Date: 14/11/2013 17:51:54
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 430832
Subject: Pedantamonium!

The internet has provided a safe haven for the ‘less than popular’ social pedant. Those who enjoy the pastime can now do so without constant concern for encountering a fast moving stapler or paperweight to the face.

I cannot claim that I haven’t given in to the urge to correct another persons language or assumptions, but I have the philosophy that personal standards of correctness are for the individual to resolve. Unless I’m trying to bug someone I’ll only correct what I think necessary to correct. I believe this is the general attitude of the population in most circumstance. Pedantry, especially in private conversational language, isn’t particularly vital to progress.

Public discourse is a different matter, as is intellectual debate. In the case of intellectual debate, not pedantically applying pedantry might only slow the progress being made on the subject addressed. Public discourse is another matter. The intention and result of public discourse is the creation and application of the rule of law, or as it might be perceived by those of a less anxious nature, to develop a functional system of communal management.

In Law, pedantry is used to eliminate confusion and facilitate certainty. The fact that laws are limited to that which they verbally specify and cannot be applied with generic and sweeping translations is generally considerable as a positive example of pedantry.

In politics pedantry is a curse. It is not used for providing clarity but for blurring the lines. It is used in debate and political media to confuse and misdirect issues. Politics has a(n in)famously proud history of the proponents ability to deceive, divide(but only into two opposing masses that are far more likely to fall over each other then give up and go home before ever being of any threat to the person who both ‘represented’ them and started the fight) and conquer(yay!). Rather than fostering a progressive culture that attempts to conform to the legislations that govern it, the political arena clings to ingrained philosophies that originated as methods to avoid large scale violence or public knowledge thereof. Politics is inclined in practice, to seek methods of circumventing law or coercing the publics response. Rather than the diplomat being the arbiter between the law and the populace he is the devil’s advocate. And it all essentially comes down to an ingrained boys smoking room club culture that probably predates written history by a fair way.

The public’s avenue of redress to the deployment of “the club’s bag of dirty tricks” is, naturally, the law. Which should seem logical on so many levels including environmental. Today, the greater population of the world either harbors genuine animosity toward the political assembly, or are disillusioned with the effectiveness of democracy. It is easier to ‘evict a head’ than it is to effect change to the political culture. Ignorance toward, or even ‘opposition to the system’ is just as ingrained in the population, ergo socialism/communism.

Reform to government has provided enough to soothe the public ire for a long time, but communication on todays scale provides the public a means to become restless on a scale unprecedented. Can the ‘bag of tricks’ evolve quickly enough to keep up with the internet and twitter? Not in response time. Johnny ‘bowls ‘em short’ H is probably doing a heads of government lecture tour on how to do ‘Be Alert, Not Alarmed’.

Which pretty well brings this to finding out if there was more to this than a big fat lead into a half arsed one-liner. Are there answers that don’t go round in colorfully flaming circles?

If we’re talkin about reforming a culture then we’re talkin about talking, (‘n I don’t wanna hear ya doin “ThaT” do I, Mario?). Words convey perceptions and curry(or curdle) our cultures.

If your the average Mario feeling roughed up by the system, you can choose to remain silent or you can hope what you allow yourself to talk about doesn’t get you upside down in a dumpster. Political antics and diversionary tactics are as irritating as conversational pedantry without any general consensus of who is being spoken to, who is being corrected and who is being taken for a ride. The rule of roundabout politics is someone always gets stabbed in the back. Not that pedantry hasn’t served a positive purpose in our evolution. Attention to detail has resolved many issues and built a history that we can learn from, to say the least.

And saying the least is what this about. So I’ll say no more. Except this to ask this. What does authority mean?

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Date: 14/11/2013 18:15:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 430835
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

Since no-one else has said it:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

If your the average Mario

you’re

:)

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Date: 14/11/2013 18:53:48
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 430845
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

What does authority mean?
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He who win’s the war writes the History…

It’s a Purported acclaim to or by the Author.

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Date: 14/11/2013 19:07:56
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 430852
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

…the urge to correct another persons language or assumptions…

if they’re wrong then i’ll correct them i can. how else is one to learn if they are not?

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Date: 14/11/2013 19:13:38
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 430856
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

ChrispenEvan said:


…the urge to correct another persons language or assumptions…

if they’re wrong then i’ll correct them i can. how else is one to learn if they are not?

I wasn’t making any greater point about casual conversation

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Date: 14/11/2013 19:13:56
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 430857
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

if they’re wrong then i’ll correct them i can. how else is one to learn if they are not?
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WTF?

Would you like to try again…

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Date: 14/11/2013 19:16:34
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 430859
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

i wasn’t talking about casual conversations only either.

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Date: 14/11/2013 19:17:49
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 430860
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

Would you like to try again…

sorry if my sentence structure is too complex for you. though to me it looks straightforward enough.

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Date: 14/11/2013 19:19:52
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 430862
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

if. better?

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Date: 14/11/2013 19:23:49
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 430865
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

sorry if my sentence structure is too complex for you. though to me it looks straightforward enough.
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I now think this is a test to see how many posts into a Pedant thread does it take for a pedantic argument to break out.

Obviously yore the fall guy…

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Date: 14/11/2013 19:29:49
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 430870
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

Mr Ironic said:

sorry if my sentence structure is too complex for you. though to me it looks straightforward enough.
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I now think this is a test to see how many posts into a Pedant thread does it take for a pedantic argument to break out.

Obviously yore the fall guy…

on to the main event?

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Date: 14/11/2013 19:36:48
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 430875
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

if. better?
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As far as odds go… Yes but no.

how else is one to learn if they are not?
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While the meaning is clear…

How again does the teacher learn by informing the uninformed?

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Date: 14/11/2013 20:10:22
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 430892
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

And back to the point…

Attention to detail has resolved many issues and built a history that we can learn from, to say the least.
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Yes, the difference between the Sun revolving around us or us around the Sun…

Compared with, the above, playing the player for points, demonstrates yore oldie ideals.

As you said, It can be important to be pedantic but not so much to be pedantic to belie importance…

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Date: 15/11/2013 00:20:35
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 431123
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

The Rev Dodgson said:


Since no-one else has said it:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

If your the average Mario

you’re

:)

I also included a surplus ‘this’ in the last paragraph

:P

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Date: 16/11/2013 11:33:00
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 431755
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

>>>standards of correctness ???

Isn’t “correct” an absolute? isn’t something either correct or incorrect?, like this “political correctness” crap, which is just a ploy to supress the truth, if you have facts which negate crap which is being pedalled by some loony, then “political correctness” is invoked so the damaging facts can’t be presented.

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Date: 16/11/2013 11:39:21
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 431756
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

bob(from black rock) said:


>>>standards of correctness ???

Isn’t “correct” an absolute? isn’t something either correct or incorrect?, like this “political correctness” crap, which is just a ploy to supress the truth, if you have facts which negate crap which is being pedalled by some loony, then “political correctness” is invoked so the damaging facts can’t be presented.

moral correctness is subjective

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Date: 16/11/2013 11:45:33
From: Tamb
ID: 431759
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

Riff-in-Thyme said:


bob(from black rock) said:

>>>standards of correctness ???

Isn’t “correct” an absolute? isn’t something either correct or incorrect?, like this “political correctness” crap, which is just a ploy to supress the truth, if you have facts which negate crap which is being pedalled by some loony, then “political correctness” is invoked so the damaging facts can’t be presented.

moral correctness is subjective

I agree with Bob about PCness.
As for correct being an absolute.
It’s correct to say a platypus is a mammal but it’s more correct to say it is a monotreme.

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Date: 16/11/2013 11:54:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 431761
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

bob(from black rock) said:


>>>standards of correctness ???

Isn’t “correct” an absolute? isn’t something either correct or incorrect?, like this “political correctness” crap, which is just a ploy to supress the truth, if you have facts which negate crap which is being pedalled by some loony, then “political correctness” is invoked so the damaging facts can’t be presented.

Sometimes “political correctness” is used in that way, but the great majority of times people complain about “political correctness” it is as a way of avoiding a truth that they find inconvenient.

As for things being either correct or incorrect, no, the great majority of statements on any subject have degrees of correctness.

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Date: 16/11/2013 11:57:41
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 431762
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

Tamb said:


Riff-in-Thyme said:

bob(from black rock) said:

>>>standards of correctness ???

Isn’t “correct” an absolute? isn’t something either correct or incorrect?, like this “political correctness” crap, which is just a ploy to supress the truth, if you have facts which negate crap which is being pedalled by some loony, then “political correctness” is invoked so the damaging facts can’t be presented.

moral correctness is subjective

I agree with Bob about PCness.
As for correct being an absolute.
It’s correct to say a platypus is a mammal but it’s more correct to say it is a monotreme.

I would suggest “it is more accurrate” or “more specific” to say it is a monotreme?

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Date: 16/11/2013 12:10:33
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 431767
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

The Rev Dodgson said:


bob(from black rock) said:

>>>standards of correctness ???

Isn’t “correct” an absolute? isn’t something either correct or incorrect?, like this “political correctness” crap, which is just a ploy to supress the truth, if you have facts which negate crap which is being pedalled by some loony, then “political correctness” is invoked so the damaging facts can’t be presented.

Sometimes “political correctness” is used in that way, but the great majority of times people complain about “political correctness” it is as a way of avoiding a truth that they find inconvenient.

2+2=4 correct
2+2=5 incorrect
2+2 approx=5 inaccurate, or approx correct, but not correct
As for things being either correct or incorrect, no, the great majority of statements on any subject have degrees of correctness.

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Date: 16/11/2013 12:14:52
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 431769
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

neither is it brain engineering…..

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Date: 16/11/2013 13:50:08
From: PermeateFree
ID: 431826
Subject: re: Pedantamonium!

Tamb said:


Riff-in-Thyme said:

bob(from black rock) said:

>>>standards of correctness ???

Isn’t “correct” an absolute? isn’t something either correct or incorrect?, like this “political correctness” crap, which is just a ploy to supress the truth, if you have facts which negate crap which is being pedalled by some loony, then “political correctness” is invoked so the damaging facts can’t be presented.

moral correctness is subjective

I agree with Bob about PCness.
As for correct being an absolute.
It’s correct to say a platypus is a mammal but it’s more correct to say it is a monotreme.

Monotremes (from the Greek μονός monos “single” + τρῆμα trema “hole”, referring to the cloaca) are mammals that lay eggs (Prototheria) instead of giving birth to live young like marsupials (Metatheria) and placental mammals (Eutheria). The only surviving examples of monotremes are all indigenous to Australia and New Guinea, although there is evidence that they were once more widespread. Among living mammals they include the platypus and four species of echidnas (or spiny anteaters); there is debate regarding monotreme taxonomy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotreme

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