A man in the US has proven that you can eat junk food and still lose weight, after dropping 17 kilos on a McDonald’s only diet.

High school biology teacher John Cisna was so determined to prove to his students that it’s not about what we eat, but rather how much – he went on a self-imposed McDonald’s only diet for three months.

Instead of gaining weight from all the junk food, Mr Cisna ended up losing 17 kilos while his cholesterol dropped from 249 to 170.

Mr Cisna’s experiment aimed to show that we can eat anything as long as we stick to a limit of 2,000 calories per day.

The Iowa-based teacher even got his students to map out his meal plans for him.

During the three-months, Mr Cisna – who never previously exercised or watched his calorie intake – also began walking for 45 minutes a day.

McDonald’s were so impressed with Mr Cisna’s experiment, his local outlet even offered to provide 90 days of meals with no charge.

On a typical day, Mr Cisna would eat a range of ‘healthy’ fast food meals including oatmeal and salad, but he would indulge in a burger with chips and ice cream for dinner.

According to McDonalds, a large Big Mac meal with chips and coke contains 1,170 calories.

Usually, Mr Cisna would balance these heavier meals with lighters options offered at the fast-food restaurant in the US, such as fruit and maple oatmeal which contains only 290 calories.

“The point behind this documentary is – it’s choice. We all have choices,” Mr Cisna told the MailOnline, explaining: “It’s our choices that make us fat, not McDonald’s.”

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/2014/01/06/09/43/man-loses-17-kilos-on-mcdonalds-only-diet

Mr Cisna’s experiment aimed to show that we can eat anything as long as we stick to a limit of 2,000 calories per day.

Im not surprised you’d lose weight on 2 KiloCalories a day :)

I suppose he’ll be the new Jarod.

Dropbear said:

Mr Cisna’s experiment aimed to show that we can eat anything as long as we stick to a limit of 2,000 calories per day.

Im not surprised you’d lose weight on 2 KiloCalories a day :)

Good catch.
Utilisez Le Système International d’Unités ou mourez, foutreurs-des-meres!

Well, yes. That’s called a diet.
However: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me

What were his sodium levels like?

Divine Angel said:

I suppose he’ll be the new Jarod.

He would be except that he’s a biology teacher and apparently isn’t willing to accept sponsorship.

That caloric intake and activity level are the key factors determining weight gain or loss (in an individual) should not be surprising but it does seem to be something that people are confused about.

I’m not sure what foutreurs is , but I think you just called them a mother-foutreurser

Dropbear said:

I’m not sure what foutreurs is , but I think you just called them a mother-foutreurser

No that’s mother-theresa.

“However: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me “

is considered one of the most bogus “documentaries” of all time.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20585_6-famous-documentaries-that-were-shockingly-full-crap.html

What were his sodium levels like?

not saying they were high but he did fizz a little when he showered.

Divine Angel said:

What were his sodium levels like?

Probably higher than desirable.

Tamb said:

Dropbear said:

I’m not sure what foutreurs is , but I think you just called them a mother-foutreurser

No that’s mother-theresa.

Oh, well that’s nice of Darren. He always was a polite boy.

I don’t think the sample size of ~1 man is going to cut it with the greens.
I’d like to see the results for a handicapped aboriginal vegan transsexual before I get too excited about this.

Doesn’t surprise me. I eat mostly healthy home-cooked food but too much of it. Result: FAT

Peak Warming Man said:

I’d like to see the results for a handicapped aboriginal vegan transsexual before I get too excited about this.

Had no idea you were into that.

Not judging.

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t think the sample size of ~1 man is going to cut it with the greens.
I’d like to see the results for a handicapped aboriginal vegan transsexual before I get too excited about this.

You left our single mother.

>You left our single mother.

That’s why she’s single.

Meanwhile John Cisna drives to school in his brand new Chevrolet.

So lazy arseholes, and eating too much.

transition said:

So lazy arseholes, and eating too much.

I dunno about his aresehole, I don’t eat at McDonalds.

>>who never previously exercised or watched his calorie intake – also began walking for 45 minutes a day.<<

I would call this a confounding factor. He should have continued his usual level of exercise. You should only change one parameter at a time.

buffy said:

>>who never previously exercised or watched his calorie intake – also began walking for 45 minutes a day.<<

I would call this a confounding factor. He should have continued his usual level of exercise. You should only change one parameter at a time.

Exactly.

Although I don’t think, from my experience, that a 45min walk makes a lot of difference weightloss wise

Skeptic Pete said:

buffy said:

>>who never previously exercised or watched his calorie intake – also began walking for 45 minutes a day.<<

I would call this a confounding factor. He should have continued his usual level of exercise. You should only change one parameter at a time.

Exactly.

Although I don’t think, from my experience, that a 45min walk makes a lot of difference weightloss wise

It does if you were sedentary beforehand.

Yes 45 minute walk should be helpful. How often though? Daily would be good.

dv said:

A man in the US has proven that you can eat junk food and still lose weight, after dropping 17 kilos on a McDonald’s only diet.

High school biology teacher John Cisna was so determined to prove to his students that it’s not about what we eat, but rather how much – he went on a self-imposed McDonald’s only diet for three months.

Instead of gaining weight from all the junk food, Mr Cisna ended up losing 17 kilos while his cholesterol dropped from 249 to 170.

Mr Cisna’s experiment aimed to show that we can eat anything as long as we stick to a limit of 2,000 calories per day.

The Iowa-based teacher even got his students to map out his meal plans for him.

During the three-months, Mr Cisna – who never previously exercised or watched his calorie intake – also began walking for 45 minutes a day.

McDonald’s were so impressed with Mr Cisna’s experiment, his local outlet even offered to provide 90 days of meals with no charge.

On a typical day, Mr Cisna would eat a range of ‘healthy’ fast food meals including oatmeal and salad, but he would indulge in a burger with chips and ice cream for dinner.

According to McDonalds, a large Big Mac meal with chips and coke contains 1,170 calories.

Usually, Mr Cisna would balance these heavier meals with lighters options offered at the fast-food restaurant in the US, such as fruit and maple oatmeal which contains only 290 calories.

“The point behind this documentary is – it’s choice. We all have choices,” Mr Cisna told the MailOnline, explaining: “It’s our choices that make us fat, not McDonald’s.”

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/2014/01/06/09/43/man-loses-17-kilos-on-mcdonalds-only-diet

And the result is totally relevant, because people who eat at McDonald’s are typically on calorie controlled diets and walk 45 minutes a day.

>And the result is totally relevant, because people who eat at McDonald’s are typically on calorie controlled diets and walk 45 minutes a day.

I know and eskimo that lived on blubber for six months, caught his own whales, was a bit fat but not so fat that he couldn’t do what he needed to feed himself. So apparently eating at McWhales doesn’t cause a stomach you can’t lean down over.

In other news, a man has re-grown an arm lost in a hair-dressing accident, a left-handed deaf midget in Bangladesh has given birth to a Rattlesnake and Hugh Jackman has been photographed successfully landing his 1958 VW Beetle on the surface of the sun.

>In other news, a man has re-grown an arm lost in a hair-dressing accident, a left-handed deaf midget in Bangladesh has given birth to a Rattlesnake and Hugh Jackman has been photographed successfully landing his 1958 VW Beetle on the surface of the sun.

You can’t be serious surely.

Rule 303 said:

In other news, a man has re-grown an arm lost in a hair-dressing accident, a left-handed deaf midget in Bangladesh has given birth to a Rattlesnake and Hugh Jackman has been photographed successfully landing his 1958 VW Beetle on the surface of the sun.

Do you know whether the photos are available online, Rule?

Divine Angel said:

What were his sodium levels like?

Almost definitely normal. We can pee out A LOT of sodium. Had he not lost weight, I’d expect his BP to rise, but with a high sodium diet and weight loss it could go up, down or stay the same.

Wocky said:

Do you know whether the photos are available online, Rule?

I’m sure they’re around somewhere….

Wocky said:

Rule 303 said:

In other news, a man has re-grown an arm lost in a hair-dressing accident, a left-handed deaf midget in Bangladesh has given birth to a Rattlesnake and Hugh Jackman has been photographed successfully landing his 1958 VW Beetle on the surface of the sun.

Do you know whether the photos are available online, Rule?

I think The Onion has them.

What about vitamins and minerals? Would the healthier McD’s options supply enough of those?

Bubblecar said:

What about vitamins and minerals? Would the healthier McD’s options supply enough of those?

Unlikely.

There you are then, a bit of a stunt. McDonald’s doesn’t necessarily make you fat but it’s certainly not an ideal diet. As well as being drab.

I bet if that bloke died suddenly after this miracle diet of macdonalds they wouldn’t be promoting him

imagine if you made him eat those gherkins and only those gherkins for a week – I wonder what his crap would look like

would he be able to stand the smell?

OCDC said:

Had he not lost weight, I’d expect his BP to rise, but with a high sodium diet and weight loss it could go up, down or stay the same.

Good thing all your edumacation didn’t go to waste. Would you prescribe 1000mg placebos?

>Mr Cisna would eat a range of ‘healthy’ fast food meals including oatmeal and salad

You can make your own oatmeal & salad, with a wider range of fresh ingredients, quickly and cheaply.

Kingy said:

OCDC said:

Had he not lost weight, I’d expect his BP to rise, but with a high sodium diet and weight loss it could go up, down or stay the same.

Good thing all your edumacation didn’t go to waste. Would you prescribe 1000mg placebos?

I prefer 1000 mg htfu forte.

To elaborate: Some people aren’t salt sensitive – they can eat lots of salt or little salt, and their BP won’t change. Others are very salt sensitive, and a change in dietary salt can change BP by >20 mmHg.

Bubblecar said:

>Mr Cisna would eat a range of ‘healthy’ fast food meals including oatmeal and salad

You can make your own oatmeal & salad, with a wider range of fresh ingredients, quickly and cheaply.

That’s nice.

You’re doing a rb and missing the point.

No, I acknowledged the point earlier. I’m now just being more critical.

I ate this Olympic airways sandwich once – it was the only thing I could buy at the airport at Athens late one night

there must have been traditional something or the other in my sandwich because it stunk so foul , that cupping my hands over my face would make me gag.

OCDC said:

Wocky said:

Do you know whether the photos are available online, Rule?

I think The Onion has them.

Thanks OCDC. I see that’s also Wookie’s source for news.

Let’s remember that:

>McDonald’s were so impressed with Mr Cisna’s experiment, his local outlet even offered to provide 90 days of meals with no charge.

i.e., they’re exploiting this for a “McDonald’s is health food” angle.

Wocky said:

OCDC said:

Wocky said:

Do you know whether the photos are available online, Rule?

I think The Onion has them.

Thanks OCDC. I see that’s also Wookie’s source for news.

I am my own source of my news

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534478/Graphic-images-Japans-whaling-released-campaigners-Sea-Shepherd.html

‘A gruesome, medieval scene’: Shocking images reveal Japanese fleet is slaughtering whales INSIDE an international sanctuary

My major problem with McDonalds these days is that they’ve been hit by the ‘Wagon Wheel Syndrome’: prices have gone up, while their hamburgers have steadily decreased in size to the point where McDonalds is no longer even a momentary consideration when it comes the occasional need for ‘fast food’. From my viewpoint, McDonalds no longer exists.

OCDC said:

Kingy said:

OCDC said:

Had he not lost weight, I’d expect his BP to rise, but with a high sodium diet and weight loss it could go up, down or stay the same.

Good thing all your edumacation didn’t go to waste. Would you prescribe 1000mg placebos?

I prefer 1000 mg htfu forte.

To elaborate: Some people aren’t salt sensitive – they can eat lots of salt or little salt, and their BP won’t change. Others are very salt sensitive, and a change in dietary salt can change BP by >20 mmHg.

That’s interesting. I have always wondered how some people can eat really salty food.

captain_spalding said:

My major problem with McDonalds these days is that they’ve been hit by the ‘Wagon Wheel Syndrome’: prices have gone up, while their hamburgers have steadily decreased in size to the point where McDonalds is no longer even a momentary consideration when it comes the occasional need for ‘fast food’. From my viewpoint, McDonalds no longer exists.

don’t get me started on wagon wheels

all the news you’ll never hear on Australian news media

morrie said:

OCDC said:

Kingy said:

Good thing all your edumacation didn’t go to waste. Would you prescribe 1000mg placebos?

I prefer 1000 mg htfu forte.

To elaborate: Some people aren’t salt sensitive – they can eat lots of salt or little salt, and their BP won’t change. Others are very salt sensitive, and a change in dietary salt can change BP by >20 mmHg.

That’s interesting. I have always wondered how some people can eat really salty food.

Also, what some consider to be the ‘normal’ increase in blood pressure with age, isn’t really. Isolated native populations with very low salt diets don’t have that increase (also low in other food baddies).

yet once again as the japanese fleet takes to the high seas the Australian navy languishes in port

captain_spalding said:

My major problem with McDonalds these days is that they’ve been hit by the ‘Wagon Wheel Syndrome’: prices have gone up, while their hamburgers have steadily decreased in size to the point where McDonalds is no longer even a momentary consideration when it comes the occasional need for ‘fast food’. From my viewpoint, McDonalds no longer exists.

Burgers from our village’s Burger Me are huge, with much more diverse ingredients than McDonalds, freshly made using good quality gear. And good value for what you get.

Because he died?

wookiemeister said:

yet once again as the japanese fleet takes to the high seas the Australian navy languishes in port

What would you have the Navy do, wookie?

The Japanese attitude is presumably: “As long as we’re the only ones selfishly and dishonestly exploiting them, we don’t present a danger to whale populations.”

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

yet once again as the japanese fleet takes to the high seas the Australian navy languishes in port

What would you have the Navy do, wookie?

do what the government with any spine would order them to

shadow and deter

the Japanese are on the nose with china at the moment

http://www.theonion.com/articles/pizza-hut-unveils-new-cheesestuffed-delivery-boy,34863/

wookiemeister said:

shadow and deter

the Japanese are on the nose with china at the moment

How do you suggest that they ‘deter’ them?

what would happen if the migaloo ended up on the deck of some Japanese factory ship?

we would all presumably jump for joy and pat ourselves on the back and tell ourselves (via the morning news shows) how understanding we are

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

shadow and deter

the Japanese are on the nose with china at the moment

How do you suggest that they ‘deter’ them?

put themselves between the whale and the ship

the Russians caught the Japanese doing silly things perhaps two years ago

they sent a helicopter gunship and fired across the bow – they never went back

japan has never respected any law and thinks only of itself – just any of its neighbours that it has invaded and attacked throughout history

Australia being new to the Asian scene was still trying to send iron ore to japan on the eve of war!!!

Wouldn’t it depend on the size of the man before the McDonald experiment and what his diet was?

How do you suggest that they ‘deter’ them?

a gamma ray burst would work. has before.

this really wasn’t an “experiment”. no control and just one test subject. it is just interesting more than anything else.

ChrispenEvan said:

How do you suggest that they ‘deter’ them?

a gamma ray burst would work. has before.

What about a tsunami?

ChrispenEvan said:

this really wasn’t an “experiment”. no control and just one test subject. it is just interesting more than anything else.

Just because it’s poorly designed doesn’t mean it isn’t an experiment…

wookiemeister said:

put themselves between the whale and the ship

I thought that’s what ‘Sea Shepherd’ etc were doing. Why duplicate the effort?

ChrispenEvan said:

this really wasn’t an “experiment”. no control and just one test subject. it is just interesting more than anything else.

It’s really just a matter of a certain amount of energy in, a certain amount of energy out. Doesn’t matter whether it’s McDonald’s or anything else.

Just because it’s poorly designed doesn’t mean it isn’t an experiment…

i have high standards.

ChrispenEvan said:

Just because it’s poorly designed doesn’t mean it isn’t an experiment…

i have high standards.

But you’re here?

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

put themselves between the whale and the ship

I thought that’s what ‘Sea Shepherd’ etc were doing. Why duplicate the effort?

because they sink the sea shepherd ships

i slum it now and again.

ChrispenEvan said:

i slum it now and again.

Shame on you.

This is a holiday forum, not Cambridge.

wookiemeister said:

because they sink the sea shepherd ships

If you mean that incident where the Greenpeace speedboat was run over by the whaling ship:

at the time, quite a number of well-qualified commentators remarked that the Greenpeace vessel was at fault. I agree with them. The video of the incident showed that the Greenpeace vessel was stationary to starboard of the whaling ship, and would have been safe if it had stayed stationary.

The video clearly shows the Greenpeace vessel accelerated on a converging course with the whaling ship, as evidenced by the appearance of prop-wash behind the Greenpeace boat where there’d been none before. The Greenpeace skipper put his vessel into increased danger.

Although the Greenpeace vessel may have ‘technically’ had right of way under Rules 13 and 15 of the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea (COLREGS), the Greenpeace skipper had equal responsibility to do his utmost to avoid collision, as stated in Rules 2 and 8.

He did precisely the opposite.

That said, the Japanese skipper was also deficient in his responsibility under Rules 2 and 8.

It was EVERYBODY’S fault.

If you’d like to check the COLREGS, there’s lots of online sources for them Here’s one: http://www.admiraltylawguide.com/conven/collisions1972.html

Rule 303 said:

… and Hugh Jackman has been photographed successfully landing his 1958 VW Beetle on the surface of the sun.

Photographed driving on the sun? Talk about overexposed!

It’s really just a matter of a certain amount of energy in, a certain amount of energy out.
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Is it?

Motor vehicles can range in endurance yet can have similar weight and motor size.

It seems to me that there is a large genetic factor…

Some poop more, some store more.

>>don’t get me started on wagon wheels<<

Stop buying the mini ones if you want the normal ones…

I love the mini ones.

buffy said:

>>don’t get me started on wagon wheels<<

Stop buying the mini ones if you want the normal ones…

I love the mini ones.

we will never surrender to the mini ones!!

the last time I ate a wagon wheel was in school this afternoon

>It seems to me that there is a large genetic factor…

I think so, and varied metabolism, some of which is caused by the experience of lifetime also.

Mr Ironic said:

It’s really just a matter of a certain amount of energy in, a certain amount of energy out.
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Is it?

Motor vehicles can range in endurance yet can have similar weight and motor size.

It seems to me that there is a large genetic factor…

Some poop more, some store more.

And those that store more should eat less. And more of the stuff that makes them poop more.

And those that store more should eat less. And more of the stuff that makes them poop more.
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Why?

Because the fashion industry says so…

Whales and bears must feel of such low self esteem during the summer eat feast that they refuse to eat in hibernation…

Mr Ironic said:

And those that store more should eat less. And more of the stuff that makes them poop more.
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Why?

Because the fashion industry says so…

Whales and bears must feel of such low self esteem during the summer eat feast that they refuse to eat in hibernation…

I admit chicks take it too far, and it looks like young blokes might be joining them in the body image stakes, but there is also a western problem with cheap food and labour saving devices contributing to a situation where I have read that the age expectancy is the west is going down due to obesity levels.

I have read that the age expectancy is the west is going down due to obesity levels.
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Yeah that will do it.

The number of 350 pound people in aged care homes is very limited.

That being said… being hungery for forty years hardly makes up for four years less of incontinence and dependency.

As much as those factors stiffen the statistics…

as has been said, if you restrict calories and walk every day, you’re bound to lose weight.

I don’t mind maccas. I don’t have it often (probably 3 months or so) but when I do I enjoy it.
I would not enjoy it everyday.

Fatty boombahs on 22. Chicks who want to put on weight.

Seen it all now, chicks who have a career eating food on line for pay for view blokes. Bigger the better.