Date: 25/09/2013 23:04:17
From: Bubblecar
ID: 401839
Subject: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

Interesting and not what we’re normally told….

Fast versus slow weight loss: which is better?

That’s the question Australian researchers hope to answer when they place 100 obese women on low-calorie diets to test how their body responds.

The study will focus on the famine reaction’ – when the body responds to dieting by increasing appetite and reducing metabolic rate – which is why most diets ultimately fail.

Associate Professor Amanda Salis from the University of Sydney hopes to turn off this reaction through rapid weight loss.

While health professionals have long recommended slow and steady weight loss, these programs do not stop people from feeling hungry, she said.

But rapid weight loss, she says, reduces people’s hunger.

‘There’s this liberation from hunger, and I think that’s something that needs further investigation,’ Ms Salis told AAP on Wednesday.

She said research at the university’s Boden Institute of Obesity, Nutrition and Eating Disorders had shown people on low-calorie diets using meal replacement formulas did not feel starved.

‘It’s a severe calorie restriction… but paradoxically, there’s no increase in hunger.’

The study is seeking 100 women aged 45 to 65 years with a body mass index of between 30 and 40.

With the help of nutritionists, their daily calorie intake will be reduced to around 800 calories for four to five months.

This will involve replacing food with nutritionally balanced meal replacement formulas in the form of thickshakes.

Two cups of non-starchy vegetables, a teaspoon of fat and two litres of water are also permitted each day.

Professor Salis, who has lost 28 kilograms and kept it off for 15 years, admits the intake looks ‘frighteningly small’ but says it works.

‘After a couple of days, the hunger disappeared,’ she said.

‘After consuming one of these formulas, I felt like I’d just eaten a two-course meal. It was phenomenal.’

Anyone interested in the Tempo Trial should contact the University of Sydney.

http://www.skynews.com.au/health/article.aspx?id=909406

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Date: 25/09/2013 23:07:09
From: Skunkworks
ID: 401844
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

Makes a sort of sense, when you are sick you can drop a hell of a lot of weight in a short time, just a week or so, and no hunger and if you don’t go silly when you recover it will probably stay off.

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Date: 25/09/2013 23:07:14
From: Rule 303
ID: 401845
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

article said:

The study is seeking 100 women aged 45 to 65 years with a body mass index of between 30 and 40.

So they’re going with the easy group then…

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Date: 25/09/2013 23:09:16
From: OCDC
ID: 401849
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

Ketosis changes other body chemistry as well, which is thought to contribute to the change in appetite.

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Date: 25/09/2013 23:11:36
From: Michael V
ID: 401851
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

I wonder why not males?

I wonder why not a question mark at the end of the topic title?

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Date: 25/09/2013 23:13:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 401854
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

>Two cups of non-starchy vegetables

If there’s very few calories in most leaves, celery, cucumber etc, why only two cups?

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Date: 25/09/2013 23:14:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 401856
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

>I wonder why not a question mark at the end of the topic title?

I was being daringly controversial.

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Date: 25/09/2013 23:15:14
From: Skunkworks
ID: 401859
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

Bubblecar said:


>Two cups of non-starchy vegetables

If there’s very few calories in most leaves, celery, cucumber etc, why only two cups?

Yep, why not fill up on fresh tomatos, cucumber and lettuce, it is mostly water. Unless they want some stomach shrinking thing, which I am not sure is real.

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Date: 25/09/2013 23:16:12
From: Michael V
ID: 401862
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

Bubblecar said:


>I wonder why not a question mark at the end of the topic title?

I was being daringly controversial.

Ah…

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Date: 25/09/2013 23:17:31
From: Michael V
ID: 401864
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

Skunkworks said:


Bubblecar said:

>Two cups of non-starchy vegetables

If there’s very few calories in most leaves, celery, cucumber etc, why only two cups?

Yep, why not fill up on fresh tomatos, cucumber and lettuce, it is mostly water. Unless they want some stomach shrinking thing, which I am not sure is real.

Stomach shrinking is real, but it takes a while.

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Date: 25/09/2013 23:18:25
From: Bubblecar
ID: 401867
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

Skunkworks said:


Bubblecar said:

>Two cups of non-starchy vegetables

If there’s very few calories in most leaves, celery, cucumber etc, why only two cups?

Yep, why not fill up on fresh tomatos, cucumber and lettuce, it is mostly water. Unless they want some stomach shrinking thing, which I am not sure is real.

Tomatoes are quite high in carbs from sugar, so they’d need rationing.

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Date: 25/09/2013 23:20:06
From: Rule 303
ID: 401870
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

I’m of the understanding that starvation is associated with an increase of the body’s hormone of well-being and happiness, Serotonin.

There’s research looking at this association to explain the severe end of disordered eating among Anorexia Nervosa and Bulimia Nervosa sufferers.

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Date: 27/09/2013 01:37:51
From: Obviousman
ID: 402647
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

I don’t believe it will produce any positive results.

I know a number of people who have done the ‘lose weight fast’ / meal replacement with shakes style programmes. They did lose weight quickly… but all put it back on very quickly after the ‘diet’ was stopped and tended to put on even more.

The ‘lifestyle’ diets – altering your diet to suit what you like & what is good for weight loss, reducing portion size, maintaining a sensible daily low level exercise programme (e.g. walking) results in a slower weight loss but one which is maintained with little to no “effort”.

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Date: 27/09/2013 01:42:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 402648
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

Obviousman said:


I don’t believe it will produce any positive results.

I know a number of people who have done the ‘lose weight fast’ / meal replacement with shakes style programmes. They did lose weight quickly… but all put it back on very quickly after the ‘diet’ was stopped and tended to put on even more.

The ‘lifestyle’ diets – altering your diet to suit what you like & what is good for weight loss, reducing portion size, maintaining a sensible daily low level exercise programme (e.g. walking) results in a slower weight loss but one which is maintained with little to no “effort”.

little or no effort seems to be how the excess weight became a problem.

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Date: 27/09/2013 02:11:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 402649
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

roughbarked said:


Obviousman said:

I don’t believe it will produce any positive results.

I know a number of people who have done the ‘lose weight fast’ / meal replacement with shakes style programmes. They did lose weight quickly… but all put it back on very quickly after the ‘diet’ was stopped and tended to put on even more.

The ‘lifestyle’ diets – altering your diet to suit what you like & what is good for weight loss, reducing portion size, maintaining a sensible daily low level exercise programme (e.g. walking) results in a slower weight loss but one which is maintained with little to no “effort”.

little or no effort seems to be how the excess weight became a problem.

1 litre water put on heat
one small handful angel hair pasta
one veg stock cube(reduced salt)
half a tomato someone left in the fridge
a handful fresh shelled peas
a couple of radishes found near the tomato

cook time two to three minutes, serve as a light soup with that odd bit of old dried parmesan block from the back of the fridge, grated on top.
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Date: 27/09/2013 11:44:37
From: Obviousman
ID: 402718
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

roughbarked said:


Obviousman said:

I don’t believe it will produce any positive results.

I know a number of people who have done the ‘lose weight fast’ / meal replacement with shakes style programmes. They did lose weight quickly… but all put it back on very quickly after the ‘diet’ was stopped and tended to put on even more.

The ‘lifestyle’ diets – altering your diet to suit what you like & what is good for weight loss, reducing portion size, maintaining a sensible daily low level exercise programme (e.g. walking) results in a slower weight loss but one which is maintained with little to no “effort”.

little or no effort seems to be how the excess weight became a problem.

No and that’s how you got to change what you are doing. If you ‘diet’ you feel hungry, want to eat certaon bad foods, etc. If you modify your diet you are still eating foods that you like, that satisfy you and the gradual reduction in portion size means that your total intake of kilojoules is being reduced without you feeling like you are depriving yourself.

The exercise is very subjective; you have to do something that you will like. For me it is walking. I have a shedload of podcasts on my phone, plug in the headphones and spend an hour or so listening to podcasts. It’s a good break from work or a chance for some fresh air on weekends but it doesn’t feel like I am having to ‘force’ myself to do it. I’ve made it a pleasure, a break, something I look forward to. people have to find what works for them. It might be a swim, it might be dancing… it’s just whaever works for you. That’s what I mean by “little to no effort”.

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Date: 27/09/2013 11:54:51
From: poikilotherm
ID: 402720
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

Obviousman said:


roughbarked said:

Obviousman said:

I don’t believe it will produce any positive results.

I know a number of people who have done the ‘lose weight fast’ / meal replacement with shakes style programmes. They did lose weight quickly… but all put it back on very quickly after the ‘diet’ was stopped and tended to put on even more.

The ‘lifestyle’ diets – altering your diet to suit what you like & what is good for weight loss, reducing portion size, maintaining a sensible daily low level exercise programme (e.g. walking) results in a slower weight loss but one which is maintained with little to no “effort”.

little or no effort seems to be how the excess weight became a problem.

No and that’s how you got to change what you are doing. If you ‘diet’ you feel hungry, want to eat certaon bad foods, etc. If you modify your diet you are still eating foods that you like, that satisfy you and the gradual reduction in portion size means that your total intake of kilojoules is being reduced without you feeling like you are depriving yourself.

The exercise is very subjective; you have to do something that you will like. For me it is walking. I have a shedload of podcasts on my phone, plug in the headphones and spend an hour or so listening to podcasts. It’s a good break from work or a chance for some fresh air on weekends but it doesn’t feel like I am having to ‘force’ myself to do it. I’ve made it a pleasure, a break, something I look forward to. people have to find what works for them. It might be a swim, it might be dancing… it’s just whaever works for you. That’s what I mean by “little to no effort”.

The shake type diets are particularly troublesome as reintroduction of foods, even some ‘healthy’ foods (vegies) needs to be done slowly. Unfortunately, most people just go back to old habits after doing the low calorie style shake diets.

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Date: 27/09/2013 12:02:34
From: OCDC
ID: 402724
Subject: re: Fast weight loss better for curbing hunger

Had one patient who did really well. In one year he went from morbidly obese and hypertensive to merely overweight and normotensive. Initially he was on insulin plus metformin and ramipril, then metformin and less ramipril, then A1c of <6% after three months of nil drugs. So we discharged him from clinic. He said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done.

So it does work for some people, but they need to have the drive and self-control to stick to it.

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