roughbarked said:

wonders how that happened?

What I was trying to say is that it is nigh on impossible to quote a watch sight unseen.

However with the recent discussion on a particular Seiko day/date mechanism failure, I can suggest that this will require dismantling of the day/date wheel trains and likely replacement of one or more plastic wheels.

ie: Seiko 7S26 intermediate day corrector wheel, date corrector wheel and date driving wheels are all plastic. Any or all of these may have damaged teeth, due to operating the fast date change mode during day/date changeover period.

The same problem would still occur with older metal wheeled versions but likely more only to the date driving wheel.

Do you still do watch repairs RB?

pommiejohn said:

Do you still do watch repairs RB?

Can I still do them would be more the question. I haven’t done a lot other than change the odd battery for a number of years now. The industry is all about sales rather than expensive repairs in general and unless I move to some of the busiest cities in the world, I’m wasting my time thinking of repairing watches from out in the sticks unless I can get mail order type customers from far flung fields.

Things have changed a lot in the industry since I stopped. I am fortunate in that if I move quickly, I could get up to speed further training from one of my original masters before he retires which should have happened a couple of years past.

pommiejohn said:

Do you still do watch repairs RB?

Should I do something with the piles of spare parts that I have in stock is a pending question. Should I put them on e-bay to sell as parts or should I attempt to make use of them by fixing watches that nobody else has the parts for?

roughbarked said:

pommiejohn said:

Do you still do watch repairs RB?

Should I do something with the piles of spare parts that I have in stock is a pending question. Should I put them on e-bay to sell as parts or should I attempt to make use of them by fixing watches that nobody else has the parts for?

In reality it could be described as false economy to be keeping tools equipment and spare parts that are otherwise not being utilised.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

pommiejohn said:

Do you still do watch repairs RB?

Should I do something with the piles of spare parts that I have in stock is a pending question. Should I put them on e-bay to sell as parts or should I attempt to make use of them by fixing watches that nobody else has the parts for?

In reality it could be described as false economy to be keeping tools equipment and spare parts that are otherwise not being utilised.

I have a safe full of film cameras that I will probably never use again, but I can’t quite bring myself to sell them ( for what would be a pittance).

Do you have parts to service my Kienzle? It’s a 1960 ( -I think) automatic.

If I wear it all the time it’s fine, but if I let it stop, it won’t start until I’ve been shaking it for a few minutes. Also it’s supposed to wind with the crown , but it doesn’t seem to.

pommiejohn said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Should I do something with the piles of spare parts that I have in stock is a pending question. Should I put them on e-bay to sell as parts or should I attempt to make use of them by fixing watches that nobody else has the parts for?

In reality it could be described as false economy to be keeping tools equipment and spare parts that are otherwise not being utilised.

I have a safe full of film cameras that I will probably never use again, but I can’t quite bring myself to sell them ( for what would be a pittance).

Mine are sitting around gathering dust..(I don’t have a safe)

pommiejohn said:

Do you have parts to service my Kienzle? It’s a 1960 ( -I think) automatic.

If I wear it all the time it’s fine, but if I let it stop, it won’t start until I’ve been shaking it for a few minutes. Also it’s supposed to wind with the crown , but it doesn’t seem to.

I’m trying to remember. I think we discussed this at Nick’s forum..
The movement is a rare jewelled Keinzle?

roughbarked said:

pommiejohn said:

Do you have parts to service my Kienzle? It’s a 1960 ( -I think) automatic.

If I wear it all the time it’s fine, but if I let it stop, it won’t start until I’ve been shaking it for a few minutes. Also it’s supposed to wind with the crown , but it doesn’t seem to.

I’m trying to remember. I think we discussed this at Nick’s forum..
The movement is a rare jewelled Keinzle?

It was here. I just showed you the $5 Kienzle I bought at a junk shop.

I’l dig out a photo. Hang on.

Here it is.

Watch cost $5, strap cost $49 :)

pommiejohn said:

Here it is.

Watch cost $5, strap cost $49 :)

is repairable but I’m unsure of parts supply though an internet search should come up with something.

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?11&zenoshop&a0&2uswk&Kienzle_057_21&

roughbarked said:

pommiejohn said:

Here it is.

Watch cost $5, strap cost $49 :)

is repairable but I’m unsure of parts supply though an internet search should come up with something.

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?11&zenoshop&a0&2uswk&Kienzle_057_21&

If you read the description the base model is capable of manual winding. So yours should also have this function. If manual winding is no longer possible then there will be a need for part replacement. Though I would need to look at the watch to see which part. A test you can carry out is hold the watch to you ear and gently pull the winding crown out to the normal hand setting position. Do you feel and hear an noticeable click between the two positions of winding or hand setting positions?

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

pommiejohn said:

Here it is.

Watch cost $5, strap cost $49 :)

is repairable but I’m unsure of parts supply though an internet search should come up with something.

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?11&zenoshop&a0&2uswk&Kienzle_057_21&

If you read the description the base model is capable of manual winding. So yours should also have this function. If manual winding is no longer possible then there will be a need for part replacement. Though I would need to look at the watch to see which part. A test you can carry out is hold the watch to you ear and gently pull the winding crown out to the normal hand setting position. Do you feel and hear an noticeable click between the two positions of winding or hand setting positions?

I’ll check when i get home, thanks.

I’ll fix it, $300 flat fee.

I know all about watch repair after watching this instructional video

pommiejohn said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

is repairable but I’m unsure of parts supply though an internet search should come up with something.

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?11&zenoshop&a0&2uswk&Kienzle_057_21&

If you read the description the base model is capable of manual winding. So yours should also have this function. If manual winding is no longer possible then there will be a need for part replacement. Though I would need to look at the watch to see which part. A test you can carry out is hold the watch to you ear and gently pull the winding crown out to the normal hand setting position. Do you feel and hear an noticeable click between the two positions of winding or hand setting positions?

I’ll check when i get home, thanks.

This would only indicate whether or not the coverplate/click spring is broken. A common fault in many watches is metal fatigue on this part. However it shouldn’t stop manual winding, merely make it too easy to slip into the wrong mode while turning the crown. Often interriupts manual winding because this allows the yoke lever to be out of position and thus possibly disengage the crown pinion.

Divine Angel said:

I’ll fix it, $300 flat fee.

I know all about watch repair after watching this instructional video

Like morrie said about metallurgy.. Even having been an expert all one’s life still does not guarantee that one knows all.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

I’ll fix it, $300 flat fee.

I know all about watch repair after watching this instructional video

Like morrie said about metallurgy.. Even having been an expert all one’s life still does not guarantee that one knows all.

I forgot you don’t YouTube. It’s a clip from Disney’s Alice in Wonderland where the March Hare and Mad Hatter “fix” White Rabbit’s watch by smothering it with butter, jam, tea and two spoons.

roughbarked said:

pommiejohn said:

roughbarked said:

If you read the description the base model is capable of manual winding. So yours should also have this function. If manual winding is no longer possible then there will be a need for part replacement. Though I would need to look at the watch to see which part. A test you can carry out is hold the watch to you ear and gently pull the winding crown out to the normal hand setting position. Do you feel and hear an noticeable click between the two positions of winding or hand setting positions?

I’ll check when i get home, thanks.

This would only indicate whether or not the coverplate/click spring is broken. A common fault in many watches is metal fatigue on this part. However it shouldn’t stop manual winding, merely make it too easy to slip into the wrong mode while turning the crown. Often interriupts manual winding because this allows the yoke lever to be out of position and thus possibly disengage the crown pinion.

I’m going to have to watch my typos or someone will inform me that my documentation is faulty.

Yes. if the coverplate spring has broken and the yoke lever isn’t locked into in position correctly, then the crown pinion may well be in a position where teeth can be torn off. Though in the case of the Kienzle, a rocker arm is used . Thus it is likely that the intermediate winding wheel and the main winding wheel may have damaged teeth.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

I’ll fix it, $300 flat fee.

I know all about watch repair after watching this instructional video

Like morrie said about metallurgy.. Even having been an expert all one’s life still does not guarantee that one knows all.

I forgot you don’t YouTube. It’s a clip from Disney’s Alice in Wonderland where the March Hare and Mad Hatter “fix” White Rabbit’s watch by smothering it with butter, jam, tea and two spoons.

THanks. trying to view the youtube disrupted my dialup connection and forced me to make several attempts at reconnecting and subsequently, having to restart my download, which had been halfway through until then. Nevermind, I shouldn’t have tried clicking the link.

Though in the case of the Kienzle, a rocker arm is used . Thus it is likely that the intermediate winding wheel and the main winding wheel may have damaged teeth.

by examining both images, one may observe that there are two main winding wheels. One top and one bottom of the mainspring barrel.

This would account for the fact that the watch can still use the auto winding train without power loss while the manual winding train has teeth missing.

Since I started out talking about the Seiko 7S26, I thought maybe there are some who would like to read this. http://people.timezone.com/msandler/Articles/Workbench/Seiko/Seiko7005.html

Because JJJustmoi said he had the same problem, I can confirm that DO has the very same problem of broken dial feet.

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

ah roughbarked…ever worked on Tissot watches? The wife decided to chuck hers in a sonic cleaner thing with hot water, result is steam or water got inside etc.

Is her watch a water resistant watch or simply a dress watch?

Ladies Tissot PRC 100. Should have been water resistant to 50m apparently.

http://www.jomashop.com/tissot-t22148621.html

is similar.

The watch is a $400 to $600 watch. I’ll have to check but a new movement is about a quarter of the watch price, new A replacement dial is about the cost of the movement.. Sealing and re water testing is extra but not as costly.

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

Is her watch a water resistant watch or simply a dress watch?

Ladies Tissot PRC 100. Should have been water resistant to 50m apparently.

http://www.jomashop.com/tissot-t22148621.html

is similar.

The watch is a $400 to $600 watch. I’ll have to check but a new movement is about a quarter of the watch price, new A replacement dial is about the cost of the movement.. Sealing and re water testing is extra but not as costly.

The big problem with all Swiss watches in Australia these days is that there are no spare parts stocked in Australia and this has been the case for quite a long time. I’m one of a handful of people who may have a stock but by no means a complete array.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

Ladies Tissot PRC 100. Should have been water resistant to 50m apparently.

http://www.jomashop.com/tissot-t22148621.html

is similar.

The watch is a $400 to $600 watch. I’ll have to check but a new movement is about a quarter of the watch price, new A replacement dial is about the cost of the movement.. Sealing and re water testing is extra but not as costly.

The big problem with all Swiss watches in Australia these days is that there are no spare parts stocked in Australia and this has been the case for quite a long time. I’m one of a handful of people who may have a stock but by no means a complete array.

If the watch was this one., http://www.jomashop.com/tissot-t22148621.html
Then the repairs would seem inexpensive to make the watch work in a diamond encrusted case.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

The watch is a $400 to $600 watch. I’ll have to check but a new movement is about a quarter of the watch price, new A replacement dial is about the cost of the movement.. Sealing and re water testing is extra but not as costly.

The big problem with all Swiss watches in Australia these days is that there are no spare parts stocked in Australia and this has been the case for quite a long time. I’m one of a handful of people who may have a stock but by no means a complete array.

If the watch was this one., http://www.jomashop.com/tissot-t22148621.html
Then the repairs would seem inexpensive to make the watch work in a diamond encrusted case.

It is that one. Has a red face though – http://www.watchtime.com/watch-database/tissot/prc-100-chrono-quartz-lady-diamonds/steel

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

The big problem with all Swiss watches in Australia these days is that there are no spare parts stocked in Australia and this has been the case for quite a long time. I’m one of a handful of people who may have a stock but by no means a complete array.

If the watch was this one., http://www.jomashop.com/tissot-t22148621.html
Then the repairs would seem inexpensive to make the watch work in a diamond encrusted case.

It is that one. Has a red face though – http://www.watchtime.com/watch-database/tissot/prc-100-chrono-quartz-lady-diamonds/steel

I’ll have to check. They usually do select the best quality movements for such watches but otherwise it is likely the same movement replacement. A quartz watch is a quartz watch. If the movement is considered of A grade quality then the circuit would have been one of those that had the best test results. Otherwise it would be the same movement as in the other watches quoted above.f