Random question – just out of pure curiosity.

Say I had a plot of land of a few acres in a patch of country infested by snakes. I want to create a snake free patch – for some reason.

Let’s say I have the resources and the will to eradicate snakes from my patch… What type of wall or fence would I need to construct to be snake-proof to prevent new snakes moving in?

bird mesh, height depends on how big the snakes are. slope it outwards slightly.

glass.

corri iron, vertical

A very low fence – 100 mm high topped with an electric fence wire should do the trick.

Glass would probably work.

cement sheet.

Construct it from snake catchers.

snakes are impervious to electric shock. the scales are insulators.

are they like wind catchers?

JudgeMental said:

are they like wind catchers?

Wind me up or what?

JudgeMental said:

snakes are impervious to electric shock. the scales are insulators.

I’m afraid I’ll need some form of citation on that one.

A simple row of bricks, topped with an electrified wire will be the cheapest possible solution that I can think of.

I’m afraid I’ll need some form of citation on that one.

the Mental family book of tall tales and true.

A simple row of bricks, topped with an electrified wire will be the cheapest possible solution that I can think of.

you need to watch some zombie movies. the generator always goes down….

sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

snakes are impervious to electric shock. the scales are insulators.

I’m afraid I’ll need some form of citation on that one.

A simple row of bricks, topped with an electrified wire will be the cheapest possible solution that I can think of.

Might be impractical from a bushfire safe point of view.

Breed mongooses and have them chained to a single wire running chain. Provide water of course.

Look, do you want cheap, or do you want safe?

I’m afraid your design brief did not give enough information and I’m going to have to charge you for a complete redesign.

Bloody clients!

Baby snakes will sneak through very tiny gaps.

sibeen said:

Look, do you want cheap, or do you want safe?

I’m afraid your design brief did not give enough information and I’m going to have to charge you for a complete redesign.

Bloody clients!

Ok – let’s say it a holiday resort with gold course. Golf course has lakes. I want to keep tiger snakes and brown snakes out.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Look, do you want cheap, or do you want safe?

I’m afraid your design brief did not give enough information and I’m going to have to charge you for a complete redesign.

Bloody clients!

Ok – let’s say it a holiday resort with gold course. Golf course has lakes. I want to keep tiger snakes and brown snakes out.

OK then. A 2 metre wide water course with a small 200 mm wide levee which sits in the centre of the water course, dividing it. On top of the levee sits one course of bricks, which are topped by a 10 kV electrified wire.

Has the added advantage of acting as a water hazard for the golfers, with all the fun and games that a 10 kV jolt can add to the back swing.

I’m afraid bird mesh angled or otherwise is completely out of the question.

I watch snakes go up and down it with ease in my aviary.

roughbarked said:

I’m afraid bird mesh angled or otherwise is completely out of the question.

I watch snakes go up and down it with ease in my aviary.

Bird netting as used on trees will stop snakes, I am told. They get tangled in it.

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

I’m afraid bird mesh angled or otherwise is completely out of the question.

I watch snakes go up and down it with ease in my aviary.

Bird netting as used on trees will stop snakes, I am told. They get tangled in it.

Colourbond fence 5’ tall with all posts and supports on the inside.

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

I’m afraid bird mesh angled or otherwise is completely out of the question.

I watch snakes go up and down it with ease in my aviary.

Bird netting as used on trees will stop snakes, I am told. They get tangled in it.

only if they come back down full of eggs or birds.

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

I’m afraid bird mesh angled or otherwise is completely out of the question.

I watch snakes go up and down it with ease in my aviary.

Bird netting as used on trees will stop snakes, I am told. They get tangled in it.

Colourbond fence 5’ tall with all posts and supports on the inside.

Plus dig it into the ground about a foot.

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

I’m afraid bird mesh angled or otherwise is completely out of the question.

I watch snakes go up and down it with ease in my aviary.

Bird netting as used on trees will stop snakes, I am told. They get tangled in it.

Colourbond fence 5’ tall with all posts and supports on the inside.

I doubt they’d climb a colourbond fence though I’ve never put one to that test.

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

Bird netting as used on trees will stop snakes, I am told. They get tangled in it.

Colourbond fence 5’ tall with all posts and supports on the inside.

Plus dig it into the ground about a foot.

Snakes can’t dig holes but they’ll take advantage of holes that exist. Use the bird wire under the fence and lay it on a sloping angle down and away from the base of the fence. Mice may still dig through though so the mesh and it would have to be doubled bird mesh rather than bird netting. Foxes can’t dig through single bird mesh but the holes in the mesh need to be made smaller(by doubling and halving the hole sizes) to beat snakes and mice.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

Bird netting as used on trees will stop snakes, I am told. They get tangled in it.

Colourbond fence 5’ tall with all posts and supports on the inside.

I doubt they’d climb a colourbond fence though I’ve never put one to that test.

They cannot climb smooth surfaces, they need to grip something. Tiger snakes are very good at climbing trees, dugites will readily go down holes.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Colourbond fence 5’ tall with all posts and supports on the inside.

I doubt they’d climb a colourbond fence though I’ve never put one to that test.

They cannot climb smooth surfaces, they need to grip something. Tiger snakes are very good at climbing trees, dugites will readily go down holes.

Yep. They’ll get so far up a smooth surface and fall off.

My aviary has the mesh type bird wire. (like a miniature weldmesh)
The mesh goes completely underneath as I wrapped it right around the frame.. Then I tied strips of the same mesh anglerd down and away, to stop foxes.

However, the snakes and mice do not find it a barrier.

A proper rabbit fence has the wire buried in the ground to stop rabbits digging under but wherever a mouse can get through, so can a snake.

Snakes will also be more determined to gain entry if they can smell mice.

Yes mice are a bugger of a pest when trying to make something pest-proof for other species. In my place I was going to construct a bathroom and left gaps in the slab for the pipes, but later changed my mind and put the bathroom elsewhere. I filled the gaps with gravel hoping this would keep things out, but the mice got in along with various invertebrates and on several occasions a dugite.

Fortunately, snakes don’t bother me and I know if I leave them alone they will leave me alone, so I would just let them go where they wanted and when they had checked everything out they would leave, which on one occasion was by the door where it was waiting to be let out. So depending on what else you have in your area and how determined they are to get to the other side of the fence, will determine how successful you will be on keeping them out.

Stainless steel scourers.. stuff these tight into spaces rather than gravel. Mice can move gravel but the stainless steel blunts their teeth.

roughbarked said:

Snakes will also be more determined to gain entry if they can smell mice.

That is for sure. The 4’ dugite I mentioned a few days ago about checking out my raised garden beds must have terrorized the local bushrats as they all disappeared for a few days. They are starting to move back now, so the dugite must be busy checking other areas. Had one of our goannas been around then the dugite would probably have by-passed my place, so they are probably on walkabout too. They all will however, return in the not too distant future.

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

I’m afraid bird mesh angled or otherwise is completely out of the question.

I watch snakes go up and down it with ease in my aviary.

Bird netting as used on trees will stop snakes, I am told. They get tangled in it.

only if they come back down full of eggs or birds.

Not on the tree. Placed near the ground as a low fence with some lying on the ground. I have never seen it work, but someone told me about it. The snakes are supposed to get caught in it because of their scales somehow as they try to back out. Mind you, it wouldn’t be too good for the snake.

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

Bird netting as used on trees will stop snakes, I am told. They get tangled in it.

only if they come back down full of eggs or birds.

Not on the tree. Placed near the ground as a low fence with some lying on the ground. I have never seen it work, but someone told me about it. The snakes are supposed to get caught in it because of their scales somehow as they try to back out. Mind you, it wouldn’t be too good for the snake.

I’ve described how I built my aviary. It is impenetrable to all larger beings that my eat birds but is not proof against mice and snakes. The snakes can get in via the mice tunneling and can climb the walls and climb back down again. I’ve observed it hundreds of times. The bird wire is no barrier to smaller snakes up to four feet long.

Snakes often get caught in wire netting or bird mesh. They do this because though they could get into the chook pen or aviary, they couldn’t get out because their belly is full of eggs or birds. They generally die before they digest their meal.

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

only if they come back down full of eggs or birds.

Not on the tree. Placed near the ground as a low fence with some lying on the ground. I have never seen it work, but someone told me about it. The snakes are supposed to get caught in it because of their scales somehow as they try to back out. Mind you, it wouldn’t be too good for the snake.

I’ve described how I built my aviary. It is impenetrable to all larger beings that my eat birds but is not proof against mice and snakes. The snakes can get in via the mice tunneling and can climb the walls and climb back down again. I’ve observed it hundreds of times. The bird wire is no barrier to smaller snakes up to four feet long.

The difference with the bird netting is it’s flexibility.

I found a shingleback stuck in the chicken wire around my garden a while back. Its mate was next to it, waiting patiently. It was lucky I spotted it.

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

Bird netting as used on trees will stop snakes, I am told. They get tangled in it.

only if they come back down full of eggs or birds.

Not on the tree. Placed near the ground as a low fence with some lying on the ground. I have never seen it work, but someone told me about it. The snakes are supposed to get caught in it because of their scales somehow as they try to back out. Mind you, it wouldn’t be too good for the snake.

Not quite sure what you mean, but snakes do not have problems going in any direction on and around trees.

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

only if they come back down full of eggs or birds.

Not on the tree. Placed near the ground as a low fence with some lying on the ground. I have never seen it work, but someone told me about it. The snakes are supposed to get caught in it because of their scales somehow as they try to back out. Mind you, it wouldn’t be too good for the snake.

Not quite sure what you mean, but snakes do not have problems going in any direction on and around trees.

Tiger snakes I might add do climb quite tall trees (30’) to eat young birds and eggs and have no difficulty getting down again. I recall on one occasion a tiger snake had climbed a small tree that had a birds nest with 3 or possibly 4 chicks. The parents were doing their block trying to drive it off, which drew my attention to it. The snake had taken one chick when upon seeing me dropped to the ground and disappeared. The remaining chicks were totally traumatized, being wide-eyed and swaying from side to side. As the snake had gone I left them hoping they would recover, but on checking a couple of hours later they had all been eaten and only an empty nest remained.

Around here they use 6mm mesh fences buried 200mm,, 800mm exposed height.

no one i have talked to believes in those sonic snake deterrents,if they work, might be an idea tospace them out along the fence

>no one i have talked to believes in those sonic snake deterrents,if they work, might be an idea tospace them out along the fence

Had couple them going for maybe three hours, near drove me and other and the dog mad.

If its a golf course what type of pedestrian and vehicle access do you have

transition said:

>no one i have talked to believes in those sonic snake deterrents,if they work, might be an idea tospace them out along the fence

Had couple them going for maybe three hours, near drove me and other and the dog mad.

it’s strange around here, most people would believe you if you told them the word ‘gullible’ had been taken out of the dictionary… But they are all skeptical on those snake things. did you find yours worked, even if it was annoying?

stumpy_seahorse said:

transition said:

>no one i have talked to believes in those sonic snake deterrents,if they work, might be an idea tospace them out along the fence

Had couple them going for maybe three hours, near drove me and other and the dog mad.

it’s strange around here, most people would believe you if you told them the word ‘gullible’ had been taken out of the dictionary… But they are all skeptical on those snake things. did you find yours worked, even if it was annoying?

Hang on boys and girls.. Snakes may have no arms, they also have no ears. ie ; sonics ain’t gonna cut it.

>it’s strange around here, most people would believe you if you told them the word ‘gullible’ had been taken out of the dictionary… But they are all skeptical on those snake things. did you find yours worked, even if it was annoying?

Worst year saw three young browns x-mas to february, other years none, so hardly a problem. They were a gift. As things went the gadgets still were audible even properly buried, even with a bit of wind they were annoying, so would have been worse in very still quiet conditions.

Anyway always plenty noise around here, way too busy for a snake to hang around.

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

Not on the tree. Placed near the ground as a low fence with some lying on the ground. I have never seen it work, but someone told me about it. The snakes are supposed to get caught in it because of their scales somehow as they try to back out. Mind you, it wouldn’t be too good for the snake.

I’ve described how I built my aviary. It is impenetrable to all larger beings that my eat birds but is not proof against mice and snakes. The snakes can get in via the mice tunneling and can climb the walls and climb back down again. I’ve observed it hundreds of times. The bird wire is no barrier to smaller snakes up to four feet long.

The difference with the bird netting is it’s flexibility.

I found a shingleback stuck in the chicken wire around my garden a while back. Its mate was next to it, waiting patiently. It was lucky I spotted it.

You see, that shinglebacks and striped skinks are both unable to wiggle through wire. So in reality all this trap of loose bird netting will do is kill a lot of useful and harmless lizards.

transition said:

>it’s strange around here, most people would believe you if you told them the word ‘gullible’ had been taken out of the dictionary… But they are all skeptical on those snake things. did you find yours worked, even if it was annoying?

Worst year saw three young browns x-mas to february, other years none, so hardly a problem. They were a gift. As things went the gadgets still were audible even properly buried, even with a bit of wind they were annoying, so would have been worse in very still quiet conditions.

Anyway always plenty noise around here, way too busy for a snake to hang around.

Noise doesn’t work with snakes unless it is vibratory thumping.

stumpy_seahorse said:

Around here they use 6mm mesh fences buried 200mm,, 800mm exposed height.

no one i have talked to believes in those sonic snake deterrents,if they work, might be an idea tospace them out along the fence

6mm mesh eh?

roughbarked said:

transition said:

>it’s strange around here, most people would believe you if you told them the word ‘gullible’ had been taken out of the dictionary… But they are all skeptical on those snake things. did you find yours worked, even if it was annoying?

Worst year saw three young browns x-mas to february, other years none, so hardly a problem. They were a gift. As things went the gadgets still were audible even properly buried, even with a bit of wind they were annoying, so would have been worse in very still quiet conditions.

Anyway always plenty noise around here, way too busy for a snake to hang around.

Noise doesn’t work with snakes unless it is vibratory thumping.

Yeah, the mouse footsteps they can hear are just like that…

facepalm

stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

transition said:

>it’s strange around here, most people would believe you if you told them the word ‘gullible’ had been taken out of the dictionary… But they are all skeptical on those snake things. did you find yours worked, even if it was annoying?

Worst year saw three young browns x-mas to february, other years none, so hardly a problem. They were a gift. As things went the gadgets still were audible even properly buried, even with a bit of wind they were annoying, so would have been worse in very still quiet conditions.

Anyway always plenty noise around here, way too busy for a snake to hang around.

Noise doesn’t work with snakes unless it is vibratory thumping.

Yeah, the mouse footsteps they can hear are just like that…

facepalm

they feel mouse footsteps but don’t hear them.

Spiny Norman said:

it isn’t photoshopped either.

>Noise doesn’t work with snakes unless it is vibratory thumping.

Well yeah you can feel the music through the ground quite some distance around here. Doesn’t deter the birds(feathered variety) none seemingly, in fact some varieties (especially fedglings) seem very attracted by, well, the music I play anyway, they come right up into the tree near the PA cab’s.

Snakes aren’t real problem here really.

The snake repellers tried here seemed to use a motorized vibrator maybe, perhaps compact ones similar to mobile phones, not sure as had a piezo sound about it also, anyway whatever it were it were in a tube, and although the tube were buried the sound/vibration generating device/s were not encapsulated and the sound not blocked from going up the tube, so was quite audible at a distance, 20-30feet here along nearest fences.

Was meant to deter mice also, so maybe the piezo sound was for the mice. Dunno. I prefer to murder mice with blood thinners anyway, then watch the ants eat them. Much more satisfying.

roughbarked said:

Noise doesn’t work with snakes unless it is vibratory thumping.

Sometimes the noise attracts them, something you have to be aware of when using gensets in the scrub.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

roughbarked said:

Noise doesn’t work with snakes unless it is vibratory thumping.

Sometimes the noise attracts them, something you have to be aware of when using gensets in the scrub.

yep. However, it is vibrations rather than sounds.

roughbarked said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

roughbarked said:

Noise doesn’t work with snakes unless it is vibratory thumping.

Sometimes the noise attracts them, something you have to be aware of when using gensets in the scrub.

yep. However, it is vibrations rather than sounds.

By “noise”, I meant “Vibrations”. :p

Carmen_Sandiego said:

roughbarked said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Sometimes the noise attracts them, something you have to be aware of when using gensets in the scrub.

yep. However, it is vibrations rather than sounds.

By “noise”, I meant “Vibrations”. :p

I know :)

I was listening to the local ABC radio on my way home yesterday arvo and there was a conversation going on about snake deterrents.

It appears that snake poo will deter snakes, in particular viper snakes will avoid an area with python poo. This also keeps the mouse count down. Also apparently a teaspoon or camphor flakes (naphthalene or 1 moth ball) to a litre of water and spray around the area.

Spider Lily said:

I was listening to the local ABC radio on my way home yesterday arvo and there was a conversation going on about snake deterrents.

It appears that snake poo will deter snakes, in particular viper snakes will avoid an area with python poo. This also keeps the mouse count down. Also apparently a teaspoon or camphor flakes (naphthalene or 1 moth ball) to a litre of water and spray around the area.

The mythbusters tested a whole range of things which didn’t work but I don’t recall them using specific snake poo.

Spider Lily said:

I was listening to the local ABC radio on my way home yesterday arvo and there was a conversation going on about snake deterrents.

It appears that snake poo will deter snakes, in particular viper snakes will avoid an area with python poo.

So where do you get the snake poo from?

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Spider Lily said:

I was listening to the local ABC radio on my way home yesterday arvo and there was a conversation going on about snake deterrents.

It appears that snake poo will deter snakes, in particular viper snakes will avoid an area with python poo.

So where do you get the snake poo from?

:)

So where do you get the snake poo from?

the arses of snakes probably.

JudgeMental said:

So where do you get the snake poo from?

the arses of snakes probably.

oh the imagery. :)

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Spider Lily said:

I was listening to the local ABC radio on my way home yesterday arvo and there was a conversation going on about snake deterrents.

It appears that snake poo will deter snakes, in particular viper snakes will avoid an area with python poo.

So where do you get the snake poo from?

http://www.amazingamazon.com.au/snake-poop-python-poo-for-sale.html

Rather a popular item of sale I believe :)

Spider Lily said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Spider Lily said:

I was listening to the local ABC radio on my way home yesterday arvo and there was a conversation going on about snake deterrents.

It appears that snake poo will deter snakes, in particular viper snakes will avoid an area with python poo.

So where do you get the snake poo from?

http://www.amazingamazon.com.au/snake-poop-python-poo-for-sale.html

Rather a popular item of sale I believe :)

Well python owners do need to get rid of the poo. What better than to create a market for it?

trained sniffer dogs?

You could just ask our illustrious Premier to get rid of the snakes for you P_P. He will probably just get professional trapper to catch them, and then use the snake flesh to bait the drum lines for his “kill all the sharks” policy. Two birds with one stone, he is so clever is our Premier…

snakes have internal ear bits. they can hear. they also pick up sounds through changes in air pressure in their lungs. ground vibration through their belly muscles. sounds are vibrations btw.

JudgeMental said:

snakes have internal ear bits. they can hear. they also pick up sounds through changes in air pressure in their lungs. ground vibration through their belly muscles. sounds are vibrations btw.

Yes, we know. It is more about definitions of ‘hearing’ and ‘sonics’

It is more about definitions of ‘hearing’ and ‘sonics’

ok, tell us what your definitions are?

Snakes may be sensual but it doesn’t make them stupid. They can sense vibrations and are able to discern whether it is worth eating or avoiding by the nature of the vibrations.

JudgeMental said:

It is more about definitions of ‘hearing’ and ‘sonics’

ok, tell us what your definitions are?

I;ve already done that. go and get yourself another coffee.

Snakes may be sensual but it doesn’t make them stupid.

lol, you need to watch animal house.

JudgeMental said:

Snakes may be sensual but it doesn’t make them stupid.

lol, you need to watch animal house.

:)

Morning all.

We had a lot of snakes here when we first moved in. Mainly Carpet snakes but a couple of Taipans and Rough scaled snakes.
Gradually the Lace monitors here grew & over time ate the smaller snakes so now we only get the occasional python.
So to keep the snakes away, breed Lace monitors/goannas.

I;ve already done that. go and get yourself another coffee.

not really.

http://thereptiletimes.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/can-snakes-hear-sound-detection-in-serpents-august-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-133

read some science.

so snakes can hear airborne sounds and feel vibrations. just different to what we can.

JudgeMental said:

I;ve already done that. go and get yourself another coffee.

not really.

http://thereptiletimes.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/can-snakes-hear-sound-detection-in-serpents-august-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-133

read some science.

so snakes can hear airborne sounds and feel vibrations. just different to what we can.

Most snakes can but AFAIK Death adders can’t feel vibrations. They are ambush feeders & use eyesight instead.

JudgeMental said:

I;ve already done that. go and get yourself another coffee.

not really.

http://thereptiletimes.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/can-snakes-hear-sound-detection-in-serpents-august-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-133

read some science.

so snakes can hear airborne sounds and feel vibrations. just different to what we can.

That’s what I meant all along. Just because I didn’t quote a reference is neither hear nor there. ;)

You knew it and I knew it.

well then roughie say what you mean clearly. go for quality rather than quantity.

death adders are also known as deaf adders. this was because it was widely believed that the reason they didn’t move when approached was because they couldn’t hear. this is false. they rely on camouflage to keep themselves hidden and so don’t move until the prey is within range. i would imagine they feel vibrations just as well as other snakes.

Michael V said:

Construct it from snake catchers.

Oi!

Here’s a snake visiting a friend of mine

JudgeMental said:

well then roughie say what you mean clearly. go for quality rather than quantity.

can I be excused for believing that on this forum at least, that people actually watch science reporting on the abc?

Try again

nice olive.

And again

JudgeMental said:

death adders are also known as deaf adders. this was because it was widely believed that the reason they didn’t move when approached was because they couldn’t hear. this is false. they rely on camouflage to keep themselves hidden and so don’t move until the prey is within range. i would imagine they feel vibrations just as well as other snakes.

Correct. What most people should also be aware of is that by dint of the physics of it all, snakes can only use the leverage available to enable the striking distance achievable. The death adder therefore can only strike approximately nine inches from it’s face… It uses the tail to attract a victim to within this range.

i watch and read science wherever i can. not just the abc. plus i have known and worked with some of the most knowledgeable herpetologists in australia.

it is the direct url tamb in the choices.

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

death adders are also known as deaf adders. this was because it was widely believed that the reason they didn’t move when approached was because they couldn’t hear. this is false. they rely on camouflage to keep themselves hidden and so don’t move until the prey is within range. i would imagine they feel vibrations just as well as other snakes.

Correct. What most people should also be aware of is that by dint of the physics of it all, snakes can only use the leverage available to enable the striking distance achievable. The death adder therefore can only strike approximately nine inches from it’s face… It uses the tail to attract a victim to within this range.

Therefore, if you are silly enough to place your ankle within this range you may get a sharp surprise.

JudgeMental said:

i watch and read science wherever i can. not just the abc. plus i have known and worked with some of the most knowledgeable herpetologists in australia.

I sensed that already ;)

JudgeMental said:

it is the direct url tamb in the choices.

yep.

Finally got it to work. I hadn’t copied the full url the first couple of times. Maybe I need more coffee.

JudgeMental said:

i watch and read science wherever i can. not just the abc. plus i have known and worked with some of the most knowledgeable herpetologists in australia.

* Has herpetologist envy *

Tamb said:

Finally got it to work. I hadn’t copied the full url the first couple of times. Maybe I need more coffee.

Shouldn’t have to worry… Use the gear icon to hover over select the get links and click the direct link selection.. it auto-copies the link.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

death adders are also known as deaf adders. this was because it was widely believed that the reason they didn’t move when approached was because they couldn’t hear. this is false. they rely on camouflage to keep themselves hidden and so don’t move until the prey is within range. i would imagine they feel vibrations just as well as other snakes.

Correct. What most people should also be aware of is that by dint of the physics of it all, snakes can only use the leverage available to enable the striking distance achievable. The death adder therefore can only strike approximately nine inches from it’s face… It uses the tail to attract a victim to within this range.

Therefore, if you are silly enough to place your ankle within this range you may get a sharp surprise.

Death adders unlike most other snakes tend not to flee when approached so I suppose that’s where the deaf adder idea came from.

tamb just left click on the direct link and it copies automatically.

http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a466/Tamburlaine/1017661_10152107696395862_869717489_n_zps0accd611.jpg

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Finally got it to work. I hadn’t copied the full url the first couple of times. Maybe I need more coffee.

Shouldn’t have to worry… Use the gear icon to hover over select the get links and click the direct link selection.. it auto-copies the link.

That’s what I finally did. Sometimes I’m pretty dumb.

ms spock said:

JudgeMental said:

i watch and read science wherever i can. not just the abc. plus i have known and worked with some of the most knowledgeable herpetologists in australia.

* Has herpetologist envy *

me too but the herpetologists have never been shortcoming with information supplied to the public.. it is all a matter of whether they hear the vibrations offered.

Sometimes I’m pretty dumb.

yeah.

;-)

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

death adders are also known as deaf adders. this was because it was widely believed that the reason they didn’t move when approached was because they couldn’t hear. this is false. they rely on camouflage to keep themselves hidden and so don’t move until the prey is within range. i would imagine they feel vibrations just as well as other snakes.

Correct. What most people should also be aware of is that by dint of the physics of it all, snakes can only use the leverage available to enable the striking distance achievable. The death adder therefore can only strike approximately nine inches from it’s face… It uses the tail to attract a victim to within this range.

Therefore, if you are silly enough to place your ankle within this range you may get a sharp surprise.

Indeed and we all take our crepe bandages when we bush walk.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Correct. What most people should also be aware of is that by dint of the physics of it all, snakes can only use the leverage available to enable the striking distance achievable. The death adder therefore can only strike approximately nine inches from it’s face… It uses the tail to attract a victim to within this range.

Therefore, if you are silly enough to place your ankle within this range you may get a sharp surprise.

Death adders unlike most other snakes tend not to flee when approached so I suppose that’s where the deaf adder idea came from.

Another aspect people don’t add to the equation is that reptiles are cold blooded and that the death adder hides in the lee of a rock or log. It would take more energy to flee than strike and after all that’s why the snake is adopting the position in the first place.

Tamb said:

And again

Bewtifuuul

roughbarked said:

ms spock said:

JudgeMental said:

i watch and read science wherever i can. not just the abc. plus i have known and worked with some of the most knowledgeable herpetologists in australia.

* Has herpetologist envy *

me too but the herpetologists have never been shortcoming with information supplied to the public.. it is all a matter of whether they hear the vibrations offered.

the snakes or the herpetologists?

striking and envenoming takes more energy than leaving the scene. that is why most snakes go or if they strike a large intruder it is a dry strike. no point wasting venom.

ms spock said:

roughbarked said:

ms spock said:

* Has herpetologist envy *

me too but the herpetologists have never been shortcoming with information supplied to the public.. it is all a matter of whether they hear the vibrations offered.

the snakes or the herpetologists?

:) sorry. The public.

JudgeMental said:

striking and envenoming takes more energy than leaving the scene. that is why most snakes go or if they strike a large intruder it is a dry strike. no point wasting venom.

Correct also..

Many snakes use several feint strikes to chase off offenders bigger than themselves not worth wasting venom on until they are eventually forced to envenomate by the attacker not retreating. Not so sure the death adder thinks this far ahead.

one of my darwin snake mates. paul horner. ex curator of vertebrates darwin museum.

JudgeMental said:

striking and envenoming takes more energy than leaving the scene. that is why most snakes go or if they strike a large intruder it is a dry strike. no point wasting venom.

It is biologically expensive to produce. Waste not, want not.

JudgeMental said:

one of my darwin snake mates. paul horner. ex curator of vertebrates darwin museum.

With those bare expanses, he’s lucky he didn’t pick on a brown.

roughbarked said:

ms spock said:

roughbarked said:

me too but the herpetologists have never been shortcoming with information supplied to the public.. it is all a matter of whether they hear the vibrations offered.

the snakes or the herpetologists?

:) sorry. The public.

Ah I get it now.

JudgeMental said:

one of my darwin snake mates. paul horner. ex curator of vertebrates darwin museum.

Wow!

he’s lucky he didn’t pick on a brown.

he wouldn’t be worried about that. once saw him with a 3 metre king brown wrapped around him getting ticks out of its face. the snakes head was just resting in his hand.

Anyway, as our Boris keeps telling me, I’m not saying anything that any of the readers couldn’t have got off their TV.

Probably should shift my arse in a productive direction…

JudgeMental said:

he’s lucky he didn’t pick on a brown.

he wouldn’t be worried about that. once saw him with a 3 metre king brown wrapped around him getting ticks out of its face. the snakes head was just resting in his hand.

Yes. I’ve handled browns, as well. ;)

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

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one of my darwin snake mates. paul horner. ex curator of vertebrates darwin museum.

With those bare expanses, he’s lucky he didn’t pick on a brown.

Biggest python I’ve handled was up here in FNQ. 5.7 metres.

JudgeMental said:

i watch and read science wherever i can. not just the abc. plus i have known and worked with some of the most knowledgeable herpetologists in australia.

Not Raymond Hoser?

Raymond Hoser

no, never heard of him and looking at his wiki page….well doesn’t look professional.

JudgeMental said:

Raymond Hoser

no, never heard of him and looking at his wiki page….well doesn’t look professional.

with snakes, if he was actually playing with them, he’d possibly be dead?

he may be a perfectly good handler not a very good taxonomist.

>trained sniffer dogs?

My dog knows the smell of shinglebacks well, can smell them fifteen feet away without having seen them.

JudgeMental said:

Raymond Hoser

no, never heard of him and looking at his wiki page….well doesn’t look professional.

Bloke is a fruitcake.

looks like it. with quite a few nuts added.

:-)

JudgeMental said:

he may be a perfectly good handler not a very good taxonomist.

an element of truth exists.

Skunkworks said:

JudgeMental said:

Raymond Hoser

no, never heard of him and looking at his wiki page….well doesn’t look professional.

Bloke is a fruitcake.

As said, nut and fruit.

Yes. I’ve handled browns, as well.

and i’m a bricklayer cos i’ve put one brick on top of another.

JudgeMental said:

Yes. I’ve handled browns, as well.

and i’m a bricklayer cos i’ve put one brick on top of another.

I’ve done that too but it doesn’t make me a pro other than it is all still standing up.. Just what do you think you are trying to achieve?

dunno roughie what are trying to prove with these statements?

JudgeMental said:

dunno roughie what are trying to prove with these statements?

That you have no need to ask such questions?

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

dunno roughie what are trying to prove with these statements?

That you have no need to ask such questions?

I am here. I’ve held brown snakes in various embraces.. yet I am still here.

thing is he wasn’t holding the snake. plus he had tweezers in the other hand to remove the ticks from its face. not quite the same as just holding one.

JudgeMental said:

thing is he wasn’t holding the snake. plus he had tweezers in the other hand to remove the ticks from its face. not quite the same as just holding one.

stating obvious..

dogs with fricken laser beams on their head.

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

only if they come back down full of eggs or birds.

Not on the tree. Placed near the ground as a low fence with some lying on the ground. I have never seen it work, but someone told me about it. The snakes are supposed to get caught in it because of their scales somehow as they try to back out. Mind you, it wouldn’t be too good for the snake.

Not quite sure what you mean, but snakes do not have problems going in any direction on and around trees.

I thought I had made it quite clear that I was not talking about trees. If you read carefully, you will see that I said placed on the ground as a low fence, with some remaining on the surface of the ground. Imagine that there is no tree for 100 metres in any direction. The concept is that the snake will first try to go through the mesh. Unlike wire mesh, bird netting is flexible and so much harder to back out of. So as it tries to back out,the snake becomes entangled. The fact the bird netting is flexible means that it will move as the snake struggles, so entangling it further. That is the theory anyway. As I say, I have never seen it work though you can find lots of pictures of it on the internet.

As I also commented, it won’t be very nice for the snake.

Scroll down this link to see what I mean.

http://vichorse.com/forum/index.php?&t=msg&th=52222

chook coop built on stones

morrie said:

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

Not on the tree. Placed near the ground as a low fence with some lying on the ground. I have never seen it work, but someone told me about it. The snakes are supposed to get caught in it because of their scales somehow as they try to back out. Mind you, it wouldn’t be too good for the snake.

Not quite sure what you mean, but snakes do not have problems going in any direction on and around trees.

I thought I had made it quite clear that I was not talking about trees. If you read carefully, you will see that I said placed on the ground as a low fence, with some remaining on the surface of the ground. Imagine that there is no tree for 100 metres in any direction. The concept is that the snake will first try to go through the mesh. Unlike wire mesh, bird netting is flexible and so much harder to back out of. So as it tries to back out,the snake becomes entangled. The fact the bird netting is flexible means that it will move as the snake struggles, so entangling it further. That is the theory anyway. As I say, I have never seen it work though you can find lots of pictures of it on the internet.

As I also commented, it won’t be very nice for the snake.

Scroll down this link to see what I mean.

http://vichorse.com/forum/index.php?&t=msg&th=52222

Well you did not make it clear! And I was fully aware you were not talking about trees. but just what does the following mean? “I said placed on the ground as a low fence, with some remaining on the surface of the ground.” Sorry I don’t do cryptic puzzles.

A very strong sensory organ of snakes is their tongue that tastes the air and permits them to track prey very effectively, even when well beyond sight or soil vibrations.

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

PermeateFree said:

Not quite sure what you mean, but snakes do not have problems going in any direction on and around trees.

I thought I had made it quite clear that I was not talking about trees. If you read carefully, you will see that I said placed on the ground as a low fence, with some remaining on the surface of the ground. Imagine that there is no tree for 100 metres in any direction. The concept is that the snake will first try to go through the mesh. Unlike wire mesh, bird netting is flexible and so much harder to back out of. So as it tries to back out,the snake becomes entangled. The fact the bird netting is flexible means that it will move as the snake struggles, so entangling it further. That is the theory anyway. As I say, I have never seen it work though you can find lots of pictures of it on the internet.

As I also commented, it won’t be very nice for the snake.

Scroll down this link to see what I mean.

http://vichorse.com/forum/index.php?&t=msg&th=52222

Well you did not make it clear! And I was fully aware you were not talking about trees. but just what does the following mean? “I said placed on the ground as a low fence, with some remaining on the surface of the ground.” Sorry I don’t do cryptic puzzles.

No you don’t do you. I’m afraid that I can’t help your comprehension and language skills. You will just have to use your imagination if you have any of that.

morrie said:

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

I thought I had made it quite clear that I was not talking about trees. If you read carefully, you will see that I said placed on the ground as a low fence, with some remaining on the surface of the ground. Imagine that there is no tree for 100 metres in any direction. The concept is that the snake will first try to go through the mesh. Unlike wire mesh, bird netting is flexible and so much harder to back out of. So as it tries to back out,the snake becomes entangled. The fact the bird netting is flexible means that it will move as the snake struggles, so entangling it further. That is the theory anyway. As I say, I have never seen it work though you can find lots of pictures of it on the internet.

As I also commented, it won’t be very nice for the snake.

Scroll down this link to see what I mean.

http://vichorse.com/forum/index.php?&t=msg&th=52222

Well you did not make it clear! And I was fully aware you were not talking about trees. but just what does the following mean? “I said placed on the ground as a low fence, with some remaining on the surface of the ground.” Sorry I don’t do cryptic puzzles.

No you don’t do you. I’m afraid that I can’t help your comprehension and language skills. You will just have to use your imagination if you have any of that.

I think you are going senile morrie. Does Alzheimers run in the family?

Oh dear, here we go again. You really do get yourself into a pickle don’t you? Perhaps you could read the posts in the link I provided? Maybe their descriptions will prove more lucid. This one, perhaps?

“Mac, I think you wanna pin it to your fence so it’s sort of doubled over and loosish, not stretched tight, if you understand me.”

To be honest, I am rather surprised than someone with all your bush expertise has never heard of it.

morrie said:

Oh dear, here we go again. You really do get yourself into a pickle don’t you? Perhaps you could read the posts in the link I provided? Maybe their descriptions will prove more lucid. This one, perhaps?

“Mac, I think you wanna pin it to your fence so it’s sort of doubled over and loosish, not stretched tight, if you understand me.”

To be honest, I am rather surprised than someone with all your bush expertise has never heard of it.

Perhaps because I treat snakes and other indigenous creatures with respect and do not knowingly harm them. It is a pity that people who call themselves Australians have absolutely no regard for their countries heritage.

PermeateFree said:

A very strong sensory organ of snakes is their tongue that tastes the air and permits them to track prey very effectively, even when well beyond sight or soil vibrations.

good good good vibrations

A very strong sensory organ of snakes is their tongue that tastes the air and permits them to track prey very effectively, even when well beyond sight or soil vibrations.

i think it is a case of the tongue picking up the molecules of scent then transferring them to its jacobson organ located in the roof of the mouth.

http://www.livescience.com/33325-snake-flick-tongue.html

oh yeah, I forgot.

Just dig a big pit, learn how to ‘snake charm’ then use them as your personal security to keep other nasty creatures out..