Date: 15/12/2013 04:00:27
From: Soso
ID: 449578
Subject: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-12/14/c_132968305.htm
BEIJING, Dec. 14 (Xinhua) — China’s lunar probe Chang’e-3, with the country’s first moon rover onboard, successfully landed on the moon on Saturday night, marking the first time that China has sent a spacecraft to soft land on the surface of an extraterrestrial body.
The lunar probe began to carry out soft-landing on the moon at 9 p.m. Saturday and touched down in Sinus Iridum, or the Bay of Rainbows, 11 minutes later, according to Beijing Aerospace Control Center.
During the process, the probe decelerated from 15 km above the moon, stayed hovering at 100 meters from the lunar surface to use sensors to assess the landing area to avoid obstacles and locate the final landing spot, and descended slowly onto the surface.
The success made China the third country, after the United States and the Soviet Union, to soft-land on the moon.
Date: 15/12/2013 08:22:44
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 449595
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Date: 15/12/2013 11:47:24
From: dv
ID: 449753
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
I haven’t seen any images yet, nor any info on the exact landing spot.
Date: 15/12/2013 11:48:04
From: Arts
ID: 449754
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
that’ll teach me for not checking previous threads..
Date: 15/12/2013 11:50:04
From: Arts
ID: 449757
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
dv said:
I haven’t seen any images yet, nor any info on the exact landing spot.
thisis supposed to be a screen grab
I dunno… looks dodgy
Date: 15/12/2013 11:53:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449762
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
I hope they’ve reminded their people that it’s all been done before, and are not pretending to be trailblazers.
Date: 15/12/2013 11:56:31
From: Angus Prune
ID: 449765
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Meanwhile, Iran claims to have sent a second monkey into space and back.
Date: 15/12/2013 11:57:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 449766
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Angus Prune said:
Meanwhile, Iran claims to have sent a second monkey into space and back.
The spy?
Date: 15/12/2013 11:58:10
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449767
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Copying the West with moon missions (which they can’t really afford) is all very well, but I’ll be more impressed when they copy a little thing called democracy.
Date: 15/12/2013 11:59:42
From: Angus Prune
ID: 449768
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Bubblecar said:
Copying the West with moon missions (which they can’t really afford) is all very well, but I’ll be more impressed when they copy a little thing called democracy.
Maybe they’re waiting till we get it right first.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:00:31
From: Arts
ID: 449770
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Bubblecar said:
Copying the West with moon missions (which they can’t really afford) is all very well, but I’ll be more impressed when they copy a little thing called democracy.
they tried it… but then they got hungry again half an hour later..
Date: 15/12/2013 12:12:46
From: dv
ID: 449778
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Bubblecar said:
Copying the West with moon missions (which they can’t really afford) is all very well, but I’ll be more impressed when they copy a little thing called democracy.
In fairness, I think China can probably afford this …
Date: 15/12/2013 12:13:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449780
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
>In fairness, I think China can probably afford this …
Don’t they have billions of people still living in poverty?
Date: 15/12/2013 12:13:41
From: transition
ID: 449781
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
>Copying the West with moon missions (which they can’t really afford) is all very well, but I’ll be more impressed when they copy a little thing called democracy”
Take it easy car, they are not copying anything. Credit where due.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:15:39
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449783
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
>Take it easy car, they are not copying anything. Credit where due.
So all those US & Ruski moon landers were hoaxes?
Date: 15/12/2013 12:19:59
From: dv
ID: 449787
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Bubblecar said:
>In fairness, I think China can probably afford this …
Don’t they have billions of people still living in poverty?
Not literally billions but let’s say hundreds of millions.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:32:01
From: Angus Prune
ID: 449806
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Bubblecar said:
>In fairness, I think China can probably afford this …
Don’t they have billions of people still living in poverty?
Doesn’t the west?
Date: 15/12/2013 12:34:05
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449810
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Angus Prune said:
Bubblecar said:
>In fairness, I think China can probably afford this …
Don’t they have billions of people still living in poverty?
Doesn’t the west?
Not that severe, no.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:35:37
From: Arts
ID: 449813
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Bubblecar said:
Angus Prune said:
Bubblecar said:
>In fairness, I think China can probably afford this …
Don’t they have billions of people still living in poverty?
Doesn’t the west?
Not that severe, no.
I don’t think that’s true
Date: 15/12/2013 12:36:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449815
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Well it certainly is true, I’m afraid. I’ll look up stats for you later.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:38:08
From: sibeen
ID: 449817
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Angus Prune said:
Bubblecar said:
>In fairness, I think China can probably afford this …
Don’t they have billions of people still living in poverty?
Doesn’t the west?
Does the west even comprise of a billion people?
Date: 15/12/2013 12:38:54
From: dv
ID: 449818
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
sibeen said:
Angus Prune said:
Bubblecar said:
>In fairness, I think China can probably afford this …
Don’t they have billions of people still living in poverty?
Doesn’t the west?
Does the west even comprise of a billion people?
Yes.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:39:26
From: Angus Prune
ID: 449819
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
sibeen said:
Angus Prune said:
Bubblecar said:
>In fairness, I think China can probably afford this …
Don’t they have billions of people still living in poverty?
Doesn’t the west?
Does the west even comprise of a billion people?
Yep. Europe plus USA, easily.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:41:02
From: transition
ID: 449821
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
>So all those US & Ruski moon landers were hoaxes?
Jeeez, car, you’re a fucken independent-minded creature, then you seem to auto-revert to cheap comparison.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:41:09
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449822
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Plenty of stark facts here. Very few Westerners have to live on less than $5 a day, but nearly a billion Chinese are in that category:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China
Date: 15/12/2013 12:41:25
From: Arts
ID: 449823
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
I don’t agree that the poverty in China is ‘worse’ or ‘more severe’ than poverty in Brazil, India .. the numbers might be more.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:44:54
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449826
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
>Jeeez, car, you’re a fucken independent-minded creature, then you seem to auto-revert to cheap comparison.
The Chinese obviously didn’t invent all this technology themselves, not to mention the science behind it. And they’re doing these missions for “national prestige”, a bit of a luxury given their general national circumstances. Taking a critical view is indeed an independent sort of response.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:45:35
From: sibeen
ID: 449827
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Angus Prune said:
sibeen said:
Angus Prune said:
Doesn’t the west?
Does the west even comprise of a billion people?
Yep. Europe plus USA, easily.
A lot of countries in Europe are traditionally not considered part of the west.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:45:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449828
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
>Brazil, India
Not usually regarded as Western nations.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:48:05
From: transition
ID: 449831
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
>The Chinese obviously didn’t invent all this technology themselves, not to mention the science behind it. And they’re doing these missions for “national prestige”, a bit of a luxury given their general national circumstances. Taking a critical view is indeed an independent sort of response”
If the Chinese can develop the technology to contain an environment/atmosphere and grow stuff on the moon they will colonize it or parts of.
Prestige and prowess, you bet.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:50:32
From: pommiejohn
ID: 449832
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
transition said:
If the Chinese can develop the technology to contain an environment/atmosphere and grow stuff on the moon they will colonize it or parts of.
Prestige and prowess, you bet.
They are having enough trouble maintaining the atmosphere at home. Have you seen the pollution in Chinese cities?
Date: 15/12/2013 12:51:30
From: transition
ID: 449833
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
>They are having enough trouble maintaining the atmosphere at home. Have you seen the pollution in Chinese cities?
Yes, cheers for assisting me make my point.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:51:38
From: JudgeMental
ID: 449834
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
personally i prefer just about any science over art. i reckon we need to get rid of all subsidies to artists of whatever persuasion until the day when everybody is living above the poverty line.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:53:15
From: pommiejohn
ID: 449835
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
transition said:
>They are having enough trouble maintaining the atmosphere at home. Have you seen the pollution in Chinese cities?
Yes, cheers for assisting me make my point.
You’re welcome.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:54:06
From: transition
ID: 449836
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
>…the poverty line…”
Whose idefinition of poverty? Is it really a “line”?
Date: 15/12/2013 12:55:43
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 449837
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
transition said:
>…the poverty line…”
Whose idefinition of poverty? Is it really a “line”?
I both Vietnam and China I saw many people living below our poverty line who seemed to me to be a lot happier and content with their lives than most of us.
Date: 15/12/2013 12:57:17
From: Arts
ID: 449838
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
JudgeMental said:
personally i prefer just about any science over art. i reckon we need to get rid of all subsidies to artists of whatever persuasion until the day when everybody is living above the poverty line.
I wholeheartedly disagree.. it’s not arts fault people are living below the poverty line.. it’s economics… blame that.. no one likes it anyway
Date: 15/12/2013 12:58:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449839
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
>If the Chinese can develop the technology to contain an environment/atmosphere and grow stuff on the moon they will colonize it or parts of.
FFS, a government unable to adequately provide for its citizens on Earth is not remotely going to be able to solve the problem by colonising the fucking moon. Your suggestion is madness gone mental.
*and now I really am getting in that bath :) *
Date: 15/12/2013 12:59:43
From: wookiemeister
ID: 449840
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
if only the chinese could build a stadium, that would lift the economy no end
Date: 15/12/2013 13:00:00
From: JudgeMental
ID: 449841
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
i was being a devil’s advocate.
Date: 15/12/2013 13:00:09
From: wookiemeister
ID: 449842
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Skeptic Pete said:
transition said:
>…the poverty line…”
Whose idefinition of poverty? Is it really a “line”?
I both Vietnam and China I saw many people living below our poverty line who seemed to me to be a lot happier and content with their lives than most of us.
right
until you get sick
Date: 15/12/2013 13:01:40
From: Arts
ID: 449843
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
JudgeMental said:
i was being a devil’s advocate.
blame economics
Date: 15/12/2013 13:02:58
From: JudgeMental
ID: 449844
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
yep. that was my point. don’t blame doing science (or art).
Date: 15/12/2013 13:04:03
From: transition
ID: 449845
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
>FFS, a government unable to adequately provide for its citizens on Earth is not remotely going to be able to solve the problem by colonising the fucking moon. Your suggestion is madness gone mental”
Fucken oath it is, now go have that fucken bath.
Date: 15/12/2013 13:07:08
From: JudgeMental
ID: 449846
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
China’s clean air policy
seems as if they are aware of the problem and trying to do something about it. australia doesn’t even have a science minister.
Date: 15/12/2013 13:09:40
From: jjjust moi
ID: 449848
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
JudgeMental said:
China’s clean air policy
seems as if they are aware of the problem and trying to do something about it. australia doesn’t even have a science minister.
That’s because they would probably have to appoint Denis Jensen to the post.
They hate him.
Date: 15/12/2013 14:45:33
From: dv
ID: 449869
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
I think they were a little off target
Date: 15/12/2013 17:07:20
From: Soso
ID: 449918
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Rover has been deployed onto surface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFb1E63AxNI
Date: 15/12/2013 17:13:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 449919
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
i can never understand these videos. why have all that writing on the screen blocking the actual action? watched a couple of minutes then gave up.
Date: 15/12/2013 17:15:36
From: morrie
ID: 449920
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Their ping is about the same as mine I reckon.
Date: 15/12/2013 17:55:09
From: dv
ID: 449931
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
morrie said:
Their ping is about the same as mine I reckon.
dynasty?
Date: 15/12/2013 17:56:14
From: dv
ID: 449932
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Terrible video … kept interspersing it with animation.
Date: 15/12/2013 18:00:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449933
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
We never did get to see any footage from the Lunokhods.
Date: 15/12/2013 18:02:16
From: Divine Angel
ID: 449935
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Bubblecar said:
We never did get to see any footage from the Lunokhods.
They didn’t have YouTube back then.
Date: 15/12/2013 18:04:38
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449937
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Divine Angel said:
Bubblecar said:
We never did get to see any footage from the Lunokhods.
They didn’t have YouTube back then.
Yes but they did take plenty of TV footage. That’s how they were steered, from Earth. But I don’t remember ever seeing any of it. Maybe the quality was too embarrassingly shitty for them to release any.
Date: 15/12/2013 19:08:23
From: Dropbear
ID: 449959
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
As BC would say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR6DaBawsZI
Date: 15/12/2013 19:18:16
From: dv
ID: 449961
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Some video from the Lunokhods for Car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mOF_bOBMWY
I hope this brings closure
Date: 15/12/2013 19:24:00
From: Soso
ID: 449965
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
dv said:
Some video from the Lunokhods for Car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mOF_bOBMWY
I hope this brings closure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mOF_bOBMWY&feature=youtu.be&t=7m05s
How long was that extension cord?
Date: 15/12/2013 19:44:33
From: Bubblecar
ID: 449987
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
dv said:
Some video from the Lunokhods for Car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mOF_bOBMWY
I hope this brings closure
I’ll look at it later. Feeding my face at the moment and I don’t want to get distracted.
Date: 15/12/2013 19:54:54
From: Skunkworks
ID: 449995
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
pfft I bet they said you cant see Gleat Wall.
Date: 15/12/2013 20:31:18
From: Bubblecar
ID: 450042
Subject: re: Chinese on Moon, say you can't see Great Wall after all
Interesting video dv, but none of that was footage from the moon. It’s just all film of testing the vehicle on Earth, somewhere in Kamchatka which was presumed to be similar to the lunar surface.