Stealth said:

Good-oh. Just like the search. No data, no comment.

This post has been improved for your benefit.

Trying again with content.

Why do they keep saying that the plane followed a set course that is a fixed angle from the satellite and then start looking at the maximum distance the fuel could have lasted on that arc?
Unless the pilot knew that the satellite would keep handshaking the comms, then why would he fly an arc course. The most likely reason for the plane appearing to be at the same angle from the satellite for five hours is that it wasn’t moving, and after five hours it sunk/burnt/ran out of battery.

I want my money back!

As long as they don’t look under my fridge I am safe.

Stealth said:

then why would he fly an arc course.

Unless I’m mistaken, the arc course that is talked about is a great circle line. Happens to be the quickest way between two points when you’re flying over a globe.

My apologies Stealth,
This is a serious topic folks and deserves an appropriate reply,
Back in my box I go….

sibeen said:

Stealth said:

then why would he fly an arc course.

Unless I’m mistaken, the arc course that is talked about is a great circle line. Happens to be the quickest way between two points when you’re flying over a globe.

Not in this case. The arc course is 40 degrees from the satellite a which was the Ping azimuth of the plane.

Stealth said:

sibeen said:

Stealth said:

then why would he fly an arc course.

Unless I’m mistaken, the arc course that is talked about is a great circle line. Happens to be the quickest way between two points when you’re flying over a globe.

Not in this case. The arc course is 40 degrees from the satellite a which was the Ping azimuth of the plane.

shite sibeen, don’t you know anything?

morrie said:

Stealth said:

sibeen said:

Unless I’m mistaken, the arc course that is talked about is a great circle line. Happens to be the quickest way between two points when you’re flying over a globe.

Not in this case. The arc course is 40 degrees from the satellite a which was the Ping azimuth of the plane.

shite sibeen, don’t you know anything?

Obviously not :)

Stealth said:

sibeen said:

Stealth said:

then why would he fly an arc course.

Unless I’m mistaken, the arc course that is talked about is a great circle line. Happens to be the quickest way between two points when you’re flying over a globe.

Not in this case. The arc course is 40 degrees from the satellite a which was the Ping azimuth of the plane.

The satellite ping is on an arc subtended by the satellite. (Actually a little more complicated than that.) It is not a great circle. The plane was not necessarily flying that arc. Its last ping lies somewhere on the arc. So the last contact with the plane was somewhere on the arc (which lies within an error margin of about 100 nautical miles.

Michael V said:

Stealth said:

sibeen said:

Unless I’m mistaken, the arc course that is talked about is a great circle line. Happens to be the quickest way between two points when you’re flying over a globe.

Not in this case. The arc course is 40 degrees from the satellite a which was the Ping azimuth of the plane.

The satellite ping is on an arc subtended by the satellite. (Actually a little more complicated than that.) It is not a great circle. The plane was not necessarily flying that arc. Its last ping lies somewhere on the arc. So the last contact with the plane was somewhere on the arc (which lies within an error margin of about 100 nautical miles.

That seems to be the case Michael, that it was the last ping, not all the pings which is what the crappy news interpretations were suggesting. Does not explain why the centre of the arc is excluded though?

There is no suggestion the aircraft flew those arcs. It’s just that the last ping (communication) lies on the arcs.

There are two possibilities:

• 1. The satellite only retains the last ping data (why should it not overwrite previous ping info?).

• 2. Nobody has authorised release of other ping data.

I prefer the former.

Stealth said:

Does not explain why the centre of the arc is excluded though?

Because of the timing of exchange of data between user and satellite, and various protocols to establish distance, the distance of 40° was established. The last ping came from that distance. Not inside the circle, not outside.

Note there is not a complete circle. Part of the circle (west) is dismissed, because the fuel load on the plane would not allow it to get there. Part of the circle (east) is dismissed because an overlapping satellite did not see the signal.

Michael V said:

There are two possibilities:

• 1. The satellite only retains the last ping data (why should it not overwrite previous ping info?).

• 2. Nobody has authorised release of other ping data.

I prefer the former.

1. Positioning systems often keep a certain amount of previous information as it helps it to know where to look next.
2. I guess the non-contiguous arc may be based on the previous ping information.

Stealth said:

Michael V said:

There are two possibilities:

• 1. The satellite only retains the last ping data (why should it not overwrite previous ping info?).

• 2. Nobody has authorised release of other ping data.

I prefer the former.

1. Positioning systems often keep a certain amount of previous information as it helps it to know where to look next.
2. I guess the non-contiguous arc may be based on the previous ping information.

The particular satellite is not a positioning satellite – it is a data transmission unit. The satellite is looking for time-stamped data. From the time stamp, it can estimate the communication delays. It can then allocate a time space to receive more data. There is no reason to keep previous information, as it is not looking at a place. It is looking at a time-differential.

Michael V said:

Stealth said:

Michael V said:

There are two possibilities:

• 1. The satellite only retains the last ping data (why should it not overwrite previous ping info?).

• 2. Nobody has authorised release of other ping data.

I prefer the former.

1. Positioning systems often keep a certain amount of previous information as it helps it to know where to look next.
2. I guess the non-contiguous arc may be based on the previous ping information.

The particular satellite is not a positioning satellite – it is a data transmission unit. The satellite is looking for time-stamped data. From the time stamp, it can estimate the communication delays. It can then allocate a time space to receive more data. There is no reason to keep previous information, as it is not looking at a place. It is looking at a time-differential.

Well this may be more misinformation for the press but the handshake that was recorded is done so the satellite knows where to look for the next signal. Now I understand that the primary purpose of the satellite is not positioning in the sense of telling the plane where it is, like a GPS satellite. But the handshake is “ supposedly” about plane positioning relative to the satellite.

I am beginning to think that most of my interpretations are based on dodgy info written by reporters who don’t understand what they are being told, and then being dumbed down to the pubic who they think will understand even less..

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

>Well this may be more misinformation for the press but the handshake that was recorded is done so the satellite knows where to look for the next signal. Now I understand that the primary purpose of the satellite is not positioning in the sense of telling the plane where it is, like a GPS satellite. But the handshake is “ supposedly” about plane positioning relative to the satellite.

Perhaps it depends if the hopping via satellite is active or passive, meaning it may or may not resend or interrogate, which may depend also how the ground station is/and the transponder in the plane are configured. In the case the plane isn’t set to send data, verification or interrogation may not be required. All it may send is a signal indicating a live link.

I gather the satellite antennas use beam steering of sorts, to optimize receiver signal input and minimize power output, for a circular footprint, so from the handshake the delays or latencies or whatever can be analysed to calculate distance, and perhaps the adaptive aspects of the feed into the antennas/array can be analyzed to get elevation. Thing is this or more for the purpose of optimizing links, not for range and direction finding.

I can’t fathom from the information from news if or if not anyone has determined if the plane was in the air for whatever significant portion of the six or seven hours after last communications.

I see that the search for the needle in the ocean-sized haystack is to continue. Face it – it’s gone, they are (i regret to say) dead, and its location is just about impossible to find.

It’s interesting that the ‘possible wreckage’ is described as being 24 metres long (not 25 metres, or even a nice round 20, but 24), but Warren Truss tells us not to get excited, it could be just a shipping container.

Either the photo interpreters were drunk at the time, or else Warren (who represents an agricultutal area, and who used to be Minister for AG and Fish, and Minister for Transport is revealing his ignorance – Containers don’t come much bigger than 10 metres long.

yep, 13m is about the longest. and yep, they’re gone and unlikely to be found unless there is such a thing as luck.

Without wanting to sound too wookie/woo-woo, i find it hard to believe that the satellite images we’ve seen are the best possible/available.

What we were shown was an object described as being 24 metres long/wide. It showed up as an amorphous light-coloured chunk.

Modern reconnaissance satellites have resolution capabilities in the 5cm – 10 cm range. Hell, even some non-spy mapping sats have 1 metre resolution.

It’s difficult for me to credit that the none of the US, Russia, or China have the capability to monitor some areas of the Indian Ocean to a high degree of resolution. Can you imagine the American NRO telling the President, “Sorry, boss, but, darn it, those Chinese ships went into the one bit of ocean we can’t monitor”, or “sorry, Prez, we’ve got photos, but the best we can do is say it’s either a Russian missile submarine or a sperm whale”?

captain_spalding said:

Without wanting to sound too wookie/woo-woo, i find it hard to believe that the satellite images we’ve seen are the best possible/available.

What we were shown was an object described as being 24 metres long/wide. It showed up as an amorphous light-coloured chunk.

Modern reconnaissance satellites have resolution capabilities in the 5cm – 10 cm range. Hell, even some non-spy mapping sats have 1 metre resolution.

It’s difficult for me to credit that the none of the US, Russia, or China have the capability to monitor some areas of the Indian Ocean to a high degree of resolution. Can you imagine the American NRO telling the President, “Sorry, boss, but, darn it, those Chinese ships went into the one bit of ocean we can’t monitor”, or “sorry, Prez, we’ve got photos, but the best we can do is say it’s either a Russian missile submarine or a sperm whale”?

Nobody wants to admit the level of their surveillance capability.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Without wanting to sound too wookie/woo-woo, i find it hard to believe that the satellite images we’ve seen are the best possible/available.

What we were shown was an object described as being 24 metres long/wide. It showed up as an amorphous light-coloured chunk.

Modern reconnaissance satellites have resolution capabilities in the 5cm – 10 cm range. Hell, even some non-spy mapping sats have 1 metre resolution.

It’s difficult for me to credit that the none of the US, Russia, or China have the capability to monitor some areas of the Indian Ocean to a high degree of resolution. Can you imagine the American NRO telling the President, “Sorry, boss, but, darn it, those Chinese ships went into the one bit of ocean we can’t monitor”, or “sorry, Prez, we’ve got photos, but the best we can do is say it’s either a Russian missile submarine or a sperm whale”?

Nobody wants to admit the level of their surveillance capability.

Exactly.

maybe they don’t use the hi-res when passing over remote bits of ocean. kept hearing that satellites were being “redirected” i guess this meant turning the res up rather than changing the satellites orbit parameters.

ChrispenEvan said:

maybe they don’t use the hi-res when passing over remote bits of ocean. kept hearing that satellites were being “redirected” i guess this meant turning the res up rather than changing the satellites orbit parameters.

They still only do certain vectors at a time.. All this as the venerable rabbit suggested, may take some time.

Meanwhile the relatives of the lost, get their pensions cut.

The yanks got it right. They say, you know roughly the big sea bottom that needs looking at.. send submersible robots with sonar.. before the batteries weaken.

Speaking of chemtrails and the age of the P3 Orion. One recently overflew here low after dropping in at our local airport and the thing left four big black trails wherever it went. As it chugged off over the horizon, it was still doing it.

ChrispenEvan said:

maybe they don’t use the hi-res when passing over remote bits of ocean. kept hearing that satellites were being “redirected” i guess this meant turning the res up rather than changing the satellites orbit parameters.

KH-series satellites typically orbit at 250km – 300 km at their lowest point. You don’t make big changes in such low and fast orbits. Typically, it’s a matter of waiting until that satellite, or another that can see the same area passes by if you want further images.

That said, no-one is going to be happy if it’s, like, 24 hours before you can get more/better pics of what caught your eye. Stuff like submarines can move a long way very quickly. Follow-up should happen very promptly.

As well, you’d like to have the best res you can on the first pics – you just may not get another shot of whatever it is, and it’d be good to know if it really is worth following up on.

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

maybe they don’t use the hi-res when passing over remote bits of ocean. kept hearing that satellites were being “redirected” i guess this meant turning the res up rather than changing the satellites orbit parameters.

KH-series satellites typically orbit at 250km – 300 km at their lowest point. You don’t make big changes in such low and fast orbits. Typically, it’s a matter of waiting until that satellite, or another that can see the same area passes by if you want further images.

That said, no-one is going to be happy if it’s, like, 24 hours before you can get more/better pics of what caught your eye. Stuff like submarines can move a long way very quickly. Follow-up should happen very promptly.

As well, you’d like to have the best res you can on the first pics – you just may not get another shot of whatever it is, and it’d be good to know if it really is worth following up on.

Surely most of it is under the sea. All the knowledge we have gathered so far is that by way of several different theories as to why, they all end up in this spot. So why not start trawling the undersea, than scope for ever breaking up semi-floating debris?

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

maybe they don’t use the hi-res when passing over remote bits of ocean. kept hearing that satellites were being “redirected” i guess this meant turning the res up rather than changing the satellites orbit parameters.

KH-series satellites typically orbit at 250km – 300 km at their lowest point. You don’t make big changes in such low and fast orbits. Typically, it’s a matter of waiting until that satellite, or another that can see the same area passes by if you want further images.

That said, no-one is going to be happy if it’s, like, 24 hours before you can get more/better pics of what caught your eye. Stuff like submarines can move a long way very quickly. Follow-up should happen very promptly.

As well, you’d like to have the best res you can on the first pics – you just may not get another shot of whatever it is, and it’d be good to know if it really is worth following up on.

Surely most of it is under the sea. All the knowledge we have gathered so far is that by way of several different theories as to why, they all end up in this spot. So why not start trawling the undersea, than scope for ever breaking up semi-floating debris?

We could be lucky. It could be sitting on the ridge.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

KH-series satellites typically orbit at 250km – 300 km at their lowest point. You don’t make big changes in such low and fast orbits. Typically, it’s a matter of waiting until that satellite, or another that can see the same area passes by if you want further images.

That said, no-one is going to be happy if it’s, like, 24 hours before you can get more/better pics of what caught your eye. Stuff like submarines can move a long way very quickly. Follow-up should happen very promptly.

As well, you’d like to have the best res you can on the first pics – you just may not get another shot of whatever it is, and it’d be good to know if it really is worth following up on.

Surely most of it is under the sea. All the knowledge we have gathered so far is that by way of several different theories as to why, they all end up in this spot. So why not start trawling the undersea, than scope for ever breaking up semi-floating debris?

We could be lucky. It could be sitting on the ridge.

The ridge is still at 2500 metres deep.

jjjust moi said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Surely most of it is under the sea. All the knowledge we have gathered so far is that by way of several different theories as to why, they all end up in this spot. So why not start trawling the undersea, than scope for ever breaking up semi-floating debris?

We could be lucky. It could be sitting on the ridge.

The ridge is still at 2500 metres deep.

Yeah but that is shallow in general terms for the area.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Without wanting to sound too wookie/woo-woo, i find it hard to believe that the satellite images we’ve seen are the best possible/available.

What we were shown was an object described as being 24 metres long/wide. It showed up as an amorphous light-coloured chunk.

Modern reconnaissance satellites have resolution capabilities in the 5cm – 10 cm range. Hell, even some non-spy mapping sats have 1 metre resolution.

It’s difficult for me to credit that the none of the US, Russia, or China have the capability to monitor some areas of the Indian Ocean to a high degree of resolution. Can you imagine the American NRO telling the President, “Sorry, boss, but, darn it, those Chinese ships went into the one bit of ocean we can’t monitor”, or “sorry, Prez, we’ve got photos, but the best we can do is say it’s either a Russian missile submarine or a sperm whale”?

Nobody wants to admit the level of their surveillance capability.

Exactly.

+1

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Without wanting to sound too wookie/woo-woo, i find it hard to believe that the satellite images we’ve seen are the best possible/available.

What we were shown was an object described as being 24 metres long/wide. It showed up as an amorphous light-coloured chunk.

Modern reconnaissance satellites have resolution capabilities in the 5cm – 10 cm range. Hell, even some non-spy mapping sats have 1 metre resolution.

It’s difficult for me to credit that the none of the US, Russia, or China have the capability to monitor some areas of the Indian Ocean to a high degree of resolution. Can you imagine the American NRO telling the President, “Sorry, boss, but, darn it, those Chinese ships went into the one bit of ocean we can’t monitor”, or “sorry, Prez, we’ve got photos, but the best we can do is say it’s either a Russian missile submarine or a sperm whale”?

Nobody wants to admit the level of their surveillance capability.

Exactly.

exzachary

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Nobody wants to admit the level of their surveillance capability.

Exactly.

exzachary

even wookie agrees.. :)

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

Exactly.

exzachary

even wookie agrees.. :)

no that’s the name of my stockbroker

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

exzachary

even wookie agrees.. :)

no that’s the name of my stockbroker

If you have money, why not give half of it to a worthy cause like ending slavery?

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

even wookie agrees.. :)

no that’s the name of my stockbroker

If you have money, why not give half of it to a worthy cause like ending slavery?

why not give all my money away – that should help end a few problems for about 2 seconds?

anyway most of this money being sent abroad only ends up paying off the interest on a banks loan or buying weapons.

foreign counties are very happy for money to be sent to them – it means they can cut back on other services in the expectation of lovely moolah coming their way.

they are shipping in millions of problems in now so theres no point sending any money abroad as abroad and all its problems are now here.

I take a pragmatic approach with my money and either donate to animal charities or a cause here that is solving problems locally.

never give money to groups that support and fuel social problems

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

no that’s the name of my stockbroker

If you have money, why not give half of it to a worthy cause like ending slavery?

why not give all my money away – that should help end a few problems for about 2 seconds?

anyway most of this money being sent abroad only ends up paying off the interest on a banks loan or buying weapons.

foreign counties are very happy for money to be sent to them – it means they can cut back on other services in the expectation of lovely moolah coming their way.

they are shipping in millions of problems in now so theres no point sending any money abroad as abroad and all its problems are now here.

I take a pragmatic approach with my money and either donate to animal charities or a cause here that is solving problems locally.

never give money to groups that support and fuel social problems

I have no arguments with your comments that I think worth mentioning at this time.. other than; money well directed, gives immediate results.

roughbarked said:

Nobody wants to admit the level of their surveillance capability.

My thoughts are that ‘the authorities’ already know damn well whether it is/is not a chunk of MH370, but, as roughie says, they can’t say so, because that would ‘reveal’ their surveillance abilities.

So, we have an expensive cover operation going on. As the non-spy sat has shown that there’s ‘something’ out there, and it’s hit the papers, it can’t be ignored. But rather than say “well, we know for sure it is/is not the missing plane, because our super-dooper satellites show us that”, an effort has to be made to look for it with aircraft and ships.

The Chinese don’t mind,because it’s a good excuse to operate some of their warships in an area where such things would normally cause consternation.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Nobody wants to admit the level of their surveillance capability.

My thoughts are that ‘the authorities’ already know damn well whether it is/is not a chunk of MH370, but, as roughie says, they can’t say so, because that would ‘reveal’ their surveillance abilities.

So, we have an expensive cover operation going on. As the non-spy sat has shown that there’s ‘something’ out there, and it’s hit the papers, it can’t be ignored. But rather than say “well, we know for sure it is/is not the missing plane, because our super-dooper satellites show us that”, an effort has to be made to look for it with aircraft and ships.

The Chinese don’t mind,because it’s a good excuse to operate some of their warships in an area where such things would normally cause consternation.

Personally, had thought it best not to mention that latter consternatitive..

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Nobody wants to admit the level of their surveillance capability.

My thoughts are that ‘the authorities’ already know damn well whether it is/is not a chunk of MH370, but, as roughie says, they can’t say so, because that would ‘reveal’ their surveillance abilities.

So, we have an expensive cover operation going on. As the non-spy sat has shown that there’s ‘something’ out there, and it’s hit the papers, it can’t be ignored. But rather than say “well, we know for sure it is/is not the missing plane, because our super-dooper satellites show us that”, an effort has to be made to look for it with aircraft and ships.

The Chinese don’t mind,because it’s a good excuse to operate some of their warships in an area where such things would normally cause consternation.

Personally, had thought it best not to mention that latter consternatitive..

Is the Jindalee over the horizon radar system still operative ? Surely that should have picked up this aircraft.

JORN was looking north for boat people not west for planes. or so i have read.

ChrispenEvan said:

JORN was looking north for boat people not west for planes. or so i have read.

It must have flown through the radars range at some stage

>Is the Jindalee over the horizon radar system still operative ? Surely that should have picked up this aircraft

ChrispenEvan said:

JORN was looking north for boat people not west for planes. or so i have read.

Yep. Read a piece the other day that suggested with the rise of China’s and India’s blue water navy fleets there will be a fair chance that Jindalee will be expanded to begin looking deeper into the Indian ocean. Jindalee is our early warning system and it wouldn’t be much use if anyone can just slip by by coming in from the west.

that’s how we got in, came from the west.

animal welfare vid about caged chooks being “liberated”. one of the points was “lay your eggs in private”.

:-)

Another conspiracy theory
=====================
Nothing like a good conspiracy…..

So, my friend was reading this on facebook last night and apparently just after she copied it, it was deleted before her eyes after it got about 100 likes in 10 minutes!!

NOTHING much would get past the Americans..

The comment that was deleted….

If it wasn’t such a tragic event we could all freely laugh with great gusto at the mainstream media regarding the disappearance of Malaysian flight 370. Every single source, substantiated or not, was taken as a great revelation. It was and continues to be a sad circus of events.

See photos in close up detail by clicking on the attachment at end of this article

If those following the serious clues left available there is only one question to ask. Why does no one mention the Indian Oceans most advanced and secure air base, the stationary Aircraft Carrier located south of the southern tip of India called Diego Garcia?

Not a peep. Not even an indication of a US managed military installation that monitors everything in this war region. In fact the best old metaphor regarding the lack of reference to this location is The Silence Is Deafening.

So here it is. As CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBC, BBC, CTV and all the rest are prepared to spout off theories without any solid confirmation, here is one from a source who wishes to remain unidentified from Northwest BC Canada. This individual comes from a three decade long background of exposing the secrets the one percent and the military forces would rather have remained secret. He has recently revealed what happened to flight 370. Film at Eleven.

Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah prepared and practised with his home flight simulator and had determined the maximum speed and angle of decent the Boeing 777 could withstand.

As soon as the flight reached the extent of the Malaysian radar capability, when he knew they would no longer expect to see his radar signal, he wished the ground crews good night. He then turned off one tracking device, waited to see if anyone responded or raised alarm for 15 minutes, then turned off all communication devices. He locked the cabin door to prevent anyone from entering after asking his co-pilot to get him a drink or check on a system outside of the cockpit.

The Captain then immediately turned the plane southwest into a know flight path and climbed to over 40,000 ft. the maximum structural capability of the Boeing 777. He put on the pilot supplied air mask and kept the plane at over 40,000 ft until he was certain all the passengers and crew, including his co-pilot, were asphyxiated.

From his flight simulator experimentation he had already determined the precise coordinates where he would initiate his next action. To bring the plane down at the maximum speed and maximum angle of decent to make a direct hit on the fuel storage tanks at Diego Garcia.

As he initiated this direct course of action the American Military had not been concerned with the radar blip of this flight at 40,000 plus feet. They monitor vessels and flights which appear to be a threat or are invading their space. However they were suddenly brought into complete attention as their warning systems set off alarms.
The base at Diego Garcia attempted to make radio contact and immediately dispatching interceptors. Knowing full well this was an imminent threat, having no time to debate the issue and recognizing the aircraft was operating in what was basically stealth mode, uncommunicative, the plane was shot out of the sky.

Becoming aware of which flight it was with the political and potential military repercussions, the US military ordered a complete lock down on all communications regarding the event and began dispatching crews to locate and pick up all the debris.

When the rest of the world became aware the flight was missing the US Navy offered all their resource to help them look for it in the South China Sea, then the Gulf of Thailand, Bay of Bengal and the Strait of Malacca. This kept the worlds’ attention focused away from the location they were cleaning up.

US 7th Fleet Commander William Marks told CNN We wait for the Malaysians to tell us where to search and we go there.

This is the most telling statement of all. Since when does the US take directions from Malaysia unless they are simply providing the rope to let them hang themselves.

The most powerful radar systems in the region are at Diego Garcia. A perfect target for such an attack, one the USA stopped and one they simply cannot reveal to the world due to the nationality of the passengers on board. They will continue to assist in the search while doing everything to ensure no one even mentions Diego Garcia in the mainstream media.

end

Note – the article does not refer to the designator of the Malaysian Flight MH370.

posted previously in this thread.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/25/355959/the-cia-hoax-flight-370-revealed/

One thing that surprised me is to learn that when you ring a mobile phone and hear the “ringing” tone, it doesn’t mean the phone is ringing. It just means the system is searching for the phone.

dv said:

One thing that surprised me is to learn that when you ring a mobile phone and hear the “ringing” tone, it doesn’t mean the phone is ringing. It just means the system is searching for the phone.

wake up phonephiles..

With ye olden landlines, it was possible to pick it up before it rang and find someone on the line.

dv said:

One thing that surprised me is to learn that when you ring a mobile phone and hear the “ringing” tone, it doesn’t mean the phone is ringing. It just means the system is searching for the phone.

If so, it doesn’t happen often. When I ring someone and their phone is off or out of range, it just goes straight to messagebank.

Divine Angel said:

With ye olden landlines, it was possible to pick it up before it rang and find someone on the line.

party lines.

Kingy said:

dv said:

One thing that surprised me is to learn that when you ring a mobile phone and hear the “ringing” tone, it doesn’t mean the phone is ringing. It just means the system is searching for the phone.

If so, it doesn’t happen often. When I ring someone and their phone is off or out of range, it just goes straight to messagebank.

Depends how far it has to seek.

Nope, private.

Divine Angel said:

Nope, private.

cordless or stand near it.?

Divine Angel said:

With ye olden landlines, it was possible to pick it up before it rang and find someone on the line.

I’ve had that happen, but rarely.

jjjust moi said:

Divine Angel said:

With ye olden landlines, it was possible to pick it up before it rang and find someone on the line.

I’ve had that happen, but rarely.

There exist several reasons but water in inspection pits is a biggie.

>One thing that surprised me is to learn that when you ring a mobile phone and hear the “ringing” tone, it doesn’t mean the phone is ringing. It just means the system is searching for the phone.

I suppose that’s sort of right, but not really, I mean a landline still rings when no phone attached, still sends the tone or higher voltage ring pulses down the line, wont give the person ringing any idea at all whether or not a phone connected, though if a phone is connected and off hook pulls line voltage down and it’d give engaged signal.\

Not sure.

Luckily we have some intelligentsia in the media helping us with pertinent information, such as this …

transition said:

>One thing that surprised me is to learn that when you ring a mobile phone and hear the “ringing” tone, it doesn’t mean the phone is ringing. It just means the system is searching for the phone.

I suppose that’s sort of right, but not really, I mean a landline still rings when no phone attached, still sends the tone or higher voltage ring pulses down the line, wont give the person ringing any idea at all whether or not a phone connected, though if a phone is connected and off hook pulls line voltage down and it’d give engaged signal.\

Not sure.

Engaged signal would click in after a certain amount of pulses.. which can be preset.

Spiny Norman said:

Luckily we have some intelligentsia in the media helping us with pertinent information, such as this …

Face it.. How could the media save anyone?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1mk9qCEAAwHQY.jpg

slaps self, don’t believe it :)

transition said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1mk9qCEAAwHQY.jpg

slaps self, don’t believe it :)

repeats the exercise.

Spiny Norman said:

Luckily we have some intelligentsia in the media helping us with pertinent information, such as this …

!https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1mk9qCEAAwHQY.jpg

Well, it is CNN

Tamb said:

Spiny Norman said:

Luckily we have some intelligentsia in the media helping us with pertinent information, such as this …

!https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1mk9qCEAAwHQY.jpg

Well, it is CNN

C’ts now nuthin?

roughbarked said:

jjjust moi said:

Divine Angel said:

With ye olden landlines, it was possible to pick it up before it rang and find someone on the line.

I’ve had that happen, but rarely.

There exist several reasons but water in inspection pits is a biggie.

No.

The landline went: connect/pause/ring/pause etc.

Freakish pickup on the first pause.

server is set to block links opening auto presently by the looks, well maybe from some domains.

roughbarked said:

transition said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1mk9qCEAAwHQY.jpg

slaps self, don’t believe it :)

repeats the exercise.

They are Americans, give them a break

Spiny Norman said:

Luckily we have some intelligentsia in the media helping us with pertinent information, such as this …

But surely the plane is lighter without all that heavy fuel?

Spiny Norman said:

Luckily we have some intelligentsia in the media helping us with pertinent information, such as this …

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Unless the pilot can fly gliders, AND find a thermal.

Spiny Norman said:

Luckily we have some intelligentsia in the media helping us with pertinent information, such as this …

I hope you learned that in pilot skool.

is that image displaying for others, is not here.

Divine Angel said:

Spiny Norman said:

Luckily we have some intelligentsia in the media helping us with pertinent information, such as this …

I hope you learned that in pilot skool.

Yeah that’s why I stopped for fuel every now and then.
Plane making noise = good.
Plane not making noise = bad.

transition said:

is that image displaying for others, is not here.

Yes.

>Yes.

cheers, wont open in this frame, does in new window if go “open image”

Spiny Norman said:

Yeah that’s why I stopped for fuel every now and then.
Plane making noise = good.
Plane not making noise = bad.

Same goes for cars, I believe.

Well, most cars. The electric ones don’t make much noise.

Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

Spiny Norman said:

Luckily we have some intelligentsia in the media helping us with pertinent information, such as this …

I hope you learned that in pilot skool.

Yeah that’s why I stopped for fuel every now and then.
Plane making noise = good.
Plane not making noise = bad.

Not to mention the houses lever

Push forward and the houses get bigger

Pull back and the houses get smaller

roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

dv said:

One thing that surprised me is to learn that when you ring a mobile phone and hear the “ringing” tone, it doesn’t mean the phone is ringing. It just means the system is searching for the phone.

If so, it doesn’t happen often. When I ring someone and their phone is off or out of range, it just goes straight to messagebank.

Depends how far it has to seek.

They really ought to change that.

Spiny Norman said:

Luckily we have some intelligentsia in the media helping us with pertinent information, such as this …

Gump!

Maybe it happened a bit like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlDXQdgx_QU

Divine Angel said:

Spiny Norman said:

Yeah that’s why I stopped for fuel every now and then.
Plane making noise = good.
Plane not making noise = bad.

My Dad told the story of being in a Mitchell bomber on approach to Townsville. Pilot shifted tanks & both engines cut. Dad said that you’d be surprised how many noises a plane makes which are normally masked by the engines. Creaks, groans, whines & whistles. Happy ending. Pilot reselected to almost empty tanks & the engines restarted.

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Pilot’s last words not “All right, good night”, Malaysia’s civil aviation authority says

Seems they cannot get things right.

Why?

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Search could be hindered by oceans full of garbage, experts say

Maybe this device could help finding bits of floating airplane amount all the other rubbish.

A few more would be needed.

Teen invents device to clean giant ocean garbage patches

amount = amongst

Looks like a Chinese Ship has picked up the black box signal

CrazyNeutrino said:

Looks like a Chinese Ship has picked up the black box signal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lOb799cTxM

>Looks like a Chinese Ship has picked up the black box signal

Yeah punched suggested coordinates into Google, looks bit north and bit closer WA coast, if did it right.

guessing few passes they’d be able to triangulate from signal strength alone.

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Chinese ship detects pulse in southern Indian Ocean, according to report

CrazyNeutrino said:

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Chinese ship detects pulse in southern Indian Ocean, according to report

Those whales and their practical jokes… gotta love ‘em

What’s the approximate end date that the black box will stop signalling? IIRC it’s about 30 days from the crash?

Divine Angel said:

What’s the approximate end date that the black box will stop signalling? IIRC it’s about 30 days from the crash?

Yeah 30 days used by but have been know to go a lot longer.

This report of the pulse, like so many others, is a bit hand waving.
They have either got the pulse or they haven’t, there should not be any maybe or could in these press releases.
Once a ship picks up this pulse it can nail it’s position straight away and get the pulse confirmed very quickly.
I’m calling this one as another false dawn brought to you by over eager reporters and dumb search personnel.
I’ll be happy to be proved wrong.

Peak Warming Man said:

This report of the pulse, like so many others, is a bit hand waving.
They have either got the pulse or they haven’t, there should not be any maybe or could in these press releases.
Once a ship picks up this pulse it can nail it’s position straight away and get the pulse confirmed very quickly.
I’m calling this one as another false dawn brought to you by over eager reporters and dumb search personnel.
I’ll be happy to be proved wrong.

It’s starting to get ridiculous.

The search effort has become it’s very own news story and it’s a self-perpetuating monster.