Date: 24/12/2013 13:51:32
From: dv
ID: 457187
Subject: Turing pardoned

Queen pardons same

Just in the nick of time, I was worried if this had dragged out he may have gone towards self-harm.

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Date: 24/12/2013 14:10:10
From: Bubblecar
ID: 457199
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

Silly charade, really. It’s far too late to kiss him better.

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Date: 24/12/2013 14:11:41
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 457202
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

Some say he was murdered, murdered with a poisoned apple.

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Date: 24/12/2013 14:12:54
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 457205
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

well, at least they’re not locking up people anymore

maybe the queen found out sexuality was natural

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Date: 24/12/2013 14:15:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 457208
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

You’ve got to wonder who he’d upset to receive ‘the full weight of the law’ like that.

It’s not as if he was the only gay in the village. If they’d done the same to every ‘known’ gay male in the UK, they would have had to get a whole new Civil Service.

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Date: 24/12/2013 14:20:33
From: dv
ID: 457213
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

Bubblecar said:


Silly charade, really. It’s far too late to kiss him better.

On one hand, yes.

On the other hand, it is in itself indicative of improved attitudes.

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Date: 24/12/2013 14:25:28
From: morrie
ID: 457219
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

I thought they did this a year ago. It must have been an apology from the PM or something.

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Date: 24/12/2013 14:28:29
From: OCDC
ID: 457221
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

On 10 September 2009, following an Internet campaign, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown made an official public apology on behalf of the British government for “the appalling way he was treated.” In May 2012, a private member’s bill was put before the House of Lords to grant Turing a statutory pardon. In July 2013 it gained government support and the royal prerogative of mercy was granted on 24 December 2013.

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Date: 24/12/2013 17:23:48
From: Soso
ID: 457410
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

What about all the others who had their lives ruined?

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Date: 24/12/2013 17:53:06
From: wookiemeister
ID: 457429
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

I want compensation or some kind of subsidy

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Date: 24/12/2013 17:54:06
From: wookiemeister
ID: 457430
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

I want compensation or some kind of subsidy

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Date: 24/12/2013 21:15:46
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 457633
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

But when he was caught with another man in 1952 he was not only stripped of all his honour and security clearances, he was also chemically castrated.
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Well as nasty as that all is….

What happened to the other fella?

Historical ambiguity?

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Date: 24/12/2013 21:18:30
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 457644
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

And if any are slightly confused by that post…

This will clear it up… from phil.
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Ambiguity is a term, which can be considered in many ways. Some think of it in a certain fashion, while others think of it in a completely different fashion. Still, all the others, who consider it, consider it differently.
Ambiguity is not confusion. Those who are confused by ambiguity are very ambiguous. Ambiguity is something, but only in some sense, whilst in others, it can be considered differently, as it has various historical, categorical, contrarian, agrarian, librarian, social, linguistic, moralistic, religious, litigious, prestigious, prodigious, scientific, naturalistic, existential, espistemological, biological, deontological, geological, atavistic, deterministic, stochastic, elastic, anagocical, allegorical, metaphorical, pragmatic, semiotic, patriotic, memetic, dialectic, eclectic, dyslectic, hectic, apoplectic, abnormal, paranormal, semi-formal and other pretense; if not a combination of none or more of the above and beyond.

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Date: 29/12/2013 19:35:47
From: transition
ID: 460854
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration

“The drug cyproterone acetate has been commonly used for chemical castration throughout Europe. It resembles the drug MPA used in America.

In the United Kingdom, computer scientist Alan Turing, famous for his contributions to mathematics and computer science, was a homosexual who chose to undergo chemical castration in order to avoid imprisonment in 1952. At the time, homosexual acts between males were still illegal and homosexuality was widely considered to be a mental illness that could be treated with chemical castration. Turing experienced side effects such as breast enlargement and bloating of the physique. He died two years later, with the inquest returning a verdict of suicide, although recent research has cast doubt on this result. In 2009, the then British Prime Minister Gordon Brown issued a public apology for the “appalling” treatment of Turing after an online petition seeking the same gained 30,000 signatures and international recognition. He was given a posthumous Royal Pardon in December 2013”

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Date: 30/12/2013 12:18:59
From: Bubblecar
ID: 461092
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

Did security services kill codebreaker Alan Turing for being gay?

PARDONED code-breaker Alan Turing may have been murdered by the security services to stop him leaking information to the Soviets, a leading gay rights campaigner has claimed.

Peter Tatchell has written to Prime Minister David Cameron calling for an inquiry into Turing’s death nearly 60 years ago. The gay computer pioneer, who was instrumental in cracking the Nazi’s Enigma code during the Second World War, died in 1954 after eating a cyanide-laced apple.

An inquest at the time recorded a verdict of suicide. However, Mr Tatchell believes Turing was actually poisoned by British spy chiefs who were worried that his private life combined with an expert knowledge of code breaking, advanced mathematics and computer science put him at high risk of being blackmailed by enemy agents.

His claims come days after Turing received a posthumous royal pardon from the Queen, which overturned a 1952 conviction for homosexuality.

Mr Tatchell said: “The Government should open a new inquiry into the death of Alan Turing, including an investigation into the possibility he was murdered by the security services. The security services would have been very fearful that Turing was vulnerable to blackmail and anxious that he might pass information to the Soviets.

“There was an irrational, paranoid fear that other leading scientists might also aid the Soviets. Although there is no evidence that Turing was murdered by state agents, the fact that this possibility has never been investigated is a major failing. The original inquest was perfunctory and inadequate. Although it is said that he died from eating an apple laced with cyanide, the allegedly fatal apple was never tested for cyanide.

“A new inquiry is long overdue, even if only to dispel any doubts about the true cause of his death.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/450892/Gay-rights-campaigner-calls-for-investigation-into-Alan-Turing-s-death

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Date: 30/12/2013 12:22:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 461093
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

Wouldn’t be the first time that the slogan, loose lips sink ships, was the direct cause of the death or ruination of an innovative mind

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Date: 30/12/2013 14:20:53
From: transition
ID: 461179
Subject: re: Turing pardoned

You know once the bullshit is out there, the job on Turing [family and friends, and gays)was done anyway, the state apparatus killed him.

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