January 9, 2014
Harpoon Ship Stopped!

File: Japanese whaler Yushin Maru No. 3
File: Japanese whaler
Yushin Maru No. 3
At 2:50pm AEDT on January 10th, Captain Peter Hammarstedt of the Sea Shepherd Ship The Bob Barker reported that his ship had just crossed into Australia’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) 200 miles off Macquarie Island, but the pursuing Japanese whale harpoon ship, Yushin Maru No. 3, has stopped one mile outside the zone.

Sea Shepherd Australia chair Bob Brown said that congratulations are due to the Federal Minister for the Environment, Greg Hunt, who had been in touch with the Japanese authorities over the impending invasion of the Australian Whale Sanctuary, which includes the EEZ, by the harpoon ship.

“Once again Sea Shepherd has seen the Japanese whaling fleet’s tactics thwarted. But we are mindful that the fleet is publicly committed to killing another 931 Minke Whales as well as 50 Fin Whales and 50 Humpbacks,” Dr. Brown said.

Managing Director, Jeff Hansen, phoned the Hon. Minister Greg Hunt and passed on our Captains’ and crews’ sincere thanks and appreciation for his efforts. The hunt for the Japanese whaling fleet’s butchering ship, the Nisshin Maru can now resume.

https://www.seashepherd.org.au/news-and-media/2014/01/09/harpoon-ship-stopped-1558

An International law expert from the Australia National University said Australia cannot stop the Japanese from whaling in the Southern Ocean and its relentless monitoring activities have no legal ground.
http://asiancorrespondent.com/118295/australia-cannot-stop-japanese-whaling-expert-say/

wrong

wookiemeister said:

An International law expert from the Australia National University said Australia cannot stop the Japanese from whaling in the Southern Ocean and its relentless monitoring activities have no legal ground.
http://asiancorrespondent.com/118295/australia-cannot-stop-japanese-whaling-expert-say/

wrong

Go on…

I think that’s the problem in Australia

theres a news black out here on weird stuff that happens and stuff that won’t be good for tourism

if you relied purely on the media here to find out what was going on you’d be boned

it was one of first things I noticed here, a blanket is thrown over world events the media here is sensitive to

wookiemeister said:

I think that’s the problem in Australia

theres a news black out here on weird stuff that happens and stuff that won’t be good for tourism

Do you have some evidence for that hypothesis?

There seems to be a mountain of evidence against it.

>…theres a news black out here on weird stuff that happens and stuff that won’t be good for tourism..”

What perhaps may be said of the media, is that the news/events they ‘ride’, certainly is fodder for them (media) being the machine of ‘business as usual’, appealing to easy-think.

All the Federal politicians who voted no on gay marriage are human rights abusers

do you mean that sort of news?

or something like the Queensland Government can put bikies in jail but cannot keep serial sex offenders in jail.

LOL, who could have predicted that?

Malcolm Turnbull hoped to use his visit to Facebook HQ in Silicon Valley into a chance to demonstrate his technical prowess. Instead it turned into an NBN slanging match…

He used the visit to run a Q@A session on Facebook, no doubt looking forward to some friendly banter with constituents and others. Instead he was subjected to fierce criticism over the merits, or otherwise, of the Coalition’s ‘technology agnostic’ NBN.

(loadposition graeme}
Why are you planning to implement technology with less longevity and higher operating costs with a poorer revenue stream than Labor’s original NBN plan? The only people your current plans seem to benefit are the incumbent telcos.
Why are you so near-sighted on the NBN scheme? Does this stem from your generational lack of understanding/inability to use IT to the capacity of everybody else?
NBN concerns me. We NEED a world class system. Are you going to help deliver this?
Considering the fact that the majority of the NBN board is filled with former Telstra employees do you think it wise that this organisation is negotiating with Telstra for the sale of the copper wiring (an outdated method of communication that their own CEO referred to as ’5 minutes to midnight’ ten years ago).
I’d personally like to thank you for both ruining any chance I had of working from home or moving from the city to somewhere rural. I understand that by the time Australia grinds to a halt from relying on an inadequate telecommunications infrastructure you would have already retired from politics and released a tell-all book entitled ‘Don’t blame me, I wanted it too’.

You get the idea. That’s just from the first page. The whole session has hundreds of similar comments. There were comments from supporters of the Coalition’s plan, and comments about other issues, but it was dominated by comments from critics. Go here and read it all for yourself.

http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/govenrment-tech-policy/62829-turnbull%E2%80%99s-facebook-session-becomes-an-nbn-free-for-all

Whoops, wrong thread but OTOH I might just leave it here.

Skunkworks said:

LOL, who could have predicted that?

Malcolm Turnbull hoped to use his visit to Facebook HQ in Silicon Valley into a chance to demonstrate his technical prowess. Instead it turned into an NBN slanging match…

He used the visit to run a Q@A session on Facebook, no doubt looking forward to some friendly banter with constituents and others. Instead he was subjected to fierce criticism over the merits, or otherwise, of the Coalition’s ‘technology agnostic’ NBN.

(loadposition graeme}
Why are you planning to implement technology with less longevity and higher operating costs with a poorer revenue stream than Labor’s original NBN plan? The only people your current plans seem to benefit are the incumbent telcos.
Why are you so near-sighted on the NBN scheme? Does this stem from your generational lack of understanding/inability to use IT to the capacity of everybody else?
NBN concerns me. We NEED a world class system. Are you going to help deliver this?
Considering the fact that the majority of the NBN board is filled with former Telstra employees do you think it wise that this organisation is negotiating with Telstra for the sale of the copper wiring (an outdated method of communication that their own CEO referred to as ’5 minutes to midnight’ ten years ago).
I’d personally like to thank you for both ruining any chance I had of working from home or moving from the city to somewhere rural. I understand that by the time Australia grinds to a halt from relying on an inadequate telecommunications infrastructure you would have already retired from politics and released a tell-all book entitled ‘Don’t blame me, I wanted it too’.

You get the idea. That’s just from the first page. The whole session has hundreds of similar comments. There were comments from supporters of the Coalition’s plan, and comments about other issues, but it was dominated by comments from critics. Go here and read it all for yourself.

http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/govenrment-tech-policy/62829-turnbull%E2%80%99s-facebook-session-becomes-an-nbn-free-for-all

If your going to build something Malcolm Turnbull, then build it properly, its much more efficient than leaving something that’s only half finished

Malcolm Turnbull calls himself a thinker. He didnt think through the NBN properly. Think again Malcolm.

Bird

bird brain

Turnbull highway

Skunkworks said:

LOL, who could have predicted that?

Malcolm Turnbull hoped to use his visit to Facebook HQ in Silicon Valley into a chance to demonstrate his technical prowess. Instead it turned into an NBN slanging match…

He used the visit to run a Q@A session on Facebook, no doubt looking forward to some friendly banter with constituents and others. Instead he was subjected to fierce criticism over the merits, or otherwise, of the Coalition’s ‘technology agnostic’ NBN.

(loadposition graeme}
Why are you planning to implement technology with less longevity and higher operating costs with a poorer revenue stream than Labor’s original NBN plan? The only people your current plans seem to benefit are the incumbent telcos.
Why are you so near-sighted on the NBN scheme? Does this stem from your generational lack of understanding/inability to use IT to the capacity of everybody else?
NBN concerns me. We NEED a world class system. Are you going to help deliver this?
Considering the fact that the majority of the NBN board is filled with former Telstra employees do you think it wise that this organisation is negotiating with Telstra for the sale of the copper wiring (an outdated method of communication that their own CEO referred to as ’5 minutes to midnight’ ten years ago).
I’d personally like to thank you for both ruining any chance I had of working from home or moving from the city to somewhere rural. I understand that by the time Australia grinds to a halt from relying on an inadequate telecommunications infrastructure you would have already retired from politics and released a tell-all book entitled ‘Don’t blame me, I wanted it too’.

You get the idea. That’s just from the first page. The whole session has hundreds of similar comments. There were comments from supporters of the Coalition’s plan, and comments about other issues, but it was dominated by comments from critics. Go here and read it all for yourself.

http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/govenrment-tech-policy/62829-turnbull%E2%80%99s-facebook-session-becomes-an-nbn-free-for-all

you reap what you sow, it seems

diddly-squat said:

Skunkworks said:

LOL, who could have predicted that?

Malcolm Turnbull hoped to use his visit to Facebook HQ in Silicon Valley into a chance to demonstrate his technical prowess. Instead it turned into an NBN slanging match…

He used the visit to run a Q@A session on Facebook, no doubt looking forward to some friendly banter with constituents and others. Instead he was subjected to fierce criticism over the merits, or otherwise, of the Coalition’s ‘technology agnostic’ NBN.

(loadposition graeme}
Why are you planning to implement technology with less longevity and higher operating costs with a poorer revenue stream than Labor’s original NBN plan? The only people your current plans seem to benefit are the incumbent telcos.
Why are you so near-sighted on the NBN scheme? Does this stem from your generational lack of understanding/inability to use IT to the capacity of everybody else?
NBN concerns me. We NEED a world class system. Are you going to help deliver this?
Considering the fact that the majority of the NBN board is filled with former Telstra employees do you think it wise that this organisation is negotiating with Telstra for the sale of the copper wiring (an outdated method of communication that their own CEO referred to as ’5 minutes to midnight’ ten years ago).
I’d personally like to thank you for both ruining any chance I had of working from home or moving from the city to somewhere rural. I understand that by the time Australia grinds to a halt from relying on an inadequate telecommunications infrastructure you would have already retired from politics and released a tell-all book entitled ‘Don’t blame me, I wanted it too’.

You get the idea. That’s just from the first page. The whole session has hundreds of similar comments. There were comments from supporters of the Coalition’s plan, and comments about other issues, but it was dominated by comments from critics. Go here and read it all for yourself.

http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/govenrment-tech-policy/62829-turnbull%E2%80%99s-facebook-session-becomes-an-nbn-free-for-all

you reap what you sow, it seems

I object to the “generational lack of understanding/inability to use IT”
That shows the questioners desire to attack Turnbull not discover the truth.
I’m not defending Turnbull just pointing out a biased questioning style.

The ABC will probably not be reporting the fact that the technician will finally be coming here today to fix my NBN satellite connection that has not worked for about 6 months. A barrage of emails and phone calls yesterday has finally yielded some results.

>The ABC will probably not be reporting the fact that the technician will finally be coming here today to fix my NBN satellite connection that has not worked for about 6 months. A barrage of emails and phone calls yesterday has finally yielded some results.

You’re a trailblazer, morrie.

I gather wireless (3G) an antenna pole and yagi or something directional wasn’t an option.

transition said:

>The ABC will probably not be reporting the fact that the technician will finally be coming here today to fix my NBN satellite connection that has not worked for about 6 months. A barrage of emails and phone calls yesterday has finally yielded some results.

You’re a trailblazer, morrie.

I gather wireless (3G) an antenna pole and yagi or something directional wasn’t an option.

It is a possible option and I might get one eventually, especially if it can alleviate the anxiety of some of my visitors who have never been somewhere you don’t get mobile reception. You should see the forlornly waving their smart phones about.

transition said:

>The ABC will probably not be reporting the fact that the technician will finally be coming here today to fix my NBN satellite connection that has not worked for about 6 months. A barrage of emails and phone calls yesterday has finally yielded some results.

You’re a trailblazer, morrie.

I gather wireless (3G) an antenna pole and yagi or something directional wasn’t an option.

I also have satellite. 3G is an option but is twice the monthly cost & goes off when there is an extended power outage.

Tamb said:

transition said:

>The ABC will probably not be reporting the fact that the technician will finally be coming here today to fix my NBN satellite connection that has not worked for about 6 months. A barrage of emails and phone calls yesterday has finally yielded some results.

You’re a trailblazer, morrie.

I gather wireless (3G) an antenna pole and yagi or something directional wasn’t an option.

I also have satellite. 3G is an option but is twice the monthly cost & goes off when there is an extended power outage.

What you need is an NBN…

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

transition said:

>The ABC will probably not be reporting the fact that the technician will finally be coming here today to fix my NBN satellite connection that has not worked for about 6 months. A barrage of emails and phone calls yesterday has finally yielded some results.

You’re a trailblazer, morrie.

I gather wireless (3G) an antenna pole and yagi or something directional wasn’t an option.

I also have satellite. 3G is an option but is twice the monthly cost & goes off when there is an extended power outage.

What you need is an NBN…

Gee, what a great idea. Of course the 40year old copper wire might need updating first.

>It is a possible option and I might get one eventually, especially if it can alleviate the anxiety of some of my visitors who have never been somewhere you don’t get mobile reception. You should see the forlornly waving their smart phones about.”

I’m 3G usb stick, very fast.

Smart phone gadgets and all that. Mostly I prefer to guess what maybe happening around the place, to the extent it interests me, which isn’t much. Every so often I have a weak moment and pretend to care, it’s just a transient thing.

Tamb said:

Gee, what a great idea. Of course the 40year old copper wire might need updating first.

Why build optic fibre cables when something faster than light will turn up eventually…

Copper is fast enough for a facebook thingy, surely no one needs anything more than that?

Tamb said:

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

I also have satellite. 3G is an option but is twice the monthly cost & goes off when there is an extended power outage.

What you need is an NBN…

Gee, what a great idea. Of course the 40year old copper wire might need updating first.

how about we just buy it all and give it a new name instead

The thing about the NBN is that we are gong to have to have it anyway, as the kids who write all the software are using it and have NFI that there is any such thing as bandwidth. A simple session looking at Flickr these days can easily chew up 400 megs.

morrie said:

The thing about the NBN is that we are gong to have to have it anyway, as the kids who write all the software are using it and have NFI that there is any such thing as bandwidth. A simple session looking at Flickr these days can easily chew up 400 megs.

I’m not sure what the LibNats are proposing can really be called an unlimited bandwidth solution

morrie said:

The thing about the NBN is that we are gong to have to have it anyway, as the kids who write all the software are using it and have NFI that there is any such thing as bandwidth. A simple session looking at Flickr these days can easily chew up 400 megs.

Umm no

if a flickr session is using 400MB then something is very wrong..

transition said:

>It is a possible option and I might get one eventually, especially if it can alleviate the anxiety of some of my visitors who have never been somewhere you don’t get mobile reception. You should see the forlornly waving their smart phones about.”

I’m 3G usb stick, very fast.

Smart phone gadgets and all that. Mostly I prefer to guess what maybe happening around the place, to the extent it interests me, which isn’t much. Every so often I have a weak moment and pretend to care, it’s just a transient thing.

Yes. I have one for when I am travelling. It makes the satellite connections (I have 2 ) look pitiful. I would like to have a tower with a line of site to the Telstra tower and masthead device that will beam the signal down to the ground.

I think we should live within our means and build what we can afford.
Fibre to the node seems to be the most affordable at the moment given the disastrous financial position that Labor has left us with and the fact that thanks to the new government we now know the truth about the NBN costs and roll out position.
It makes sense to me and like minded thinking Australians.

Peak Warming Man said:

I think we should live within our means and build what we can afford.
Fibre to the node seems to be the most affordable at the moment given the disastrous financial position that Labor has left us with and the fact that thanks to the new government we now know the truth about the NBN costs and roll out position.
It makes sense to me and like minded thinking Australians.

I agree…

Sealed roads to the suburb are great idea.. then we can all drive on dirt goat tracks the rest of the way…

>It makes sense to me and like minded thinking Australians.

Unhyphenated presumptuous person.

Dropbear said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think we should live within our means and build what we can afford.
Fibre to the node seems to be the most affordable at the moment given the disastrous financial position that Labor has left us with and the fact that thanks to the new government we now know the truth about the NBN costs and roll out position.
It makes sense to me and like minded thinking Australians.

I agree…

Sealed roads to the suburb are great idea.. then we can all drive on dirt goat tracks the rest of the way…

And maybe a place to dump your garbage at the end of every street.

Dropbear said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think we should live within our means and build what we can afford.
Fibre to the node seems to be the most affordable at the moment given the disastrous financial position that Labor has left us with and the fact that thanks to the new government we now know the truth about the NBN costs and roll out position.
It makes sense to me and like minded thinking Australians.

I agree…

Sealed roads to the suburb are great idea.. then we can all drive on dirt goat tracks the rest of the way…

Yes, and that was exactly how our road network was built.

Dropbear said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think we should live within our means and build what we can afford.
Fibre to the node seems to be the most affordable at the moment given the disastrous financial position that Labor has left us with and the fact that thanks to the new government we now know the truth about the NBN costs and roll out position.
It makes sense to me and like minded thinking Australians.

I agree…

Sealed roads to the suburb are great idea.. then we can all drive on dirt goat tracks the rest of the way…

I struggle to understand how people don’t see how a high speed, high bandwidth communications infrastructure is so vital to business (and moreover business productivity)

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think we should live within our means and build what we can afford.
Fibre to the node seems to be the most affordable at the moment given the disastrous financial position that Labor has left us with and the fact that thanks to the new government we now know the truth about the NBN costs and roll out position.
It makes sense to me and like minded thinking Australians.

I agree…

Sealed roads to the suburb are great idea.. then we can all drive on dirt goat tracks the rest of the way…

Yes, and that was exactly how our road network was built.

As much as I harken back to 1892, I’d like to think we’ve moved on from that

diddly-squat said:

Dropbear said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think we should live within our means and build what we can afford.
Fibre to the node seems to be the most affordable at the moment given the disastrous financial position that Labor has left us with and the fact that thanks to the new government we now know the truth about the NBN costs and roll out position.
It makes sense to me and like minded thinking Australians.

I agree…

Sealed roads to the suburb are great idea.. then we can all drive on dirt goat tracks the rest of the way…

I struggle to understand how people don’t see how a high speed, high bandwidth communications infrastructure is so vital to business (and moreover business productivity)

“Do we really want to invest $50 billion of hard earned taxpayers money in what is essentially a video entertainment system?”

Tony Abbott, December 2010.

Dropbear said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

I agree…

Sealed roads to the suburb are great idea.. then we can all drive on dirt goat tracks the rest of the way…

Yes, and that was exactly how our road network was built.

As much as I harken back to 1892, I’d like to think we’ve moved on from that

it’s not just that, it’s that we are going to have to pay to buy back the very dirt tracks that we paid to build in the first place… it’s madness…

Dropbear said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

I agree…

Sealed roads to the suburb are great idea.. then we can all drive on dirt goat tracks the rest of the way…

Yes, and that was exactly how our road network was built.

As much as I harken back to 1892, I’d like to think we’ve moved on from that

I think everyone would like fibre to the home but we cant afford it right now wot with Labor’s debt to be paid off and now knowing the real price, we can build the arteries now and build the capillaries when we can afford it.

the sale of telstra infrastructure was a colossal fuck up and a bad move for Australia.. telecommunications infrastructure should have remained a national asset.. the roll out of fibre could have been done for a small fraction of what is will cost now .

Dropbear said:

diddly-squat said:

Dropbear said:

I agree…

Sealed roads to the suburb are great idea.. then we can all drive on dirt goat tracks the rest of the way…

I struggle to understand how people don’t see how a high speed, high bandwidth communications infrastructure is so vital to business (and moreover business productivity)

“Do we really want to invest $50 billion of hard earned taxpayers money in what is essentially a video entertainment system?”

Tony Abbott, December 2010.

“No one, however smart, however well educated, however experienced, is the suppository of all wisdom”

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yes, and that was exactly how our road network was built.

As much as I harken back to 1892, I’d like to think we’ve moved on from that

I think everyone would like fibre to the home but we cant afford it right now wot with Labor’s debt to be paid off and now knowing the real price, we can build the arteries now and build the capillaries when we can afford it.

lol. srsly.

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yes, and that was exactly how our road network was built.

As much as I harken back to 1892, I’d like to think we’ve moved on from that

I think everyone would like fibre to the home but we cant afford it right now wot with Labor’s debt to be paid off and now knowing the real price, we can build the arteries now and build the capillaries when we can afford it.

Luckily we now have no debt ceiling… problem solvered

Dropbear said:

morrie said:

The thing about the NBN is that we are gong to have to have it anyway, as the kids who write all the software are using it and have NFI that there is any such thing as bandwidth. A simple session looking at Flickr these days can easily chew up 400 megs.

Umm no

if a flickr session is using 400MB then something is very wrong..

How many MB would you say is on the first page of your photostream?

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

As much as I harken back to 1892, I’d like to think we’ve moved on from that

I think everyone would like fibre to the home but we cant afford it right now wot with Labor’s debt to be paid off and now knowing the real price, we can build the arteries now and build the capillaries when we can afford it.

Luckily we now have no debt ceiling… problem solvered

Political ideas from Labor (it was them that put it in right?), bought to you from The West Wing 8.8/10 on imdb.

poikilotherm said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

As much as I harken back to 1892, I’d like to think we’ve moved on from that

I think everyone would like fibre to the home but we cant afford it right now wot with Labor’s debt to be paid off and now knowing the real price, we can build the arteries now and build the capillaries when we can afford it.

lol. srsly.

Yeah seriously, they blew a f’ing big hole in the budget.
The first thing you have to do when you are digging yourself into a hole is to stop digging.

morrie said:

Dropbear said:

morrie said:

The thing about the NBN is that we are gong to have to have it anyway, as the kids who write all the software are using it and have NFI that there is any such thing as bandwidth. A simple session looking at Flickr these days can easily chew up 400 megs.

Umm no

if a flickr session is using 400MB then something is very wrong..

How many MB would you say is on the first page of your photostream?

in thumbnail content, SFA I would imagine

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

As much as I harken back to 1892, I’d like to think we’ve moved on from that

I think everyone would like fibre to the home but we cant afford it right now wot with Labor’s debt to be paid off and now knowing the real price, we can build the arteries now and build the capillaries when we can afford it.

Luckily we now have no debt ceiling… problem solvered

In other news.
GM say they are going to build Holdens in Korea.
Holden! Korea’s own car!

Tamb said:

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think everyone would like fibre to the home but we cant afford it right now wot with Labor’s debt to be paid off and now knowing the real price, we can build the arteries now and build the capillaries when we can afford it.

Luckily we now have no debt ceiling… problem solvered

In other news.
GM say they are going to build Holdens in Korea.
Holden! Korea’s own car!

s’ok, we can dig holes and sell houses to each other.

i have a 3g usb stick, if i get up at 3am i can get 5 megs a sec download speeds. lasts about 3 hours then for the rest of the day will vary between less than 1meg to just over 4. they won’t be putting fibre down my road any time soon, if ever.

>>Luckily we now have no debt ceiling

That false statement fits with your NBN position pretty well.

Peak Warming Man said:

poikilotherm said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think everyone would like fibre to the home but we cant afford it right now wot with Labor’s debt to be paid off and now knowing the real price, we can build the arteries now and build the capillaries when we can afford it.

lol. srsly.

Yeah seriously, they blew a f’ing big hole in the budget.
The first thing you have to do when you are digging yourself into a hole is to stop digging.

yet the budget deficit is now predicted to be larger under the LibNats…

diddly-squat said:

morrie said:

Dropbear said:

Umm no

if a flickr session is using 400MB then something is very wrong..

How many MB would you say is on the first page of your photostream?

in thumbnail content, SFA I would imagine

Have you looked at Flickr lately? It isn’t thumbnails any more.

yet the budget deficit is now predicted to be larger under the LibNats…

‘nertia, mate…can’t stop a juggernaut dead in its tracks.

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

poikilotherm said:

lol. srsly.

Yeah seriously, they blew a f’ing big hole in the budget.
The first thing you have to do when you are digging yourself into a hole is to stop digging.

yet the budget deficit is now predicted to be larger under the LibNats…

but labor did it, Labor made Holden leave, Labor made Lleyton Hewitt lose, Labor caused the heat wave, Labor applied too much fake tan to Bec Cartwright…

ChrispenEvan said:

yet the budget deficit is now predicted to be larger under the LibNats…

‘nertia, mate…can’t stop a juggernaut dead in its tracks.

true as it stands.

Peak Warming Man said:

>>Luckily we now have no debt ceiling

That false statement fits with your NBN position pretty well.

which bit is incorrect?

if debt were a real issue, then surely maintaining the debt ceiling would be a good way of ensuring that this catastrophic level of debt doesn’t increase…

I can’t help but remember someone talking about a “Budget Emergency”

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

>>Luckily we now have no debt ceiling

That false statement fits with your NBN position pretty well.

which bit is incorrect?

if debt were a real issue, then surely maintaining the debt ceiling would be a good way of ensuring that this catastrophic level of debt doesn’t increase…

I can’t help but remember someone talking about a “Budget Emergency”

flails arms

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yeah seriously, they blew a f’ing big hole in the budget.
The first thing you have to do when you are digging yourself into a hole is to stop digging.

yet the budget deficit is now predicted to be larger under the LibNats…

but labor did it, Labor made Holden leave, Labor made Lleyton Hewitt lose, Labor caused the heat wave, Labor applied too much fake tan to Bec Cartwright…

:)

morrie said:

diddly-squat said:

morrie said:

How many MB would you say is on the first page of your photostream?

in thumbnail content, SFA I would imagine

Have you looked at Flickr lately? It isn’t thumbnails any more.

it is if you run /?details=1

transition said:

>…theres a news black out here on weird stuff that happens and stuff that won’t be good for tourism..”

What perhaps may be said of the media, is that the news/events they ‘ride’, certainly is fodder for them (media) being the machine of ‘business as usual’, appealing to easy-think.

Yes, I’d agree with that.

I’d also suggest that they are reluctant to publicise anything that reflects well on the government of the day, regardless of party.

I’m talking about non-Murdoch media here, obviously.

ChrispenEvan said:

yet the budget deficit is now predicted to be larger under the LibNats…

‘nertia, mate…can’t stop a juggernaut dead in its tracks.

OK… I see the old “it’s not fault, blame the last guys”

you see what people fail to understand is that the first rule of management is that “it’s ALWAYS your fault”

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yeah seriously, they blew a f’ing big hole in the budget.
The first thing you have to do when you are digging yourself into a hole is to stop digging.

yet the budget deficit is now predicted to be larger under the LibNats…

but labor did it, Labor made Holden leave, Labor made Lleyton Hewitt lose, Labor caused the heat wave, Labor applied too much fake tan to Bec Cartwright…

Labor made the boat people come and the Japanese whalers too.. in fact Labor caused climate change and it is all going to be fixed by the coalition, if you dig deep in your pockets.

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

>>Luckily we now have no debt ceiling

That false statement fits with your NBN position pretty well.

which bit is incorrect?

if debt were a real issue, then surely maintaining the debt ceiling would be a good way of ensuring that this catastrophic level of debt doesn’t increase…

I can’t help but remember someone talking about a “Budget Emergency”

flails arms

i was being facetious…hence the ‘nertia bit.

ChrispenEvan said:

i was being facetious…hence the ‘nertia bit.

we know..

ChrispenEvan said:

i was being facetious…hence the ‘nertia bit.

KK

people shouldn’t bite on pwm trolling. makes you look a bit stupid.

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

diddly-squat said:

in thumbnail content, SFA I would imagine

Have you looked at Flickr lately? It isn’t thumbnails any more.

it is if you run /?details=1

Does that still work? I often use a third party viewer. that does show thumbnails. Using the conventional view, I can seldom reach the bottom of a page.

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

>>Luckily we now have no debt ceiling

That false statement fits with your NBN position pretty well.

which bit is incorrect?

if debt were a real issue, then surely maintaining the debt ceiling would be a good way of ensuring that this catastrophic level of debt doesn’t increase…

I can’t help but remember someone talking about a “Budget Emergency”

Sorry my mistake, I thought you said we had a debt ceiling.

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

Have you looked at Flickr lately? It isn’t thumbnails any more.

it is if you run /?details=1

Does that still work? I often use a third party viewer. that does show thumbnails. Using the conventional view, I can seldom reach the bottom of a page.

Yep it is the only way I can work with it..

My estimate for the first page of my photostream is 20MB. That fits with the time it takes to load.

Morrie, have you tried the mobile version of Flickr http://m.flickr.com/ ?

morrie said:

My estimate for the first page of my photostream is 20MB. That fits with the time it takes to load.

It all seriously drags my browser back from loading any other pages.

Strange thing is.. If I tried it on a mobile phone, it works.. I wonder why?

;) the whole thing is made so that by the time you look at the mobile phone thumbs, more have loaded but on the average desktop, that could take days or weeks.

PM 2Ring said:

Morrie, have you tried the mobile version of Flickr http://m.flickr.com/ ?

I tried that and it is workable on PPC processors.. but not really most desirable.

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

My estimate for the first page of my photostream is 20MB. That fits with the time it takes to load.

It all seriously drags my browser back from loading any other pages.

Strange thing is.. If I tried it on a mobile phone, it works.. I wonder why?

;) the whole thing is made so that by the time you look at the mobile phone thumbs, more have loaded but on the average desktop, that could take days or weeks.

Avg desktop from the early 00s …

PM 2Ring said:

Morrie, have you tried the mobile version of Flickr http://m.flickr.com/ ?

Thanks PM. That’s a lot quicker.

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

My estimate for the first page of my photostream is 20MB. That fits with the time it takes to load.

It all seriously drags my browser back from loading any other pages.

Strange thing is.. If I tried it on a mobile phone, it works.. I wonder why?

;) the whole thing is made so that by the time you look at the mobile phone thumbs, more have loaded but on the average desktop, that could take days or weeks.

Avg desktop from the early 00s …

yep.. but I still see people complaining about things from ’97

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

My estimate for the first page of my photostream is 20MB. That fits with the time it takes to load.

It all seriously drags my browser back from loading any other pages.

Strange thing is.. If I tried it on a mobile phone, it works.. I wonder why?

;) the whole thing is made so that by the time you look at the mobile phone thumbs, more have loaded but on the average desktop, that could take days or weeks.

Avg desktop from the early 00s …

In 03, mine was the latest and also the last, thing..

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

My estimate for the first page of my photostream is 20MB. That fits with the time it takes to load.

It all seriously drags my browser back from loading any other pages.

Strange thing is.. If I tried it on a mobile phone, it works.. I wonder why?

;) the whole thing is made so that by the time you look at the mobile phone thumbs, more have loaded but on the average desktop, that could take days or weeks.

Avg desktop from the early 00s …

There’s the thing. A 20MB download is nothing these days. I was looking at some video clips I uploaded the other day, using the broadband in town. I could have watched all twenty of them more or less without a pause. Who would know or care that it was 400MB?

morrie said:

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

It all seriously drags my browser back from loading any other pages.

Strange thing is.. If I tried it on a mobile phone, it works.. I wonder why?

;) the whole thing is made so that by the time you look at the mobile phone thumbs, more have loaded but on the average desktop, that could take days or weeks.

Avg desktop from the early 00s …

There’s the thing. A 20MB download is nothing these days. I was looking at some video clips I uploaded the other day, using the broadband in town. I could have watched all twenty of them more or less without a pause. Who would know or care that it was 400MB?

A 20 MB download..
on dialup this can still take up to 8 hours

The point I am trying to make is that the software applications are being developed for high speed internet and they are getting ever more demanding of bandwidth. So that alone more or less to compels us to go down the road of the fastest possible NBN.

morrie said:

The point I am trying to make is that the software applications are being developed for high speed internet and they are getting ever more demanding of bandwidth. So that alone more or less to compels us to go down the road of the fastest possible NBN.

You are preaching to the converted.

morrie said:

The point I am trying to make is that the software applications are being developed for high speed internet and they are getting ever more demanding of bandwidth. So that alone more or less to compels us to go down the road of the fastest possible NBN.

this is the reasoning that gave us FTTN… that is, high speed, high bandwidth communications infrastructure isn’t all that important because all it means is that we will be able to download paged on the internet faster…

the real advantages of the NBN are related to business and the integration of true, real time virtual reality environments

diddly-squat said:

morrie said:

The point I am trying to make is that the software applications are being developed for high speed internet and they are getting ever more demanding of bandwidth. So that alone more or less to compels us to go down the road of the fastest possible NBN.

this is the reasoning that gave us FTTN… that is, high speed, high bandwidth communications infrastructure isn’t all that important because all it means is that we will be able to download paged on the internet faster…

the real advantages of the NBN are related to business and the integration of true, real time virtual reality environments

Well that would be nice in my business I must say. But I don’t imagine that I will get it for a long time anyway, as the plan is to keep us on satellite here, and the inherent latency buggers up such things.

ChrispenEvan said:

people shouldn’t bite on pwm trolling. makes you look a bit stupid.

What a strange thing to say.

PWM posts are usually entertaining, and sometimes thought provoking.

I can’t see how responding to him reflects poorly on anyone’s intelligence.

it is the way people respond. i thought that would be obvious.

ChrispenEvan said:

it is the way people respond. i thought that would be obvious.

not in my case.. I’m a bit of a wild card.. er joker.

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

people shouldn’t bite on pwm trolling. makes you look a bit stupid.

What a strange thing to say.

PWM posts are usually entertaining, and sometimes thought provoking.

I can’t see how responding to him reflects poorly on anyone’s intelligence.

He doesn’t need to have me respond.. He thinks he has me sussed.

>>He thinks he has me sussed.

I’ve got your number laddie, I’ve got you on a watch list.

Peak Warming Man said:

>>He thinks he has me sussed.

I’ve got your number laddie, I’ve got you on a watch list.

at least you are watching. For that you have my esteemed respect. ;)

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

people shouldn’t bite on pwm trolling. makes you look a bit stupid.

What a strange thing to say.

PWM posts are usually entertaining, and sometimes thought provoking.

I can’t see how responding to him reflects poorly on anyone’s intelligence.

Only that his politics are to the right of Attila the Hun.

PermeateFree said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

people shouldn’t bite on pwm trolling. makes you look a bit stupid.

What a strange thing to say.

PWM posts are usually entertaining, and sometimes thought provoking.

I can’t see how responding to him reflects poorly on anyone’s intelligence.

Only that his politics are to the right of Attila the Hun.

Who really knows which way is up, in this place?

PermeateFree said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

people shouldn’t bite on pwm trolling. makes you look a bit stupid.

What a strange thing to say.

PWM posts are usually entertaining, and sometimes thought provoking.

I can’t see how responding to him reflects poorly on anyone’s intelligence.

I suspect that most of the tongue in cheek comments go over your head.

Only that his politics are to the right of Attila the Hun.

morrie said:

PermeateFree said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What a strange thing to say.

PWM posts are usually entertaining, and sometimes thought provoking.

I can’t see how responding to him reflects poorly on anyone’s intelligence.

I suspect that most of the tongue in cheek comments go over your head.

Only that his politics are to the right of Attila the Hun.

I suspect that most of my tic comments go right over your head morrie – sort of wooosh like.

Frightened any more horses recently?

:))