Date: 10/02/2014 20:22:33
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 486139
Subject: Tough rubber?

What’s the toughest bulk material? Is it a metal or a rubber? Is there a difference between the toughest bulk material per unit volume and the toughest bulk material per unit mass?

I’m looking for a wire or ribbon of material to absorb energy in tension by either elastic (preferred) or plastic deformation.

Rubbers are supposed to range in toughness from 1 to 100 kJ/m^2, but which rubber is toughest and where do I get some?

PS, one of the toughest plastics is polyethylene, so tough that it’s used in plastic shopping bags.

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Date: 10/02/2014 20:27:17
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 486151
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

> Rubbers are supposed to range in toughness from 1 to 100 kJ/m^2, but which rubber is toughest and where do I get some?

Oops. That should be 1 to 200 kJ/m^2.
The toughness of Kevlar is about 80 J/g.

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Date: 10/02/2014 20:59:16
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 486181
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

How can you measure the same thing in J/m^2 and J/g?

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Date: 10/02/2014 21:01:18
From: OCDC
ID: 486183
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

The Rev Dodgson said:


How can you measure the same thing in J/m^2 and J/g?

Nobody knows, m’lord, nobody knows.

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Date: 10/02/2014 21:11:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 486186
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

OCDC said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

How can you measure the same thing in J/m^2 and J/g?

Nobody knows, m’lord, nobody knows.

possibly not.

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Date: 10/02/2014 21:55:14
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 486192
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

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Date: 10/02/2014 22:06:10
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 486202
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

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Date: 11/02/2014 07:21:47
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 486414
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

mollwollfumble said:

I’m looking for a wire or ribbon of material to absorb energy in tension by either elastic (preferred) or plastic deformation.

In tension, I don’t know of anything that beats Kevlar.

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Date: 11/02/2014 07:56:18
From: Rule 303
ID: 486416
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

Need to know how much force, desired rebound/recovery time, and cycle frequency. There’s several options.

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Date: 11/02/2014 21:11:19
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 486820
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

Rule 303 said:


Need to know how much force, desired rebound/recovery time, and cycle frequency. There’s several options.

OK. If 2 metres of Kevlar then force (including factor of safety) = 5 kg = 50 N. Force decreases in proportion to maximum elongation. Say Kevlar has a maximum elongation of 3.6%. Then 2 metres some rubber with a maximum elongation of 36% would only need to carry 50*3.6/36 = 5 N.

Rebound/recovery time, not important but longer is better.

Cycle frequency – only 1 cycle.

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Date: 11/02/2014 21:22:55
From: wookiemeister
ID: 486834
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

mollwollfumble said:


Rule 303 said:

Need to know how much force, desired rebound/recovery time, and cycle frequency. There’s several options.

OK. If 2 metres of Kevlar then force (including factor of safety) = 5 kg = 50 N. Force decreases in proportion to maximum elongation. Say Kevlar has a maximum elongation of 3.6%. Then 2 metres some rubber with a maximum elongation of 36% would only need to carry 50*3.6/36 = 5 N.

Rebound/recovery time, not important but longer is better.

Cycle frequency – only 1 cycle.


you might have to rig something up with a heavy weight attached to the strap you want to use

it might be trial and error

you could always film the strap being stretched to see how much it stretches in use

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Date: 11/02/2014 21:31:45
From: Glance Fleeting
ID: 486838
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

If you are alergic to layex try polyisoprene.

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Date: 11/02/2014 22:19:31
From: Rule 303
ID: 486881
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

There’s already products available off-the-shelf that might suit your need. Something like this:

is designed to absorb force in several ways, only one of which has a rebound cycle (and that’s days in duration).

There’s plenty of other options – Ask if you want more.

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Date: 13/02/2014 08:59:28
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 487546
Subject: re: Tough rubber?

Thanks Rule 303. I hadn’t though of rigging supplies.

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