Where is the energy we derive from wind power ultimately taken from? What will have less energy due to our wind power schemes?

The wind, the Earth, or are we merely accelerating it’s conversion to heat?

that seems like the dodgiest assumption I have heard in like, forever! but I’ll let others provide data

I’ve always been a bit concerned about wind & tidal power schemes.

Soso said:

Where is the energy we derive from wind power ultimately taken from? What will have less energy due to our wind power schemes?

The wind, the Earth, or are we merely accelerating it’s conversion to heat?

I call BS. The wind will still do its thing whatever is put in it’s path. until the sun stops warming us.

roughbarked said:

Soso said:

Where is the energy we derive from wind power ultimately taken from? What will have less energy due to our wind power schemes?

The wind, the Earth, or are we merely accelerating it’s conversion to heat?

I call BS. The wind will still do its thing whatever is put in it’s path. until the sun stops warming us.

my thoughts, pretty near

since wind is about pressure differentials, I would have thought that slowing it down artificially would only create more?

Riff-in-Thyme said:

since wind is about pressure differentials, I would have thought that slowing it down artificially would only create more?

Will force wind to take new actions yes.

Soso said:

Where is the energy we derive from wind power ultimately taken from? What will have less energy due to our wind power schemes?

The energy the drives changes in atmospheric conditions (the weather) comes from the sun.

diddly-squat said:

Soso said:

Where is the energy we derive from wind power ultimately taken from? What will have less energy due to our wind power schemes?

The energy the drives changes in atmospheric conditions (the weather) comes from the sun.

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

Riff-in-Thyme said:

since wind is about pressure differentials, I would have thought that slowing it down artificially would only create more?

Joe Barton tells us how it goes down in Texas:

“Wind is God’s way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler. That’s what wind is. Wouldn’t it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up? Now, I’m not saying that’s going to happen, Mr. Chairman, but that is definitely something on the massive scale. I mean, it does make some sense. You stop something, you can’t transfer that heat, and the heat goes up. It’s just something to think about.”

Soso said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

since wind is about pressure differentials, I would have thought that slowing it down artificially would only create more?

Joe Barton tells us how it goes down in Texas:

“Wind is God’s way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler. That’s what wind is. Wouldn’t it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up? Now, I’m not saying that’s going to happen, Mr. Chairman, but that is definitely something on the massive scale. I mean, it does make some sense. You stop something, you can’t transfer that heat, and the heat goes up. It’s just something to think about.”

well that’s just simply incorrect

wind is the direct result of atmospheric pressure differentials

Soso said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

since wind is about pressure differentials, I would have thought that slowing it down artificially would only create more?

Joe Barton tells us how it goes down in Texas:

“Wind is God’s way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler. That’s what wind is. Wouldn’t it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up? Now, I’m not saying that’s going to happen, Mr. Chairman, but that is definitely something on the massive scale. I mean, it does make some sense. You stop something, you can’t transfer that heat, and the heat goes up. It’s just something to think about.”

So he doesn’t remember the Oklahoma dust bowl.

Since Paul did it.. I think of any godbotherer stuff in line with the video he did of God Made Me Do It

>Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler

Except here in WA, where the Fremantle Doctor comes in to cool things down each afternoon in summer. Must be a west coast thing. ;)

roughbarked said:

Soso said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

since wind is about pressure differentials, I would have thought that slowing it down artificially would only create more?

Joe Barton tells us how it goes down in Texas:

“Wind is God’s way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler. That’s what wind is. Wouldn’t it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up? Now, I’m not saying that’s going to happen, Mr. Chairman, but that is definitely something on the massive scale. I mean, it does make some sense. You stop something, you can’t transfer that heat, and the heat goes up. It’s just something to think about.”

So he doesn’t remember the Oklahoma dust bowl.

Of course he does. It was the Devils work.

morrie said:

>Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler

Except here in WA, where the Fremantle Doctor comes in to cool things down each afternoon in summer. Must be a west coast thing. ;)

Yes but you said that tongue in cheek.. admit it.

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

Soso said:

Where is the energy we derive from wind power ultimately taken from? What will have less energy due to our wind power schemes?

The energy the drives changes in atmospheric conditions (the weather) comes from the sun.

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

So we are accelerating the transfer of the energy of the atmosphere into heat. That means even though the energy is topped up by the sun, there will be slightly less energy in the atmosphere.

Soso said:

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

The energy the drives changes in atmospheric conditions (the weather) comes from the sun.

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

So we are accelerating the transfer of the energy of the atmosphere into heat. That means even though the energy is topped up by the sun, there will be slightly less energy in the atmosphere.

No.

roughbarked said:

Soso said:

roughbarked said:

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

So we are accelerating the transfer of the energy of the atmosphere into heat. That means even though the energy is topped up by the sun, there will be slightly less energy in the atmosphere.

No.

So it’s free energy?

roughbarked said:

Soso said:

roughbarked said:

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

So we are accelerating the transfer of the energy of the atmosphere into heat. That means even though the energy is topped up by the sun, there will be slightly less energy in the atmosphere.

No.

The day I was driving along at White Cliffs in my Pajero(when I had one).. the sheet of corrugated iron that was spinning on a flat plane, aimed directly at my windscreen. Enough to make me take active evasion by ducking below the dash. flipped over the car and went on its way without so much as causing an effect on me that I could feel..

Soso said:

roughbarked said:

Soso said:

So we are accelerating the transfer of the energy of the atmosphere into heat. That means even though the energy is topped up by the sun, there will be slightly less energy in the atmosphere.

No.

So it’s free energy?

No. Mostly it costs more than we would want for something that comes in the window.

Best answer is to put it to a useful purpose.. which is all in the word, windbreak.

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

>Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler

Except here in WA, where the Fremantle Doctor comes in to cool things down each afternoon in summer. Must be a west coast thing. ;)

Yes but you said that tongue in cheek.. admit it.

Nah, definitely a west coast thing. See:

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

>Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler

Except here in WA, where the Fremantle Doctor comes in to cool things down each afternoon in summer. Must be a west coast thing. ;)

Yes but you said that tongue in cheek.. admit it.

Nah, definitely a west coast thing. See:

Happens on any coast.. but at different times of day to different rates.

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

>Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler

Except here in WA, where the Fremantle Doctor comes in to cool things down each afternoon in summer. Must be a west coast thing. ;)

Yes but you said that tongue in cheek.. admit it.

Nah, definitely a west coast thing. See:

Didn’t we learn about land & sea breezes in 1st year high school?

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

Yes but you said that tongue in cheek.. admit it.

Nah, definitely a west coast thing. See:

Happens on any coast.. but at different times of day to different rates.

Well ok, but it happens the other way round in the northern hemisphere, where America is.

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

Nah, definitely a west coast thing. See:

Happens on any coast.. but at different times of day to different rates.

Well ok, but it happens the other way round in the northern hemisphere, where America is.

It has been slowly dawning on me.. who knows where America is.. at?

Soso said:

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

The energy the drives changes in atmospheric conditions (the weather) comes from the sun.

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

So we are accelerating the transfer of the energy of the atmosphere into heat. That means even though the energy is topped up by the sun, there will be slightly less energy in the atmosphere.

It’s not really an example of ‘accelerating the transfer of energy’ but yes, the kinetic energy of the atmosphere is transfered into energy that we can more readily make use of and thus the overall energy in the atmosphere reduces. But note that this is a minute fraction of the sum total.

diddly-squat said:

Soso said:

roughbarked said:

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

So we are accelerating the transfer of the energy of the atmosphere into heat. That means even though the energy is topped up by the sun, there will be slightly less energy in the atmosphere.

It’s not really an example of ‘accelerating the transfer of energy’ but yes, the kinetic energy of the atmosphere is transfered into energy that we can more readily make use of and thus the overall energy in the atmosphere reduces. But note that this is a minute fraction of the sum total.

It really isn’t worth thinking about unless where it is transferred to is factored in.

♫little decisions | Paul Kelly | Hidden Things♪♩

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Soso said:

Joe Barton tells us how it goes down in Texas:

“Wind is God’s way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler. That’s what wind is. Wouldn’t it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up? Now, I’m not saying that’s going to happen, Mr. Chairman, but that is definitely something on the massive scale. I mean, it does make some sense. You stop something, you can’t transfer that heat, and the heat goes up. It’s just something to think about.”

So he doesn’t remember the Oklahoma dust bowl.

Of course he does. It was the Devils work.

Satan is merely the dyslexic side of Santa. Other than; if God on the other hand there must be Satan

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

So he doesn’t remember the Oklahoma dust bowl.

Of course he does. It was the Devils work.

Satan is merely the dyslexic side of Santa. Other than; if God on the other hand there must be Satan

Being married to a dyslexic I can see the validity of your argument :)

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Of course he does. It was the Devils work.

Satan is merely the dyslexic side of Santa. Other than; if God on the other hand there must be Satan

Being married to a dyslexic I can see the validity of your argument :)

Glad that you can ;)

♫Brand New Ways | Paul Kelly | Hidden Things♪♩

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

Soso said:

Where is the energy we derive from wind power ultimately taken from? What will have less energy due to our wind power schemes?

The energy the drives changes in atmospheric conditions (the weather) comes from the sun.

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

Essentially, so is harvesting oil…

Stealth said:

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

The energy the drives changes in atmospheric conditions (the weather) comes from the sun.

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

Essentially, so is harvesting oil…

True enough but burning it creates pollution.

Stealth said:

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

The energy the drives changes in atmospheric conditions (the weather) comes from the sun.

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

Essentially, so is harvesting oil…

True, but one is taking the energy from income to the current account, whereas the other is taking it from the long term deposit account, which is not being replaced.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Stealth said:

roughbarked said:

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

Essentially, so is harvesting oil…

True, but one is taking the energy from income to the current account, whereas the other is taking it from the long term deposit account, which is not being replaced.

I’d have gone with one is being taken directly from the environmental economy and one from it’s superannuation, but fair point.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Stealth said:

roughbarked said:

Essentially, harvesting the wind is part of harvesting solar energy.

Essentially, so is harvesting oil…

True, but one is taking the energy from income to the current account, whereas the other is taking it from the long term deposit account, which is not being replaced.

Also, one produces carbon as a by-product.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Stealth said:

Essentially, so is harvesting oil…

True, but one is taking the energy from income to the current account, whereas the other is taking it from the long term deposit account, which is not being replaced.

Also, one produces carbon as a by-product.

Carbon can neither be produced nor destroyed. Carbon dioxide, on the other hand….

“Wind is God’s way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler. That’s what wind is. Wouldn’t it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up? Now, I’m not saying that’s going to happen, Mr. Chairman, but that is definitely something on the massive scale. I mean, it does make some sense. You stop something, you can’t transfer that heat, and the heat goes up. It’s just something to think about.”
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It really troubles me that people who think such things can be in positions of power.
(I suppose this the price we pay for democracy)