Federal Government Signs Off On Study Using Marijuana To Treat Veterans’ PTSD

The federal government has signed off on a long-delayed study looking at marijuana as a treatment for veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder, a development that drug researchers are hailing as a major shift in U.S. policy.

The Department of Health and Human Services’ decision surprised marijuana advocates who have struggled for decades to secure federal approval for research into the drug’s medical uses.

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About time some people in Government understood its medical properties

These factoids are from the earth-friendly “Mother Jones” magazine “24 Mind-Blowing Facts About Marijuana Production in America”, referencing several federal data sources.

A few of those points:

1.80 percent of all marijuana grown in the USA comes from California.

2. In 2013, California authorities seized 329 outdoor pot grow sites with: 1.2 million plants, 119,000lbs of trash, 17,000lbs of fertilizer, 40gal. of pesticides, 244 propane tanks, 61 car batteries, 89 illegal dams, and 81 miles of irrigation pipe.

3. During California’s growing season, outdoor grows consumed roughly 60 million gallons of water a day – 50% more than is used by all residents of San Francisco.

4. In California, indoor pot growing accounts for about 9% of household electricity use.

5.For every pound of pot grown indoors, 4600lbs of >> carbon dioxide goes into the atmosphere.<< California’s production equates to emissions of 3 million cars.

6. The energy needed to produce a single joint is enough to produce 18 pints of beer, and creates emissions comparable to burning a 100 watt light bulb for 25 hours.

surly this must turn you off marijuana crazy. I mean, think of your hippy grandchrildren

The_observer said:

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bob(from black rock) said:

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Must be tiny fridges then.

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bob(from black rock) said

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The_observer said:

These factoids are from the earth-friendly “Mother Jones” magazine “24 Mind-Blowing Facts About Marijuana Production in America”, referencing several federal data sources.

A few of those points:

1.80 percent of all marijuana grown in the USA comes from California.

2. In 2013, California authorities seized 329 outdoor pot grow sites with: 1.2 million plants, 119,000lbs of trash, 17,000lbs of fertilizer, 40gal. of pesticides, 244 propane tanks, 61 car batteries, 89 illegal dams, and 81 miles of irrigation pipe.

3. During California’s growing season, outdoor grows consumed roughly 60 million gallons of water a day – 50% more than is used by all residents of San Francisco.

4. In California, indoor pot growing accounts for about 9% of household electricity use.

5.For every pound of pot grown indoors, 4600lbs of >> carbon dioxide goes into the atmosphere.<< California’s production equates to emissions of 3 million cars.

6. The energy needed to produce a single joint is enough to produce 18 pints of beer, and creates emissions comparable to burning a 100 watt light bulb for 25 hours.

surly this must turn you off marijuana crazy. I mean, think of your hippy grandchrildren

Let me get this strait, 1.2 million plants use 60 million Gallons of water per day?

I call shenanigans.

Dope may be a thirsty plant, but it’s not that thirsty.

Teleost said:

The_observer said:

These factoids are from the earth-friendly “Mother Jones” magazine “24 Mind-Blowing Facts About Marijuana Production in America”, referencing several federal data sources.

A few of those points:

1.80 percent of all marijuana grown in the USA comes from California.

2. In 2013, California authorities seized 329 outdoor pot grow sites with: 1.2 million plants, 119,000lbs of trash, 17,000lbs of fertilizer, 40gal. of pesticides, 244 propane tanks, 61 car batteries, 89 illegal dams, and 81 miles of irrigation pipe.

3. During California’s growing season, outdoor grows consumed roughly 60 million gallons of water a day – 50% more than is used by all residents of San Francisco.

4. In California, indoor pot growing accounts for about 9% of household electricity use.

5.For every pound of pot grown indoors, 4600lbs of >> carbon dioxide goes into the atmosphere.<< California’s production equates to emissions of 3 million cars.

6. The energy needed to produce a single joint is enough to produce 18 pints of beer, and creates emissions comparable to burning a 100 watt light bulb for 25 hours.

surly this must turn you off marijuana crazy. I mean, think of your hippy grandchrildren

Let me get this strait, 1.2 million plants use 60 million Gallons of water per day?

I call shenanigans.

Dope may be a thirsty plant, but it’s not that thirsty.

No, you haven’t got it straight. 1.2 million plants were seized. That leaves a lot of plants roaming free.

Definitely go the free range pot.

Divine Angel said:

Definitely go the free range pot.

Nepal then.

Teleost said:

The_observer said:

These factoids are from the earth-friendly “Mother Jones” magazine “24 Mind-Blowing Facts About Marijuana Production in America”, referencing several federal data sources.

A few of those points:

1.80 percent of all marijuana grown in the USA comes from California.

2. In 2013, California authorities seized 329 outdoor pot grow sites with: 1.2 million plants, 119,000lbs of trash, 17,000lbs of fertilizer, 40gal. of pesticides, 244 propane tanks, 61 car batteries, 89 illegal dams, and 81 miles of irrigation pipe.

3. During California’s growing season, outdoor grows consumed roughly 60 million gallons of water a day – 50% more than is used by all residents of San Francisco.

4. In California, indoor pot growing accounts for about 9% of household electricity use.

5.For every pound of pot grown indoors, 4600lbs of >> carbon dioxide goes into the atmosphere.<< California’s production equates to emissions of 3 million cars.

6. The energy needed to produce a single joint is enough to produce 18 pints of beer, and creates emissions comparable to burning a 100 watt light bulb for 25 hours.

surly this must turn you off marijuana crazy. I mean, think of your hippy grandchrildren

Let me get this strait, 1.2 million plants use 60 million Gallons of water per day?

I call shenanigans.

Dope may be a thirsty plant, but it’s not that thirsty.

THey grow it the size of redwoods in California.

Divine Angel said:

Definitely go the free range pot.

Every time the helicopters come, I can go for a short drive to the bush and find where people have hidden their quick harvests.

Divine Angel said:

Definitely go the free range pot.

Wonder how carbon negative bush bud is?

Ian said:

Divine Angel said:

Definitely go the free range pot.

Wonder how carbon negative bush bud is?

Difficult to test without a government sanctioned experiment.

What about all those cigarette companies worldwide growing all those tobacco plants ?

must be way more than pot, huh?

CrazyNeutrino said:

What about all those cigarette companies worldwide growing all those tobacco plants ?

must be way more than pot, huh?

All that tobacco being driving to the processing factory

All that processing by ciggy companies must use up a lot of electricity

and all that transport moving all those ciggies around the place and then and to all the supermarkets

all the electronic cash registers and credit transfers

people driving to the supermarket and then back again

go and figure out all those figures Observer, you are a good observer aren’t you

listening to some medieval music

Splendor Solis Ensamble – ¡Ay andar, a tocar, a baylar!

very relaxing

>>>5.For every pound of pot grown indoors, 4600lbs of >> carbon dioxide goes into the atmosphere.<< California’s production equates to emissions of 3 million cars.

If pot was legal everywhere

it could be grown outside everywhere

and not use any electricity anywhere

CrazyNeutrino said:

>>>5.For every pound of pot grown indoors, 4600lbs of >> carbon dioxide goes into the atmosphere.<< California’s production equates to emissions of 3 million cars.

If pot was legal everywhere

it could be grown outside everywhere

and not use any electricity anywhere

Now there’s an inconvenient truth. :)

>>>What about all those cigarette companies worldwide growing all those tobacco plants ?

go and figure out all those figures Observer, you are a good observer aren’t you
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dear crazy boy, your thread was about marijuana, not tabacci

(must have hit a nerve)

In Australia, even the ABC news readers get themselves all mixed up when attempting to say tobacco when their brain is telling them it is cannabis.

35,000 tobacco plants even though images showed tobacco plants being pulled out they still called it cannabis twice in not many more sentences.

>>>listening to some medieval music

Splendor Solis Ensamble – ¡Ay andar, a tocar, a baylar!
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how’s that sound after a few cones crazy?

The_observer said:

>>>listening to some medieval music

Splendor Solis Ensamble – ¡Ay andar, a tocar, a baylar!
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how’s that sound after a few cones crazy?

probably the same as before?

anyway, as for what it costs.. Has anyone considered what it costs to have vine ripened tomatoes on the stupidmarket shelves every day of the year?

“In California, indoor pot growing accounts for about 9% of household electricity use.”

In Aus the method used is to hotwire your power to bypass the meter, I reckon the yanks would be onto this method also
Thus power use figures are merely speculation.

PS: The penalty for stealing power in Victoria is usually more severe than the penalty for growing the crop.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

>>>listening to some medieval music

Splendor Solis Ensamble – ¡Ay andar, a tocar, a baylar!
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how’s that sound after a few cones crazy?

probably the same as before?

Music sounds much better after a few cones actually

its slightly louder and is perhaps more emotionally intense

I have aspergers, I use it for a lot of reasons

one to regain a sense of hope, optimism
two to physically relax
three to mentally relax

Interesting when you trace the origin of The Observer’s material, you can find the primary reference document.

Marijuana Production in the United States (2006) by Jon Gettman
http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/bcr2_index.html

This is much more interesting to read.

Executive summary:

1) Marijuana is the largest cash crop in the United States, more valuable than corn and wheat combined. Using conservative price estimates domestic marijuana production has a value of $35.8 billion. The domestic marijuana crop consists of 56.4 million marijuana plants cultivated outdoors worth $31.7 billion and 11.7 million plants cultivated indoors worth $4.1 billion.

2) The top ten marijuana producing states are California, Tennessee, Kentucky, Hawaii, Washington, North Carolina, Florida, Alabama., West Virginia, and Oregon. Five states (California, Tennessee, Kentucky, Hawaii and Washington) had marijuana crops worth over $1 billion.)

3) Despite intensive eradication efforts domestic marijuana production has increased ten fold over the last 25 years from 1,000 metric tons (2.2 million pounds) in 1981 to 10,000 metric tons (22 million pounds) in 2006, according to federal government estimates.

4) Marijuana is the top cash crop in 12 states, one of the top 3 cash crops in 30 states, and one of the top 5 cash crops in 39 states. The domestic marijuana crop is larger than Cotton in Alabama, larger than Grapes, Vegetables and Hay combined in California, larger than Peanuts in Georgia, and larger than Tobacco in both South Carolina and North Carolina.

5) From 2001 to 2005 federal and state eradication programs eradicated an average of 33,033 outdoor cultivation sites per year and an average of 2,701 indoor marijuana grow-rooms per year. From 1982 to 2005 the Drug Enforcement Administration’s Domestic Cannabis Eradication/Suppression Program (DCESP) eradicated over 103 million cultivated marijuana plants, an average of 4.3 million cultivated plants a year over this 24 year period.

6) The ten-fold growth of production over the last 25 years and its proliferation to every part of the country demonstrate that marijuana has become a pervasive and ineradicable part of the national economy. The failure of intensive eradication programs suggests that it is finally time to give serious consideration to marijuana’s legalization in the United States.

It seems blatantly obvious to me that the cost of resources dedicated to and thoroughly failing to achieve eradication, (Not to mention the associated resources of law enforcement and judicial process) is wasted money.

These resources would be better used in regulation and taxation of a product that is a huge contributor to the economy not only in the US, but here as well.

Teleost said:

Interesting when you trace the origin of The Observer’s material, you can find the primary reference document.

Marijuana Production in the United States (2006) by Jon Gettman
http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/bcr2_index.html

This is much more interesting to read.

Executive summary:

1) Marijuana is the largest cash crop in the United States, more valuable than corn and wheat combined. Using conservative price estimates domestic marijuana production has a value of $35.8 billion. The domestic marijuana crop consists of 56.4 million marijuana plants cultivated outdoors worth $31.7 billion and 11.7 million plants cultivated indoors worth $4.1 billion.

2) The top ten marijuana producing states are California, Tennessee, Kentucky, Hawaii, Washington, North Carolina, Florida, Alabama., West Virginia, and Oregon. Five states (California, Tennessee, Kentucky, Hawaii and Washington) had marijuana crops worth over $1 billion.)

3) Despite intensive eradication efforts domestic marijuana production has increased ten fold over the last 25 years from 1,000 metric tons (2.2 million pounds) in 1981 to 10,000 metric tons (22 million pounds) in 2006, according to federal government estimates.

4) Marijuana is the top cash crop in 12 states, one of the top 3 cash crops in 30 states, and one of the top 5 cash crops in 39 states. The domestic marijuana crop is larger than Cotton in Alabama, larger than Grapes, Vegetables and Hay combined in California, larger than Peanuts in Georgia, and larger than Tobacco in both South Carolina and North Carolina.

5) From 2001 to 2005 federal and state eradication programs eradicated an average of 33,033 outdoor cultivation sites per year and an average of 2,701 indoor marijuana grow-rooms per year. From 1982 to 2005 the Drug Enforcement Administration’s Domestic Cannabis Eradication/Suppression Program (DCESP) eradicated over 103 million cultivated marijuana plants, an average of 4.3 million cultivated plants a year over this 24 year period.

6) The ten-fold growth of production over the last 25 years and its proliferation to every part of the country demonstrate that marijuana has become a pervasive and ineradicable part of the national economy. The failure of intensive eradication programs suggests that it is finally time to give serious consideration to marijuana’s legalization in the United States.

Amazing.

It’s even more amazing when you consider that this is (presumably) supplying a predominantly domestic consumption.

The_observer said:

These factoids are from the earth-friendly “Mother Jones” magazine “24 Mind-Blowing Facts About Marijuana Production in America”, referencing several federal data sources.

A few of those points:

1.80 percent of all marijuana grown in the USA comes from California.

2. In 2013, California authorities seized 329 outdoor pot grow sites with: 1.2 million plants, 119,000lbs of trash, 17,000lbs of fertilizer, 40gal. of pesticides, 244 propane tanks, 61 car batteries, 89 illegal dams, and 81 miles of irrigation pipe.

3. During California’s growing season, outdoor grows consumed roughly 60 million gallons of water a day – 50% more than is used by all residents of San Francisco.

4. In California, indoor pot growing accounts for about 9% of household electricity use.

5.For every pound of pot grown indoors, 4600lbs of >> carbon dioxide goes into the atmosphere.<< California’s production equates to emissions of 3 million cars.

6. The energy needed to produce a single joint is enough to produce 18 pints of beer, and creates emissions comparable to burning a 100 watt light bulb for 25 hours.

surly this must turn you off marijuana crazy. I mean, think of your hippy grandchrildren

well next time im driving my V8 4×4 smoking a joint. i may think about the carbon involved in growing that pot. :)

robadob said:

The_observer said:

These factoids are from the earth-friendly “Mother Jones” magazine “24 Mind-Blowing Facts About Marijuana Production in America”, referencing several federal data sources.

A few of those points:

1.80 percent of all marijuana grown in the USA comes from California.

2. In 2013, California authorities seized 329 outdoor pot grow sites with: 1.2 million plants, 119,000lbs of trash, 17,000lbs of fertilizer, 40gal. of pesticides, 244 propane tanks, 61 car batteries, 89 illegal dams, and 81 miles of irrigation pipe.

3. During California’s growing season, outdoor grows consumed roughly 60 million gallons of water a day – 50% more than is used by all residents of San Francisco.

4. In California, indoor pot growing accounts for about 9% of household electricity use.

5.For every pound of pot grown indoors, 4600lbs of >> carbon dioxide goes into the atmosphere.<< California’s production equates to emissions of 3 million cars.

6. The energy needed to produce a single joint is enough to produce 18 pints of beer, and creates emissions comparable to burning a 100 watt light bulb for 25 hours.

surly this must turn you off marijuana crazy. I mean, think of your hippy grandchrildren

well next time im driving my V8 4×4 smoking a joint. i may think about the carbon involved in growing that pot. :)

A few of those facts are outdated now

Come on!

Sometimes I come here for an argument in the Monty Python sense (Oh why am I never invited upstairs?). Sometimes it just to debunk garbage.

The Observer isn’t so observant that s/he can’t come up with something, no matter how massaged the figures?

Dude, you’ve let me down!