Date: 21/11/2013 01:51:41
From: party_pants
ID: 434607
Subject: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

Did the Space Shuttle ever get out of LEO and get up to the level of geostationary orbit – for any of their satellite launching or repair missions.

Just curious

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Date: 21/11/2013 02:24:03
From: Kingy
ID: 434608
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

As far as I know, the highest altitude that it has reached was to service Hubble at about 550km.
Geostationary satellites orbit at around 36,000km.

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Date: 21/11/2013 02:25:12
From: Stealth
ID: 434609
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

party_pants said:


Did the Space Shuttle ever get out of LEO and get up to the level of geostationary orbit – for any of their satellite launching or repair missions.

Just curious


I am pretty sure the answer is no, but am prepared to be corrected. I believe that some of the Hubble repairs missions were the hardest to get to, and no safety back-up.

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Date: 21/11/2013 02:36:36
From: Kingy
ID: 434610
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

From elsewhere on the internet:

The shuttle is nowhere near capable of getting out of Earth orbit. To do that requires a speed of 25,000mph, but the shuttle is capable of not much more than 17,500mph, and it takes every drop of fuel in the external tank, plus the solid rocket boosters, plus a little kick from the orbital manoeuvring engines to reach that speed.

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Date: 21/11/2013 02:39:51
From: Stealth
ID: 434611
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

Kingy said:


From elsewhere on the internet:

The shuttle is nowhere near capable of getting out of Earth orbit. To do that requires a speed of 25,000mph, but the shuttle is capable of not much more than 17,500mph, and it takes every drop of fuel in the external tank, plus the solid rocket boosters, plus a little kick from the orbital manoeuvring engines to reach that speed.


I wonder what that means exactly. Can’t get out of LEO… or can’t leave Earths orbit entirely… Technically Apollo was still in Earth orbit but of course was a shedload higher than LEO or GSO.

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Date: 21/11/2013 02:40:59
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 434612
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

Kingy said:


From elsewhere on the internet:

The shuttle is nowhere near capable of getting out of Earth orbit. To do that requires a speed of 25,000mph, but the shuttle is capable of not much more than 17,500mph, and it takes every drop of fuel in the external tank, plus the solid rocket boosters, plus a little kick from the orbital manoeuvring engines to reach that speed.

Say someone, somehow put a full external tank in orbit for a shuttle to link up with. What range would a shuttle have in orbit, with a fully loaded external tank?

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Date: 21/11/2013 02:42:20
From: Stealth
ID: 434613
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

Riff-in-Thyme said:


Kingy said:

From elsewhere on the internet:

The shuttle is nowhere near capable of getting out of Earth orbit. To do that requires a speed of 25,000mph, but the shuttle is capable of not much more than 17,500mph, and it takes every drop of fuel in the external tank, plus the solid rocket boosters, plus a little kick from the orbital manoeuvring engines to reach that speed.

Say someone, somehow put a full external tank in orbit for a shuttle to link up with. What range would a shuttle have in orbit, with a fully loaded external tank?


By range do you mean ‘how far away from Earth could it get’ or does it still have to return safely?

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Date: 21/11/2013 02:49:38
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 434614
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

Stealth said:


Riff-in-Thyme said:

Kingy said:

From elsewhere on the internet:

The shuttle is nowhere near capable of getting out of Earth orbit. To do that requires a speed of 25,000mph, but the shuttle is capable of not much more than 17,500mph, and it takes every drop of fuel in the external tank, plus the solid rocket boosters, plus a little kick from the orbital manoeuvring engines to reach that speed.

Say someone, somehow put a full external tank in orbit for a shuttle to link up with. What range would a shuttle have in orbit, with a fully loaded external tank?


By range do you mean ‘how far away from Earth could it get’ or does it still have to return safely?

Returning safely would be optimal. What speed could a new tank achieve for a shuttle already travelling at 17000 km’s/h? What is the potential total burn time available from an external tank?

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Date: 21/11/2013 02:57:57
From: Stealth
ID: 434615
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

Riff-in-Thyme said:


Stealth said:

Riff-in-Thyme said:

Say someone, somehow put a full external tank in orbit for a shuttle to link up with. What range would a shuttle have in orbit, with a fully loaded external tank?


By range do you mean ‘how far away from Earth could it get’ or does it still have to return safely?

Returning safely would be optimal. What speed could a new tank achieve for a shuttle already travelling at 17000 km’s/h? What is the potential total burn time available from an external tank?


8min burn time from memory. I would guess a doubling of speed, maybe slightly more. No atmosphere and lower gravity would increase the acceleration compared to launch, but no SRBs would reduce it.

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Date: 21/11/2013 03:04:07
From: Riff-in-Thyme
ID: 434616
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

Stealth said:


Riff-in-Thyme said:

Stealth said:

By range do you mean ‘how far away from Earth could it get’ or does it still have to return safely?

Returning safely would be optimal. What speed could a new tank achieve for a shuttle already travelling at 17000 km’s/h? What is the potential total burn time available from an external tank?


8min burn time from memory. I would guess a doubling of speed, maybe slightly more. No atmosphere and lower gravity would increase the acceleration compared to launch, but no SRBs would reduce it.

Makes sense. I’ll be grateful when flight engines only require batteries.

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:10:42
From: Obviousman
ID: 435807
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

Boost is just one part of the equation. Think about numerous other factors.

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:12:23
From: dv
ID: 435811
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

party_pants said:


Did the Space Shuttle ever get out of LEO and get up to the level of geostationary orbit – for any of their satellite launching or repair missions.

Just curious

no

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:12:32
From: wookiemeister
ID: 435812
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:14:17
From: party_pants
ID: 435818
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

dv said:


party_pants said:

Did the Space Shuttle ever get out of LEO and get up to the level of geostationary orbit – for any of their satellite launching or repair missions.

Just curious

no

Thanks.

I thought this was the case.

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:16:15
From: Skunkworks
ID: 435824
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

dv said:


party_pants said:

Did the Space Shuttle ever get out of LEO and get up to the level of geostationary orbit – for any of their satellite launching or repair missions.

Just curious

no

They refused to listen to visionaries like BC who had it all worked out, unlike those NASA negative ninnies and naysayers.

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:20:04
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 435831
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

the question as to whether the ISS could be flown to mars or the moon has been asked again at sci-forums.

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:24:41
From: dv
ID: 435838
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

ChrispenEvan said:


the question as to whether the ISS could be flown to mars or the moon has been asked again at sci-forums.

Did the answer change?

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:24:50
From: Obviousman
ID: 435839
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

I think the highest altitude the Shuttle ever flew was about 620km, from memory… remembering that orbits may not necessarily be circular.

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:26:18
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 435844
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

ChrispenEvan said:


the question as to whether the ISS could be flown to mars or the moon has been asked again at sci-forums.

Was it our space cadet?

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:26:51
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 435846
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

only one answer so far. possible yes, practical no.

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:28:08
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 435849
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

it was PWM.

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:31:38
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 435855
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

remembering that orbits may not necessarily be straight.
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Fixed.

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:32:53
From: dv
ID: 435859
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

Basically, you can do it: it’s just a lot more expensive and troublesome than the other options.

You could sent the Costa Victoria to Mars if suitably motivated.

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:34:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 435862
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

ChrispenEvan said:


it was PWM.

Hehe, he’s all theirs.

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Date: 22/11/2013 20:37:51
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 435867
Subject: re: NASA Space Shuttle orbit

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