Date: 16/03/2014 11:27:55
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 504222
Subject: Popular cannibalism?

I’ve just run across a second account of cannibalism by pre-European aborigines. That leads me to suspect that cannibalism was popular in Australian aborigines, or at least among those of south-east Australia.

That made me wonder about the pre-history of cannibalism. Did we inherit cannibalism from our ape ancestors? Or did it spread around the world with the diasopa of Homo sapiens circa 60,000 to 40,000 years ago? Or did it develop independently in island nations such as polynesia and the west indes?

I suspect that cannibalism has never been a major source of protein for human or ape populations. The three situations in which cannibalism seem to appear are:
1) when starving
2) eating opponents after a battle
3) as punishment for criminals sentenced to death – or as personal reprisal

The third case has been recorded from Mesoamerica, China and Australia, and in each case I’ve heard of seems to be limited to eating the liver and/or heart. That suggests that possibly it was a practice that began before 60,000 years ago in Africa and spread around the world.

There are a large amount of butchered human bones found in Neanderthal and other Lower/Middle Palaeolithic sites. Lower Palaeolithic ends 300,000 years ago, before Homo sapiens first appeared. That suggests that we might have inherited cannibalism from our ape ancestors.

Jan Goodall found that cannibalism in chimpanzees is largely associated with infanticide, which seems different to human cannibalism?

On the other hand, it is certain that many European reports of cannibalism among native tribes have been grossly exaggerated. In 1979 the book “The Man-Eathing Myth” by William Arens concluded that accounts of cannibalism among the Aztec, Maori and Zulu were either false or inadequately documented.

There are myths involving cannibalism. A recent one is “Hansel and Gretel”. An old one is the ancient Greek story of Tantalus, who cooked and served his son as a feast for the Gods. The Gods refused to eat the son and restored him to life.

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Date: 16/03/2014 11:31:05
From: poikilotherm
ID: 504223
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

There is a long history of cannibalism being used in medicine .

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Date: 16/03/2014 11:37:36
From: captain_spalding
ID: 504225
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

mollwollfumble said:

…the ancient Greek story of Tantalus, who cooked and served his son as a feast for the Gods. The Gods refused to eat the son and restored him to life.

Yes, that was nice of them, wasn’t it?

I wonder if Yahweh would have done as much for Abraham and Isaac, if event had progressed further than they did?

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Date: 16/03/2014 11:42:41
From: wookiemeister
ID: 504226
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

captain_spalding said:


mollwollfumble said:

…the ancient Greek story of Tantalus, who cooked and served his son as a feast for the Gods. The Gods refused to eat the son and restored him to life.

Yes, that was nice of them, wasn’t it?

I wonder if Yahweh would have done as much for Abraham and Isaac, if event had progressed further than they did?


As far as I’ve read Yahweh never restored anyone back to life

He does encourage his followers to kill people though

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Date: 16/03/2014 11:42:42
From: wookiemeister
ID: 504227
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

captain_spalding said:


mollwollfumble said:

…the ancient Greek story of Tantalus, who cooked and served his son as a feast for the Gods. The Gods refused to eat the son and restored him to life.

Yes, that was nice of them, wasn’t it?

I wonder if Yahweh would have done as much for Abraham and Isaac, if event had progressed further than they did?


As far as I’ve read Yahweh never restored anyone back to life

He does encourage his followers to kill people though

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Date: 16/03/2014 11:43:44
From: wookiemeister
ID: 504228
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

I don’t subscribe to popular cannibalism magazine

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Date: 16/03/2014 11:46:06
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 504229
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

Forgive and forget

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Date: 16/03/2014 11:46:19
From: Arts
ID: 504230
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

Kuru

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Date: 16/03/2014 11:47:34
From: wookiemeister
ID: 504232
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

Arts said:


Kuru

Don’t mess with my kuru

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Date: 16/03/2014 12:51:03
From: wookiemeister
ID: 504235
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

How are you going with the project ?

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Date: 16/03/2014 13:04:13
From: captain_spalding
ID: 504240
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

wookiemeister said:


How are you going with the project ?

The project is sound.

Don’t question the project.

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Date: 16/03/2014 13:20:05
From: transition
ID: 504244
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

Given the popularity of killing those of the same species going back through history, doubtful that mentioned in the thread title is such a giant leap, I mean killing things and eating them sort of have a long historical relationship, and probably it is the case that the native (instinctive) cannibalism aversion (to the extent it exists) is generally reinforced by group, culture or social mechanisms if you will, so when they are less powerful and something else overrides it, then, well, draw your own conclusions.

If I were starving I’d eat human flesh, this I know, others I think do too but are reluctant to admit it. Similarly if I believed it would help those visited go to some higher place or send me to a higher place or make me stronger, these too would also incline me to eat human flesh.

And just to reassure, I am not starving, or looking to send someone or self to a higher place, so rest easy.

Now, who’s making me some lunch, I’m really hungry.

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Date: 16/03/2014 13:58:21
From: Neophyte
ID: 504249
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

Isn’t there a major religion based on cannibalism?

Something about eating someone’s body and drinking his blood features in the main rites

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Date: 16/03/2014 14:01:45
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 504251
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

Neophyte said:


Isn’t there a major religion based on cannibalism?

Something about eating someone’s body and drinking his blood features in the main rites

yeah, those wafers are made from the dandruff of clergymen.

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Date: 16/03/2014 14:08:05
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 504253
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

wookiemeister said:


How are you going with the project ?

It’s literally falling apart faster than its being built. 20th Mar is still set as first possible launch date, first date thereafter with calm wind and wet grass.

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Date: 16/03/2014 14:21:24
From: poikilotherm
ID: 504254
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

mollwollfumble said:


wookiemeister said:

How are you going with the project ?

It’s literally falling apart faster than its being built. 20th Mar is still set as first possible launch date, first date thereafter with calm wind and wet grass.

Whose grass are you launching into?

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Date: 16/03/2014 15:12:20
From: wookiemeister
ID: 504259
Subject: re: Popular cannibalism?

its why I’m still pursuing the basic model first

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