it struck me after watching something about the british spraying cadium around Norfolk to simulate spread of bio weapons (and the subsequent cancers in the people being sprayed (unknowingly) that perhaps cancer clusters aren’t just statistical anomalies. the americans were after all experimenting with pregnant women by injecting them with radioactive isotopes to see what would happen to the foetus.

as a point of thought it made me wonder if the ABC studio was actually hit with a bio weapon to see what would happen, it could be that the ABC studio per se wasn’t the sole target but rather had been dusted with something that had affected the whole area?

Earlier this year, a panel of independent experts stated that the high incidence of breast cancer among women who had worked in the ABC’s Brisbane newsroom could not be put down to chance. As a result, the Toowong site was permanently closed down and all production facilities relocated. This major upheaval was due to fears that the site was host to a ‘cancer cluster’; a greater than expected number of cancer cases within a particular environment

Cancer is, of course, a very common disease, but the official recognition of a cancer cluster is extremely rare. So, what is a cluster? Why is it so hard to prove and why is it even harder to pin down its cause?

Maryanne Demasi investigates what science is doing to help explain.
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s2056788.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
Human radiation experiments

Researchers in the United States have performed thousands of human radiation experiments to determine the effects of atomic radiation and radioactive contamination on the human body, generally on people who were poor, sick, or powerless. Most of these tests were performed, funded, or supervised by the United States military, Atomic Energy Commission, or various other US federal government agencies.

The experiments included a wide array of studies, involving things like feeding radioactive food to mentally disabled children or conscientious objectors, inserting radium rods into the noses of schoolchildren, deliberately releasing radioactive chemicals over U.S. and Canadian cities, measuring the health effects of radioactive fallout from nuclear bomb tests, injecting pregnant women and babies with radioactive chemicals, and irradiating the testicles of prison inmates, amongst other things.

Much information about these programs was classified and kept secret. In 1986 the United States House Committee on Energy and Commerce released a report entitled American Nuclear Guinea Pigs : Three Decades of Radiation Experiments on U.S. Citizens. In the 1990s Eileen Welsome’s reports on radiation testing for The Albuquerque Tribune prompted the creation of the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments by executive order of president Bill Clinton, to monitor government tests. It published results in 1995. Welsome later wrote a book called The Plutonium Files.

are you concluding that the ABC incident was intentional? if so this thread should be called ‘conspiracy theory testing’ without a doubt

Riff-in-Thyme said:

are you concluding that the ABC incident was intentional? if so this thread should be called ‘conspiracy theory testing’ without a doubt

well based on history, yes. governments are well known to conduct secret testing on the population

the yanks marched 100,000 men through ground zero to see what would happen (then they all started getting cancer)

i’m proposing that the ABC / adjoining area could have been hit by some low level bio weapon that eventually caused the cancer.

by the time anyone realised anyone was dying it would be too late the delivery method would have gone and residue of the agent could have been engineered to have degraded/ evaporated.

the british were driving around in unmarked vans spraying villages so its not unlikely that the agent causing the cancer could have been sprayed inside the building.

lets say you were organising a bio weapon trial – these days it would be much easier to get results, the day you spray you could see exactly who was in the area (everyone has a mobile phone). after spraying you then watch medical records for those names popping up. you let someone else diagnose them in a sort of double blind trial (the doctor doesn’t know that the patient has been exposed to a chemical weapon – all he knows is that the person is sick eg cancer or other )

once the weapon has been dispersed you then stand back and see what will happen

if cancer clusters happen “naturally” then this kind of cluster could be written off as a totally normal thing and blend into the statistics and no one would be the wiser.

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wookiemeister said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

are you concluding that the ABC incident was intentional? if so this thread should be called ‘conspiracy theory testing’ without a doubt

well based on history, yes. governments are well known to conduct secret testing on the population

the yanks marched 100,000 men through ground zero to see what would happen (then they all started getting cancer)

i’m proposing that the ABC / adjoining area could have been hit by some low level bio/ chemical weapon that eventually caused the cancer.

by the time anyone realised anyone was dying it would be too late the delivery method would have gone and residue of the agent could have been engineered to have degraded/ evaporated.

the british were driving around in unmarked vans spraying villages so its not unlikely that the agent causing the cancer could have been sprayed inside the building.

lets say you were organising a bio weapon trial – these days it would be much easier to get results, the day you spray you could see exactly who was in the area (everyone has a mobile phone). after spraying you then watch medical records for those names popping up. you let someone else diagnose them in a sort of double blind trial (the doctor doesn’t know that the patient has been exposed to a chemical weapon – all he knows is that the person is sick eg cancer or other )

once the weapon has been dispersed you then stand back and see what will happen

if cancer clusters happen “naturally” then this kind of cluster could be written off as a totally normal thing and blend into the statistics and no one would be the wiser.

with the bush fire asbestos thing you could record using mobile phone records to see who had been exposed to asbestos and then watch who is rolling in to the doctor a decade later to tell them about a problem with their lungs

it seems to me you could use mobile phone records to record and watch what happens to people who have been exposed to some disaster

there could be a disaster of some sort

it makes me wonder if you could run surreptitious examination of people exposed to different things, all based on mobile phone records. people travelling past known chemical hazards a building known to emit a chemical , you’d just hack into the mobile phone network NSA style and start joining the dots and see who is rolling into medicare and why (you could hack into medicare and steal information)

using this system you could detect if you were under attack by some bio weapon/ chemical weapon/ other

you could predict WHO had been infected by measles/ whooping cough ie you see who known to be infectious has crossed paths with victims. all you’d do is rock up to potential victims and some how slip them vaccines

i’m saying using mobile phone systems you can watch a possible biological / chemical attack in real time.

for example in Syria all the victims with mobile phones would have stopped moving – phones would stop moving – therefore see if anyone in the area was still moving around during the supposed attack

as I have explored before, you could track down infectious people with typhoid or HIV by watching the mobile phone movements, phones that stay together could indicate disease transmission – you could watch real time as people pass on disease.

you could identify carriers by following the breadcrumbs back to the reservoir of the infection

it could be that they are already watching the mobile phone systems for this very thing?

you could use the mobile phone system to track where an enemy was in house to house fighting, when your troops or their troops stop moving then it means they are either setting up an ambush or are dead

if you gave everyone a mobile phone in Africa you could see how disease spreads

by asking the victim when they think they caught it or by relying on doctors reports you could work back and see who has been exposed.

in bushfires you could plot where the fire is as phones suddenly stop or cease transmitting (ie dead)

lets say someone had whooping cough

the doctor takes a phone number right – a mobile phone number

when the whooping cough diagnosis hits the medicare data system this triggers an alert at who ever has hacked into the medicare system

you then see where this person has gone for the last 3 weeks and track who could have been infected, you can then predict who might have become infected simply by proximity and dose eg being on a bus or waiting somewhere

you could then quickly identify hot spots of potential infection and dose the water system with the vaccine or perhaps some cut price food product at local supermarkets that have been laced with the vaccine

you would need a computer to automatically join the dots and sound an alarm HIV diagnosis’ should make a very loud alarm

from the mobile phone records you then see who they have been banging and try to work out how they are going to make a visit to the doctor so they can find out for themselves who has got it

measles

whooping cough

chicken pox

avian flu

SARS

as many people have phones you can then assume other people have been infected and make some judgement about the scale of the problem

you could track someone down who had the flu

you could introduce a flu to the population as a trial run and give human guinea pigs the particular flu, you could watch their mobile phone movements and then watch and see who is getting infected, by these menans you could see the probability of infection and where. using these kinds of trials you could then extrapolate how an infection might spread , how quickly and what kind of exposure mobile phone wise is needed as your infection spread is being monitored by the mobile phone network.

when you visit a doctor they always ask for a contact number, many people will give a mobile phone number

you then hack into the mobile phone network and hack into the medicare system

by then watching their movements you can then predict and prevent further infection

it might be some religious radical, by watching the mobile phone network you can see who he is infecting, these people would then assume to be carriers based on proximity to the reservoir of infection, the longer the phone stays in their vicinity the higher the likelihood of infection

remarkable what you spend your time trying to prove

from an intelligence perspective you can then sort out who is a threat and who isn’t. you can sort out the internet rants to those seriously intending some terror strike

you can work out criminal associations

phones that stay together most likely have connections/ relations

Those things up in the sky aren’t stars, they are holes in the extra terrestrial ceiling, where light is shining through from a cosmic continuum of incandescent brilliance.

Riff-in-Thyme said:

remarkable what you spend your time trying to prove

i’m off to bed

its a thought experiment

I’ve just come up with the idea you can identify and prevent further damage/ infection by using mobile phone records

the beginning of a journey doesn’t always predict the end point

morrie said:

Those things up in the sky aren’t stars, they are holes in the extra terrestrial ceiling, where light is shining through from a cosmic continuum of incandescent brilliance.

sounds like a jack Johnson song

ROFL thread.

no you don’t understand

if you saw my previous topic “sms life saving for Australia” you’d understand

you can use the mobile phone system to prevent and alert people if they have been exposed to someone carrying an easily spread disease, lets say you had someone coughing meningitis all over the public. you could identify potential carriers and stymie the spread of disease.

http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/if-your-heart-stops-in-sweden-a-member-of-the-public-might-help-you-before-an-ambulance

When someone in Stockholm falls into cardiac arrest, the ambulance might show up a few minutes after the nearest person with a cell phone and a CPR certificate. This is a good thing.

“I got a phone call from a number I didn’t recognize at 10pm. A robot said “there has been a cardiac arrest in the vicinity. You’ll get the address via text message.” Next came a text with the address, the name it said on the door, and a Google maps link.

I hesitated for 10-30 seconds because it was so late. My girlfriend said, “Just do it.” I imagined being unable to sleep, thinking what would happen because of my inaction. Then I threw on a pair of shoes and ran out the door.

When I was on the right block, there was an ambulance speeding down the street, but it was going the wrong way, probably because of confusing signs in that neighborhood. I knew how to navigate it though.

I got there just after a girl who also turned out to be an SMS life saver. She had been in the street, waving at the ambulance when it went by. One other guy had started CPR, but I jumped in and took over. It was only about 20-40 seconds before the ambulance and police approached. Once they took over I just sort of left and went home.

I don’t know if he survived, and I don’t know if I want to find out. I hope what little I did contributed to saving his life.”

sounds like a good way to practice some CPR , i’m always a bit sad I’ve never needed to do it

the only real chance I had was ages ago and the bloke had been dead for hours (you wouldn’t put your lips on his unless you wanted a disease)

wookiemeister said:

sounds like a good way to practice some CPR , i’m always a bit sad I’ve never needed to do it

I am quite happy I have not needed to use my (basic) CPR skills for real.

However, the constant practice does increase the confidence required for dealing with ‘situations’ that don’t require CPR but still need someone to step in and actually do stuff, such as getting a collapsed patient from the middle of a busy city intersection or conversing with someone and organising a cup of tea for them to get their mind off the damage being bandaged up.

the original idea was that the cancer clusters might not be as prevalent as we might think ie not as statistically prevalent as we might think – they might be caused by something and manifest as an anomaly that is ‘normal’

morrie said:

Those things up in the sky aren’t stars, they are holes in the extra terrestrial ceiling, where light is shining through from a cosmic continuum of incandescent brilliance.

A bit of bog and a coat of paint and I can have that ceiling looking like new with no light sneaking through the gaps to spoil the look…

Perhaps the natural radiation levels are so low and the people so well looked after and protected that their immune systems and apoptosis + regeneration didn’t do the sweep and recovery procedures so well. I could suggest other possibilities but some of them might seem perhaps (more) insensitive.

Of course I’m being less than half serious while being serious in a minor way about wild speculation, not that I mind wild speculation, but if a thought in a brain had any similarity to getting a root in a brothel, where would one look.

Faulty monitor somewhere with HV x-ray protection fault?