What kicked it off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language#Gestural_theory

transition said:

What kicked it off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language#Gestural_theory

Annoying Tennis Players?

CrazyNeutrino said:

transition said:

What kicked it off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language#Gestural_theory

Annoying Tennis Players?

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Got it in one, the whole point of the grunting and squealing (done mainly by the females) is to distract their opponent, should cost the grunter, squealer, the point.

bob(from black rock) said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

transition said:

What kicked it off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language#Gestural_theory

Annoying Tennis Players?

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Got it in one, the whole point of the grunting and squealing (done mainly by the females) is to distract their opponent, should cost the grunter, squealer, the point.

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Grunting and squealing should only happen between the sheets.

> What kicked it off.

Modern gorillas have a language of grunts that is at least as comprehensive as that of humans, according to Dian Fossey’s book.

I love the Tim Allen “Home Improvement” episode in which extremely complex utterances were compressed into short grunts. I wish I had a copy of that.

Got it. Near the end of Every Grunt
Time 13:35 on. Conversation expressed in grunts contains such utterances as:

“What are you doing here?”
“Here you go”
“What about my knife?”
“I said your wife”
“Oh. I’m sorry it came to this. You’re a hell of a granite guy. Maybe the best there ever was”
“The joke’s on him. I kept his best chisel”

Armstrong & Miller’s cavemen do it well:

Origins of Job Interviews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56eAUCTLok

Origins of Art Criticism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUTGC5N7hCI

Origins of Teenagers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytgDuV0qOBI

Bubblecar said:

Armstrong & Miller’s cavemen do it well:

Origins of Job Interviews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56eAUCTLok

Origins of Art Criticism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUTGC5N7hCI

Origins of Teenagers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytgDuV0qOBI

LOL

There’s definitely a language ‘toolkit’, I mean you can sort of feel it operating, partly in the surprise of the combinatorial word formulations that pop out, so there’s processing going on. The thinking is happening before (there of course are exceptions), we don’t sort of eat a dictionary, consult norms, look for direction from elsewhere re every detail of what ought be spoken into thoughts (again a matter of degree and there may be exceptions).

Quite an intimate business really are words that pass between the lips I suppose, I mean it’s air we breathe, from lungs, feeding our heart and entire body, and the global efforts of oxygen to the body and carbon dioxide exhalation etc are involved. The mouth etc are a multifunction bidirectional orifice and more, we eat with it, chew, smile, and talk, and courtesy tongue placement and control of air through vocal cords chuck the alphabet around and more.

It’s hard to believe writing and speaking are anything near the same thing, and to this moment I don’t. Is there a name for the presumed conformity of written and spoken language? Can the excesses of the belief in similarity be used for behaviour controls, and are they?

Fertile territory this anticipating that a grunt from an organism is communication of something of the workings of the organism, I mean just the fact that it requires breathing which is necessary to stay alive is a good handle on it.

transition said:

It’s hard to believe writing and speaking are anything near the same thing, and to this moment I don’t. Is there a name for the presumed conformity of written and spoken language? Can the excesses of the belief in similarity be used for behaviour controls, and are they?

I don’t know anyone really believes that, any accurate transcript of ordinary conversation reveals people don’t speak in prose. The brain seems to do fine keeping how to speak and how to write as separate dialects. Even speech gets compartmentalised, we all grow up listening to American and British speech patterns on TV and largely understand them ‘fluently’ but separate that from how we speak to each other, and would have difficulty fluently speaking in American English ourselves. Class differences too, poor and posh can understand one another but not pass as one another.

>I don’t know anyone really believes that, any accurate transcript of ordinary conversation reveals people don’t speak in prose. The brain seems to do fine keeping how to speak and how to write as separate dialects. Even speech gets compartmentalised, we all grow up listening to American and British speech patterns on TV and largely understand them ‘fluently’ but separate that from how we speak to each other, and would have difficulty fluently speaking in American English ourselves. Class differences too, poor and posh can understand one another but not pass as one another”

Was thinking some of the mental toolkit for speech is shared with or same as involved in writing, Similarly the mediation (much of) by social faculties also would be shared.