Instead of all this money being swallowed by the government where it will be abused….

Why not keep the 6 dollar surcharge on the bill at the surgery where they are taking the money

That money then goes into paying for new equipment AND a compulsory audit on all medical centres. There will be no excuse then for substandard equipment to be used. You only allow certain equipment to be bought

I remember turning up at one new super clinic place and the South African chappies who owned it had bought all this cheap Chinese crap to save money – most of the blood pressure meters were anywhere to 20 – 50 out!!!

wookiemeister said:

Instead of all this money being swallowed by the government where it will be abused….

Why not keep the 6 dollar surcharge on the bill at the surgery where they are taking the money

That money then goes into paying for new equipment AND a compulsory audit on all medical centres. There will be no excuse then for substandard equipment to be used. You only allow certain equipment to be bought

I remember turning up at one new super clinic place and the South African chappies who owned it had bought all this cheap Chinese crap to save money – most of the blood pressure meters were anywhere to 20 – 50 out!!!

if one could actually buy any medical equipment for $6, that may work.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

Instead of all this money being swallowed by the government where it will be abused….

Why not keep the 6 dollar surcharge on the bill at the surgery where they are taking the money

That money then goes into paying for new equipment AND a compulsory audit on all medical centres. There will be no excuse then for substandard equipment to be used. You only allow certain equipment to be bought

I remember turning up at one new super clinic place and the South African chappies who owned it had bought all this cheap Chinese crap to save money – most of the blood pressure meters were anywhere to 20 – 50 out!!!

if one could actually buy any medical equipment for $6, that may work.

Admin costs would swallow most of the money.

You can value add to the health system by simply removing all the equipment that doesn’t work

wookiemeister said:

You can value add to the health system by simply removing all the equipment that doesn’t work

I’ve built many a machine from medical equipment I founds on the tip.

You could use that money to vaccinate people people wouldn’t normally otherwise

wookiemeister said:

Instead of all this money being swallowed by the government where it will be abused….

Why not keep the 6 dollar surcharge on the bill at the surgery where they are taking the money

That money then goes into paying for new equipment AND a compulsory audit on all medical centres. There will be no excuse then for substandard equipment to be used. You only allow certain equipment to be bought

I remember turning up at one new super clinic place and the South African chappies who owned it had bought all this cheap Chinese crap to save money – most of the blood pressure meters were anywhere to 20 – 50 out!!!

It is kept at the surgery…

Calibrate your own BP machines eh?

wookiemeister said:

You could use that money to vaccinate people people wouldn’t normally otherwise

money has nothing to do with why people don’t vaccinate.

wookiemeister said:

You could use that money to vaccinate people people wouldn’t normally otherwise

With Elvis style helicopters throwing syringes from the skies of Byron Bay…

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

You could use that money to vaccinate people people wouldn’t normally otherwise

With Elvis style helicopters throwing syringes from the skies of Byron Bay…

Actually… um no.. I’ll stop there.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

You could use that money to vaccinate people people wouldn’t normally otherwise

money has nothing to do with why people don’t vaccinate.

True.

Clinics can and do charge their own fees. They are not obliged to bulk-bill. Bulk-billing is their choice.

.. and blah.

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

Instead of all this money being swallowed by the government where it will be abused….

Why not keep the 6 dollar surcharge on the bill at the surgery where they are taking the money

That money then goes into paying for new equipment AND a compulsory audit on all medical centres. There will be no excuse then for substandard equipment to be used. You only allow certain equipment to be bought

I remember turning up at one new super clinic place and the South African chappies who owned it had bought all this cheap Chinese crap to save money – most of the blood pressure meters were anywhere to 20 – 50 out!!!

It is kept at the surgery…

Calibrate your own BP machines eh?

GPs will either use their own uncallibrated sphygmomanometer or use the clinic’s.

Most cases the clinic’s sphygmomanometer will be broken or untrustworthy

Your average clinic is full of museum pieces or cheap Chinese crap

Better places will have newer equipment that’s more expensive but they won’t have liked buying i

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

You could use that money to vaccinate people people wouldn’t normally otherwise

With Elvis style helicopters throwing syringes from the skies of Byron Bay…

Actually… um no.. I’ll stop there.

You’d mix it with some drug so when they get a hit they get vaccinated

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

Instead of all this money being swallowed by the government where it will be abused….

Why not keep the 6 dollar surcharge on the bill at the surgery where they are taking the money

That money then goes into paying for new equipment AND a compulsory audit on all medical centres. There will be no excuse then for substandard equipment to be used. You only allow certain equipment to be bought

I remember turning up at one new super clinic place and the South African chappies who owned it had bought all this cheap Chinese crap to save money – most of the blood pressure meters were anywhere to 20 – 50 out!!!

It is kept at the surgery…

Calibrate your own BP machines eh?

GPs will either use their own uncallibrated sphygmomanometer or use the clinic’s.

Most cases the clinic’s sphygmomanometer will be broken or untrustworthy

Your average clinic is full of museum pieces or cheap Chinese crap

Better places will have newer equipment that’s more expensive but they won’t have liked buying i

Avoid the doctors surgery. Take up thy mattock and plant an apple tree.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

You could use that money to vaccinate people people wouldn’t normally otherwise

money has nothing to do with why people don’t vaccinate.

True.

Joe average knows it costs money to vaccinate

It’s another expense

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

It is kept at the surgery…

Calibrate your own BP machines eh?

GPs will either use their own uncallibrated sphygmomanometer or use the clinic’s.

Most cases the clinic’s sphygmomanometer will be broken or untrustworthy

Your average clinic is full of museum pieces or cheap Chinese crap

Better places will have newer equipment that’s more expensive but they won’t have liked buying i

Avoid the doctors surgery. Take up thy mattock and plant an apple tree.

Just make sure that your ladders are all secured at pruning time.

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

Instead of all this money being swallowed by the government where it will be abused….

Why not keep the 6 dollar surcharge on the bill at the surgery where they are taking the money

That money then goes into paying for new equipment AND a compulsory audit on all medical centres. There will be no excuse then for substandard equipment to be used. You only allow certain equipment to be bought

I remember turning up at one new super clinic place and the South African chappies who owned it had bought all this cheap Chinese crap to save money – most of the blood pressure meters were anywhere to 20 – 50 out!!!

It is kept at the surgery…

Calibrate your own BP machines eh?

GPs will either use their own uncallibrated sphygmomanometer or use the clinic’s.

Most cases the clinic’s sphygmomanometer will be broken or untrustworthy

Your average clinic is full of museum pieces or cheap Chinese crap

Better places will have newer equipment that’s more expensive but they won’t have liked buying i

Just plain Wrong, but meh, being crazy helps maintain the correctness.

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

money has nothing to do with why people don’t vaccinate.

True.

Joe average knows it costs money to vaccinate

It’s another expense

Not an expense at all, in the scheme of things.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

True.

Joe average knows it costs money to vaccinate

It’s another expense

Not an expense at all, in the scheme of things.

Think of it as a form of insurance. Small, sometimes zero, fee now or much more expense if the unvaccinated person contracts the disease.

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

It is kept at the surgery…

Calibrate your own BP machines eh?

GPs will either use their own uncallibrated sphygmomanometer or use the clinic’s.

Most cases the clinic’s sphygmomanometer will be broken or untrustworthy

Your average clinic is full of museum pieces or cheap Chinese crap

Better places will have newer equipment that’s more expensive but they won’t have liked buying i

Just plain Wrong, but meh, being crazy helps maintain the correctness.

I used to go around clinics and test all their crap

I figure that going through many if them I could make a fair assessment

The hospitals are scary when you know various things

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

It is kept at the surgery…

Calibrate your own BP machines eh?

GPs will either use their own uncallibrated sphygmomanometer or use the clinic’s.

Most cases the clinic’s sphygmomanometer will be broken or untrustworthy

Your average clinic is full of museum pieces or cheap Chinese crap

Better places will have newer equipment that’s more expensive but they won’t have liked buying i

Just plain Wrong, but meh, being crazy helps maintain the correctness.

Why not be like this doctor?

SENIOR MEDICINE

A cute little old lady goes to the doctor and says,“Doctor I have this problem 
with gas, but it really doesn’t bother me too much. It never smells and is always 
silent. As a matter of fact I’ve farted at least 10 times since I’ve been here in 
your office. You didn’t know I was farting because it doesn’t smell and is silent.”
The doctor says, “I see. Take these pills and come back to see me next week”.

The next week the lady returns. “Doctor,” she says, “I don’t know what the heck you 

gave me, but now my farts, although still silent, stink terribly”. “Good,” the doctor said. 
“Now that we’ve cleared up your sinuses, let’s work on your hearing.”

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

GPs will either use their own uncallibrated sphygmomanometer or use the clinic’s.

Most cases the clinic’s sphygmomanometer will be broken or untrustworthy

Your average clinic is full of museum pieces or cheap Chinese crap

Better places will have newer equipment that’s more expensive but they won’t have liked buying i

Just plain Wrong, but meh, being crazy helps maintain the correctness.

I used to go around clinics and test all their crap

I figure that going through many if them I could make a fair assessment

The hospitals are scary when you know various things

The things wrong with this are innumerable to be mentioning.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

Just plain Wrong, but meh, being crazy helps maintain the correctness.

I used to go around clinics and test all their crap

I figure that going through many if them I could make a fair assessment

The hospitals are scary when you know various things

The things wrong with this are innumerable to be mentioning.

Relative confidentiality

Some jobs required me to sign confidentiality forms

I’ll stick to wild generalisations

wookiemeister said:

I’ll stick to wild generalisations

As you do.

Medicare, is actually a good idea. The problems are probably more great on the administrative side though.
Poik got it right when he pointed out that $6 would barely cover additional administrative costs.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

I’ll stick to wild generalisations

As you do.

It stops problems

Important stuff can be hanging on a thread

The saving grace is that when something is wrong its usually immediately obvious and has shut itself down

There’s safe guards to stop potential fatalities even if its relatively old

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

I’ll stick to wild generalisations

As you do.

It stops problems

Important stuff can be hanging on a thread

The saving grace is that when something is wrong its usually immediately obvious and has shut itself down

There’s safe guards to stop potential fatalities even if its relatively old

The wildcards can never take credit for the good bits.

The secret to finding a good dentist, medical provider is have a look at the gear they are using

If its old or ragged around the edges go somwhere else

Anyone cutting costs with their equipment has problems

wookiemeister said:

The secret to finding a good dentist, medical provider is have a look at the gear they are using

If its old or ragged around the edges go somwhere else

Anyone cutting costs with their equipment has problems

Are you posting from Zimbabwe?

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

You could use that money to vaccinate people people wouldn’t normally otherwise

money has nothing to do with why people don’t vaccinate.

Yeah, I have met stupid people that are much richer than me…

I’d be surprised if the $6 was NOT kept by the doctor concerned.

I find it hard to imagine that doctors would willingly act as a fee-collectors for the govt, being obliged to hand over 100% of the proceeds to Medicare.

In a former position with a public (govt.) hospital, i used to bill health insurance funds for their members’ stays in the hospital. We could ‘waive’ the excess payable by the patient, and just bill the fund for what they’d pay us.

I could raise $250,000 a month for the hospital that way, and the hospital itself got to keep every penny of it – none handed in to consolidated revenue in Brisbane etc. I could have made a lot more, if some of the nursing and admin people on the wards could have accepted the idea of even enormous medical funds paying for ‘public’ admissions, and not admitted everyone as a non-billable ‘public’ patient.

It’s why hospital foundations (fund raisers) annoy me. If they raise $5,000 once in a while, it’s trumpeted long and loud. I’d often raise $5,000 before morning tea, with no fanfare, and i’d do it for much lower overheads than the foundation.

The $6 fee is just a softener. Too small to get angry about, once it’s accepted it will be increased year after year after year til the patient is paying the bulk of the cost.

It’s what they did with HECS, a fixed $300 p.a. fee came in, so small no-one could be really outraged about it. But the principal was won, that the user should pay, and now they do, and how.

Correct, Soso.

That we have Medicare at all is due entirely to a Labor government. The L/NP did their best to try to begin to dismantle Medibank (as it was then known) back in the 70s, but there was considerable public backlash.

A later ALP govt restored its functions under the name Medicare. The L/NP is apparently of the opinion that it’s time to try again, beginning withthe thin end of the wedge.

Don’t expect the AMA to object to anything which propels us closer to the US-style ‘health system’ – it’s their long-held dream.

And don’t expect any opposition from Gens X and Y, with their consumerist outlook, equating ‘good’ with a high price-tag. If health insurance isn’t expensive, they don’t want it.

The AMA has objected to it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-29/ama-criticises-proposals-for-new-gp-fee/5177522

>And don’t expect any opposition from Gens X and Y

Seems a harsh generational generalisation.

Bubblecar said:

>And don’t expect any opposition from Gens X and Y

Seems a harsh generational generalisation.

Ignorance is bliss, eh.

Bubblecar said:

>And don’t expect any opposition from Gens X and Y

Seems a harsh generational generalisation.

Not incorrect, though?

poikilotherm said:

The AMA has objected to it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-29/ama-criticises-proposals-for-new-gp-fee/5177522

Crocodile tears.

captain_spalding said:

And don’t expect any opposition from Gens X and Y, with their consumerist outlook, equating ‘good’ with a high price-tag. If health insurance isn’t expensive, they don’t want it.

It seems to me that gen Y’s main beef with older generations is that we’ve made house prices too high, so I don’t think your argument holds :)

I’m sure not all poor people are old.

pommiejohn said:

captain_spalding said:

And don’t expect any opposition from Gens X and Y, with their consumerist outlook, equating ‘good’ with a high price-tag. If health insurance isn’t expensive, they don’t want it.

It seems to me that gen Y’s main beef with older generations is that we’ve made house prices too high, so I don’t think your argument holds :)

And that just leaves us to live with you lot, to fold our clothes and make our beds.

I’m almost a Generation X person myself:

Generation X, commonly abbreviated to Gen X, is the generation born after the Western Post–World War II baby boom. Demographers, historians and commentators use beginning birth dates from the early 1960s to the early 1980s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X

pommiejohn said:

captain_spalding said:

And don’t expect any opposition from Gens X and Y, with their consumerist outlook, equating ‘good’ with a high price-tag. If health insurance isn’t expensive, they don’t want it.

It seems to me that gen Y’s main beef with older generations is that we’ve made house prices too high, so I don’t think your argument holds :)

When young people will pay $200 for a pair of poor-quality Asian-made gym shoes just because they have a trendy brand-name stuck on them, they have no grounds to complain about inflated prices.

poikilotherm said:

pommiejohn said:

captain_spalding said:

And don’t expect any opposition from Gens X and Y, with their consumerist outlook, equating ‘good’ with a high price-tag. If health insurance isn’t expensive, they don’t want it.

It seems to me that gen Y’s main beef with older generations is that we’ve made house prices too high, so I don’t think your argument holds :)

And that just leaves us to live with you lot, to fold our clothes and make our beds.

Kids: You spend your life giving them money, and when you die, they get what’s left :)

>When young people will pay $200 for a pair of poor-quality Asian-made gym shoes just because they have a trendy brand-name stuck on them

I’m sure many young people wouldn’t.

captain_spalding said:

When young people will pay $200 for a pair of poor-quality Asian-made gym shoes just because they have a trendy brand-name stuck on them, they have no grounds to complain about inflated prices.

You don’t have to argue with me about that one.

Bubblecar said:

>When young people will pay $200 for a pair of poor-quality Asian-made gym shoes just because they have a trendy brand-name stuck on them

I’m sure many young people wouldn’t.

But there’s enough who will to make the practice profitable. So, it’s not just old folks who keep prices high.

Bubblecar said:

>When young people will pay $200 for a pair of poor-quality Asian-made gym shoes just because they have a trendy brand-name stuck on them

I’m sure many young people wouldn’t.

But there’s enough who will to make the practice profitable. So, it’s not just old folks who keep prices high.

Soso said:

The $6 fee is just a softener. Too small to get angry about, once it’s accepted it will be increased year after year after year til the patient is paying the bulk of the cost.

It’s what they did with HECS, a fixed $300 p.a. fee came in, so small no-one could be really outraged about it. But the principal was won, that the user should pay, and now they do, and how.

I would abolish HECS and make all education free

if we can spend 1 billion on a helicopter that never flew in service we can afford free education

wookiemeister said:

I would abolish HECS and make all education free

if we can spend 1 billion on a helicopter that never flew in service we can afford free education

I say, first degree at uni – no charge, no HECS, nil.

You want further degrees, post-grad, doctorates etc? OK, HECS then.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

I would abolish HECS and make all education free

if we can spend 1 billion on a helicopter that never flew in service we can afford free education

I say, first degree at uni – no charge, no HECS, nil.

You want further degrees, post-grad, doctorates etc? OK, HECS then.

agreed

pommiejohn said:

poikilotherm said:

pommiejohn said:

It seems to me that gen Y’s main beef with older generations is that we’ve made house prices too high, so I don’t think your argument holds :)

And that just leaves us to live with you lot, to fold our clothes and make our beds.

Kids: You spend your life giving them money, and when you die, they get what’s left :)

:)

morrie said:

pommiejohn said:

:)

There’ll be nothing left.

Why? Well, to quote the late great thespian Oliver Reed from one ofhis cinematic ouevres, “Hookers, Billy! Hookers!”.

the other option would be for the government to set up a people’s university

no “chancellors”, vice chancellors and all the other hanger ons earning million dollar wage packets sucking the marrow out the education system, only lecturers – if you don’t lecture/ teach you don’t get a job there

the paperwork system is automated – no army of paperwork shufflers

the people’s uni could be on line and have a small shed somewhere in most towns where face to face teaching could occur

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

>And don’t expect any opposition from Gens X and Y

Seems a harsh generational generalisation.

Not incorrect, though?

Wildly incorrect.

Angus Prune said:

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

>And don’t expect any opposition from Gens X and Y

Seems a harsh generational generalisation.

Not incorrect, though?

Wildly incorrect.

you are now part of generation Wookiemeister

Angus Prune said:

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

>And don’t expect any opposition from Gens X and Y

Seems a harsh generational generalisation.

Not incorrect, though?

Wildly incorrect.

And they’re politically apathetic.

One of the local medical centres is trialling a new system in partnership with Medibank Private. Private health patients (with Medibank) are bulk billed. I don’t know the point of the exercise, the receptionist had no idea what it was about. This particular clinic charges $76 per consult and you get the $30-something Medicare rebate straight away.

Divine Angel said:

One of the local medical centres is trialling a new system in partnership with Medibank Private. Private health patients (with Medibank) are bulk billed. I don’t know the point of the exercise, the receptionist had no idea what it was about. This particular clinic charges $76 per consult and you get the $30-something Medicare rebate straight away.

Competition.

Divine Angel said:

One of the local medical centres is trialling a new system in partnership with Medibank Private. Private health patients (with Medibank) are bulk billed. I don’t know the point of the exercise, the receptionist had no idea what it was about. This particular clinic charges $76 per consult and you get the $30-something Medicare rebate straight away.

good luck to them

I wouldn’t pay that money if I knew there was somewhere else to go

captain_spalding said:

When young people will pay $200 for a pair of poor-quality Asian-made gym shoes just because they have a trendy brand-name stuck on them, they have no grounds to complain about inflated prices.

What do you suggest they buy? The cheap as shit no-brand stuff that literally falls apart after a few months of light use whilst simultaneously giving you irreparable foot and ankle injuries? The handmade European imports that cost thousands? Or the $100-$200 recognisable-brand ones that reliably last a year or two of near-constant use?

Bubblecar said:

I’m almost a Generation X person myself:

Generation X, commonly abbreviated to Gen X, is the generation born after the Western Post–World War II baby boom. Demographers, historians and commentators use beginning birth dates from the early 1960s to the early 1980s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X

Once upon a time, Baby Boomers referred to people born between 1946 and about 1958 – I recall seeing the occasional TV doco about BB’s that featured stuff that was relevant to my older siblings, but a bit before my time (I was born in 1960).

Then Coupland’s “Generation X” book came along and it was decided that they started around 1965. Leapt upon by marketing forces everywhere, it was realised there was a gap between the late 1950s of the last Boomers, and 1965 of the first Xers…..so the Baby Boomer birth period was stretched to include those born up to 1965.

Angus Prune said:

captain_spalding said:

When young people will pay $200 for a pair of poor-quality Asian-made gym shoes just because they have a trendy brand-name stuck on them, they have no grounds to complain about inflated prices.

What do you suggest they buy? The cheap as shit no-brand stuff that literally falls apart after a few months of light use whilst simultaneously giving you irreparable foot and ankle injuries? The handmade European imports that cost thousands? Or the $100-$200 recognisable-brand ones that reliably last a year or two of near-constant use?

Dunlop Volleys. Last for ages, grip well & have inbuilt arch support.

wookiemeister said:

Divine Angel said:

One of the local medical centres is trialling a new system in partnership with Medibank Private. Private health patients (with Medibank) are bulk billed. I don’t know the point of the exercise, the receptionist had no idea what it was about. This particular clinic charges $76 per consult and you get the $30-something Medicare rebate straight away.

good luck to them

I wouldn’t pay that money if I knew there was somewhere else to go

Yes, it’s a bit rich of the AMA to say “oh, the $6 fee might stop some people going to the doctor when they need to” when their members are happy to charge their non-bulk-bill customers some several dozen dollars per visit.

So I’m a belated Baby Boomer entry (born ’59).

Anyway it’s rather absurd criticising young people for being “consumerist” when is it was the generation born in the 1930s and earlier who engineered the huge postwar explosion of Modern Consumer Society (which was in itself simply the full realisation of Victorian industrialist mass-production for mass markets etc, now gone global).

Angus Prune said:

captain_spalding said:

When young people will pay $200 for a pair of poor-quality Asian-made gym shoes just because they have a trendy brand-name stuck on them, they have no grounds to complain about inflated prices.

What do you suggest they buy? The cheap as shit no-brand stuff that literally falls apart after a few months of light use whilst simultaneously giving you irreparable foot and ankle injuries? The handmade European imports that cost thousands? Or the $100-$200 recognisable-brand ones that reliably last a year or two of near-constant use?

maybe someone could make sneakers in Australia

200 + for sneakers ?

seems labour costs would be covered

wookiemeister said:

Angus Prune said:

captain_spalding said:

When young people will pay $200 for a pair of poor-quality Asian-made gym shoes just because they have a trendy brand-name stuck on them, they have no grounds to complain about inflated prices.

What do you suggest they buy? The cheap as shit no-brand stuff that literally falls apart after a few months of light use whilst simultaneously giving you irreparable foot and ankle injuries? The handmade European imports that cost thousands? Or the $100-$200 recognisable-brand ones that reliably last a year or two of near-constant use?

maybe someone could make sneakers in Australia

200 + for sneakers ?

seems labour costs would be covered

I say again Volleys. Black sole $25. Gum sole $50

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Angus Prune said:

What do you suggest they buy? The cheap as shit no-brand stuff that literally falls apart after a few months of light use whilst simultaneously giving you irreparable foot and ankle injuries? The handmade European imports that cost thousands? Or the $100-$200 recognisable-brand ones that reliably last a year or two of near-constant use?

maybe someone could make sneakers in Australia

200 + for sneakers ?

seems labour costs would be covered

I say again Volleys. Black sole $25. Gum sole $50

maybe we would be smart to have a machine making volleys – like a car plant?

nahhhhhhhh

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

maybe someone could make sneakers in Australia

200 + for sneakers ?

seems labour costs would be covered

I say again Volleys. Black sole $25. Gum sole $50

maybe we would be smart to have a machine making volleys – like a car plant?

nahhhhhhhh

The Holden Volley with Chunder pack?

Jewish Rabbi being sued for accidentally SEVERING newborn baby boy’s penis during a circumcision
The child had to have micro-surgery, was in the hospital for two months, and required a blood transfusion

The surgery was ‘successful’ but only time can tell how bad the damage is

Rabbi Mordechai Rosenberg claims he is a ‘trained’ mohel and that having a doctor perform a circumcision is unethical

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530755/Jewish-Rabbi-sued-accidentally-SEVERING-newborn-baby-boys-penis-Bris-Ceremony.html#ixzz2ow4qhg7g
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I normally wear discount-price black leather “business” shoes bought for under $100, which are pretty good quality shoes. The only sports shoes I wear are Dunlop Volleys which are dirt cheap and good enough for my (walking & gardening) purposes.

wookiemeister said:

Jewish Rabbi being sued for accidentally SEVERING newborn baby boy’s penis during a circumcision
The child had to have micro-surgery, was in the hospital for two months, and required a blood transfusion

The surgery was ‘successful’ but only time can tell how bad the damage is

Rabbi Mordechai Rosenberg claims he is a ‘trained’ mohel and that having a doctor perform a circumcision is unethical

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530755/Jewish-Rabbi-sued-accidentally-SEVERING-newborn-baby-boys-penis-Bris-Ceremony.html#ixzz2ow4qhg7g
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Cutting a kids willy off seems a tad more unethical.

Bubblecar said:

I normally wear discount-price black leather “business” shoes bought for under $100, which are pretty good quality shoes. The only sports shoes I wear are Dunlop Volleys which are dirt cheap and good enough for my (walking & gardening) purposes.

Good down the creek too. Non-slip & being canvas they dry quickly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530727/The-bicycle-highway-Plans-unveiled-220m-Skycycle-lets-riders-commute-far-railways-London.html

yes yes yes

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

I would abolish HECS and make all education free

if we can spend 1 billion on a helicopter that never flew in service we can afford free education

I say, first degree at uni – no charge, no HECS, nil.

You want further degrees, post-grad, doctorates etc? OK, HECS then.

agreed

Something we all agree on?

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

I say, first degree at uni – no charge, no HECS, nil.

You want further degrees, post-grad, doctorates etc? OK, HECS then.

agreed

Something we all agree on?

Nup. Let’s try helicopters a second time and hope we get some that work.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

agreed

Something we all agree on?

Nup. Let’s try helicopters a second time and hope we get some that work.

;)