Jupiter’s signature Great Red Spot is sort of the Doctor Who of storms: It just won’t die — even when it has been proven that it must die. And now, for the first time, some fluid dynamicists have finally hit on some of the secrets to the giant storm’s longevity.

“It’s the largest, most enduring storm in the solar system,” said Philip Marcus of University of California, Berkeley, in a presentation at the meeting of the American Physical Society’s fluid dynamics division in Pittsburgh on Monday.

The Red Spot is about 24,000 km across, east to west, 12,000 km from north to south, and a mere 40 km deep. Its wind are roaring around at about 225 miles per hour and this incredible monster has been observed from Earth almost continuously for at least 150 years, he said. But based on all the modeling that’s been done to try and explain the Red Spot, it just isn’t possible.
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The discovery of the causes of the Red Spot’s longevity could also help explain some other natural vortices that also last far longer they they ought to, said Marcus. One of them is large, long-lived oceanic eddies, he said. Another are what are called “zombie vortices” that play a role in the formation of stars and planets.

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This article allows me to re-visit a question I brought up on SSSF regarding predictable regularities of massive convective bodies. I will supply the questions I can reference to this in my next post…

Riff-in-Thyme said:

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The discovery of the causes of the Red Spot’s longevity could also help explain some other natural vortices that also last far longer they they ought to, said Marcus. One of them is large, long-lived oceanic eddies, he said. Another are what are called “zombie vortices” that play a role in the formation of stars and planets.

I have previously submitted that the surface features now present at the three sites of the Mariana Trench feature, the mediterranean tectonic intersection and the Yellowstone-Hawaii volcanic venting system are a consistent feature of massive body formation and that Jupiter’s GRS is a relative feature to Earth’s Marianis trench.

I also submitted that these are related respectively to the electron/proton/neutron balance/content of the specific massive body.

To begin with I would here define this relationship as being imposed by the SR relationship between electrons and protons and that it is this bond that defines an atom that exerts the defining pressure in the fluid dynamics of massive bodies, both in convection and subsequent EM generation.

> It just won’t die

It’s changed colour, and if I remember correctly has shrunk.

> based on all the modeling that’s been done to try and explain the Red Spot, it just isn’t possible.

One of the challenges in computational fluid dynamics is finding the correct turbulence model for handling weak vortexes. It’s well known that getting a perfect turbulence model is impossible, and weak vortexes, such as Jupiter’s great red spot is one of the places where current turbulence models are known to fail.

>>based on all the modeling that’s been done to try and explain the Red Spot, it just isn’t possible.

Therefore, the modelling is wrong.

Riff-in-Thyme said:

I have previously submitted that the surface features now present at the three sites of the Mariana Trench feature, the mediterranean tectonic intersection and the Yellowstone-Hawaii volcanic venting system are a consistent feature of massive body formation and that Jupiter’s GRS is a relative feature to Earth’s Marianis trench.

I also submitted that these are related respectively to the electron/proton/neutron balance/content of the specific massive body.

To begin with I would here define this relationship as being imposed by the SR relationship between electrons and protons and that it is this bond that defines an atom that exerts the defining pressure in the fluid dynamics of massive bodies, both in convection and subsequent EM generation.

I can’t think of a way to illustrate this observation without turning the interior of a massive convenctive body into Bose-Einstein Condensate.

no fair!!!! :(