“Two United States politicians say death row inmates should be executed by firing squad if opposition to capital punishment by pharmaceutical companies makes it hard to obtain drugs for lethal injections.”

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-18/us-states-consider-firing-squads-if-execution-drugs-scarce/5206712

If people can kill themselves painlessly by carbon monoxide poisoning or by putting a plastic bag over their heads, why try and get all sophisticated with drug cocktails that have not even been tested ?

As repulsive as the death penalty itself is, some of the official methods have been bizarre and cruel (e.g. the electric chair). It seems that a desire for some form of revenge trumps other considerations.

death by firing squad wont happen.

death death death as societal punishment, is it really punishment?

full deep anasetic
cant see whats hard or cruel

not punishment – - removal

robadob said:

full deep anasetic
cant see whats hard or cruel

yeah I’m not sure what’s so hard about it.

transition said:

death death death as societal punishment, is it really punishment?

I doubt if it’s a deterrent. For others anyway.

>not punishment – – removal

That’s what I was thinking.

>I doubt if it’s a deterrent. For others anyway.

I’d guess even for the psychopath it has deterrent effects, or affects.

More like retribution, been found unfit to live within the society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection#Conventional_lethal_injection_protocol

drugs used. anesthetics are used.

>>More like retribution, been found unfit to live within the society.

Or a cancer to be surgically removed?

That particular cocktail was used because drug companies are refusing to supply the ‘usual’ stuff.

Hydromorphone and Midazolam are usually part of palliative patients ‘Exit Pack’, up the dose enough, and you can have them leave the building a lot sooner (not that something like that is allowed in Australia). I’d say they just need to add some NMJ blockade, do it first, so the person has the terror of not being able to move a muscle, then use the other stuff…

ChrispenEvan said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection#Conventional_lethal_injection_protocol

drugs used. anesthetics are used.

The problem is now there is a shortage of these drugs as manufacturers won’t supply them for use in executions.

rumpole said:

If people can kill themselves painlessly by carbon monoxide poisoning or by putting a plastic bag over their heads, why try and get all sophisticated with drug cocktails that have not even been tested ?

As repulsive as the death penalty itself is, some of the official methods have been bizarre and cruel (e.g. the electric chair). It seems that a desire for some form of revenge trumps other considerations.

Yeah, they go on about things needing to be “humane” but yet there are states which still use the electric chair (although I’m not sure they’ve used it in say, the past decade).

Firing squad is quick and efficient and the preferred choice for Indonesian executions. I suppose one could also go the Kim Jong-un method and feed them to starving dogs…

rumpole said:

ChrispenEvan said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection#Conventional_lethal_injection_protocol

drugs used. anesthetics are used.

The problem is now there is a shortage of these drugs as manufacturers won’t supply them for use in executions.

Sounds like the manufacturers are trying to force the governments to pay a premium price for their products.

all you need is to shoot them up with a stiff shot of heroin – that should fix the problem – overdose

wookiemeister said:

all you need is to shoot them up with a stiff shot of heroin – that should fix the problem – overdose

Except heroin is pissweak compared to hydromorphone.

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

all you need is to shoot them up with a stiff shot of heroin – that should fix the problem – overdose

Except heroin is pissweak compared to hydromorphone.

but its widely available, cheap and well known to kill people very easily

they should have come to me first to find an agreeable solution

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

all you need is to shoot them up with a stiff shot of heroin – that should fix the problem – overdose

Except heroin is pissweak compared to hydromorphone.

but its widely available, cheap and well known to kill people very easily

they should have come to me first to find an agreeable solution

so is hydromorphone.

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

all you need is to shoot them up with a stiff shot of heroin – that should fix the problem – overdose

Except heroin is pissweak compared to hydromorphone.

but its widely available, cheap and well known to kill people very easily

they should have come to me first to find an agreeable solution

the heroin could be grown in the prison grounds in a separate paddock

I think they use petrol to process it in the bad lands

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

Except heroin is pissweak compared to hydromorphone.

but its widely available, cheap and well known to kill people very easily

they should have come to me first to find an agreeable solution

so is hydromorphone.

which is easier to make?

Firing squad is quick and efficient

So is beheading

heroin could be made by anyone following an internet recipe I bet

someone in the prison would make small batches of it

you could then keep them in the fridge until needed

heroin might be a kinder way to go

rumpole said:

Firing squad is quick and efficient

So is beheading

Why not allow the convicted person to choose?
Note old age is not an option.

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/heroinmfg.html

no petrol.

cocaine uses kero at some stage i believe.

why not just not do. problem solved.

ChrispenEvan said:

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/heroinmfg.html

no petrol.

cocaine uses kero at some stage i believe.

ahh maybe that’s I was thinking of, kero for cocaine – I was watching some doco ages ago – couldn’t remember the drug

bob(from black rock) said:

rumpole said:

Firing squad is quick and efficient

So is beheading

Why not allow the convicted person to choose?
Note old age is not an option.

I’d be willing to bet if someone chose beheading that would not be allowed for fear of offending the public with such a grotesque act.

You have to maintain a veneer of political correctness.

ChrispenEvan said:

why not just not do. problem solved.

easier said than done

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lynn_Sells

I was watching some you tube interview with him, he was a lunatic. he would break into houses and attack the weak and the defenceless, favourite weapon – knife normally found at the house.

he would have killed hundreds of people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V7EL-Yg8Gg

I recommend you watch this you tube, it is illuminating – it teaches you how to protect yourself from them

always lock your doors and windows of a night – they are mostly opportunists , he freely admits that he would break in “late”. it would seem that the windows/ doors weren’t in good order. nor does he mention guard dogs. he didn’t choose people at complete random he would obviously choose his victims that wouldn’t give as much “struggle”.

the problem with this bloke is that you might not have any clue of what he was up to, though if you gave him a subtle interrogation any person with their wits about them might have an inkling.

Beheading used to be the easy way out.

….at least compared to being hanged, drawn, and quartered.

I am always interested in the lunatics the dangerous ones and malicious ones – they will be the ones that try to do as much damage as they can.

its one reason I have had a passing interest in religion – the lunacy of religions mean that the followers will kill you as quick as they can – if they think they can get away with it.

problematic religions are normally right wing in outlook, they believe only they have the answers, their own history is normally bloody and there will be long stories about how they fucked someone over or killed someone – they revel in fear and chaos. lunacy and religious outlook are to my mind closely linked.

the difference between religion and your average psycho killer is that religion is organised they have money and lobbying to arrange more sacrifices to their god

Angus Prune said:

Beheading used to be the easy way out.

….at least compared to being hanged, drawn, and quartered.

Stoneing is still very popular, and is very cost effective, And the rocks are recyclable

Stoning is the preferred method of public executions by the Taliban for adulterous people :(

Death Star Trash Compactor

works every time unless you have droids at hand

There are better means of punishment.

They should be made to learn and recite all of colon leslie deans poetry every year or it will be played in their cell 24/7.

19 shillings said:

There are better means of punishment.

They should be made to learn and recite all of colon leslie deans poetry every year or it will be played in their cell 24/7.

I wonder what Colon is doing these days.

Divine Angel said:

Stoning is the preferred method of public executions by the Taliban for adulterous people :(

and judaism

poikilotherm said:

Except heroin is pissweak compared to hydromorphone.

Compared to etorphine & carfentanyl, both heroin & hydromorphone are pissweak. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equianalgesic#Morphine-centric_chart

19 shillings said:

There are better means of punishment.

They should be made to learn and recite all of colon leslie deans poetry every year or it will be played in their cell 24/7.

they make the detention kids study it for the HSC now

wookiemeister said:

Divine Angel said:

Stoning is the preferred method of public executions by the Taliban for adulterous people :(

and judaism

How long has Judaism been a method of execution?

19 shillings said:

There are better means of punishment.

They should be made to learn and recite all of colon leslie deans poetry every year or it will be played in their cell 24/7.

Wouldn’t that be classed as cruel & unusual punishment?

hang on

theres a simpler way

get your acetone and liquid chlorine and just make chloroform – you can buy that at the supermarket

chloroform can kill you too very quickly

its cheaper and more available

Angus Prune said:

wookiemeister said:

Divine Angel said:

Stoning is the preferred method of public executions by the Taliban for adulterous people :(

and judaism

How long has Judaism been a method of execution?

ask the victims, the old testament is full of peoples that were supposedly wiped out by the mighty Jehovah – strictly speaking Jehovah (or El which is his old name, Ezekiel, Daniel, Elijah, Israel, Samuel for example is the link to his old name until he was rebranded)

another trick was pushing people backwards off a high wall

the doco about islam suggested that the stoning thing in the Koran came from Judaism as it had to accommodate followers of other religions, the 5 prayers a day thing came from Zoroastrianism apparently

If I was ever on death row ( not that they can prove anything ) I’d opt for the one way trip to Mars, Option B.

I stopped reading about heroin manufacture when I realised that you could make chloroform from two cheap liquids from the supermarket

The long, long drop. Inaccessible rocky offshore island, completely forbidden zone. Prisoners to be executed are dropped from a helicopter at a few thousand feet. No recovery of bodies.

party_pants said:

The long, long drop. Inaccessible rocky offshore island, completely forbidden zone. Prisoners to be executed are dropped from a helicopter at a few thousand feet. No recovery of bodies.

Could there be a Cruise Ship franchise, like at say a 3 mile limit.
They could have a master of ceremonies describing it, with say “Helicopter Sighted NNW of Drop Zone” and then a count down to the actual drop.
Then a full replay on a big screen on the Promenade Deck with after dinner drinks that night.

Peak Warming Man said:

Could there be a Cruise Ship franchise, like at say a 3 mile limit.
They could have a master of ceremonies describing it, with say “Helicopter Sighted NNW of Drop Zone” and then a count down to the actual drop.
Then a full replay on a big screen on the Promenade Deck with after dinner drinks that night.

Yeah, you could do.

My safe-guard against overuse of execution would be that only the Premier of the day can personally carry out the execution. If going the helicopter drop, then the Premier must personally activate the catch that drops the prisoner.

Peak Warming Man said:

Could there be a Cruise Ship franchise, like at say a 3 mile limit.
They could have a master of ceremonies describing it, with say “Helicopter Sighted NNW of Drop Zone” and then a count down to the actual drop.
Then a full replay on a big screen on the Promenade Deck with after dinner drinks that night.

They could just put them on any normal cruise ship for a while and let nature take its course.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Could there be a Cruise Ship franchise, like at say a 3 mile limit.
They could have a master of ceremonies describing it, with say “Helicopter Sighted NNW of Drop Zone” and then a count down to the actual drop.
Then a full replay on a big screen on the Promenade Deck with after dinner drinks that night.

Yeah, you could do.

My safe-guard against overuse of execution would be that only the Premier of the day can personally carry out the execution. If going the helicopter drop, then the Premier must personally activate the catch that drops the prisoner.

Works for Eddard Stark.

what a GRUESOME thread

maybe try some of North Korea’s execution methods

death by acid

death by mortar fire

death by 120 starving dogs

etc….

CrazyNeutrino said:

what a GRUESOME thread

maybe try some of North Korea’s execution methods

death by acid

death by mortar fire

death by 120 starving dogs

etc….

I am not sure the bloke in the article felt any pain. Were they reporting his automatic reactions but he was still out of it? Like others I find it hard to believe you can go in for surgery and get knocked out painlessly but they cannot manage executions in the same way. Hell when you are knocked out they could slit your throat and you wouldn’t know any different.

I think if certain people have to be removed, then inject a general anesthetic, followed by filling the room with carbon monoxide, a painless death

CrazyNeutrino said:

I think if certain people have to be removed, then inject a general anesthetic, followed by filling the room with carbon monoxide, a painless death

gas chambers have had a lot of bad PR over the years

why not just not have the death penalty then there would be no dilemma?

ChrispenEvan said:

why not just not have the death penalty then there would be no dilemma?

true

“This list contains names of people who were found guilty of capital crimes and placed on death row, and were later found to be wrongly convicted. Some people were exonerated posthumously”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

19 shillings said:

“This list contains names of people who were found guilty of capital crimes and placed on death row, and were later found to be wrongly convicted. Some people were exonerated posthumously”

Life can suck and for many reasons, just being born in the wrong place and time, but that has to be up there for sucky, innocent of a crime but executed for it

19 shillings said:

“This list contains names of people who were found guilty of capital crimes and placed on death row, and were later found to be wrongly convicted. Some people were exonerated posthumously”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

good case for removal of death row

last man executed in Australia (or maybe Vic) Ronald Ryan, could have been saved but for premier Bolte who chose not to.
Good thing that old fucker is now dead himself.
Had blood on his hands twice, Ryan and another poor kid he killed while pissed in a car crash and pulled political strings to get himself off the charge.
I hope the stupid old catholic git is in the hell he belives in boiling in oil for all eternity.

End rant.

gaghalfrunt said:

last man executed in Australia (or maybe Vic) Ronald Ryan, could have been saved but for premier Bolte who chose not to.
Good thing that old fucker is now dead himself.
Had blood on his hands twice, Ryan and another poor kid he killed while pissed in a car crash and pulled political strings to get himself off the charge.
I hope the stupid old catholic git is in the hell he belives in boiling in oil for all eternity.

End rant.

Ummm… Bolte wasn’t Catholic.

Witty Rejoinder said:

gaghalfrunt said:

last man executed in Australia (or maybe Vic) Ronald Ryan, could have been saved but for premier Bolte who chose not to.
Good thing that old fucker is now dead himself.
Had blood on his hands twice, Ryan and another poor kid he killed while pissed in a car crash and pulled political strings to get himself off the charge.
I hope the stupid old catholic git is in the hell he belives in boiling in oil for all eternity.

End rant.

Ummm… Bolte wasn’t Catholic.

Umm…I don’t think anyone was killed in that car crash.

Witty Rejoinder said:

gaghalfrunt said:

last man executed in Australia (or maybe Vic) Ronald Ryan, could have been saved but for premier Bolte who chose not to.
Good thing that old fucker is now dead himself.
Had blood on his hands twice, Ryan and another poor kid he killed while pissed in a car crash and pulled political strings to get himself off the charge.
I hope the stupid old catholic git is in the hell he belives in boiling in oil for all eternity.

End rant.

Ummm… Bolte wasn’t Catholic.

Wasnt he DLP?
Soz my mistake

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

gaghalfrunt said:

last man executed in Australia (or maybe Vic) Ronald Ryan, could have been saved but for premier Bolte who chose not to.
Good thing that old fucker is now dead himself.
Had blood on his hands twice, Ryan and another poor kid he killed while pissed in a car crash and pulled political strings to get himself off the charge.
I hope the stupid old catholic git is in the hell he belives in boiling in oil for all eternity.

End rant.

Ummm… Bolte wasn’t Catholic.

Umm…I don’t think anyone was killed in that car crash.

Rewrite history if you like.

gaghalfrunt said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Ummm… Bolte wasn’t Catholic.

Umm…I don’t think anyone was killed in that car crash.

Rewrite history if you like.

OK, but you’d best get the SMH to do a rewrite of an old story as well. Just to keep things on the straight and narrow.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19840927&id=enopAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NOcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3606,5703346

Sorry wrong, should have done research properly,
Will shut up now.

Maybee its my anti Bolte bolte bias taking controll

trouble is that people take time to die. Regardless of the method.. in the US there are people who say that ‘everyone” should have the right to die with dignity. That’s where the problem lies.. the ‘with dignity’ thing…

too bad most people don’t die with dignity.. even the good ones .. wait especially the good ones.

Arts said:

trouble is that people take time to die.

If you just go to sleep and don’t wake up then experientially the time taken doesn’t matter.

Also, I think a large blast right on the brain, which disintegrates it within a millisecond, should be fast enough for most purposes.

dv said:

Arts said:

trouble is that people take time to die.

If you just go to sleep and don’t wake up then experientially the time taken doesn’t matter.

Also, I think a large blast right on the brain, which disintegrates it within a millisecond, should be fast enough for most purposes.

like we do to cows?

Now there’s an interesting concept. Execute humans like we do to animals.