Date: 2/11/2013 02:33:38
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 423583
Subject: Home Schooling

I’ve had the normal issues with public education-student/teacher ratio etc. for a good number of years. I gave little credit to the home schooling option until recently when I discovered an old friend had been home schooling her children since they were of schooling age.

I had not expected this from her as she never struck me as exceptionally methodical with long term requirements. Upon reflection her success does make sense when you consider that for her this method of raising her child comes more naturally to her. The intimacy of knowledge between them ensures that they are both aware of each other in an ongoing and meaningful manner. I imagine this is important between a mother and her daughters to manage effectively.

This consideration prompts me to investigate the subject further. I cannot see that I would necessarily develop the time or resource to provide him a full time study, but I feel entirely comfortable with the idea of developing a shared curriculum with a local school or other arrangement if feasible within the local community. Possibly combining my input with distance schooling would be possible.

Any input into the subject would be appreciated.

:)

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Date: 2/11/2013 08:47:09
From: buffy
ID: 423626
Subject: re: Home Schooling

The home school kids I know are poor socializers. They can socialize within their own group (it’s religious around here) but not with other kids. I don’t think this is a good idea. I also know of children who when they are home schooled simply do not reach the levels required to go on to tertiary level, and if they do, don’t you think it is cruel to suddenly throw them out of the nest at that stage without having primed them for the Real World?

If you are going to do it properly, it is also a very big committment of time and your own brain resources.

I’m not it favour of it unless the child is very isolated, ie school of the air.

Proviso: I am not a parent. I went to a Government primary and high school and I have rather fixed views on the necessity (or not) of private schools.

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Date: 2/11/2013 09:56:22
From: Angus Prune
ID: 423641
Subject: re: Home Schooling

We expect professional teachers to be well versed in their subject matter. How many home schooling parents are knowledgeable enough in everything from history to maths to foreign languages to biology, et cetera?

Half the point of schooling (in my opinion) is to give kids some exposure and access to fields and concepts that they would not necessarily be able to get at home. And that include the social and political.

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Date: 2/11/2013 10:02:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 423642
Subject: re: Home Schooling

i’ve met some amazing home schooled children over the years. but this is tasmania. where home schooling occurs it is mostly because the parents actually want the child educated.

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Date: 2/11/2013 10:15:51
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 423645
Subject: re: Home Schooling

Angus Prune said:


We expect professional teachers to be well versed in their subject matter. How many home schooling parents are knowledgeable enough in everything from history to maths to foreign languages to biology, et cetera?

Half the point of schooling (in my opinion) is to give kids some exposure and access to fields and concepts that they would not necessarily be able to get at home. And that include the social and political.

And the other half should be teaching critical thinking skills and the dangers of confirmation bias.

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Date: 2/11/2013 10:24:12
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 423653
Subject: re: Home Schooling

Skeptic Pete said:


Angus Prune said:

We expect professional teachers to be well versed in their subject matter. How many home schooling parents are knowledgeable enough in everything from history to maths to foreign languages to biology, et cetera?

Half the point of schooling (in my opinion) is to give kids some exposure and access to fields and concepts that they would not necessarily be able to get at home. And that include the social and political.

And the other half should be teaching critical thinking skills and the dangers of confirmation bias.

Exactly Peat, some of the Biblical text are excellent examples, I’ll never forget Mathew 22:20 and Jesus’ Render unto Caesar parable, powerful stuff that and an excellent teaching aid.

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Date: 2/11/2013 10:43:01
From: Spider Lily
ID: 423656
Subject: re: Home Schooling

sarahs mum said:


i’ve met some amazing home schooled children over the years. but this is tasmania. where home schooling occurs it is mostly because the parents actually want the child educated.

I’m not a parent but I have to agree with SM, I too have met some lovely well adjusted home schooled people over the years. I know a 3 year old at present that will be home schooled and she is very well socialised and goes to dance classes and I guess as she gets older and has other interests she will attend those as well.

I am also a fan of Steiner Education..

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Date: 2/11/2013 10:46:25
From: ratty one
ID: 423660
Subject: re: Home Schooling

Riff-in-Thyme said:


I’ve had the normal issues with public education-student/teacher ratio etc. for a good number of years. I gave little credit to the home schooling option until recently when I discovered an old friend had been home schooling her children since they were of schooling age.

I had not expected this from her as she never struck me as exceptionally methodical with long term requirements. Upon reflection her success does make sense when you consider that for her this method of raising her child comes more naturally to her. The intimacy of knowledge between them ensures that they are both aware of each other in an ongoing and meaningful manner. I imagine this is important between a mother and her daughters to manage effectively.

This consideration prompts me to investigate the subject further. I cannot see that I would necessarily develop the time or resource to provide him a full time study, but I feel entirely comfortable with the idea of developing a shared curriculum with a local school or other arrangement if feasible within the local community. Possibly combining my input with distance schooling would be possible.

Any input into the subject would be appreciated.

:)

I have family members whom were all home schooled. Six children in that extended family. As far as I am aware at least one of them has gone onto an education role for higher level theoretical mathematics. I think one opted out of further tertiary study and I believe the rest are going through tertiary education.

I suppose if your dad teaches computational mathematics at uni. He might have been able to help with the maths homework from time to time.

They all seemed rather well socialised. Coming from a large family with a large network of friends perhaps aided there. They’re all computer literate. Some of them are more than capable in the sector of computer programming and at a young age from what I was made aware.

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Date: 2/11/2013 10:48:52
From: ratty one
ID: 423661
Subject: re: Home Schooling

My sister in-law also homeschooled her children while living abroad to continue eduction under the Australian school system. She was a trained teacher though ….although in one specific subject base.

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Date: 2/11/2013 11:02:27
From: poikilotherm
ID: 423666
Subject: re: Home Schooling

buffy said:

The home school kids I know are poor socializers.

Yea…oedipal psychopaths usually, IME.

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Date: 2/11/2013 11:07:03
From: Divine Angel
ID: 423668
Subject: re: Home Schooling

Home schooled kids are freaks

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Date: 2/11/2013 19:15:51
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 423971
Subject: re: Home Schooling

Angus Prune said:


We expect professional teachers to be well versed in their subject matter. How many home schooling parents are knowledgeable enough in everything from history to maths to foreign languages to biology, et cetera?

Half the point of schooling (in my opinion) is to give kids some exposure and access to fields and concepts that they would not necessarily be able to get at home. And that include the social and political.

I asked my friend about this sort of thing. She told me they have very good support from their program and that home schooling had developed significantly post millenia. Many of the answers here appear to have ignored the idea of doing this part time(possibly even only for primary-depending on the direction the child is inclined to take).

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Date: 2/11/2013 19:17:18
From: buffy
ID: 423973
Subject: re: Home Schooling

>>Many of the answers here appear to have ignored the idea of doing this part time<<

How do you do it part-time? You wouldn’t be able to send the child to school sometimes and not others as the rate of teaching would not be matched up.

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Date: 2/11/2013 19:20:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 423978
Subject: re: Home Schooling

buffy said:

>>Many of the answers here appear to have ignored the idea of doing this part time<<

How do you do it part-time? You wouldn’t be able to send the child to school sometimes and not others as the rate of teaching would not be matched up.

Part time teachers get paid at a higher rate for more than casual performance.

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Date: 2/11/2013 22:41:46
From: transition
ID: 424065
Subject: re: Home Schooling

something to do with who does what with the toolbox behind the eyes?

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Date: 3/11/2013 13:26:14
From: transition
ID: 424292
Subject: re: Home Schooling

It’s good to read and write and think shit and do stuff at home, you know like kids do anyway, well before they even go to school. Credit them with faculties and a human nature and youthful adventure. Like if there’s a really tall tree in the yard or near they’ll climb right to the top with their lollies or favourite toy, while rattling on to their sister or brother, and boys will even hang their dick out 25 feet up for a piss.

They know where to go for a view. Not sure kids climb tall trees anymore. Last time I saw a kid climb a tall tree in a school I reckon they had the ambulance and fire truck around, and word was the kid had some problems.

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Date: 3/11/2013 14:51:43
From: transition
ID: 424316
Subject: re: Home Schooling

Serious note, both my kids did a bit of home schooling, not a lot, didn’t go to regular school on and off quite a bit maybe age 13 or so onward , and both were good kids, quite smart and good company too. Lad later did trade-related tafe stuff and did well at the math and all. Daughter likewise has done well.

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Date: 3/11/2013 14:52:48
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 424317
Subject: re: Home Schooling

transition said:


Serious note, both my kids did a bit of home schooling, not a lot, didn’t go to regular school on and off quite a bit maybe age 13 or so onward , and both were good kids, quite smart and good company too. Lad later did trade-related tafe stuff and did well at the math and all. Daughter likewise has done well.

good to hear

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Date: 3/11/2013 15:04:45
From: transition
ID: 424322
Subject: re: Home Schooling

Best a person can probably hope for is that kids are well-rounded good company, but perhaps most importantly enjoy their own company. Never quite reconciled were regular school is positioned re that latter thing. I mean if it were a priority as I put it above, would regular school work?

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Date: 3/11/2013 15:18:34
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 424330
Subject: re: Home Schooling

transition said:


Best a person can probably hope for is that kids are well-rounded good company, but perhaps most importantly enjoy their own company. Never quite reconciled were regular school is positioned re that latter thing. I mean if it were a priority as I put it above, would regular school work?

it should be publicly acknowledged that the education system and even the “8 hour work day agenda” were set in times when there were different demands on the individual and the state. Both need to be re-appraised and made contemporary.

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Date: 3/11/2013 15:22:28
From: transition
ID: 424334
Subject: re: Home Schooling

>Both need to be re-appraised and made contemporary.

I’m going the reverse direction to something folksy, fuck contemporary.

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Date: 3/11/2013 15:24:46
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 424337
Subject: re: Home Schooling

transition said:


>Both need to be re-appraised and made contemporary.

I’m going the reverse direction to something folksy, fuck contemporary.

i meant appropriate to contemporary needs

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Date: 3/11/2013 15:29:07
From: transition
ID: 424341
Subject: re: Home Schooling

>contemporary needs

Oh do I have to. Will the next step be attributing authority to the contemporary social environment and culture.

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Date: 3/11/2013 15:30:36
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 424342
Subject: re: Home Schooling

transition said:


>contemporary needs

Oh do I have to. Will the next step be attributing authority to the contemporary social environment and culture.

no but you might want to pay enough attention to it that you don’t get mown down by progress

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Date: 3/11/2013 15:33:17
From: transition
ID: 424344
Subject: re: Home Schooling

We do like a practical spin on ideological compliance, sort of the civilized AK47.

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Date: 3/11/2013 15:34:00
From: Divine Angel
ID: 424345
Subject: re: Home Schooling

transition said:


We do like a practical spin on ideological compliance, sort of the civilized AK47.

Taught by Wookie?

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Date: 3/11/2013 15:38:11
From: transition
ID: 424348
Subject: re: Home Schooling

>Taught by Wookie?

I can’t think of creative swearword that’d come near that.

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Date: 7/11/2013 12:57:03
From: OCDC
ID: 426780
Subject: re: Home Schooling

transition said:


Serious note, both my kids did a bit of home schooling, not a lot, didn’t go to regular school on and off quite a bit maybe age 13 or so onward , and both were good kids, quite smart and good company too.

Can they construct better sentences than you?

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Date: 7/11/2013 14:03:49
From: Anywho
ID: 426831
Subject: re: Home Schooling

My 14 year old nieces first playground conversation upon arriving in Perth from Ireland:

Girl: “where are you from?”

Niece: “Ireland”

Girl: “we’ll, which fu@king island then?”

Other girl: “does the curtains match the carpet?” (I had to have the meaning of this explained to me lol)

No schooling would be a healthier and more intellectually stimulating environment than some Australia city public schools, and home schooling vastly superior.

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