Date: 19/02/2014 18:16:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 491617
Subject: Fish Forest, Apparently.

Terrific story………….if it were true.
I’m calling them on it, I’m calling it handwaving rubbish.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140218-salmon-fertilising-the-forests

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Date: 19/02/2014 18:20:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 491620
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

“Eighty percent of the nitrogen in the forest’s trees comes from the salmon”.

This should be able to be determined fairly accurately AFAICT.

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Date: 19/02/2014 18:56:22
From: Boris
ID: 491645
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

i think Attenborough had a segment in one of his shows about this.

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Date: 19/02/2014 19:06:04
From: captain_spalding
ID: 491650
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

I read years ago about the Americans’ ‘Pilgrim fathers’ and how the American natives showed then how to grow corn.

The ‘civilised’ and piously Christian Pilgrims scoffed at the natives’ heathen practice of giving the ‘sacrifice’ of a small fish at the base of each cornstalk, and refused to have any part of such things.

Only after their corn failed spectacularly did they think that there might be something to it.

Of course, the fish provided the trace elements which the cornstalks needed in excess of what the soil could supply.

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Date: 19/02/2014 19:12:24
From: ms spock
ID: 491653
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

Boris said:


i think Attenborough had a segment in one of his shows about this.

I saw it but it was a long time ago.

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Date: 19/02/2014 19:13:46
From: Boris
ID: 491654
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

i have the memory of 10 000 goldfish, spock.

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Date: 19/02/2014 19:14:51
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 491656
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

There have been heaps of docos on bears and the salmon run but this is the first one that claims that the bears take the fish way into the forest and fertilise all the trees.

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Date: 19/02/2014 19:20:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 491662
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

And it seems to be more of a clever corporate promotion rather than a serious documentary.

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Date: 19/02/2014 19:31:11
From: Boris
ID: 491682
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

Link

sciencey paper.

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Date: 19/02/2014 19:37:09
From: PermeateFree
ID: 491689
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

Peak Warming Man said:


There have been heaps of docos on bears and the salmon run but this is the first one that claims that the bears take the fish way into the forest and fertilise all the trees.

The are hundreds of tons of salmon that swim up rivers and streams, where they die after spawning unless eaten beforehand. They are preyed upon by many predators, and these animals will defecate far and wide, besides that huge numbers of fish will die in the rivers and tributaries and probably washed up on the banks to rot away. The nutrition I would think would mostly flow downstream and probably fertilise riparian vegetation downstream, but I cannot see how it, or the dropping of animals could fertilise trees far from the waterways. I don’t believe animals would take the fish any distance from the river before eating it.

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Date: 19/02/2014 19:40:12
From: ms spock
ID: 491694
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

Boris said:


i have the memory of 10 000 goldfish, spock.

So was that nature or nurture?

Do you do diabolical tests on goldfish?

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Date: 19/02/2014 22:58:54
From: Mr Ironic
ID: 491859
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

Reminds me of the Capelin run in St Johns Newfoundland.

They were too many for the predator fish and the local humans…

So after the run the farmers came and took (bring out your dead) to fertilise their potatoes…

Don’t say nothing about fish’n‘chips.

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Date: 19/02/2014 23:01:46
From: PermeateFree
ID: 491861
Subject: re: Fish Forest, Apparently.

Mr Ironic said:

Reminds me of the Capelin run in St Johns Newfoundland.

They were too many for the predator fish and the local humans…

So after the run the farmers came and took (bring out your dead) to fertilise their potatoes…

Don’t say nothing about fish’n‘chips.

It rots down very quickly and like liquid fish manure you can buy today, it works very well.

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