What was there, obviously nothing but it seems impossible to understand or explain.
Has anyone had a serious attempt to give an explanation that we can get our heads around.
I don’t think there is a rational scientific explanation, I think it will forever be the drunken uncle who we are not allowed to talk about.
Peak Warming Man said:
What was there, obviously nothing but it seems impossible to understand or explain.Has anyone had a serious attempt to give an explanation that we can get our heads around.
I don’t think there is a rational scientific explanation, I think it will forever be the drunken uncle who we are not allowed to talk about.
expansion and contraction.. breathe in, breathe out.
No one know my Lord, no one.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
What was there, obviously nothing but it seems impossible to understand or explain.Has anyone had a serious attempt to give an explanation that we can get our heads around.
I don’t think there is a rational scientific explanation, I think it will forever be the drunken uncle who we are not allowed to talk about.
expansion and contraction.. breathe in, breathe out.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
What was there, obviously nothing but it seems impossible to understand or explain.Has anyone had a serious attempt to give an explanation that we can get our heads around.
I don’t think there is a rational scientific explanation, I think it will forever be the drunken uncle who we are not allowed to talk about.
expansion and contraction.. breathe in, breathe out.
I’m talking about before the first yo.
Witty Rejoinder said:
No one know my Lord, no one.
Well yes, quite.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
What was there, obviously nothing but it seems impossible to understand or explain.Has anyone had a serious attempt to give an explanation that we can get our heads around.
I don’t think there is a rational scientific explanation, I think it will forever be the drunken uncle who we are not allowed to talk about.
expansion and contraction.. breathe in, breathe out.
I’m talking about before the first yo.
yo = yolk?
try breaking eggs.>>try examining your pulse from an altered state.
I was hoping we might get something a little better than that.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>try examining your pulse from an altered state.I was hoping we might get something a little better than that.
There is none as is will always be.
if not, we are all dead motherfuckers.
can you not grok that the universe breathes?
it goes in and out and in and out..
momma has a squeeze box and daddy doesn’t sleep at night.I expect that before the Big Bang, there was a rohypnol in a Bloody Mary……..
If at first you are confused by your reckoning of the mathematics of the whole.. then consider addition and subtraction as divisible.
Riff-in-Thyme said:
I expect that before the Big Bang, there was a rohypnol in a Bloody Mary……..
Thence we would all be non-compus mentus.
roughbarked said:
Riff-in-Thyme said:
I expect that before the Big Bang, there was a rohypnol in a Bloody Mary……..
Thence we would all be non-compus mentus.
No. Just likely not to be aware when we are being screwed………
Riff-in-Thyme said:
roughbarked said:
Riff-in-Thyme said:
I expect that before the Big Bang, there was a rohypnol in a Bloody Mary……..
Thence we would all be non-compus mentus.
No. Just likely not to be aware when we are being screwed………
and so what is different?
Peak Warming Man said:
What was there, obviously nothing but it seems impossible to understand or explain.Has anyone had a serious attempt to give an explanation that we can get our heads around.
I don’t think there is a rational scientific explanation, I think it will forever be the drunken uncle who we are not allowed to talk about.
There was a TV Science program where they had several concepts as to that period of time. Can’t remember them all, but the one I liked was an expanding universe, which via gravity eventually contracts to a massive black hole that explodes to recreate the Big Bang and so on to be ever repeated.
whatever there was, we are causally disconnected from it… so we can’t confirm any predictions even if we had any…
Witty Rejoinder said:
No one know my Lord, no one.
Seeing as someone’s already said that, I ‘ll say something else.
It’s not obvious to me that there was nothing before the big bang. It seems to me quite plausible that there was something, much like what came after the big bang, or maybe something quite different.
What is not obvious to me is how it might be investigated.
PermeateFree said:
Peak Warming Man said:
What was there, obviously nothing but it seems impossible to understand or explain.Has anyone had a serious attempt to give an explanation that we can get our heads around.
I don’t think there is a rational scientific explanation, I think it will forever be the drunken uncle who we are not allowed to talk about.
There was a TV Science program where they had several concepts as to that period of time. Can’t remember them all, but the one I liked was an expanding universe, which via gravity eventually contracts to a massive black hole that explodes to recreate the Big Bang and so on to be ever repeated.
breathe in, breathe out…
diddly-squat said:
whatever there was, we are causally disconnected from it… so we can’t confirm any predictions even if we had any…
you have a point and it can’t be the drusgs.
>>There was a TV Science program where they had several concepts as to that period of time.
Well there’s the rub, there was no period or time before the BB.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
No one know my Lord, no one.
Seeing as someone’s already said that, I ‘ll say something else.
It’s not obvious to me that there was nothing before the big bang. It seems to me quite plausible that there was something, much like what came after the big bang, or maybe something quite different.
What is not obvious to me is how it might be investigated.
Oh, I see someone has already said that as well.
The Rev Dodgson said:
try evaluating your respiration.
Witty Rejoinder said:
No one know my Lord, no one.
Seeing as someone’s already said that, I ‘ll say something else.
It’s not obvious to me that there was nothing before the big bang. It seems to me quite plausible that there was something, much like what came after the big bang, or maybe something quite different.
What is not obvious to me is how it might be investigated.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>There was a TV Science program where they had several concepts as to that period of time.Well there’s the rub, there was no period or time before the BB.
Wasn’t there?
Peak Warming Man said:
>>There was a TV Science program where they had several concepts as to that period of time.Well there’s the rub, there was no period or time before the BB.
how are you sure of that?
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:try evaluating your respiration.
Witty Rejoinder said:
No one know my Lord, no one.
Seeing as someone’s already said that, I ‘ll say something else.
It’s not obvious to me that there was nothing before the big bang. It seems to me quite plausible that there was something, much like what came after the big bang, or maybe something quite different.
What is not obvious to me is how it might be investigated.
Why?
in what respect did you expect to gain from opening this thread/thought?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:try evaluating your respiration.Seeing as someone’s already said that, I ‘ll say something else.
It’s not obvious to me that there was nothing before the big bang. It seems to me quite plausible that there was something, much like what came after the big bang, or maybe something quite different.
What is not obvious to me is how it might be investigated.
Why?
have you looked into it?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>There was a TV Science program where they had several concepts as to that period of time.Well there’s the rub, there was no period or time before the BB.
Wasn’t there?
I don’t think so, certainly not time.
Maybe the BB just started time, which allowed movement which allowed chronological events.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>There was a TV Science program where they had several concepts as to that period of time.Well there’s the rub, there was no period or time before the BB.
Wasn’t there?
I don’t think so, certainly not time.
Maybe the BB just started time, which allowed movement which allowed chronological events.
Let’s face it.. your clock has a malfunction on the canon pinion.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:try evaluating your respiration.Why?
have you looked into it?
Yes, I evaluate my respiration for 1 hour every Monday evening.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why?
have you looked into it?
Yes, I evaluate my respiration for 1 hour every Monday evening.
and?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>There was a TV Science program where they had several concepts as to that period of time.Well there’s the rub, there was no period or time before the BB.
Wasn’t there?
I agree Rev but the real issue here is that it’s not t=0 sec we have a problem with, it’s t=10^-42 sec.. there could have been any number of ‘realities’ leading up that point.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>There was a TV Science program where they had several concepts as to that period of time.Well there’s the rub, there was no period or time before the BB.
Wasn’t there?
I don’t think so, certainly not time.
Maybe the BB just started time, which allowed movement which allowed chronological events.
That would seem to be a possibility, but I doubt it is the only one. I don’t know of any evidence that there was no time before the Big Bang, or even what such evidence would look like.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:have you looked into it?
Yes, I evaluate my respiration for 1 hour every Monday evening.
and?
and I don’t see any connection with the question currently under discussion.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Yes, I evaluate my respiration for 1 hour every Monday evening.
and?
and I don’t see any connection with the question currently under discussion.
You don’t?
try breathing out and in..I’d expect you may need to consult the works of Timothy Leary.. from a scientific perspective.
>>or even what such evidence would look like.
I think a google would say there is, I’ll have a look later.
Technically there is no ‘before’ for us, for this universe.
This bubble expanding originated from a single non-repeatable event, which disconnects from whatever, in a way making this universe possible.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>or even what such evidence would look like.I think a google would say there is, I’ll have a look later.
wait until it is breathing out.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>or even what such evidence would look like.I think a google would say there is, I’ll have a look later.
Probably, but it would also say that there isn’t.
transition said:
Technically there is no ‘before’ for us, for this universe.This bubble expanding originated from a single non-repeatable event, which disconnects from whatever, in a way making this universe possible.
ref?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>or even what such evidence would look like.I think a google would say there is, I’ll have a look later.
Probably, but it would also say that there isn’t.
why are you so convinced?
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>or even what such evidence would look like.I think a google would say there is, I’ll have a look later.
Probably, but it would also say that there isn’t.
why are you so convinced?
What do you think I’m so convinced about?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Probably, but it would also say that there isn’t.
why are you so convinced?
What do you think I’m so convinced about?
It’s only words and words are all we have.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:why are you so convinced?
What do you think I’m so convinced about?
It’s only words and words are all we have.
That doesn’t seem to answer my question?
OK.. let us look at it this way..
in perspective.. how many scientists have never taken a step into an altered
state?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What do you think I’m so convinced about?
It’s only words and words are all we have.
That doesn’t seem to answer my question?
and our question was?
what do expect me to think?What I mean is there is no causal chain of events that can be mapped with a continuity that would explain it, because the events themselves made this bubble by tway of disconnect, a non-repeatable event that destroyed the evidence. It’s not like tracing back a fart in the bath, to put it in a more technical way.
roughbarked said:
OK.. let us look at it this way.. in perspective.. how many scientists have never taken a step into an altered
state?
None. We enter an altered state every night.
Unless you mean an altered state induced by drugs other than caffeine, alcohol and tobacco, in which case the answer is probably quite a few.
transition said:
What I mean is there is no causal chain of events that can be mapped with a continuity that would explain it, because the events themselves made this bubble by tway of disconnect, a non-repeatable event that destroyed the evidence. It’s not like tracing back a fart in the bath, to put it in a more technical way.
Ah, but one day they will……………………..the fart I mean.
transition said:
What I mean is there is no causal chain of events that can be mapped with a continuity that would explain it, because the events themselves made this bubble by tway of disconnect, a non-repeatable event that destroyed the evidence. It’s not like tracing back a fart in the bath, to put it in a more technical way.
OK.. we can look at it this way..
My boss(at the time) sat on my back while in summer all I had was a worn working tshirt and he farted.. Yes I could feel his arse pucker and the warm hot breath mixed with wet particulates through my tshirt.. You are trying to tell me that I don’t know what happened or where it came from?The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
OK.. let us look at it this way.. in perspective.. how many scientists have never taken a step into an altered
state?
None. We enter an altered state every night.
Unless you mean an altered state induced by drugs other than caffeine, alcohol and tobacco, in which case the answer is probably quite a few.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:It’s only words and words are all we have.
That doesn’t seem to answer my question?
and our question was?
what do expect me to think?
You asked me why I was so sure of something, without saying what that thing was.
Since the only thing that I have expressed any certainty about today is that you can gather support for a wide variety of opinions by searching the Internet, I don’t know what it is that I am imagined to be sure of.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:That doesn’t seem to answer my question?
and our question was?
what do expect me to think?You asked me why I was so sure of something, without saying what that thing was.
Since the only thing that I have expressed any certainty about today is that you can gather support for a wide variety of opinions by searching the Internet, I don’t know what it is that I am imagined to be sure of.
If that is your perspective.. but I am more about your words, not those of how your perceive the internet works.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:and our question was?
what do expect me to think?You asked me why I was so sure of something, without saying what that thing was.
Since the only thing that I have expressed any certainty about today is that you can gather support for a wide variety of opinions by searching the Internet, I don’t know what it is that I am imagined to be sure of.
If that is your perspective.. but I am more about your words, not those of how your perceive the internet works.
I hate blowing a good line.. remove an r
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You asked me why I was so sure of something, without saying what that thing was.
Since the only thing that I have expressed any certainty about today is that you can gather support for a wide variety of opinions by searching the Internet, I don’t know what it is that I am imagined to be sure of.
If that is your perspective.. but I am more about your words, not those of how your perceive the internet works.
I hate blowing a good line.. remove an r
I think this thread has just disappeared up rb’s black hole.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:If that is your perspective.. but I am more about your words, not those of how your perceive the internet works.
I hate blowing a good line.. remove an r
I think this thread has just disappeared up rb’s black hole.
:) always happy to be of useful entertainment.
OK so before the big bang you possibly drank a bottle or three and maybe snorted a line or two of coke.. possibly rubbed some on your member., rolled a couple of joints for the come down.
Before the Big Bang there was a bottle of Pepsi Max and a packet of Mentos.
Peak Warming Man said:
What was there, obviously nothing but it seems impossible to understand or explain.Has anyone had a serious attempt to give an explanation that we can get our heads around.
I don’t think there is a rational scientific explanation, I think it will forever be the drunken uncle who we are not allowed to talk about.
Well, in Big Bang theory itself, not even time existed before the start of the Big Bang. But bear in mind that BB theory doesn’t address the question of how the universe got into the configuration that it had at the very start of the BB, it only attempts to describe what happened thereafter. And we’re fairly sure that the predictions from General Relativity of the very earliest moments after the BB (on the order of the Planck time) are misleading (if not downright wrong) – we need a theory that unifies General Relativity and quantum physics (aka Quantum Gravity) to properly analyse the physics of such extreme conditions.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_timeline_of_the_Big_Bang
There are some theories that do discuss pre-BB cosmology (notably string cosmology ), but these theories are currently rather tentative and sketchy, and will remain so until we have a decent Quantum Gravity theory to work with.
diddly-squat said:
whatever there was, we are causally disconnected from it… so we can’t confirm any predictions even if we had any…
transition said:
Technically there is no ‘before’ for us, for this universe.This bubble expanding originated from a single non-repeatable event, which disconnects from whatever, in a way making this universe possible.
What bubble are you referring to? Our Hubble volume? Our observable universe? Or the whole thing?
There was trouble in the hubble bubble…
Dropbear said:
There was trouble in the hubble bubble…
For the word had passed around at greater than the speed of light(which isn’t breaking the rules when it is spatial expansion!)
next line please……
Its turtles all the way down.
>Or the whole thing?
Fairly much but the term is to emphasize the disconnection (at least via this physics we operate in and understand from) from what we’d conceive as ‘origin’.
Doubtful it can be reproduced for an understanding even with all the computer power that ever came to be in the future, because ‘the event’ that made what is, is at the expense of that ever being possible.
we can’t recreate the events after the bb but we have pretty good models to tell us what was the most likely progression of events. i see no reason, apart from experimental testing of the theory, of doing the same with the creation event. not being able to test our theories will be the drawback. and that’ll be a technological hurdle.
Probably the infinity, the single point origin of infinite density, were not time bound or space bound in any sense, had no comprehendible thermodynamics, emerged this bubble, oblivioned whatever it originated giving us this universe. Whatever it were before can’t exist now because it is completely transformed (perhaps it could be seen as a dimension shift).
Whatever it were time did not move forward as we conceive this world. Hence you can’t look back the way we understand causal events.
I need an aspirin.
Peak Warming Man said:
What was there, obviously nothing but it seems impossible to understand or explain.Has anyone had a serious attempt to give an explanation that we can get our heads around.
I don’t think there is a rational scientific explanation, I think it will forever be the drunken uncle who we are not allowed to talk about.
There are those that say that the question you pose is philosophical in nature, as there was no time before the Big Bang and so there was nothing to be, before it. They are idiots and simpletons and deserve your scorn.
The correct answer to what was before the Big Bang is “Everything”. Time is what stops everything from happening at once, and as there was no time before the Big Bang, everything happened in that moment before time started, which stopped it all from happening at once.
Its turtles all the way down.
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Yeah it’s a logical conundrum.
Leading contenders are,
Started from nothing…
Started from something that started from something…
Started from something that has always existed…
Started for nothing and will dye a cold heartless, timeless death…
Starts continually in the vain hope of making/finding intelligent life…
Or the obvious logical reasoning,
We don’t posses the logical reasoning to understand.
Before the Big Bang – Loop Quantum Cosmology Explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFcQuEw0oY8
One perspective on your question.
Carmen_Sandiego said:
Peak Warming Man said:
What was there, obviously nothing but it seems impossible to understand or explain.Has anyone had a serious attempt to give an explanation that we can get our heads around.
I don’t think there is a rational scientific explanation, I think it will forever be the drunken uncle who we are not allowed to talk about.
There are those that say that the question you pose is philosophical in nature, as there was no time before the Big Bang and so there was nothing to be, before it. They are idiots and simpletons and deserve your scorn.
The correct answer to what was before the Big Bang is “Everything”. Time is what stops everything from happening at once, and as there was no time before the Big Bang, everything happened in that moment before time started, which stopped it all from happening at once.
What happened before the bb? Tough question.
One theory has it that we cannot see or even think it, just as a flat entity that lives and reproduces on a 2D plane cannot comprehend a 3D cube.
Another theory is that we are in a bubble created when different dimensions touched.
And then there is the “White Hole” theory, which is a bit weird.
Lots of theories, not much evidence.
My own theory is that all the scientists have made a mistake analyzing the scant evidence available, and there wasn’t a big bang at all. This particular theory has more holes than the quantum foam, but at least I can get my head around it.
Kingy said:
What happened before the bb? Tough question.
One theory has it that we cannot see or even think it, just as a flat entity that lives and reproduces on a 2D plane cannot comprehend a 3D cube.
Another theory is that we are in a bubble created when different dimensions touched.
And then there is the “White Hole” theory, which is a bit weird.
Lots of theories, not much evidence.
My own theory is that all the scientists have made a mistake analyzing the scant evidence available, and there wasn’t a big bang at all. This particular theory has more holes than the quantum foam, but at least I can get my head around it.If you have the time the link supplied by ratty one discusses the aspects of your theory. Quite interesting.
From: ratty one
ID: 433110
Subject: re: Before the Big Bang
Before the Big Bang – Loop Quantum Cosmology Explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFcQuEw0oY8