting.

dv said:

I don’t vote below the line, I’m not going to waste time doing that, when the last 3 elections held in this electorate have been over before the actual election (enough postal etc for no one else to win).
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Below the line voting pertains to the Senate, not to electorate voting.

meh.

Ah, so Mr Rabbit is making friends in Indonesia?

Great.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2013/09/22/the-emergency-that-wasnt-our-weekend-with-missingbudget/

The radio is reporting that the last two Senate seats in WA have gone to Palmer United Party and ALP. The ALP retains their second seat, the PUP gain at the expense of The Greens.

The Sports Party seems to have missed out in the end after being the early surprise candidate.

>The Sports Party seems to have missed out in the end after being the early surprise candidate.

Bubblecar said:

>The Sports Party seems to have missed out in the end after being the early surprise candidate.

Not sure if I prefer the Palmer party instead :(

Hmm, might be something wrong with that cat pitcher. Seems to be an IE security certificate warning associated with it.

The AEC have had to hold off declaring the WA Senate after The Greens and The Australian Sports party requested a recount.

Seems there was a difference of 14 votes between two of the minor parties, the Australian Cretins and the Shitters & Flushers which affected who was eliminated first, and set up a whole cascade of preferences going against The Greens, so that even with twice the number of primary votes than the PUP they have just missed out.

Antony Green reckons there were only 14 votes in it in the WA Senate election, electing PUP + ALP versus GREEN and Dropulike it’s hot.

Has Krudd finished his concession speech yet?

Kingy said:

Has Krudd finished his concession speech yet?

Who?

Kingy said:

Has Krudd finished his concession speech yet?

snort

dv said:

Antony Green reckons there were only 14 votes in it in the WA Senate election, electing PUP + ALP versus GREEN and Dropulike it’s hot.

——

I wonder what Clive will want of Tony, the supertax is gone, so what next?

19 shillings said:

dv said:

Antony Green reckons there were only 14 votes in it in the WA Senate election, electing PUP + ALP versus GREEN and Dropulike it’s hot.

——

I wonder what Clive will want of Tony, the supertax is gone, so what next?

He wants the carbon price scrapped, but not only that he wants all money paid so far refunded.

19 shillings said:

I wonder what Clive will want of Tony, the supertax is gone, so what next?

Government subsidised dinosaurs for his park, and maybe an occasional foot massage.

party_pants said:

19 shillings said:

dv said:

Antony Green reckons there were only 14 votes in it in the WA Senate election, electing PUP + ALP versus GREEN and Dropulike it’s hot.

——

I wonder what Clive will want of Tony, the supertax is gone, so what next?

He wants the carbon price scrapped, but not only that he wants all money paid so far refunded.

Does he want all subsidys paid out returned too?

Bubblecar said:

19 shillings said:

I wonder what Clive will want of Tony, the supertax is gone, so what next?

Government subsidised dinosaurs for his park, and maybe an occasional foot massage.

As long as there’s no toe sucking involved, I couldn’t stand the headlines.

Stealth said:

party_pants said:

19 shillings said:

——

I wonder what Clive will want of Tony, the supertax is gone, so what next?

He wants the carbon price scrapped, but not only that he wants all money paid so far refunded.

Does he want all subsidys paid out returned too?

Probab;y. He is a barge-arsed QLD’er nutter.

party_pants said:

19 shillings said:

dv said:

Antony Green reckons there were only 14 votes in it in the WA Senate election, electing PUP + ALP versus GREEN and Dropulike it’s hot.

——

I wonder what Clive will want of Tony, the supertax is gone, so what next?

He wants the carbon price scrapped, but not only that he wants all money paid so far refunded.

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That was his promise, will be interesting to see how it plays out.

With 3 senate seats, Clive has arrived in Canberra in a big way.

19 shillings said:

That was his promise, will be interesting to see how it plays out.

With 3 senate seats, Clive has arrived in Canberra in a big way.

I was just hoping for a Senate that would block the repeal of the carbon price. Now it seems likely to get through the new Senate.

party_pants said:

Probab;y. He is a barge-arsed QLD’er nutter.

There’s something in the water in QLD. I lived there for nearly a year and I started to get acne and my speech slowed down. Let’s not mentioned the being trained to walk on the left :/

party_pants said:

Stealth said:

party_pants said:

He wants the carbon price scrapped, but not only that he wants all money paid so far refunded.

Does he want all subsidys paid out returned too?

Probab;y. He is a barge-arsed QLD’er nutter.

——

He is as much of a nutter as Joh, pretend to be a nutter for the media..

In other news, I voted for myself today.

I can’t say that I have ever done that before.

Kingy said:

In other news, I voted for myself today.

I can’t say that I have ever done that before.

—-

What were your policies?

19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

In other news, I voted for myself today.

I can’t say that I have ever done that before.

—-

What were your policies?

Stop the boats!

19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

In other news, I voted for myself today.

I can’t say that I have ever done that before.

—-

What were your policies?

I dunno. I just voted for him coz he’s a firey.

Kingy said:

19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

In other news, I voted for myself today.

I can’t say that I have ever done that before.

—-

What were your policies?

I dunno. I just voted for him coz he’s a firey.

—-

Good luck.

Kingy said:

19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

In other news, I voted for myself today.

I can’t say that I have ever done that before.

—-

What were your policies?

I dunno. I just voted for him coz he’s a firey.

I didn’t vote for you.

Kingy, did your voting papers come in the post like mine are “supposed” to. Or did you go and get them personally?

Stealth said:

Kingy said:

19 shillings said:

—-

What were your policies?

I dunno. I just voted for him coz he’s a firey.

I didn’t vote for you.

I have been told that your house is a fire hazard. The authorities will be informed.

Stealth said:

Kingy, did your voting papers come in the post like mine are “supposed” to. Or did you go and get them personally?

Got them today. You should get yours by tomorrow.

I’m not going to vote in my local council elections.

party_pants said:

I’m not going to vote in my local council elections.

Why’s that?

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

I’m not going to vote in my local council elections.

Why’s that?

Two of the candidates are repeat offenders – they ran in my electorate for the state election, and in the Federal election. I didn’t vote them then, I won’t now, because they are both crappy minor-party types. The other two candidates are the current member (who i;‘ve never heard of) and some other bloke who’s a chiro,

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

I’m not going to vote in my local council elections.

Why’s that?

Two of the candidates are repeat offenders – they ran in my electorate for the state election, and in the Federal election. I didn’t vote them then, I won’t now, because they are both crappy minor-party types. The other two candidates are the current member (who i;‘ve never heard of) and some other bloke who’s a chiro,

Couldn’t you vote for the ones you have never heard of? At least then it is a vote against the criminal scum of the earth… and against the repeat offenders as well.

Stealth said:

Couldn’t you vote for the ones you have never heard of? At least then it is a vote against the criminal scum of the earth… and against the repeat offenders as well.

That requires effort.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

I’m not going to vote in my local council elections.

Why’s that?

Two of the candidates are repeat offenders – they ran in my electorate for the state election, and in the Federal election. I didn’t vote them then, I won’t now, because they are both crappy minor-party types. The other two candidates are the current member (who i;‘ve never heard of) and some other bloke who’s a chiro,

I have toyed with the idea of running for State Govt. There is an election in about two years, and the local member appears to be retiring. For a while I thought I might just check out my chances, and on Sunday I was at a family function and discovered who would most likely be my biggest competition.

My brother :/

party_pants said:

Stealth said:

Couldn’t you vote for the ones you have never heard of? At least then it is a vote against the criminal scum of the earth… and against the repeat offenders as well.

That requires effort.

So you’d rather pay the fine?

Why not simply invalidate the vote?

Kingy said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Why’s that?

Two of the candidates are repeat offenders – they ran in my electorate for the state election, and in the Federal election. I didn’t vote them then, I won’t now, because they are both crappy minor-party types. The other two candidates are the current member (who i;‘ve never heard of) and some other bloke who’s a chiro,

I have toyed with the idea of running for State Govt. There is an election in about two years, and the local member appears to be retiring. For a while I thought I might just check out my chances, and on Sunday I was at a family function and discovered who would most likely be my biggest competition.

My brother :/

Now there is a preferences deal waiting to explode.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Stealth said:

Couldn’t you vote for the ones you have never heard of? At least then it is a vote against the criminal scum of the earth… and against the repeat offenders as well.

That requires effort.

So you’d rather pay the fine?

Why not simply invalidate the vote?

What fine. It is local council elections which are not compulsory in this state.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Stealth said:

Couldn’t you vote for the ones you have never heard of? At least then it is a vote against the criminal scum of the earth… and against the repeat offenders as well.

That requires effort.

So you’d rather pay the fine?

Why not simply invalidate the vote?

Local elections are voluntary.

Stealth said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

That requires effort.

So you’d rather pay the fine?

Why not simply invalidate the vote?

What fine. It is local council elections which are not compulsory in this state.

Fair enough then. They are compulsory in NSW.

I worked out a plan once to be elected as an independent. Spreadsheeted it and everything. Don’t need to work so I could doorknock every day till 12 till year 2.5 to get my head known. Could tuck away some money each fortnight for an advertising and pamphlet blitz at week plus 3 Had all my policies worked out. It was doable.

Then I thought, naaaa I am too bone idle and why work to get myself into another job when I have just retired?

Kingy said:

I have toyed with the idea of running for State Govt. There is an election in about two years, and the local member appears to be retiring.

What would you hope to achieve in parliament?

Skunkworks said:

I worked out a plan once to be elected as an independent. Spreadsheeted it and everything. Don’t need to work so I could doorknock every day till 12 till year 2.5 to get my head known. Could tuck away some money each fortnight for an advertising and pamphlet blitz at week plus 3 Had all my policies worked out. It was doable.

Then I thought, naaaa I am too bone idle and why work to get myself into another job when I have just retired?

I have noticed that my opposition have nothing better to do each day than door knock, send out pamphlets, and be at all the yuppie wankfests, while I am out building this town or protecting it.

Meh, you get who you vote for.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Kingy said:

I have toyed with the idea of running for State Govt. There is an election in about two years, and the local member appears to be retiring.

What would you hope to achieve in parliament?

A budget that is printed with black ink.

Kingy said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Why’s that?

Two of the candidates are repeat offenders – they ran in my electorate for the state election, and in the Federal election. I didn’t vote them then, I won’t now, because they are both crappy minor-party types. The other two candidates are the current member (who i;‘ve never heard of) and some other bloke who’s a chiro,

I have toyed with the idea of running for State Govt. There is an election in about two years, and the local member appears to be retiring. For a while I thought I might just check out my chances, and on Sunday I was at a family function and discovered who would most likely be my biggest competition.

My brother :/

the kennedys were pretty good together

Arts said:

Kingy said:

party_pants said:

Two of the candidates are repeat offenders – they ran in my electorate for the state election, and in the Federal election. I didn’t vote them then, I won’t now, because they are both crappy minor-party types. The other two candidates are the current member (who i;‘ve never heard of) and some other bloke who’s a chiro,

I have toyed with the idea of running for State Govt. There is an election in about two years, and the local member appears to be retiring. For a while I thought I might just check out my chances, and on Sunday I was at a family function and discovered who would most likely be my biggest competition.

My brother :/

the kennedys were pretty good together

That didn’t end well…

Kingy said:

Arts said:

Kingy said:

I have toyed with the idea of running for State Govt. There is an election in about two years, and the local member appears to be retiring. For a while I thought I might just check out my chances, and on Sunday I was at a family function and discovered who would most likely be my biggest competition.

My brother :/

the kennedys were pretty good together

That didn’t end well…

sure, but it wasn’t at each other’s hand

Arts said:

Kingy said:

Arts said:

the kennedys were pretty good together

That didn’t end well…

sure, but it wasn’t at each other’s hand

If I get voted in at this local election, I will have my work cut out having a day job, running the fire brigade and fixing the roads and rubbish etc.

If I don’t get in, I may well have a look at State Govt. My brother has several options open to him. I’ll ask him to consider a different electorate.

best of luck with it Kingy. If you are passionate about change for the better of community, it’s a good way to make it happen

Arts said:

best of luck with it Kingy. If you are passionate about change for the better of community, it’s a good way to make it happen

Yep. One option is to make things happen. The other option is to scream abuse at the screen that is telling me what happened in the past. Only one of these options is actually useful.

Thanks for your support.

party_pants said:

Two of the candidates are repeat offenders – they ran in my electorate for the state election, and in the Federal election. I didn’t vote them then, I won’t now, because they are both crappy minor-party types. The other two candidates are the current member (who i;‘ve never heard of) and some other bloke who’s a chiro,

What’s the matter with minor parties (I always vote 1 Sex) and chiropractors (as long as theyre not into mumbo jumbo and stick to straightening out bent spines.. and have thoroughly examined possible bad outcomes from the type of therapy that they offer)?

One question for Kingy.. Are all of your heavy earth working, clearing, explosioning operations carbon neutral?

Ian said:

One question for Kingy.. Are all of your heavy earth working, clearing, explosioning operations carbon neutral?

In my day job? No. I don’t get much say in that.

In my 24/7 job? Yes. Stopping carbonaceous materials from carbonising probably cancels out what I do for a living.

One of the “platforms” that I am running on is to try to make our city carbon neutral. I have several easy methods to reduce the carbon footprint, and a few that would hopefully cancel out some of it.

Ian said:

One question for Kingy.. Are all of your heavy earth working, clearing, explosioning operations carbon neutral?

Doesn’t matter. Now we have a Liberal Federal and State government, Global Warming has been repealed.

Stealth said:

Ian said:

One question for Kingy.. Are all of your heavy earth working, clearing, explosioning operations carbon neutral?

Doesn’t matter. Now we have a Liberal Federal and State government, Global Warming has been repealed.

That sounds more like the East coast of the US, where sea level rise has been declared illegal.

Kingy said:

Ian said:

One question for Kingy.. Are all of your heavy earth working, clearing, explosioning operations carbon neutral?

In my day job? No. I don’t get much say in that.

In my 24/7 job? Yes. Stopping carbonaceous materials from carbonising probably cancels out what I do for a living.

One of the “platforms” that I am running on is to try to make our city carbon neutral. I have several easy methods to reduce the carbon footprint, and a few that would hopefully cancel out some of it.

Sounds like a plan.

I’d vote for you but unless you are going to go national I don’t think that that is possible.

>>Doesn’t matter. Now we have a Liberal Federal and State government, Global Warming has been repealed.<<

Not repealed. We are just going to only do reports once a decade and answer no questions.

So it looks like WA Senate might go for a partial recount.

Certainly been an interesting election.

Although Wills is a solid lock for ALP, at present the AEC shows “no leading candidate”.

I think they might be uncertain about whether it is a non-classic.

O’CALLAGHAN, Dean Independent 2.25%
READ, Tim The Greens 22.23%
TRAJSTMAN, Adrian Sex Party 2.61%
WINDISCH, Margarita Socialist Alliance 1.13%
GIGLIA, Concetta Family First Party 1.42%
MURRAY-DUFOULON, Anne Marie Palmer United Party 2.38%
HEGDE, Shilpa Liberal 22.84%
THOMSON, Kelvin Australian Labor Party 45.14%

I am assuming O’Callaghan, Sex Party, Socialist prefs will flow strongly to Green, and FFP, PUP strongly to Liberal.

If they all went that way:
This would get Greens to 28.22%, Libs 26.64%, so they would be eliminated first.

This might interest you DV:

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/double-trouble-in-double-dissolution-20131004-2uzyv.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

This might interest you DV:

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/double-trouble-in-double-dissolution-20131004-2uzyv.html

Yes indeed.

The wise heads seem to think that it is unlikely that the Coalition will have time to call a DD. They would need to have three separate bills go through various multiple readings in each house, or some bullshit, meaning that it would probably be April or May before the triggers were all in place, and if it gets to April or May, the GG might well just tell them to hang on another couple of months until the change of Senate.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

This might interest you DV:

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/double-trouble-in-double-dissolution-20131004-2uzyv.html

Yes indeed.

The wise heads seem to think that it is unlikely that the Coalition will have time to call a DD. They would need to have three separate bills go through various multiple readings in each house, or some bullshit, meaning that it would probably be April or May before the triggers were all in place, and if it gets to April or May, the GG might well just tell them to hang on another couple of months until the change of Senate.

I was reading yesterday about a petition in the US for Australia to lend them our GG so that She can sack Congress and call fresh elections.

dv said:

Although Wills is a solid lock for ALP, at present the AEC shows “no leading candidate”.

I think they might be uncertain about whether it is a non-classic.

O’CALLAGHAN, Dean Independent 2.25%
READ, Tim The Greens 22.23%
TRAJSTMAN, Adrian Sex Party 2.61%
WINDISCH, Margarita Socialist Alliance 1.13%
GIGLIA, Concetta Family First Party 1.42%
MURRAY-DUFOULON, Anne Marie Palmer United Party 2.38%
HEGDE, Shilpa Liberal 22.84%
THOMSON, Kelvin Australian Labor Party 45.14%

I am assuming O’Callaghan, Sex Party, Socialist prefs will flow strongly to Green, and FFP, PUP strongly to Liberal.

If they all went that way:
This would get Greens to 28.22%, Libs 26.64%, so they would be eliminated first.

And so it proved. Wills has been included as a non-classic division between the ALP and the Greens. Quite a safe ALP win in the end, 65.20 % to 34.80 %.

There were 11 non-classic divisions in this election which I believe is a record.

For those of you playing the home version, here are the 11 non-classics.

ALP vs Green
Wills (ALP)
Batman (ALP)
Melbourne (Green)

Liberals vs Nationals
Mallee (Liberals)
O’Connor (Nationals)
Durack (Liberals)

PUP vs LNP
Fairfax (PUP, probably)

Ind vs ALP
Denison (Ind)

Ind vs Nationals
New England (Nationals)

Ind vs Liberals
Indi (Ind)

KAP v LNP
Kennedy (KAP)

dv said:

For those of you playing the home version, here are the 11 non-classics.

ALP vs Green
Wills (ALP)
Batman (ALP)
Melbourne (Green)

Liberals vs Nationals
Mallee (Nationals)
O’Connor (Liberals)
Durack (Liberals)

PUP vs LNP
Fairfax (PUP, probably)

Ind vs ALP
Denison (Ind)

Ind vs Nationals
New England (Nationals)

Ind vs Liberals
Indi (Ind)

KAP v LNP
Kennedy (KAP)

correction

I notice the ALP candidate in Parkes was going under the “Country Labor” banner.

Is that a thing?

dv said:

I notice the ALP candidate in Parkes was going under the “Country Labor” banner.

Is that a thing?

It was probably a smart thing to try and disassociate yourself from the ALP in the last election.

Probably didn’t matter much, but Parkes was won by the Nationals to the tune of 72.35%…

Parliament will never get called at this rate.

THE Palmer United Party’s third senate Spot may be in doubt with the Australian Electoral Commission ordering a recount in WA.

And Labor could end up with one less senator, depending on the outcome.

Billionaire Clive Palmer’s candidate Zenya “Dio” Wang was awarded the state’s fifth Senate spot earlier this month and Labor Senator Louse Pratt secured the sixth, with current Greens Senator Scott Ludlam missing out.

The decision for a recount came after appeals from Senator Ludlam and unsuccessful Australian Sports Party candidate Wayne Dropulich.

The appeals were made after an initial decision not to allow a recount.

Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn said he had considered the appeals and ordered a recount of the 1.25 million ballots marked above-the-line – 96 per cent of all votes cast – and a second check of informal votes.

He said a close race was not a basis for a recount.

But factors, including the small margins involved in determining senators elect, had led him to the decision, he said.

“I have concluded that the recount will be in the best interest of all candidates who contested the 2013 WA Senate election, and in the overall interest of the WA electorate’s confidence in the outcome,” Mr Killesteyn said.

Senator Ludlam said: “With such a marginal result, and a number of anomalies in some batches of the vote, this was the only sensible decision.”

But he said he was concerned below-the-line votes would not be recounted.

“The Australian Greens will get a team of scrutineers together to oversee the re-count and invite other parties to do likewise,” he said.

The announcement came after Mr Palmer moved to increase his power in the Senate with an alliance with the Motoring Enthusiast Party.

The three Palmer United Party (PUP) senators-elect, including Mr Wang, have signed a memorandum of understanding with Motoring Enthusiast Party senator-elect Ricky Muir.

It states the new bloc will work and vote together.

But Mr Palmer, who is still waiting on a recount on the Queensland lower house seat of Fairfax that he is contesting, denied he would be calling the shots when the new Senate came into play on July 1.

He said his senators would simply follow party policy.

Mr Muir said he had wanted to “tee up the best deal for motoring enthusiasts” and joining with PUP senators would mean access to extra resources so he could properly consider legislation.

“We’re going to have bills come to us and we’re going to need the resources go through them,” he said.

Mr Palmer said the two parties shared common policies.

“I think we need to look at what the Greens had and I think it’s not a role of how many senators you have, it’s what the function, the job you’ve got to do,” he said.

“History and the Australian people have placed these four senators in a position where they have to make critical decisions at an important time and they don’t want to make them in an uninformed manner or in an irresponsible matter.

“So if we look at what sort of resources the Greens had in the last parliament to do that job are the same sort of resources that they’ll have.”

Prime Minister Tony Abbott last week conceded it would be a challenge to wrangle the new mixed make-up of the Senate, but not impossible.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/palmer-united-party-seat-in-doubt-as-aec-orders-senate-recount-for-wa/story-fni0xqrc-1226736793086

Skunkworks said:

Parliament will never get called at this rate.

The new Senate won’t come into effect till 1 July 2014, so there’s plenty of time.

It seems a lose-lose scenario either way the Senate count goes in WA.

One way we get ALP and Palmer’s Untied Party, the other way we get The Greens and Sports Party.

I have no confidence in either the Palmer mob or the sports mob.

>I have no confidence in either the Palmer mob or the sports mob.

Don’t just tell us, tell them.

Bubblecar said:

>I have no confidence in either the Palmer mob or the sports mob.

Don’t just tell us, tell them.

Letter to the Editor time!

Bubblecar said:

>I have no confidence in either the Palmer mob or the sports mob.

Don’t just tell us, tell them.

I did, I filled out the Senate paper below the line and put both of them well below half way.

party_pants said:

It seems a lose-lose scenario either way the Senate count goes in WA.

One way we get ALP and Palmer’s Untied Party, the other way we get The Greens and Sports Party.

I have no confidence in either the Palmer mob or the sports mob.

either way the PUP and (some of) the micros are likely vote as a block…

diddly-squat said:

either way the PUP and (some of) the micros are likely vote as a block…

Yeah, I heard today they have formed a voting bloc with the Bogans Party.

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

either way the PUP and (some of) the micros are likely vote as a block…

Yeah, I heard today they have formed a voting bloc with the Bogans Party.

it’s the best way for them to have any effect at all – force the major parties to address them as a group rather than as individual nut jobs

Clive Palmer is refusing to release the details of the agreement he signed with Australian Motoring Enthusiast senator-elect Ricky Muir to form a powerful voting bloc in the Senate.

Mr Palmer yesterday revealed he had struck a deal with the senator-elect from Victoria, which looks set to give him a stranglehold on power in the Upper House from next July.

The Greens and independent senator Nick Xenophon want Mr Palmer to make the deal between himself and Mr Muir public, saying voters deserve to know what the parties have agreed to. Mr Palmer has rejected the calls.

“Why should we? This is an arrangement between two people, two parties, two organisations, and it’s got a provision that the terms remain confidential,” he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-11/palmer-refuses-release-muir-agreement-details/5016340

so is this the case that he does not have to reveal what has been agreed to

and what of the vic branch of the petrol head party, can Mr Muir just give them the flick

• and what of the vic branch of the petrol head party, can Mr Muir just give them the flick

Didn’t the whole branch get the flick from the main “organisation”?

furious said:

• and what of the vic branch of the petrol head party, can Mr Muir just give them the flick

Didn’t the whole branch get the flick from the main “organisation”?

oh, I see, I wasnt aware of the other organisation

does any one know why the vic branch got the flick?

• does any one know why the vic branch got the flick?

Motoring Enthusiast Party goes after senator-elect

“THE jilted Victorian arm of the Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party has hired a private investigator to dig up senator-elect Ricky Muir’s past.”

Also, in answer to your question…

“the AMEP’s central executive sacked the leadership of the Victorian branch amid a feud over an unauthorised state-based AMEP Facebook page and their attempts to facilitate a media interview with Mr Muir.”

furious said:

• does any one know why the vic branch got the flick?

Motoring Enthusiast Party goes after senator-elect

“THE jilted Victorian arm of the Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party has hired a private investigator to dig up senator-elect Ricky Muir’s past.”

hahaha, a bit late now. You are supposed to vet them before you make them your candidate. And now they run the risk of being a party that appoints docket heads or whatever as senators. Idiots.

Skunkworks said:

furious said:

• does any one know why the vic branch got the flick?

Motoring Enthusiast Party goes after senator-elect

“THE jilted Victorian arm of the Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party has hired a private investigator to dig up senator-elect Ricky Muir’s past.”

hahaha, a bit late now. You are supposed to vet them before you make them your candidate. And now they run the risk of being a party that appoints docket heads or whatever as senators. Idiots.

thats petrol heads for you

if doing secret deals is the style of both the United Australia Party and the Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party

not a good sign for the future is it

un-trust worthy

There’s probably hundreds of secret deals going on all the time that we have no idea about.

Just be thankful we’re not being run by US Republicans!

CrazyNeutrino said:

if doing secret deals is the style of both the United Australia Party and the Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party

not a good sign for the future is it

un-trust worthy

It’s a fairly crappy “secret deal” when they announce it at a press conference. It just seems to me to take away a leeeetle bit of the secret part.

I’m going into the liberal party room with one of these

I see Roxy has teed off on Kevin Rudd. Told you it was all his fault.

Maybe dictatorships are the way to go.
They can’t blame the previous government.

Bill Shorten names shadow ministry

“Mr Shorten has been keen to point out women make up almost half of his frontbench, counting parliamentary secretaries.”

furious said:

Bill Shorten names shadow ministry

“Mr Shorten has been keen to point out women make up almost half of his frontbench, counting parliamentary secretaries.”

Women might be the best answer to modern politics. They stepped up in the US to reopen the shutdown. I think they might be the answer to ‘dirty politics’. I’m interested in politics again, at least until I see what these girls pull out.

Riff-in-Thyme said:

furious said:

Bill Shorten names shadow ministry

“Mr Shorten has been keen to point out women make up almost half of his frontbench, counting parliamentary secretaries.”

Women might be the best answer to modern politics. They stepped up in the US to reopen the shutdown. I think they might be the answer to ‘dirty politics’. I’m interested in politics again, at least until I see what these girls pull out.

Bring back Maggie, I say.

• They stepped up in the US to reopen the shutdown

I thought that was pizza…

furious said:

Bill Shorten names shadow ministry

“Mr Shorten has been keen to point out women make up almost half of his frontbench, counting parliamentary secretaries.”

so how come he didn’t stand down so one of the sisters could be the leader?

Riff-in-Thyme said:

furious said:

Bill Shorten names shadow ministry

“Mr Shorten has been keen to point out women make up almost half of his frontbench, counting parliamentary secretaries.”

Women might be the best answer to modern politics. They stepped up in the US to reopen the shutdown. I think they might be the answer to ‘dirty politics’. I’m interested in politics again, at least until I see what these girls pull out.

like Margaret thatcher

And now with a functioning link…

• They stepped up in the US to reopen the shutdown

I thought that was pizza…

Did pizza help Republicans and Democrats end the US government shutdown?

Did pizza help Republicans and Democrats end the US government shutdown?

Well I know things like that can happen.
I left one job & a few months later I was asked to go back for lots more money.
The company realised things were going wrong when they ran out of morning tea biscuits.

Bob Carr quits Senate

No surprises there. Let the infighting for the position begin…

furious said:

Bob Carr quits Senate

No surprises there. Let the infighting for the position begin…

That bloody oily snake

He’s making more money elsewhere I bet.

One of Julia Gillard’s clever media tricks, the cadaverish Bob Carr, has resigned.
He walked out of the smouldering wreck of the Labor Party and called a press conference ( first thing they teach you in Labor Politics 101 )
He was parachuted into the Senate at a press conference held by Julia Gillard 18 months ago.
He also attended a huge press conference held by Kevin Rudd when he was first elected, that press conference went for a week and was so big they buried a time capsule about it.
Anyway after he was parachuted into the Senate by Julia Gillard he crept up behind her and garrotted her ( second thing you learn in Labor Politics 101 )
Next he found himself being frogmarched out the door by the people who had had enough of incompetent government by press conference.
Now he has resigned because like all Labor politicians he wants to be cheered and clapped and told how wonderful he is and not pointed and laughed at.

“It has been a learning experience that’s unrivalled, equivalent to a dozen PhDs,” he told reporters in Canberra this morning.

Blimey, no doubt about it, once you get a Labor politician in front of a microphone at a press conference anything is possible.

He looks quite ill. I hope he doesn’t have any nasty disease.

Are you around Boris, or are you making preparations for the celebration of the primogeniture?

whoops, that should have been in chat

morrie said:

whoops, that should have been in chat

Oh. I thought you were referring to Boris Johnson.

Peak Warming Man said:

One of Julia Gillard’s clever media tricks, the cadaverish Bob Carr, has resigned.
He walked out of the smouldering wreck of the Labor Party and called a press conference ( first thing they teach you in Labor Politics 101 )
He was parachuted into the Senate at a press conference held by Julia Gillard 18 months ago.
He also attended a huge press conference held by Kevin Rudd when he was first elected, that press conference went for a week and was so big they buried a time capsule about it.
Anyway after he was parachuted into the Senate by Julia Gillard he crept up behind her and garrotted her ( second thing you learn in Labor Politics 101 )
Next he found himself being frogmarched out the door by the people who had had enough of incompetent government by press conference.
Now he has resigned because like all Labor politicians he wants to be cheered and clapped and told how wonderful he is and not pointed and laughed at.

A fair enough summary, other than the suggestion that these sorts of games only happen in one particular party, and the repetition of the ridiculous Abbottism that the previous government was incompetent, when actually they did quite well, all things considered.

I think it will be funny in a way if we had to redo the Senate vote in WA. Just for the laughs of seeing Big Clive’s head explode. He seems to think it is a conspiracy by the establishment to deny his party seats.

I further hope, if there is another vote, that more people vote below the line.

Apparently ClIEve is on 7:30 report, interviewed by Leigh, and it’s a laff and a half (you gotta laugh or cry)

I’m thinking of car stickers already…

VOTE BELOW THE LINE
QLD can keep their fat greedy bastards

party_pants said:

I think it will be funny in a way if we had to redo the Senate vote in WA. Just for the laughs of seeing Big Clive’s head explode. He seems to think it is a conspiracy by the establishment to deny his party seats.

I further hope, if there is another vote, that more people vote below the line.

over a thousand votes have just disappeared

with NO security in the electoral system you can expect to get the governments we haven’t voted for

election rigging is alive and well in australia

meh – when I looked below the line – it was all hunters, shooters, MOTorINg Car enthusiasticALs, and far right Christian zealots for Puritanical Family values. Utter shambles.

vote 1

the wookiemeister party

and the wiki party with preferences to the right and the pot smokers party.

Former police commissioner Mick Keelty to investigate 1,300 missing Senate ballots in WA

AEC spokesman Phil Diak says there has been an exhaustive, but ultimately unsuccessful, search for the papers.

“We’ve looked methodically through all the premises where those votes were stored and where they were stored,” he told ABC News 24.

“We’ve exhaustively and comprehensively in WA in all the premises tracked where the votes have been, transported and so forth, and it’s not until today – with all the last parcels of votes to be recounted opened – that that process of elimination has led us to the conclusion that they have been misplaced.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-31/more-than-1000-senate-ballots-missing-in-wa/5061174

wookiemeister said:

over a thousand votes have just disappeared

with NO security in the electoral system you can expect to get the governments we haven’t voted for

election rigging is alive and well in australia

As long it’s Palmers Untied Party being rigged against I’m happy to go along with it.

the pirate party got my vote

who doesn’t love pirates – right?

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

over a thousand votes have just disappeared

with NO security in the electoral system you can expect to get the governments we haven’t voted for

election rigging is alive and well in australia

As long it’s Palmers Untied Party being rigged against I’m happy to go along with it.

maybe you should vote more than once next election – no one will stop you and ultimately its legal

that way you can get the government you want

any party that can get in a and spend 350 million dollars on digital boxsets must be rigging the vote

wookiemeister said:

any party that can get in a and spend 350 million dollars on digital boxsets must be rigging the vote

Nah, they got in fair & square.

It’s parties that get a tenth of a quota on the primary vote and end with with a seat ahead of a party that got eight times as many primary votes. The preference deals for above the line voting are a rort, plain and simple.

All in all – a dismal selection from a smorgasboard of nutjob microparties doing deals.

excuse me, nutjob microparties are the salt of Australian politics

neomyrtus_ said:

All in all – a dismal selection from a smorgasboard of nutjob microparties doing deals.

Yes, if only one could put them all last.

1375 vote missing from two electorates. Rather than make the entire state vote again could we not just make those two electorates vote again?

Stealth said:

1375 vote missing from two electorates. Rather than make the entire state vote again could we not just make those two electorates vote again?

Because their votes won’t be the same the second time around. Each party will launch a new campaign, and a targeted campaign in a couple of small districts might easily sway the votes one way or another to be very different to what it was originally. The selection of these voting districts is not based on logic, but is entirely decided by coincidence as to where the votes were lost.

I think either everyone votes again, or nobody.

party_pants said:

Stealth said:

1375 vote missing from two electorates. Rather than make the entire state vote again could we not just make those two electorates vote again?

Because their votes won’t be the same the second time around. Each party will launch a new campaign, and a targeted campaign in a couple of small districts might easily sway the votes one way or another to be very different to what it was originally. The selection of these voting districts is not based on logic, but is entirely decided by coincidence as to where the votes were lost.

I think either everyone votes again, or nobody.

By the same token, should all of Australia vote again, as the political environment has changed since the last election?

Stealth said:

party_pants said:

Stealth said:

1375 vote missing from two electorates. Rather than make the entire state vote again could we not just make those two electorates vote again?

Because their votes won’t be the same the second time around. Each party will launch a new campaign, and a targeted campaign in a couple of small districts might easily sway the votes one way or another to be very different to what it was originally. The selection of these voting districts is not based on logic, but is entirely decided by coincidence as to where the votes were lost.

I think either everyone votes again, or nobody.

By the same token, should all of Australia vote again, as the political environment has changed since the last election?

No, that’s a different token, to my mind anyway.

If there is a re-vote required, the whole of the voting district should be part of the vote. The problem is determining 6 senators elected by Western Australia. The discreet voting district is Western Australia, therefore if a re-vote is required it should be the whole of Western Australia; neither more nor less.

party_pants said:

Stealth said:

party_pants said:

Because their votes won’t be the same the second time around. Each party will launch a new campaign, and a targeted campaign in a couple of small districts might easily sway the votes one way or another to be very different to what it was originally. The selection of these voting districts is not based on logic, but is entirely decided by coincidence as to where the votes were lost.

I think either everyone votes again, or nobody.

By the same token, should all of Australia vote again, as the political environment has changed since the last election?

No, that’s a different token, to my mind anyway.

If there is a re-vote required, the whole of the voting district should be part of the vote. The problem is determining 6 senators elected by Western Australia. The discreet voting district is Western Australia, therefore if a re-vote is required it should be the whole of Western Australia; neither more nor less.

It is a hard one. A main tenant in an election is that everyone votes with no knowledge of how others have voted and the likely outcome of the election to sway their vote. This would no longer apply if a by-election is called for in WA. WA could look and see that Abbott really is a dick and vote hard against Lib senators. Or that Palmer bought way more of the vote than expected and vote against him…

Stealth said:

It is a hard one. A main tenant in an election is that everyone votes with no knowledge of how others have voted and the likely outcome of the election to sway their vote. This would no longer apply if a by-election is called for in WA. WA could look and see that Abbott really is a dick and vote hard against Lib senators. Or that Palmer bought way more of the vote than expected and vote against him…

Yeah, but not quite the way I look at it.

If the first vote cannot be relied upon, and a re-count cannot be conducted with any confidence – then the last resort is scrap it all and have another fresh election. By necessity that means conducting it today, in the current political environment, it is not possible to go back to September 15.

party_pants said:

Stealth said:

It is a hard one. A main tenant in an election is that everyone votes with no knowledge of how others have voted and the likely outcome of the election to sway their vote. This would no longer apply if a by-election is called for in WA. WA could look and see that Abbott really is a dick and vote hard against Lib senators. Or that Palmer bought way more of the vote than expected and vote against him…

Yeah, but not quite the way I look at it.

If the first vote cannot be relied upon, and a re-count cannot be conducted with any confidence – then the last resort is scrap it all and have another fresh election. By necessity that means conducting it today, in the current political environment, it is not possible to go back to September 15.

I think that relying on the first vote (with any of its discrepancies) would be more true to the spirit of the voters on the day of the election than calling for a new vote.

Stealth said:

I think that relying on the first vote (with any of its discrepancies) would be more true to the spirit of the voters on the day of the election than calling for a new vote.

To me it is a question of having confidence in the outcome of the count.

Having the last two seats determined by a margin of only 14 votes in the crucial cascade of preferences is a bit too close to call for me. I think confidence demands a recount. Now that votes have gone missing I’m not sure I can have confidence in the recount. Unless the recount margin was greater than the number of missing votes – and this was all explainable by votes initially declared informal being declared formal upon closer investigation – all in the presence of party scrutineers. Still, I fear the losing parties would squeal like piglets even if it was fair and logical.

I think it will all end up on the Court of Disputed Retinas.

lol

dv said:

lol

It’s all right for you to laugh. I’ll have to give up half an hour of a Saturday morning to vote a second time.

Stealth said:

1375 vote missing from two electorates. Rather than make the entire state vote again could we not just make those two electorates vote again?

That many votes would have got me in. I demand another local election.

I presume people will be warier of pref flows next time

dv said:

I presume people will be warier of pref flows next time

didn’t think you were the type to presume. especially regarding a speedy and astute public response to…… anything!

The AEC have completed the recount for the WA Senate with results to be officially declared on Monday. The 5th and 6th seats have gone to The Greens and the Australian Sports Party, at the loss of the ALP and PUP. Both winners are delighted as you would expect, both losers are already talking about taking it to court.

This could be lots of fun still.

I wonder if limiting the number of maximum number preferences (above and below the line) to 5 or 10 would help get rid of the stupid outcomes?

One thing is for certain though, Clive is going to go ballistic, and it should be good fun watching…

Stealth said:

EDIT: I wonder if limiting the maximum number of preferences (above or below the line) to 5 or 10 would help get rid of the stupid outcomes?

party_pants said:

One thing is for certain though, Clive is going to go ballistic, and it should be good fun watching…