http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/teenage-boy-assaulted-on-new-years-eve-dies/5195566

A Sydney teenager who was seriously assaulted on New Year’s Eve has died in hospital.

Daniel Christie, 18, passed away after his family took the decision to switch off his life support.

Christie was in a critical condition for 11 days after he was punched during a night out in Sydney’s Kings Cross about 9:00pm (AEDT) on December 31.

In an emotional statement, Christie’s family paid tribute to his life.

“Our beloved Daniel passed away in hospital surrounded by his family and friends,” it said.

“While no words can describe how crushed we are, Daniel fought courageously over the past 11 days which allowed everyone to say their farewells.

“It has also given us all strength and tightened even further the bond our family share.

“Daniel was exceptional. He was a beacon of morality with a heart of gold. We are so proud of Daniel and will strive to live with the core values he possessed: respect, dignity, pride and integrity.”

The family said they hope something positive can come from his death.

“We believe there is no better way of honouring Daniel’s generous and giving spirit than by donating his organs,” he said.

“Unfortunately there’s nothing we can do to help Daniel’s situation, but we are comforted knowing that we can help others.”

The Christie family have spoken out against the use of the term “king hit” when referring to assaults, saying “coward punch” is more appropriate.

“We do not want Daniel’s death to be in vain and are committed to rallying for change,” the statement said.

“A positive change needs to come from such a negative situation.

“We would like ‘coward punches’ to be a thing of the past. People have the right to go out without experiencing mindless violence.”

DPP asked to examine possible murder charge

New South Wales Attorney-General Greg Smith has expressed his sympathies to the Christie family.

Mr Smith said Christie’s death is a senseless tragedy which will rightly outrage and sadden everyone.

He also said he has asked the acting director of public prosecutions to closely examine the case with a view to determining if murder charges are appropriate.

Shaun McNeil, 25, is accused of carrying out the attack on Christie.

He has been charged with three counts of common assault, assault occasioning actual bodily harm and assault occasioning grievous bodily harm.

Police are expecting to lay more charges against him when he next faces court on March 4.

my mate Wayne Dover was killed about 4 weeks ago by a king hit in front of his wife while waiting in line.
These people need to be dealt with in the most extreme way

People who know how to king hit, also know it can kill.

just reading about wayne dover

looks as if he was attacked by three people

I’ve found in the past that gangs of men will sometimes hunt for a victim to attack and kill, they’ll start some altercation to provoke something.

if you out of a night and someone starts something with you – remain completely silent and watch them for any kind of movement – never look away or turn your back on them.

personally i don’t trust people when they start drinking – especially if you don’t know them very well.

if i had to walk back from work where trouble might happen I’d wear a close fitting stack hat to soften the blow from behind , people up to no good will normally attack from behind and will often attack the head first.

if you introduced a mandatory 5 year prison sentence – without any parole or taking into consideration of how much time they had spent in gaol whilst being held for sentencing I’m sure it would make many of the idiots attacking people think long and hard. if they wanted to go soft on them they could simply implement a 10 year sentence where they arrive on Friday night at gaol and leave on Monday morning – this keeps themselves safe and everyone else. oh yes – they would pay rent for those days meaning that the tax payer won’t foot the bill. most of them after sentencing would just leave the country and they would be someone else’s problem.

robadob said:

my mate Wayne Dover was killed about 4 weeks ago by a king hit in front of his wife while waiting in line.
These people need to be dealt with in the most extreme way

It is now known as the coward punch and not a king hit.

To change the culture we need to keep refering to it as a coward punch.

headsie said:

robadob said:

my mate Wayne Dover was killed about 4 weeks ago by a king hit in front of his wife while waiting in line.
These people need to be dealt with in the most extreme way

It is now known as the coward punch and not a king hit.

To change the culture we need to keep refering to it as a coward punch.

Nah King Hit stays for me. I hate those name change things.

Spiny Norman said:

headsie said:

robadob said:

my mate Wayne Dover was killed about 4 weeks ago by a king hit in front of his wife while waiting in line.
These people need to be dealt with in the most extreme way

It is now known as the coward punch and not a king hit.

To change the culture we need to keep refering to it as a coward punch.

Nah King Hit stays for me. I hate those name change things.

I thought ‘coward punch’ was a media initiative. To change the culture we need to do more than change the wording

Arts said:

Spiny Norman said:

headsie said:

It is now known as the coward punch and not a king hit.

To change the culture we need to keep refering to it as a coward punch.

Nah King Hit stays for me. I hate those name change things.

I thought ‘coward punch’ was a media initiative. To change the culture we need to do more than change the wording

The family of the bloke that was killed came up with it.

Refering to it as a cowards punch will make it less socially acceptable and will go a long way to changing attitudes.

A simple name change from chinese gooseberries to kiwi fruit changed peoples attitudes towards eating the fruit.

People weren’t going to go to Greenland if it was called Frozen Hell Hole.

Spiny Norman said:

Arts said:

Spiny Norman said:

Nah King Hit stays for me. I hate those name change things.

I thought ‘coward punch’ was a media initiative. To change the culture we need to do more than change the wording

The family of the bloke that was killed came up with it.

ah.. I still don’t think it’s the means to the end.

I don’t understand it. I spent all of the 70’s and 80’s in hotels and bars, watching how people behave. I have seen fights escalate to brawls with weapons. I have seen one punch down and outs (king hits) I saw two deaths. I’ve seen a lot, but, for the most part, the punches were thrown with some reservation.. you could see that the fighters, still in anger, were holding back (or maybe they just weren’t good fighters) … these days the guys go all in and unfairly… the culture is that people think they should be afforded respect instead of having to earn it. The culture is selfishness and revenge.
that’s what needs to change. alcohol and fights have always occurred only the attitude towards other people have changed.

you could always make a special pub for them where they could go

either it would be the quietest pub in town where they are all afraid to attack someone who could do them real damage rather than unsuspecting victims or it would be a free for all

all you’d do in the morning is carry out the dead bodies and hose the blood down the drain

maybe what you need is a form of natural attrition to get rid of these people, it gets too expensive locking them up – maybe if they just died in their own pub you’d get rid of the problem

maybe you could get the bikies to act as security?

Are these events actually increasing, or are they just being reported more.

The NSW statistics indicate that violent crimes, including murder and homicide, are stable or decreasing, but they may well be massaged to look good for the government.

OTOH the press have a vested interest in blowing these things up.

So what’s really happening (and how can we know)?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Are these events actually increasing, or are they just being reported more.

The NSW statistics indicate that violent crimes, including murder and homicide, are stable or decreasing, but they may well be massaged to look good for the government.

OTOH the press have a vested interest in blowing these things up.

So what’s really happening (and how can we know)?

as I said before

I take government statistics and flush them down the toilet

wookiemeister said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Are these events actually increasing, or are they just being reported more.

The NSW statistics indicate that violent crimes, including murder and homicide, are stable or decreasing, but they may well be massaged to look good for the government.

OTOH the press have a vested interest in blowing these things up.

So what’s really happening (and how can we know)?

as I said before

I take government statistics and flush them down the toilet

Yeah, but I’m after some reasoned discussion.

Maybe they were under reported before and if not I’m sure the family and friends of Daniel Christie would like to see some change. Seeing the murder and violent crime rate stable is not acceptable and what ever it takes we should try to minimise any tragic outcomes. I dont see why there is a need to turn this into a political/media bashing excercise.

Daniel Christie was a person Wookie not a stat you can flush down the toilet.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Are these events actually increasing, or are they just being reported more.

The NSW statistics indicate that violent crimes, including murder and homicide, are stable or decreasing, but they may well be massaged to look good for the government.

OTOH the press have a vested interest in blowing these things up.

So what’s really happening (and how can we know)?

Anecdote warning.

I remember when I was a kid walking along the street in Bunbury in WA with 2 other kids when someone from a group coming towards us lashed out and king hit my friend, completely out of the blue. He dropped like a stone, but perhaps fortunately it was onto dirt rather than concrete. That was about 1967. The attacker was from a group much older than us. I appears that he did it ‘just for kicks’. This sort of thing has been going on for a long time I think.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Are these events actually increasing, or are they just being reported more.

The NSW statistics indicate that violent crimes, including murder and homicide, are stable or decreasing, but they may well be massaged to look good for the government.

OTOH the press have a vested interest in blowing these things up.

So what’s really happening (and how can we know)?

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No one knows my Lord, no one.
But what I do know is that pimply arsed kid journalists straight out of uni who can hardly use the King’s English have more influence than is good for us.
I’ll be ensconced in the Redoubt with my desert island disks and the King James Bible leading a frugal life of contemplation and reflection, isolated from this madness.
Good luck and God speed.

The Rev Dodgson said:

wookiemeister said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Are these events actually increasing, or are they just being reported more.

The NSW statistics indicate that violent crimes, including murder and homicide, are stable or decreasing, but they may well be massaged to look good for the government.

OTOH the press have a vested interest in blowing these things up.

So what’s really happening (and how can we know)?

as I said before

I take government statistics and flush them down the toilet

Yeah, but I’m after some reasoned discussion.

that is the reasoned discussion

government figures should not be used now to reason anything

its going to be hard unless you have your own information collection – police reports can mysteriously be shredded or be “lost”

headsie said:

Maybe they were under reported before and if not I’m sure the family and friends of Daniel Christie would like to see some change. Seeing the murder and violent crime rate stable is not acceptable and what ever it takes we should try to minimise any tragic outcomes. I dont see why there is a need to turn this into a political/media bashing excercise.

Daniel Christie was a person Wookie not a stat you can flush down the toilet.

nice try “headsie” have a look at the person who started the thread

>>A simple name change from chinese gooseberries to kiwi fruit changed peoples attitudes towards eating the fruit.<<

Gack! Still inedible. They didn’t remove the fur….. At least I can peel a peach.

Returning you now to the point of the thread.

morrie said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Are these events actually increasing, or are they just being reported more.

The NSW statistics indicate that violent crimes, including murder and homicide, are stable or decreasing, but they may well be massaged to look good for the government.

OTOH the press have a vested interest in blowing these things up.

So what’s really happening (and how can we know)?

Anecdote warning.

I remember when I was a kid walking along the street in Bunbury in WA with 2 other kids when someone from a group coming towards us lashed out and king hit my friend, completely out of the blue. He dropped like a stone, but perhaps fortunately it was onto dirt rather than concrete. That was about 1967. The attacker was from a group much older than us. I appears that he did it ‘just for kicks’. This sort of thing has been going on for a long time I think.

yeah I saw some crazy tenant of this flop house I lived in for a while coward punch the land lord , a diminutive Italian bloke. I turned up after a 2 hour run and to be honest didn’t have much in me to start a fight – he was about a foot bigger than me with hands like shovels.

if things got really serious in society I’d have to start seriously re evaluating my situation if I suspected my health was in danger, I moved from Sydney because I realised that it was getting too dangerous to joe average. it could be better if the smart people left Sydney and left the idiots to cannibalise each other. I wouldn’t allow any child of mine to wander the steets of the place after dark. some people I knew moved from some ethnic area because they were being victimised for being white, apples and eggs being thrown at them from moving vehicles – it was only a matter until they stopped the car got out and spent more time causing damage.

Sydney is a basket case really.

about 15 years ago a backpacker was set upon by a middle eastern gang as he walked through waterloo I think, one of the gang stabbed him about 60 times. he died of course – today the person who did this would be out on the streets and probably still doing it. the newspaper chooses not to report this sort of thing because its bad for tourism – who would come to Sydney if they thought they’d end up dead?

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

… the press have a vested interest in blowing these things up.

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But what I do know is that pimply arsed kid journalists straight out of uni who can hardly use the King’s English have more influence than is good for us.

Amongst the first thing that kid journos are taught when they join a ‘commercial’ news organisation is … “If it bleeds, it leads” – which is why you’ll find crime stories, road accidents etc at the head of the bulletin, followed other news and/or sport. Politics and world news (unless it’s a big event, with lots of deaths and/or injuries, or there’s an Australian or two involved) will come next, followed by finance and weather, with a ‘human interest’ story last, to leave you feeling good at the end of the bulletin.

The ABC, on the other hand, tries to put national politics first, followed by state politics .. then world news, with crime and police stories to follow. Finance news will be in there, too. Last is usually sport (unless it’s a big sporting day, in which case Sport will move up the bulletin … but there’ll still be coverage of other sporting events) … and weather.

However, on weekends and during holiday periods, when the more experienced journos are on leave, you’ll find the ‘young guns’ following their commercial counterparts .. and leading with the blood and gore!

He dropped like a stone, but perhaps fortunately it was onto dirt rather than concrete.
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Yeah an automatic response, unfortunately there is more cement than grass in inner Sydney.

Mr Ironic said:

He dropped like a stone, but perhaps fortunately it was onto dirt rather than concrete.
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Yeah an automatic response, unfortunately there is more cement than grass in inner Sydney.

Now the B4L have been shut down there’ll be even less grass about.