I would like to know if there are other examples of religious interference in politics in Australia other than the three listed here, these examples of religious interference are also in conflict with human rights.

euthanasia; religious interference because of a perceived ascension to heaven or decent into hell (denies rights of the individual to end their own life)

gay marriage; religious interference because of idealistic relationships between a man and woman (denies rights of homosexuals most being born homosexual)

abortion; religious interference because of ideal about perfect births, (denies rights of the mother)

religious lobbyist groups determined to destroy the treasury of the state to wage war on people who neither know of them or care

the only reason Australia is still fighting in the middle east is because the religious lobby likes the idea of the end times and the destruction of the world.

I’ve serviced abortion clinics in the past

we were allowed into to one during business hours, the new girl didn’t realise that you should bring visitors into the room where all these chicks were recovering from the operation.

there must have been about 6 or 7 of them all in one room , we were stood in the middle of the room waiting for the chick to come back as the group sat covered up to the neck with a blanket sat staring at us.

I made eye contact with the other bloke and we then studiously avoided all eye contact with the customers

we came out and I spied some chick with her dirt bag boyfriend crying her eyes out next to a car as we drove away

I went there more than a few times – there was some vacuum pump connected to a vessel that must have been used to suck out the baby. I did a test and tag on it and said the other bloke as I held the plug and rested my hand on the machine “I wonder how many people they have killed with this?”

are you an anti abortionist or pro life wookie?

do you consider womon’s rights in this issue or just the unborn child’s rights?

CrazyNeutrino said:

are you an anti abortionist or pro life wookie?

do you consider womon’s rights in this issue or just the unborn child’s rights?

I think there are plenty of people wanting to adopt children – why not just plug the hole with people who don’t want kids?

strictly speaking a human comes into being the moment the process starts, a court making a cut off point with a stroke of a pen seems a little silly.

prevention is better than cure

I’ll keep my own counsel on these topics but I’d like the minutes to note that it’s good that in this new sunlit political upland that these topics are able to be discussed freely and openly, with candour and without fear or favour and most of all without bigotry and that when we are again touched, as surely we will be, by the better angels of our nature we will have respect for those engaging in it no matter what their opinions may be.

>>prevention is better than cure

Fucking bullshit it is.

LOL. Nice work.

>I’ll keep my own counsel on these topics but I’d like the minutes to note that it’s good that in this new sunlit political upland that these topics are able to be discussed freely and openly, with candour and without fear or favour and most of all without bigotry and that when we are again touched, as surely we will be, by the better angels of our nature we will have respect for those engaging in it no matter what their opinions may be.

Almost can see Jim Hacker standing like Winston.

stemcell whatisname.

wookiemeister said:

I think there are plenty of people wanting to adopt children

No there’s not.

Why are you always on about women, Stan?

Peak Warming Man said:

>>prevention is better than cure

Fucking bullshit it is.

an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure

No there’s not.
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OK, I’ll take them all.

Problem solved.

wookiemeister said:

prevention is better than cure

Free access to contraception, and education on it starting in primary school, is indeed preferable to forcing women to bear children they don’t want.

Angus Prune said:

wookiemeister said:

prevention is better than cure

Free access to contraception, and education on it starting in primary school, is indeed preferable to forcing women to bear children they don’t want.

That’s crazy talk

is indeed preferable to forcing women to bear children they don’t want.
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Really?

Try,

is indeed preferable to forcing women to have sex they don’t want.

Fixed.

s indeed preferable to forcing women to bear children they don’t want.

That’s crazy talk
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Again.

The conclusion doesn’t merit the problem.

Please try again.

Mr Ironic said:

s indeed preferable to forcing women to bear children they don’t want.

That’s crazy talk
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Again.

The conclusion doesn’t merit the problem.

Please try again.

No. I refuse.

ok

lets put it this way

would you handle a fetus taken from the womb with your own hands?

No. I refuse.
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So be it, you are a part of the problem… not the answer.

wookiemeister said:

ok

lets put it this way

would you handle a fetus taken from the womb with your own hands?

What does that mean? Seems an odd criteria to judge the moral worth of a decision. Which is a part of the problem in these sort of debates, there really is no right or wrong answer. FWIW I am with the womens right to choose.

ok

lets put it this way

would you handle a fetus taken from the womb with your own hands?

Morrissey: eating meat is the same as paedophilia

ChrispenEvan said:

ok

lets put it this way

would you handle a fetus taken from the womb with your own hands?

Morrissey: eating meat is the same as paedophilia

Don’t really know if I want to read that to find out why.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

ok

lets put it this way

would you handle a fetus taken from the womb with your own hands?

What does that mean? Seems an odd criteria to judge the moral worth of a decision. Which is a part of the problem in these sort of debates, there really is no right or wrong answer. FWIW I am with the womens right to choose.

well would you?

“ according to the celebrated miserablist and former Smiths singer “

heheheh miserabilist.

I’m trying to point out that what we want to think doesn’t always work out the way we want it to

> “I wonder how many people they have killed with this?”

I don’t think it’s quite death by vacuum and deformation, wook, mate. Not like birth you know, deformation through the birth canal and all, and worse the shock of your mother when she looked down.

:) shut-eye time

wookiemeister said:

well would you?

Probably not. I wouldn’t like to touch shit with my bare hand either. I don’t see what your point is. Are you equating a foetus with shit?

sometimes there are things that are out of our hands

transition said:

> “I wonder how many people they have killed with this?”

I don’t think it’s quite death by vacuum and deformation, wook, mate. Not like birth you know, deformation through the birth canal and all, and worse the shock of your mother when she looked down.

:) shut-eye time

I think they suck them out

wookiemeister said:

sometimes there are things that are out of our hands

and you should leave them alone more often.

you don’t have to defend everything under the banner “free choice”.

wookiemeister said:

you don’t have to defend everything under the banner “free choice”.

Who in this case, is you?

My question is, how many people participating in this thread have been involved with having an abortion in the relationship.

wookiemeister said:

you don’t have to defend everything under the banner “free choice”.

Who me?

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

you don’t have to defend everything under the banner “free choice”.

Who in this case, is you?
==

maybe – yes

My question is, how many people participating in this thread have been involved with having an abortion in the relationship. ===

I’ve never put anyone I have made pregnant in that position

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

you don’t have to defend everything under the banner “free choice”.

Who in this case, is you?
==

maybe – yes

My question is, how many people participating in this thread have been involved with having an abortion in the relationship. ===

I’ve never put anyone I have made pregnant in that position

It is not the question I asked nor is it a sensible answer.
The choice is hers.. My question was about did you allow her to make that decision and support her in it?

I briefly worked with cigarettes recently – an odious task considering they most likely killed most males in my family. to be honest I wanted to see who worked with these things. amusingly I got speaking to someone in a car who worked for them and they made the joke that they were working for the devil. some of these poor souls had lost their mind doing the job, others were patently mad.

in theory free choice is a wonderful thing but free choice can mean giving babies handguns and allowing people to freely shoot up heroin in public in shopping malls.

if the world was truly free choice society would collapse

wookiemeister said:

I briefly worked with cigarettes recently – an odious task considering they most likely killed most males in my family. to be honest I wanted to see who worked with these things. amusingly I got speaking to someone in a car who worked for them and they made the joke that they were working for the devil. some of these poor souls had lost their mind doing the job, others were patently mad.

in theory free choice is a wonderful thing but free choice can mean giving babies handguns and allowing people to freely shoot up heroin in public in shopping malls.

if the world was truly free choice society would collapse

Happiness is a warm gun.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

I briefly worked with cigarettes recently – an odious task considering they most likely killed most males in my family. to be honest I wanted to see who worked with these things. amusingly I got speaking to someone in a car who worked for them and they made the joke that they were working for the devil. some of these poor souls had lost their mind doing the job, others were patently mad.

in theory free choice is a wonderful thing but free choice can mean giving babies handguns and allowing people to freely shoot up heroin in public in shopping malls.

if the world was truly free choice society would collapse

Happiness is a warm gun.

either way – there’s always “collateral”

I’m occasionally an employee of the devil but I rarely stay with him long enough to do long term mental damage as the lost souls that decided to work for him long term.

I would recommend that everyone do some time working for him but only as a learning process

anyway best to go to the original question this has turned into one of my anecdotal asides

CrazyNeutrino said:

I would like to know if there are other examples of religious interference in politics in Australia other than the three listed here, these examples of religious interference are also in conflict with human rights.

euthanasia; religious interference because of a perceived ascension to heaven or decent into hell (denies rights of the individual to end their own life)

gay marriage; religious interference because of idealistic relationships between a man and woman (denies rights of homosexuals most being born homosexual)

abortion; religious interference because of ideal about perfect births, (denies rights of the mother)

Having a school chaplains scheme that uses local religious nutters, as opposed to a school counsellors scheme, with qualified professionals?

Anyway, it’s hard to say where neoliberalism ends and conservative Catholicism ends these days.

Soso said:

Anyway, it’s hard to say where neoliberalism ends and conservative Catholicism ends these days.

begins

We live in a secular state.

We have Cori Bernadi and Mark Latham, long live free speech.