I have a pinched nerve, and I’m on medication that is managing it.

Why cant we see pain on a monitor, there are parts of my body that are in pain and parts that are not in pain, the pain is confined to the upper right shoulder and upper right arm, so this should be a measurable difference, the body has heat in it, the body has a nervous system, if the nerves indicate pain then there should be some kind of more activity there.

If the nerves run on electricity and chemicals then an electro-chemical approach should be taken to research pain, I would like to see this pinched nerve on a monitor as well as the area in pain.

I know pain can be different in other people, just as sensory perception can be different in people, people can sense pain differently to others.

any thoughts?

CrazyNeutrino said:

I have a pinched nerve, and I’m on medication that is managing it.

Why cant we see pain on a monitor, there are parts of my body that are in pain and parts that are not in pain, the pain is confined to the upper right shoulder and upper right arm, so this should be a measurable difference, the body has heat in it, the body has a nervous system, if the nerves indicate pain then there should be some kind of more activity there.

If the nerves run on electricity and chemicals then an electro-chemical approach should be taken to research pain, I would like to see this pinched nerve on a monitor as well as the area in pain.

I know pain can be different in other people, just as sensory perception can be different in people, people can sense pain differently to others.

any thoughts?

>shit now you have given me a headache!

fMRI

PET scans and saxitoxin allow researchers to ‘see’ pain

Previous studies have shown a link between pain and a particular protein – called a sodium channel – that helps nerve cells transmit pain and other sensations to the brain.

Certain types of the voltage-gated sodium channels are produced in large quantities at the site of the injury, and the Stanford scientists decided to develop an imaging method that could visualize large concentrations of the protein.

By attaching a signal to a small molecule called saxitoxin – a naturally occurring molecule produced by certain types of microscopic marine creatures – scientists were able to track its progress through the body using PET imaging.

Testing their hypothesis on rats, the researchers discovered that the saxitoxin molecules pooled at the sites where rats had nerve damage.

The researchers claim this is one of the first attempts to mark these sodium channels in living animals.

report: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/270258.php

Stand in front of a mirror, place a finger on a firm flat surface in front of mirror, hit finger hard with a hammer, observe face in mirror, record with a TV camera, done.

Have you finished stringing the harpsichord Mr Car and if not why not?

If you know anyone with a FLIR camera handy then you can image the damage. Racing stables use them to check for injuries on the horses.

Bubblecar said:

PET scans and saxitoxin allow researchers to ‘see’ pain

Previous studies have shown a link between pain and a particular protein – called a sodium channel – that helps nerve cells transmit pain and other sensations to the brain.

Certain types of the voltage-gated sodium channels are produced in large quantities at the site of the injury, and the Stanford scientists decided to develop an imaging method that could visualize large concentrations of the protein.

By attaching a signal to a small molecule called saxitoxin – a naturally occurring molecule produced by certain types of microscopic marine creatures – scientists were able to track its progress through the body using PET imaging.

Testing their hypothesis on rats, the researchers discovered that the saxitoxin molecules pooled at the sites where rats had nerve damage.

The researchers claim this is one of the first attempts to mark these sodium channels in living animals.

report: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/270258.php

Thanks for that info Bubblecar

there is hope :)

how do you unpinch a nerve?

CrazyNeutrino said:

I have a pinched nerve, and I’m on medication that is managing it.

Why cant we see pain on a monitor, there are parts of my body that are in pain and parts that are not in pain, the pain is confined to the upper right shoulder and upper right arm, so this should be a measurable difference, the body has heat in it, the body has a nervous system, if the nerves indicate pain then there should be some kind of more activity there.

If the nerves run on electricity and chemicals then an electro-chemical approach should be taken to research pain, I would like to see this pinched nerve on a monitor as well as the area in pain.

I know pain can be different in other people, just as sensory perception can be different in people, people can sense pain differently to others.

any thoughts?

Where does phantom limb pain show up?

Soso said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I have a pinched nerve, and I’m on medication that is managing it.

Why cant we see pain on a monitor, there are parts of my body that are in pain and parts that are not in pain, the pain is confined to the upper right shoulder and upper right arm, so this should be a measurable difference, the body has heat in it, the body has a nervous system, if the nerves indicate pain then there should be some kind of more activity there.

If the nerves run on electricity and chemicals then an electro-chemical approach should be taken to research pain, I would like to see this pinched nerve on a monitor as well as the area in pain.

I know pain can be different in other people, just as sensory perception can be different in people, people can sense pain differently to others.

any thoughts?

Where does phantom limb pain show up?

in the toes.

roughbarked said:

Soso said:

Where does phantom limb pain show up?

in the toes.

Well I may need to qualify the quality of the post according to la rulez de curve..

My father had his leg cut off up high near the hip. He was always asking me to scratch his toes.

Not exactly imaging locations of pain but I think a rise in temperature and heart rate/blood pressure is a sign that there might be pain happening. This can be tracked by those signs increasing as painkillers wear off.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Soso said:

Where does phantom limb pain show up?

in the toes.

Well I may need to qualify the quality of the post according to la rulez de curve..

My father had his leg cut off up high near the hip. He was always asking me to scratch his toes.

Well there’s some interesting stories about phantom limb pains, people who feel their missing hand is in a permanent painfully tight clenched fist etc. and how the pain was relieved using dummy hands and mirrors to ‘trick’ the brain.

Skunkworks said:

Not exactly imaging locations of pain but I think a rise in temperature and heart rate/blood pressure is a sign that there might be pain happening. This can be tracked by those signs increasing as painkillers wear off.

You are limbless?

Phantom pains are undetectable are they not? I wasn’t privy to instruments to test my father’s assertions but he would ask me often to help soothe pain that couldn’t possibly exist.

He did explain to me that it was about nerve endings interrupted and tied off but he still asked for ice or hot water or anything.. applied to thin air, to relieve his pain.

roughbarked said:

Skunkworks said:

Not exactly imaging locations of pain but I think a rise in temperature and heart rate/blood pressure is a sign that there might be pain happening. This can be tracked by those signs increasing as painkillers wear off.

You are limbless?

Nearly. But it was a general comment on the OP, nothing to do with phantom limbs. Settle petal.

Skunkworks said:

roughbarked said:

Skunkworks said:

Not exactly imaging locations of pain but I think a rise in temperature and heart rate/blood pressure is a sign that there might be pain happening. This can be tracked by those signs increasing as painkillers wear off.

You are limbless?

Nearly. But it was a general comment on the OP, nothing to do with phantom limbs. Settle petal.

OK.. thanks for explaining.

>Why cant we see pain on a monitor.

That’s fairly much what you’re getting.

This post should be rated x. You should know y.

> any thoughts?

I think you could see “stress” on a monitor. So if pain causes stress then you could monitor it that way. I’ve noticed that when stressed I have a different breathing pattern. That opens the way to two possible ways to monitor stress. One way would be to monitor the inflation and deflation of the rib cage using a belt around the ribs. The belt would have an elastic section and expansion and contraction of the length of that elastic section would be monitored. You’d be looking for periods of time when the breathing stops (or is excessively rapid).

A second way would be to monitor the natural sounds of breathing as breath goes through the throat – ignore any sounds of of speaking, what would be monitored is the periods of time when the sound of breathing stops.