can anyone identify this for me?

looks like nightshade…weed.

http://brisbanelocalfood.ning.com/group/edible-weeds/forum/topics/blackberry-nightshade-solanum-nigrum?commentId=2047708%3AComment%3A192948&groupId=2047708%3AGroup%3A191116

Thanks JM, that looks like it

deadly nightshade. Has an atropine like substance in it?

transition said:

deadly nightshade. Has an atropine like substance in it?

is ok.. Mrs SS is pulling it out of the ground right now

Weed.

Nuke from orbit.

>is ok.. Mrs SS is pulling it out of the ground right now

have plenty aound here, grows around troughs a lot, sheep eat it off coming into dry weather, doesn’t seem to kill them. Dad always warned us from toddler age not to eat it.

transition said:

>is ok.. Mrs SS is pulling it out of the ground right now

have plenty aound here, grows around troughs a lot, sheep eat it off coming into dry weather, doesn’t seem to kill them. Dad always warned us from toddler age not to eat it.

we’ll get rid of it, it’s in the house yard, not the sheep yard, but if i find it resprouting, i’ll pop it in with the sheep. cheers

>i’ll pop it in with the sheep

No, I was suggesting don’t do that, we have extra tough sheep here.

transition said:

>i’ll pop it in with the sheep

No, I was suggesting don’t do that, we have extra tough sheep here.

ok… won’t do that then

Considered poisonous overseas but fruits tested in NSW have consistently given negative results to alkaloid tests, although McBarron (1976) has recorded circumstantial evidence for thr poisoning of pigs. Whittet (1968)notes that toxicity of plant may vary according gto soil type climate and condition of growth. Henderson (1974), Cribb and Cribb (1974) indicate that completely ripe berries may be eaten without ill effects but that immature fruits should be regarded as toxic.

Taken from Plants of Western NSW Cunningham, Mulham, Milthorpe and Leigh.

>Taken from Plants of Western NSW Cunningham, Mulham, Milthorpe and Leigh

cheers, RB.

stumpy_seahorse said:

transition said:

>is ok.. Mrs SS is pulling it out of the ground right now

have plenty aound here, grows around troughs a lot, sheep eat it off coming into dry weather, doesn’t seem to kill them. Dad always warned us from toddler age not to eat it.

we’ll get rid of it, it’s in the house yard, not the sheep yard, but if i find it resprouting, i’ll pop it in with the sheep. cheers

It’s black nightshade, not deadly nightshade. Until the berries are completely black (not dark purple or green), they are poisonous. When fully ripe, they taste like sweet tomatoes, and are quite yummy.

>It’s black nightshade, not deadly nightshade. Until the berries are completely black (not dark purple or green), they are poisonous. When fully ripe, they taste like sweet tomatoes, and are quite yummy.

Cheers, Michael.

Michael V said:

It’s black nightshade, not deadly nightshade. Until the berries are completely black (not dark purple or green), they are poisonous. When fully ripe, they taste like sweet tomatoes, and are quite yummy.

Yep. That’s what I said.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

It’s black nightshade, not deadly nightshade. Until the berries are completely black (not dark purple or green), they are poisonous. When fully ripe, they taste like sweet tomatoes, and are quite yummy.

Yep. That’s what I said.

Thanks RB and MV.

it’s gone to the junk pile now

roughbarked said:

Henderson (1974), Cribb and Cribb (1974) indicate that completely ripe berries may be eaten without ill effects but that immature fruits should be regarded as toxic.

Michael V said:

It’s black nightshade, not deadly nightshade. Until the berries are completely black (not dark purple or green), they are poisonous. When fully ripe, they taste like sweet tomatoes, and are quite yummy.

Interesting! Although I’ve always known it as white nightshade (due to the colour of the flowers rather than the fruits).

Anecdotally, the freshly crushed leaves can be used to treat cold sores – I don’t know if this has been tested scientifically, but I’ve seen it work well over the years with quite a few cold sore sufferers.

>Anecdotally, the freshly crushed leaves can be used to treat cold sores – I don’t know if this has been tested scientifically, but I’ve seen it work well over the years with quite a few cold sore sufferers.

probably quite a few things applied to herpes externally reduce viral replication etc.

PM 2Ring said:

roughbarked said:

Henderson (1974), Cribb and Cribb (1974) indicate that completely ripe berries may be eaten without ill effects but that immature fruits should be regarded as toxic.

Michael V said:

It’s black nightshade, not deadly nightshade. Until the berries are completely black (not dark purple or green), they are poisonous. When fully ripe, they taste like sweet tomatoes, and are quite yummy.

Interesting! Although I’ve always known it as white nightshade (due to the colour of the flowers rather than the fruits).

Anecdotally, the freshly crushed leaves can be used to treat cold sores – I don’t know if this has been tested scientifically, but I’ve seen it work well over the years with quite a few cold sore sufferers.

yeah, JM’s link says “An ointment can be made from the entire plant as a cold sore remedy. It has proven abillitiy to heal gastric ulcers, prevent elileptic seizures, relieve heartburn and work as an anti-inflammatory.”

transition said:

>Anecdotally, the freshly crushed leaves can be used to treat cold sores – I don’t know if this has been tested scientifically, but I’ve seen it work well over the years with quite a few cold sore sufferers.

probably quite a few things applied to herpes externally reduce viral replication etc.

Sure, but I’ve never seen anything work so fast on fully blistered cold sores. A few years ago, I ran into an old friend who had a bad case of cold sores, combined with a bit of sunburn – it was so bad I almost didn’t recognise him. After 2 or 3 days of nightshade leaves, he was almost back to normal. Of course, that could be a coincidence, but he was rather impressed. :)

PM 2Ring said:

transition said:

>Anecdotally, the freshly crushed leaves can be used to treat cold sores – I don’t know if this has been tested scientifically, but I’ve seen it work well over the years with quite a few cold sore sufferers.

probably quite a few things applied to herpes externally reduce viral replication etc.

Sure, but I’ve never seen anything work so fast on fully blistered cold sores. A few years ago, I ran into an old friend who had a bad case of cold sores, combined with a bit of sunburn – it was so bad I almost didn’t recognise him. After 2 or 3 days of nightshade leaves, he was almost back to normal. Of course, that could be a coincidence, but he was rather impressed. :)

Ask a pharmacist about that….and he wouldn’t tell you ;)

all weeds are plant
all plants are weeds

weed = plant growing in the wrong place :)
rose bush in a wheat field is a weed

:)

robadob said:

all weeds are plant
all plants are weeds

weed = plant growing in the wrong place :)
rose bush in a wheat field is a weed

:)

Indeed!

>>When fully ripe, they taste like sweet tomatoes, and are quite yummy.<<

I’m not trying that.

:)

http://www.weeds.org.au/cgi-bin/weedident.cgi?tpl=plant.tpl&state=nt&s=®ion=gfu&card=H74

by the way stumpy, I found this recently. For all your weed IDing (although coming here can be quicker at times)

http://www.weeds.org.au/weedident.htm

buffy said:

by the way stumpy, I found this recently. For all your weed IDing (although coming here can be quicker at times)

http://www.weeds.org.au/weedident.htm

cheers Buffy.

Mrs SS keeps sending me pics asking me what things are.
still haven’t found the walnut tree yet

stumpy_seahorse said:

buffy said:

by the way stumpy, I found this recently. For all your weed IDing (although coming here can be quicker at times)

http://www.weeds.org.au/weedident.htm

cheers Buffy.

Mrs SS keeps sending me pics asking me what things are.
still haven’t found the walnut tree yet

It may be a seedling or a re-shooting from a previously dead looking tree that has subsequently lost its top.

roughbarked said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

buffy said:

by the way stumpy, I found this recently. For all your weed IDing (although coming here can be quicker at times)

http://www.weeds.org.au/weedident.htm

cheers Buffy.

Mrs SS keeps sending me pics asking me what things are.
still haven’t found the walnut tree yet

It may be a seedling or a re-shooting from a previously dead looking tree that has subsequently lost its top.

no, people have commented to her that the walnut tree on the property is lovely

stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

cheers Buffy.

Mrs SS keeps sending me pics asking me what things are.
still haven’t found the walnut tree yet

It may be a seedling or a re-shooting from a previously dead looking tree that has subsequently lost its top.

no, people have commented to her that the walnut tree on the property is lovely

Show me yard photos again?

The walnut tree should have green fruit on it at the moment stumpy and be in full leaf. Ours is dropping excess fruit on the ground with the heat. It should be rather large, I would think, if people comment on it. Find the shadiest place on the block and look up?

:)

roughbarked said:

Show me yard photos again?

out the back…

buffy said:

The walnut tree should have green fruit on it at the moment stumpy and be in full leaf. Ours is dropping excess fruit on the ground with the heat. It should be rather large, I would think, if people comment on it. Find the shadiest place on the block and look up?

:)

Yep. It will also be the place where the Corellas or white cockies or major mitchells, also smaller parrots would be coming to.

Nothing standing out in those images but maybe in the top image far left over the top of the sheds.. Is that your backyard too?

I think it’s in pic 3, disguised as a recycling bin.

roughbarked said:

Nothing standing out in those images but maybe in the top image far left over the top of the sheds.. Is that your backyard too?

yeah, that’s the chook shed and the bbq area

With a bit of luck your walnut won’t have one of these in it like ours did a few months ago. But you can see the leaves in this picture. They will be more dried now though:

stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

Nothing standing out in those images but maybe in the top image far left over the top of the sheds.. Is that your backyard too?

yeah, that’s the chook shed and the bbq area

Yep, well that’s why it is still alive. The chook pen.

Hang about a couple of ticks, I’ve just run outside with the camera for a ‘this is what it looks like now’ picture.

buffy said:

Hang about a couple of ticks, I’ve just run outside with the camera for a ‘this is what it looks like now’ picture.

Waiting with bated breath….

Here we go. This is the general shape and look of our tree. It is probably 30 or 40 years old:

This is what the trunk looks like:

And this is what the leaves and currently green (hiding well) fruit look like:

You can click on the links for bigger photos. Send Mrs ss the links and she can have a look around.

You didn’t have to wait that long, did you SP. I took the photos, put them from camera to computer, fiddled a bit with the size with Paint Shop Pro, uploaded them to Photobucket. Gosh I’m good. At the things I know the sequences for…

buffy said:

You didn’t have to wait that long, did you SP. I took the photos, put them from camera to computer, fiddled a bit with the size with Paint Shop Pro, uploaded them to Photobucket. Gosh I’m good. At the things I know the sequences for…

I couldn’t even look up photos that I know I have uploaded to Flickr, in the same time span but then, the NBN never did get here.

buffy said:

You didn’t have to wait that long, did you SP. I took the photos, put them from camera to computer, fiddled a bit with the size with Paint Shop Pro, uploaded them to Photobucket. Gosh I’m good. At the things I know the sequences for…

Yes, very good.

buffy said:

Here we go. This is the general shape and look of our tree. It is probably 30 or 40 years old:

You can click on the links for bigger photos. Send Mrs ss the links and she can have a look around.

done, ty buffy

No NBN here, just plain oldfashioned ADSL. Not even ADSL2.

Maybe the Wonga Vine, Pandorea pandorana, an attractive native climber. Check to see if there is a terminal leaflet (total number of leaflets therefore an odd number).

Doubtful plant?

Universal solution:

The OP is interesting as I was discussing this species, Black or Blackberry Nightshade, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanum_nigrum) only a week or so ago.

I know it as “that deadly nightshade relative” that I tell the kids not to eat and that seems to endemic to farmland on the east coast. It is toxic to stock but it is not an aggressive weed and I only have only ever noticed isolated specimens around.

There are a couple of hundred Solanum species known in Australia.

This is White Nightshade Solanaceae.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanum_douglasii

This is Deadly Nightshade… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropa_belladonna
Similar looking to Blackberry Nightshade but the berries occur singly and not in bunches.

Best avoided or else use the Captain’s solution!

This site talks about Black Nightshade as food source..

http://foragersharvest.com/black-nightshade-2/

Black nightshade is a common weed found on all the inhabited continents. It has a long and well-established history as a food source for numerous cultures around the globe. In fact, it is among the most widely used and well-documented wild foods in the world, rivaled in this respect only by a few other ubiquitous weeds such as lamb’s quarters, amaranth, and stinging nettle. There are probably over two billion people for whom the black nightshade is a regular or occasional item of diet. Yet in the predominantly “white” parts of the world—Europe and North America—the Solanum nigrum complex is widely believed to be extremely poisonous. The contradiction is stark, confusing, and quite amazing.

“The leaves and tender shoots are boiled in the same way as spinach and are eaten in many parts of India . . . The berries, when ripe, are often eaten by children and are sometimes used for preparing pies and preserves.”

I’m amazed by the things that people eat and don’t die from. There’s the case of a woman in the UK who has eaten nothing but burger flavoured crisps for 15 years, not to mention all the weird things people eat on My Strange Addiction! There’s the girl who eats pottery and cigarette ash, the woman who eats washing powder, another who drinks bleach, another who eats powdered bathroom cleanser, the teenager who eats plastic (including the remote control)… How are these people still alive?

Divine Angel said:

I’m amazed by the things that people eat and don’t die from. There’s the case of a woman in the UK who has eaten nothing but burger flavoured crisps for 15 years, not to mention all the weird things people eat on My Strange Addiction! There’s the girl who eats pottery and cigarette ash, the woman who eats washing powder, another who drinks bleach, another who eats powdered bathroom cleanser, the teenager who eats plastic (including the remote control)… How are these people still alive?

Confirmation bias.

I’m still not eating them Ian! Something about being sure of your plant ID. But I was interested in this comment of yours:

“I only have only ever noticed isolated specimens around.”

I probably pull out dozens every month in my garden. The birds bring in the seeds, I suppose. I can recognize them from about the 4 leaf stage, and out they come. Along with ivy (which I can ID at 2 leaf stage now). The nettles I let grow bigger and then use them in the compost or as a mulch around my veggies. I have a magnificent array of weeds here.

:)

Divine Angel said:

I’m amazed by the things that people eat and don’t die from. There’s the case of a woman in the UK who has eaten nothing but burger flavoured crisps for 15 years, not to mention all the weird things people eat on My Strange Addiction! There’s the girl who eats pottery and cigarette ash, the woman who eats washing powder, another who drinks bleach, another who eats powdered bathroom cleanser, the teenager who eats plastic (including the remote control)… How are these people still alive?

In the context of this thread and prompted by your handle, Angel’s trumpet might be mentioned. Another plant containing alkaloids of the tropane group. There have been numerous cases of people taking this as a recreational drug and having some rather bizzare and unpleasant experiences.

buffy said:

I’m still not eating them Ian! Something about being sure of your plant ID. But I was interested in this comment of yours:

“I only have only ever noticed isolated specimens around.”

I probably pull out dozens every month in my garden. The birds bring in the seeds, I suppose. I can recognize them from about the 4 leaf stage, and out they come. Along with ivy (which I can ID at 2 leaf stage now). The nettles I let grow bigger and then use them in the compost or as a mulch around my veggies. I have a magnificent array of weeds here.

:)

One ripe berry won’t kill you if you lick it or place it under your tongue for a moment.

morrie said:

Divine Angel said:

I’m amazed by the things that people eat and don’t die from. There’s the case of a woman in the UK who has eaten nothing but burger flavoured crisps for 15 years, not to mention all the weird things people eat on My Strange Addiction! There’s the girl who eats pottery and cigarette ash, the woman who eats washing powder, another who drinks bleach, another who eats powdered bathroom cleanser, the teenager who eats plastic (including the remote control)… How are these people still alive?

In the context of this thread and prompted by your handle, Angel’s trumpet might be mentioned. Another plant containing alkaloids of the tropane group. There have been numerous cases of people taking this as a recreational drug and having some rather bizzare and unpleasant experiences.

including temporary or more permanent blindness.

I reckon it is definitely a plant.

Whether it is a weed depends on the intentions of the owner of the land on which it is growing.

morrie said:

Divine Angel said:

I’m amazed by the things that people eat and don’t die from. There’s the case of a woman in the UK who has eaten nothing but burger flavoured crisps for 15 years, not to mention all the weird things people eat on My Strange Addiction! There’s the girl who eats pottery and cigarette ash, the woman who eats washing powder, another who drinks bleach, another who eats powdered bathroom cleanser, the teenager who eats plastic (including the remote control)… How are these people still alive?

In the context of this thread and prompted by your handle, Angel’s trumpet might be mentioned. Another plant containing alkaloids of the tropane group. There have been numerous cases of people taking this as a recreational drug and having some rather bizzare and unpleasant experiences.

Some even dying.

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

Divine Angel said:

I’m amazed by the things that people eat and don’t die from. There’s the case of a woman in the UK who has eaten nothing but burger flavoured crisps for 15 years, not to mention all the weird things people eat on My Strange Addiction! There’s the girl who eats pottery and cigarette ash, the woman who eats washing powder, another who drinks bleach, another who eats powdered bathroom cleanser, the teenager who eats plastic (including the remote control)… How are these people still alive?

In the context of this thread and prompted by your handle, Angel’s trumpet might be mentioned. Another plant containing alkaloids of the tropane group. There have been numerous cases of people taking this as a recreational drug and having some rather bizzare and unpleasant experiences.

Some even dying.

I didn’t mention that but though it is rare, anyone eating enough quantity of this plant should have already worked out that it will most likely kill them before it gets them high. gene pool.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

In the context of this thread and prompted by your handle, Angel’s trumpet might be mentioned. Another plant containing alkaloids of the tropane group. There have been numerous cases of people taking this as a recreational drug and having some rather bizzare and unpleasant experiences.

Some even dying.

I didn’t mention that but though it is rare, anyone eating enough quantity of this plant should have already worked out that it will most likely kill them before it gets them high. gene pool.

>>All Datura plants contain tropane alkaloids such as scopolamine, hyoscyamine, and atropine, primarily in their seeds and flowers. Because of the presence of these substances, Datura has been used for centuries in some cultures as a poison and as a hallucinogen. There can be a 5:1 toxin variation between plants, and a given plant’s toxicity depends on its age, where it is growing, and the local weather conditions. This variation makes Datura exceptionally hazardous as a drug.

In traditional cultures, a great deal of experience with and detailed knowledge of Datura was critical to minimize harm. Many tragic incidents result from modern recreational users ingesting Datura. For example, in the 1990s and 2000s, the United States media contained stories of adolescents and young adults dying or becoming seriously ill from intentionally ingesting Datura. There are also several reports in the medical literature of deaths from D. stramonium and D. ferox intoxication. Children are especially vulnerable to atropine poisoning, and their prognosis is likely to be fatal.

In some parts of Europe and India, Datura has been a popular poison for suicide and murder. From 1950 to 1965, the State Chemical Laboratories in Agra, India, investigated 2,778 deaths caused by ingesting Datura.<<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Some even dying.

I didn’t mention that but though it is rare, anyone eating enough quantity of this plant should have already worked out that it will most likely kill them before it gets them high. gene pool.

>>All Datura plants contain tropane alkaloids such as scopolamine, hyoscyamine, and atropine, primarily in their seeds and flowers. Because of the presence of these substances, Datura has been used for centuries in some cultures as a poison and as a hallucinogen. There can be a 5:1 toxin variation between plants, and a given plant’s toxicity depends on its age, where it is growing, and the local weather conditions. This variation makes Datura exceptionally hazardous as a drug.

In traditional cultures, a great deal of experience with and detailed knowledge of Datura was critical to minimize harm. Many tragic incidents result from modern recreational users ingesting Datura. For example, in the 1990s and 2000s, the United States media contained stories of adolescents and young adults dying or becoming seriously ill from intentionally ingesting Datura. There are also several reports in the medical literature of deaths from D. stramonium and D. ferox intoxication. Children are especially vulnerable to atropine poisoning, and their prognosis is likely to be fatal.

In some parts of Europe and India, Datura has been a popular poison for suicide and murder. From 1950 to 1965, the State Chemical Laboratories in Agra, India, investigated 2,778 deaths caused by ingesting Datura.<<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura

I was thinking more of Brugmansia, but it is much the same sort of thing. Except that it has become a popular drug of criminals in South America. There was an interesting show on the radio about it recently.

morrie said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

I didn’t mention that but though it is rare, anyone eating enough quantity of this plant should have already worked out that it will most likely kill them before it gets them high. gene pool.

>>All Datura plants contain tropane alkaloids such as scopolamine, hyoscyamine, and atropine, primarily in their seeds and flowers. Because of the presence of these substances, Datura has been used for centuries in some cultures as a poison and as a hallucinogen. There can be a 5:1 toxin variation between plants, and a given plant’s toxicity depends on its age, where it is growing, and the local weather conditions. This variation makes Datura exceptionally hazardous as a drug.

In traditional cultures, a great deal of experience with and detailed knowledge of Datura was critical to minimize harm. Many tragic incidents result from modern recreational users ingesting Datura. For example, in the 1990s and 2000s, the United States media contained stories of adolescents and young adults dying or becoming seriously ill from intentionally ingesting Datura. There are also several reports in the medical literature of deaths from D. stramonium and D. ferox intoxication. Children are especially vulnerable to atropine poisoning, and their prognosis is likely to be fatal.

In some parts of Europe and India, Datura has been a popular poison for suicide and murder. From 1950 to 1965, the State Chemical Laboratories in Agra, India, investigated 2,778 deaths caused by ingesting Datura.<<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura

I was thinking more of Brugmansia, but it is much the same sort of thing. Except that it has become a popular drug of criminals in South America. There was an interesting show on the radio about it recently.

>>All parts of Brugmansia are poisonous, with the seeds and leaves being especially dangerous. Brugmansia are rich in Scopolamine (hyoscine), hyoscyamine, and several other tropane alkaloids. Effects of ingestion can include paralysis of smooth muscles, confusion, tachycardia, dry mouth, diarrhea, migraine headaches, visual and auditory hallucinations, mydriasis, rapid onset cycloplegia, and death.

The hallucinogenic effects of Brugmansia were described in the journal Pathology as “terrifying rather than pleasurable”. The author Christina Pratt, in An Encyclopedia of Shamanism, says that “Brugmansia induces a powerful trance with violent and unpleasant effects, sickening aftereffects, and at times temporary insanity”. These hallucinations are often characterized by complete loss of awareness that one is hallucinating, disconnection from reality, and amnesia of the episode, such as one example reported in Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience of a young man who amputated his own penis and tongue after drinking only 1 cup of Brugmansia tea. The Swiss naturalist and explorer Johann von Tschudi described the effects of Brugmansia ingestion on one individual in Peru:

Soon after drinking the Tonga, the man fell into a dull brooding, he stared vacantly at the ground, his mouth was closed firmly, almost convulsively and his nostrils were flared. Cold sweat covered his forehead. He was deathly pale. The jugular veins on his throat were swollen as large as a finger and he was wheezing as his chest rose and sank slowly. His arms hung down stiffly by his body. Then his eyes misted over and filled with huge tears and his lips twitched convulsively for a brief moment. His carotids were visibly beating, his respiration increased and his extremities twitched and shuddered of their own accord. This condition would have lasted about a quarter of an hour, then all these actions increased in intensity. His eyes were now dry but had become bright red and rolled about wildly in their sockets and all his facial muscles were horribly distorted. A thick white foam leaked out between his half open lips. The pulses on his forehead and throat were beating too fast to be counted. His breathing was short, extraordinarily fast and did not seem to lift the chest, which was visibly fibrillating. A mass of sticky sweat covered his whole body which continued to be shaken by the most dreadful convulsions. His limbs were hideously contorted. He alternated between murmuring quietly and incomprehensibly and uttering loud, heart-rending shrieks, howling dully and moaning and groaning.<<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brugmansia

Seriously, though, wtf is up with this Subject line?

dv said:

Seriously, though, wtf is up with this Subject line?

I suppose it depends on whether you interpret the words and nouns or verbs.

What is this Wikipedia thing and where do you find it?

morrie said:

What is this Wikipedia thing and where do you find it?

I think it’s on the internet.

morrie said:

What is this Wikipedia thing and where do you find it?
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Pleased you like it.