Date: 15/10/2013 17:55:47
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 414187
Subject: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Science just gives facts. Our sense of meaning, in the big-picture, must derive from elsewhere. Right?

Wrong.

Below are 10 sublime wonders of science, to make your mind reel and your emotions swell. Scientific wonders about our world provide meaning in the same way that grand narratives and religious cosmologies have traditionally presented a big-picture vision of how the world came to be, our connection to what exists, and awe.

1. The universe contains physical laws and naturalistic processes that allow complexity to emerge. Without this feature, then nothing.

2.There are more stars in the universe than words ever uttered by all the humans who ever lived.

3. As Elizabeth Johnson wrote, “Out of the Big Bang, the stars; out of the stardust, the Earth; out of the Earth, single-celled living creatures; out of evolutionary life and death of these creatures, human beings with a consciousness and freedom.” Seen in this way, science can help us feel connected to the world. We did not come into the world from the outside, we grew out of it.

4. Every individual bacterium, cockroach, and sparrow that ever existed—every person, frog, and cucumber — owes its existence to a completely unbroken stream of DNA stemming from the earliest replicators through every creature that lives today. When fully felt, the power and the wonder of evolution, with its extraordinary diversity and complexity, hits us profoundly.

5. Science, as Loyal Rue wrote, “documents our essential kinship as no other story can do—fashioned from the same stellar dust, energized by the same star, nourished by the same planet, endowed with the same genetic code, and threatened by the same evils.” We are not separate from nature or each other in some transcendent, essentialist sense. This can be a ground for a sense of belonging.

6. Conscious experience, along with existence itself, is the greatest scientific wonder of all. We are a part of nature that can know and experience truth, invent, love, be moral, feel indescribable emotion, and consciously plan for the future. Ideas and passion can now transform the world. As far as we know, this level of cosmic self-awareness is being realized in only one tiny fragment of the universe—in us.

7. The findings of modern science are mind-boggling: matter is energy, space itself can bend, time slows down at great speeds, great energies can be released from tiny nuclei, the universe is expanding and the rate of expansion is accelerating, we can communicate almost instantaneously across the planet, we travel through air and space in flying machines, and we can even turn the spotlight of discovery around towards our own minds and behaviour.

8. The benefits of modern science to our well-being and comfort are extraordinary. Thanks to scientific medicine and public health human life expectancy has nearly doubled since our great-grandparents day.

9. Science in the future, if applied with wisdom, may be valued not just for its fantastic technological uses and discovery of facts, but also, as Rene Dubos put it “to understand as well as possible the nature of life and of man in order to give more meaning and value to human existence.”

10. And here is a scientific astonishment that should hit home deeply for every one of us: The odds of a “specific me” coming into existence are so statistically and incalculably improbable, it is, quite bluntly, a deep wonder and privilege just to be alive.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2013/10/08/10-sublime-wonders-of-science/

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Date: 15/10/2013 17:57:25
From: Divine Angel
ID: 414188
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Oprah says I’m not allowed to be awed at this.

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Date: 15/10/2013 17:58:15
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 414189
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Divine Angel said:


Oprah says I’m not allowed to be awed at this.

Oprah tells atheist swimmer Diana Nyad that atheists don’t believe in ‘awe’ and ‘wonder’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/14/oprah-tells-atheist-swimmer-diana-nyad-that-atheists-dont-believe-in-awe-and-wonder/

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Date: 15/10/2013 18:04:32
From: Dropbear
ID: 414192
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

I’m not sure these are wonders of science at all

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Date: 15/10/2013 18:14:12
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 414195
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

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Date: 15/10/2013 18:17:32
From: Dropbear
ID: 414196
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

“Facts” are not science

Science is a method.

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Date: 15/10/2013 18:37:07
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 414201
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Dropbear said:


“Facts” are not science

Science is a method.

But didn’t science provide us with those facts?

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Date: 15/10/2013 19:19:54
From: Ian
ID: 414221
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

What a load of drivel.

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:18:30
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 414244
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Thanks to scientific medicine and public health human life expectancy has nearly doubled since our great-grandparents day.
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Ah…Ahhh…Ahhhh Bullshit.

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:20:45
From: sibeen
ID: 414245
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Mr Ironic said:

Thanks to scientific medicine and public health human life expectancy has nearly doubled since our great-grandparents day.
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Ah…Ahhh…Ahhhh Bullshit.

I do expect that they actually mean the mean :)

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:22:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 414246
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Wiki

Life expectancy variation over time

The following information is derived from Encyclopædia Britannica, 1961. and other sources, some with a questionable accuracy. Unless otherwise stated, it represents estimates of the life expectancies of the population as a whole. In many instances life expectancy varied considerably according to class and gender.

Life expectancy at birth takes account of infant mortality but not pre-natal mortality.

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:25:49
From: Dropbear
ID: 414247
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Skeptic Pete said:


Dropbear said:

“Facts” are not science

Science is a method.

But didn’t science provide us with those facts?

Correct, it didn’t. Science provides us with theories and a method for interpreting observation.

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:34:49
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 414258
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

I do expect that they actually mean the mean :)
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The mean medium average is not the point in the making…

It is the claim that these advances are predominately scientific.

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:36:13
From: sibeen
ID: 414260
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Mr Ironic said:

I do expect that they actually mean the mean :)
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The mean medium average is not the point in the making…

It is the claim that these advances are predominately scientific.

OK, I’d agree with that. In the main it has been engineering.

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:38:42
From: JudgeMental
ID: 414263
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

OK, I’d agree with that. In the main it has been engineering.

but hasn’t the engineering been done because science discovered various aspects of the environment affected human health?

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:39:38
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 414266
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

In the main it has been engineering.
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I presume you mean….

They built the roads and the hospitals so women can bear young ‘more’ safely.

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:41:22
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 414271
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

but hasn’t the engineering been done because science discovered various aspects of the environment affected human health?
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No that was the plumber, who said “don’t shit where you eat.”

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:42:20
From: sibeen
ID: 414272
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Mr Ironic said:

In the main it has been engineering. ————————————————————-

I presume you mean….

They built the roads and the hospitals so women can bear young ‘more’ safely.

No. I mean that the implementation of decent sewage systems has probably saved more lives, and increased longevity, than any other measure.

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:43:23
From: JudgeMental
ID: 414277
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

I mean that the implementation of decent sewage systems has probably saved more lives, and increased longevity, than any other measure.

it sure has.

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Date: 15/10/2013 20:47:32
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 414285
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

No. I mean that the implementation of decent sewage systems has probably saved more lives, and increased longevity, than any other measure.
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Yes, the oldie plumber.

Can you get an engineering degree posthumously…

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Date: 15/10/2013 21:30:33
From: wookiemeister
ID: 414331
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Wookiemeister lite

25 % percent less facts

All wookie

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Date: 16/10/2013 06:27:43
From: Ian
ID: 414368
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Mr Ironic said:

Thanks to scientific medicine and public health human life expectancy has nearly doubled since our great-grandparents day.
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Ah…Ahhh…Ahhhh Bullshit.

Ah… Ahhh…

Yes… That Bit is Utter Bulllshit


However, in the context of the OP…

“Science just gives facts. Right?”

Riiiight…

Already discussed.. bang on.


“Our sense of meaning, in the big-picture, must derive from elsewhere. Right?”

Riiight…

The search for meaning is the central theme of science.


“Below are 10 sublime wonders of science, to make your mind reel and your emotions swell.”

Riiight Again…

The works of Huxley (A) and Leary (T) have reely maked the mind. And of course, Hubble’s treatise on the swelling of cosmic emotions is a huge tear-jerker.

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Date: 16/10/2013 17:11:54
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 414709
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Well I won’t make that mistake again.

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Date: 19/10/2013 13:41:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 416405
Subject: re: 10 Sublime Wonders of Science

Skeptic Pete said:


Science just gives facts. Our sense of meaning, in the big-picture, must derive from elsewhere. Right?

Wrong.

Below are 10 sublime wonders of science, to make your mind reel and your emotions swell. Scientific wonders about our world provide meaning in the same way that grand narratives and religious cosmologies have traditionally presented a big-picture vision of how the world came to be, our connection to what exists, and awe.

1. The universe contains physical laws and naturalistic processes that allow complexity to emerge. Without this feature, then nothing.
The more I learn about multiverse cosmology, the more I am awed by this.

2.There are more stars in the universe than words ever uttered by all the humans who ever lived.
I should hope so, if it ever turns the other way around then people should stop talking as much.

3. As Elizabeth Johnson wrote, “Out of the Big Bang, the stars; out of the stardust, the Earth; out of the Earth, single-celled living creatures; out of evolutionary life and death of these creatures, human beings with a consciousness and freedom.” Seen in this way, science can help us feel connected to the world. We did not come into the world from the outside, we grew out of it. 5. Science, as Loyal Rue wrote, “documents our essential kinship as no other story can do—fashioned from the same stellar dust, energized by the same star, nourished by the same planet, endowed with the same genetic code, and threatened by the same evils.” We are not separate from nature or each other in some transcendent, essentialist sense. This can be a ground for a sense of belonging.
I was recently reading a book chapter on the characterization of the interstellar medium. Let me see if I can find the quote, here it is:
“We are ourselves a part of the interstellar medium”.

4. Every individual bacterium, cockroach, and sparrow that ever existed—every person, frog, and cucumber — owes its existence to a completely unbroken stream of DNA stemming from the earliest replicators through every creature that lives today. When fully felt, the power and the wonder of evolution, with its extraordinary diversity and complexity, hits us profoundly.
I wish people would stop saying “DNA” here instead of “RNA”. The first replicators that used nucleic acid used RNA without DNA, with DNA only coming later. My person belief is that the first replicators didn’t even use RNA, but instead first used only nucleotide monomers as an energy source, and then later learnt to polymerize nucleotides for energy storage in the same way that later organisms polymerized sugar monomers for energy storage.

6. Conscious experience, along with existence itself, is the greatest scientific wonder of all. We are a part of nature that can know and experience truth, invent, love, be moral, feel indescribable emotion, and consciously plan for the future. Ideas and passion can now transform the world. As far as we know, this level of cosmic self-awareness is being realized in only one tiny fragment of the universe—in us.
Anthropocentric chauvinism at its worst. Animals can do all of these. However, so far as I can tell, only objects such as human beings, books and computers have the communication skills to play unwitting host to the meme that calls itself “advanced intelligence”.

7. The findings of modern science are mind-boggling: matter is energy, space itself can bend, time slows down at great speeds, great energies can be released from tiny nuclei, the universe is expanding and the rate of expansion is accelerating, we can communicate almost instantaneously across the planet, we travel through air and space in flying machines, and we can even turn the spotlight of discovery around towards our own minds and behaviour.
Yes.

8. The benefits of modern science to our well-being and comfort are extraordinary. Thanks to scientific medicine and public health human life expectancy has nearly doubled since our great-grandparents day.
True. I’ve been studying genealogy death records from Jamaica for shortly after the turn of the 20th century (1900 to 1920). The human median life expectancy there was 5 years, I calculated it out on a spreadsheet. (The mean lifespan was 9 years). A negligible amount of that was due to epidemics. Most but by far from all was due to infant mortality, after about age 2 years the probability of a person dying was almost exactly constant with age. So median life expectancy has increased by a factor of about sixteen in less than 100 years.

9. Science in the future, if applied with wisdom, may be valued not just for its fantastic technological uses and discovery of facts, but also, as Rene Dubos put it “to understand as well as possible the nature of life and of man in order to give more meaning and value to human existence.”
True, except possibly the “give meaning to human experience” bit.

10. And here is a scientific astonishment that should hit home deeply for every one of us: The odds of a “specific me” coming into existence are so statistically and incalculably improbable, it is, quite bluntly, a deep wonder and privilege just to be alive.
True. Let’s look specifically at “appearance” and ignore non-coding DNA. 20,000 protein-coding genes at an average of 466 amino acids long with a choice of 15 amino acids (leaving off the five amino acids that occur less often) gives us a probability of 15^(20,000*466) equals about 10^10,000,000. The number of atoms in the observable universe is between 10^78 and 10^82, so even giving polymers of amino acids as a given, you’d have to search through an enormous number of other visible universes to find another creature like you.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2013/10/08/10-sublime-wonders-of-science/

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