What do you know about transsexual / transgender people?

mollwollfumble said:

What do you know about transsexual / transgender people?

Only what I see on my TV. I’m afraid that nobody has ever talked face to face with me about the issue. ie: I am otherwise unaware.

mollwollfumble said:

What do you know about transsexual / transgender people?

What do you need to know about transsexual / transgender people?

stumpy_seahorse said:

mollwollfumble said:

What do you know about transsexual / transgender people?

What do you need to know about transsexual / transgender people?

whether they refer to themselves as he, she or it?

In my experience they refer themselves to the sex that they are dressed in.

Spider Lily said:

In my experience they refer themselves to the sex that they are dressed in.

+1

Spider Lily said:

In my experience they refer themselves to the sex that they are dressed in.

That is as how I’d imagine it to be.

clinically known as ‘gender dysphoria’ or ‘Gender identity disorder (GID’

from

wiki

Transgender

Transgender is the state of one’s gender identity (self-identification as woman, man, neither or both) or gender expression not matching one’s assigned sex (identification by others as male, female or intersex based on physical/genetic sex). Transgender is independent of sexual orientation; transgender people may identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, pansexual, polysexual, or asexual; some may consider conventional sexual orientation labels inadequate or inapplicable to them. The precise definition for transgender is changing but nevertheless includes:

“Of, relating to, or designating a person whose identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender roles, but combines or moves between these.” “People who were assigned a sex, usually at birth and based on their genitals, but who feel that this is a false or incomplete description of themselves.” “Non-identification with, or non-presentation as, the sex (and assumed gender) one was assigned at birth.”

A transgender individual may have characteristics that are normally associated with a particular gender, identify elsewhere on the traditional gender continuum, or exist outside of it as other, agender, genderqueer, or third gender. Transgender people may also identify as bigender or along several places on either the traditional transgender continuum or the more encompassing continuums that have been developed in response to recent, significantly more detailed studies. Furthermore, many transgender people experience a period of identity development that includes better understanding one’s self-image, self-reflection, and self-expression. More specifically, the degree to which individuals feel genuine, authentic, and comfortable within their external appearance and accept their genuine identity is referred to as transgender congruence.

The sex-change sweethearts: How a pageant princess and colonel’s son fell in love after BOTH had transgender treatment

Katie Hill and her boyfriend Arin Andrews were both born the opposite sex
Katie, 18, and Arin, 16, met at a support group in Tulsa, Oklahoma
Both have undergone hormone therapy and Katie had gender reassignment surgery shortly after her 18th birthday

Katie (19) and Arin (17) Teen Transgender Couple

apparently they have broken up now

you tube search transgender

What’s the difference between being transgender or transsexual and having an intersex condition?

http://www.isna.org/faq/transgender

What’s the difference between being transgender or transsexual and having an intersex condition?

an interesting article here

We’ve got baileys

We’ve got everything

• We’ve got baileys

Old Gregg?

furious said:

• We’ve got baileys

Old Gregg?

He’s got a mangina

I used to work with a transgender lady (male to female transition)

She’s one of the most down-to-earth, no-nonsense people i’ve met, a joy to work with, easy to talk to,and i’d be pleased to call her my friend

I must get in touch with her.

Call me kate

I’ve heard that once the final stages of gender reassignment are complete, unless you are told, you’d never know the difference…

I wonder about contraction and muscle definition, but apparently it’s all ‘in working order’ (both male and female) but surely male appendages would need some pharmaceutical assistance.. ?

these are the times when I miss JF..

Arts said:

I’ve heard that once the final stages of gender reassignment are complete, unless you are told, you’d never know the difference…

Would argue. ‘Difference’ was there to be seen, but easy to get past.

Arts said:

I’ve heard that once the final stages of gender reassignment are complete, unless you are told, you’d never know the difference…

I wonder about contraction and muscle definition, but apparently it’s all ‘in working order’ (both male and female) but surely male appendages would need some pharmaceutical assistance.. ?

these are the times when I miss JF..

one of my friends you wouldn’t know unless you knew her as him

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

I’ve heard that once the final stages of gender reassignment are complete, unless you are told, you’d never know the difference…

Would argue. ‘Difference’ was there to be seen, but easy to get past.

in what way?

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

I’ve heard that once the final stages of gender reassignment are complete, unless you are told, you’d never know the difference…

Would argue. ‘Difference’ was there to be seen, but easy to get past.

in what way?

Body/skeletal/facial structure, and (cliched as it may be) large hands. But, once you (i?) ‘accepted’ the person as feminine, it didn’t occur to you/me to see them as anything else.

I think there was some programme a while back with some group of people changing sex, it went over quite a few episodes

> What do you need to know about transsexual / transgender people?

Have met someone who I suspect is transgender, but I don’t know for sure. I was wondering about everything related, such as:

How many transsexual people are there in Australia?
How difficult it is to be transgender in today’s society, eg. prejudice, how difficult to get a passport, a straight job?
What’s it like, psychologically, eg. are transgender people prone to depression?
Are there any reliable guides to whether someone is transsexual or not?

One pdf gives an incidence of transgender people in the USA as about 1 in 300, which is remarkably high – it would mean that there’s a large chance of seeing a transgender person each time you visit the shopping centre. But the same pdf says the incidence could be anywhere between 1 in 200 and 1 in 1000.

captain_spalding said:

Body/skeletal/facial structure, and (cliched as it may be) large hands. But, once you (i?) ‘accepted’ the person as feminine, it didn’t occur to you/me to see them as anything else.

Pelvis shape is the primary decider for whether a skeleton is male or female, and that made me think that hip width would be a more reliable guide than height or facial structure. Medically, hip width is “Bitrochanteric diameter” and shoulder width is “Biacromial diameter”. So I’ve been wondering about the ratio of hip width to shoulder width, and came up with the following graph:

A caucasian woman with a ratio of below 0.75 may be trangender and a caucasian man with a ratio above 0.9 is likely to be transgender.

I have two m-f transgender friends. They’re both bullied by members of the general public in everyday situations, like waiting for a bus. One has anxiety/depression issues exacerbated by this bullying and the other shrugs it off.

Transgender and sexuality are very interesting topics. Non-trans people are called cisgender… It’s a much better word than “normal” :-)

Divine Angel said:

I have two m-f transgender friends. They’re both bullied by members of the general public in everyday situations, like waiting for a bus. One has anxiety/depression issues exacerbated by this bullying and the other shrugs it off.

Transgender and sexuality are very interesting topics. Non-trans people are called cisgender… It’s a much better word than “normal” :-)

If Sexual Bullies were educated properly in the plethora of sexuality they would leave transgenders and gays alone

CrazyNeutrino said:

Divine Angel said:

I have two m-f transgender friends. They’re both bullied by members of the general public in everyday situations, like waiting for a bus. One has anxiety/depression issues exacerbated by this bullying and the other shrugs it off.

Transgender and sexuality are very interesting topics. Non-trans people are called cisgender… It’s a much better word than “normal” :-)

If Sexual Bullies were educated properly in the plethora of sexuality they would leave transgenders and gays alone

I would bet that the sexual bullies have issues of their own , that’s why they do what they do, joe average just leaves them alone because its out of the sphere of their interest or knowledge.

I have an M-F transgender aquaintance who is a doctor. Started medical school as a man, and graduated as a woman. She is taller than most men, so doesn’t blend into a crowd, but other than that, no probs. Unlike DA’s friends, she hasn’t had bullying problems, has no problems at work (I knew her beforehand, but we worked in the same hospital for a year), and AFAIK her patients all accept her as a her.

My brain rebels against that sort of shit…

Dropbear said:

My brain rebels against that sort of shit…

pfft! and others work so hard to accept you as you are…….

You’re still jealous because Woodie has better legs than you.

SleeveHeart said:

Dropbear said:

My brain rebels against that sort of shit…

pfft! and others work so hard to accept you as you are…….

Live I give a flying…

OCDC said:

You’re still jealous because Woodie has better legs than you.

potatohead probably has better ears than him also……

Dropbear said:

SleeveHeart said:

Dropbear said:

My brain rebels against that sort of shit…

pfft! and others work so hard to accept you as you are…….

Live I give a flying…

sure ya name isn’t Oscar The….???

SleeveHeart said:

Dropbear said:

SleeveHeart said:

pfft! and others work so hard to accept you as you are…….

Live I give a flying…

sure ya name isn’t Oscar The….???

I have no idea who you are, so keep your BS to yourself

Dropbear said:

SleeveHeart said:

Dropbear said:

Live I give a flying…

sure ya name isn’t Oscar The….???

I have no idea who you are, so keep your BS to yourself

I’ve indicated who I am at least twice. Not my problem your attention only focuses on Grouch issues…….

……. have you had surgery or something?? you seem more abusive than I remember………

SleeveHeart said:

Dropbear said:

SleeveHeart said:

sure ya name isn’t Oscar The….???

I have no idea who you are, so keep your BS to yourself

I’ve indicated who I am at least twice. Not my problem your attention only focuses on Grouch issues…….

……. have you had surgery or something?? you seem more abusive than I remember………

That’s nice, go fuck yourself..

• have you had surgery or something?? you seem more abusive than I remember………

Don’t worry, she’s just having a “tangy”…

furious said:

• have you had surgery or something?? you seem more abusive than I remember………

Don’t worry, she’s just having a “tangy”…

meh… water off a ducks back. I do look for imagination in insults however and “go fuck yourself” is kinda 90s….

:P

Acceptance

Tolerance

Freedom of Choice

Arts said:

I’ve heard that once the final stages of gender reassignment are complete, unless you are told, you’d never know the difference…

I wonder about contraction and muscle definition, but apparently it’s all ‘in working order’ (both male and female) but surely male appendages would need some pharmaceutical assistance.. ?

these are the times when I miss JF..

I recommend the novel Trans-Sister Radio by Chris Bohjalian. Gives a bit of science but it’s mainly about relationships and how people connect/re-connect after The Surgery.

mollwollfumble said:

How many transsexual people are there in Australia?
How difficult it is to be transgender in today’s society, eg. prejudice, how difficult to get a passport, a straight job?
What’s it like, psychologically, eg. are transgender people prone to depression?
Are there any reliable guides to whether someone is transsexual or not?

I don’t know how many transgender people are in Australia. I know two: one from work and one from a writer’s group. In a relatively small city like Brisbane, does knowing two trans people make it a high proportion?

I only know what my trans friends tell me: it’s very difficult. I wondered which box they tick on every form that asks sex. One of my friends has had the surgery, I don’t know about the other but she claims she can ride a man “like a pony” so use your imagination on that one! Friend with definite surgery has legally changed her name, the other friend retains her birth name but a feminised version of it. Her passport is still in her masculine birth name. So, it depends on the form. For wishy washy non-government forms, she will tick the Female box but for legal documents she will tick the Male box. Simples! Prejudice is high among the transgender society :(

I don’t know if depression and anxiety rates are higher in trans people than the general public. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, both friends are hassled in every day situations. One shrugs it off, the other does have depression and anxiety issues but she’s made some fantastic progress in the past 12 months: she’s now studying for a degree in psychology on-campus (once upon a time she couldn’t leave the house due to anxiety) and she became a stand up comedian late last year. It takes a LOT of guts to put yourself out there, never mind being part of a minority group!

Both my trans friends have definite masculine bone structure in their faces. Have a look on Instagram using the hashtag #transgender (or variants thereof, such as #mtf #shemale #ladyboy etc… those are some of the hashtags my non-anxious friend uses) to see a wide variety of m-f transitions. Some, you’d never guess and others are more obvious IMO. As Arts said, with a good surgery, even an experienced gyno can’t tell.

the plethora of human sexuality is very interesting

male heterosexual
female heterosexual

male bisexual
female bisexual

male homosexual
female homosexual

male transsexual
female transsexual

male asexual
female asexual

male pansexual
female pansexual

male polysexual
female polysexual

male monosexual
female monosexual

other sexual types?

“I don’t know if depression and anxiety rates are higher in trans people than the general public.”

I thought it was a wiki article that I was reading, but it wasn’t.. still I’ll put the info here anyway..

Transsexuals suffer many hurdles to achieve their required correction of the error of their birth. They must face society, the medical establishment, the common loss of all family and friends, the cost of treatment, the extreme difficulty of the required ‘half-way’ phase of transition which may last up to two years, and the inner turmoil of self-doubt and conditioned self loathing of their condition. It has been estimated (in 1981) that about 50% do not survive the malady, ending up dead by the age of 30, usually by their own hand. Almost all of this morbidity is attributed to the additional burden caused by the violent unacceptance of society, the rejection of family and friends, and the inability to find decent care.

Arts said:

“I don’t know if depression and anxiety rates are higher in trans people than the general public.”

I thought it was a wiki article that I was reading, but it wasn’t.. still I’ll put the info here anyway..

Transsexuals suffer many hurdles to achieve their required correction of the error of their birth. They must face society, the medical establishment, the common loss of all family and friends, the cost of treatment, the extreme difficulty of the required ‘half-way’ phase of transition which may last up to two years, and the inner turmoil of self-doubt and conditioned self loathing of their condition. It has been estimated (in 1981) that about 50% do not survive the malady, ending up dead by the age of 30, usually by their own hand. Almost all of this morbidity is attributed to the additional burden caused by the violent unacceptance of society, the rejection of family and friends, and the inability to find decent care.

Seems like a difficult decision to be sure about making.

CrazyNeutrino said:

the plethora of human sexuality is very interesting

When did you choose to be straight?

Divine Angel said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

the plethora of human sexuality is very interesting

When did you choose to be straight?

the comments on that post are frustrating..

i met a TG on FB and tried to give him support. He was 19 and highly traumatised and spent a lot of time making threats about harming himself. Seeing as he was a US resident and there was little I could do for him I cut ties there. He seemed to have a rough road ahead of him with his family details etc…

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

the plethora of human sexuality is very interesting

When did you choose to be straight?

the comments on that post are frustrating..

I’ve given up reading YouTube comments with the assumption that the intelligentsia don’t leave comments :)
Plus I’ve given up Christian bullshit for Lent.

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

When did you choose to be straight?

the comments on that post are frustrating..

I’ve given up reading YouTube comments with the assumption that the intelligentsia don’t leave comments :)
Plus I’ve given up Christian bullshit for Lent.

ha! nice

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

When did you choose to be straight?

the comments on that post are frustrating..

I’ve given up reading YouTube comments with the assumption that the intelligentsia don’t leave comments :)
Plus I’ve given up Christian bullshit for Lent.

is it Lent? Can’t remember when it starts and ends.. oh hang on, something about ash wednesday?

Expert panel wants transgender declared third gender

Asks government to prepare a law to prevent discrimination and atrocities against them

An expert committee has recommended that ‘transgender’ be declared the third gender, with the individual having the right to choose gender, and has asked the government to prepare a law to prevent discrimination and atrocities against these people.

Importantly, it has asked the National Crime Records Bureau to collect and compile statistics of crimes against transgender persons and cases registered against them.

The committee, set up by the Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment last year and chaired by the Additional Secretary of the Ministry, has said action must be taken against parents who neglect or abuse their gender non-conforming children and doctors who practise electro-shock or other kinds of unethical “conversion” therapy. Criminal and disciplinary action must be taken against delinquent police officers for violation of human rights of transgender persons.

more…

Germany already has a third gender option for documents, and I remember reading this but I don’t know if it has come into effect, I haven’t noticed any new boxes to tick.

they are many cases of police harassing transgenders

Are police profiling transgender Americans?

Italy’s first transgender MP arrested in Sochi for carrying ‘Gay is OK’ rainbow flag

Uproar after arrest of trans woman in D.C.

Profiled by NYPD, Transgendered People in New York Fear Carrying Condoms

Transgender woman arrested for being assaulted by a cop

Temmie Breslauer, Transgender Woman Arrested By New York Police Department, Alleges Mistreatment

Police accused of humiliating transgender woman during Soho Arrest

Tell Houston Police Department: Don’t Discriminate Against Transgender Residents

New Report Highlights Police Hostility Toward Transgender Women of Color

Transgender Woman Sues, Claiming Police Harassment

Transgender woman sues N.J. police department for harassment

New Fast Facts about Transgender People, Police, and Incarceration

Transgender Police Officer Files Harassment Complaint Against Middletown Department

heaps more articles
google transgender harassed by police

Transsexual transvision tramp