Date: 28/03/2014 12:51:51
From: Wocky
ID: 510215
Subject: Autism present before birth

A study published in the most recent New England Journal of Medicine reports that patches of disorganization in the brains of children with autism, which are not present in brains of those without autism, are consistent with dysregulation of layer formation in the prenatal development stage.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1307491

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Date: 28/03/2014 13:02:03
From: poikilotherm
ID: 510221
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

Interesting. It would have been fun writing the ethics approval for that…dead kid brains.

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Date: 28/03/2014 13:36:52
From: transition
ID: 510242
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

>dysregulation of layer formation in the prenatal development stage

The unfoldings, tending structural organization. It may turn out a bunch of wetware (interconnectional) mediating between desires/drivers and an array of mental tools is not quite so bidirectional, so is not quite so self-enabling and builds itself. The ‘third-person apparatus’, tends multiview possibilites of self and others, lends to orders of intentionality, probably, further, by some ihibitory mechanism common to ‘normals’ too, tends a bit unfavourably of work in the social field.

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Date: 28/03/2014 14:26:10
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 510249
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

I bet they will track down the cause to chemicals that should not be in the body like preservatives or alcohol etc

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Date: 28/03/2014 14:27:15
From: Carmen_Sandiego
ID: 510250
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

CrazyNeutrino said:


I bet they will track down the cause to chemicals that should not be in the body like preservatives or alcohol etc

The parents’ vaccinations caused it.

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Date: 28/03/2014 18:11:12
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 510373
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

transition said:


>dysregulation of layer formation in the prenatal development stage

The unfoldings, tending structural organization. It may turn out a bunch of wetware (interconnectional) mediating between desires/drivers and an array of mental tools is not quite so bidirectional, so is not quite so self-enabling and builds itself. The ‘third-person apparatus’, tends multiview possibilites of self and others, lends to orders of intentionality, probably, further, by some ihibitory mechanism common to ‘normals’ too, tends a bit unfavourably of work in the social field.

Tends a bit of unmitigated bullshit.

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Date: 28/03/2014 18:12:34
From: sibeen
ID: 510375
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

Witty Rejoinder said:


transition said:

>dysregulation of layer formation in the prenatal development stage

The unfoldings, tending structural organization. It may turn out a bunch of wetware (interconnectional) mediating between desires/drivers and an array of mental tools is not quite so bidirectional, so is not quite so self-enabling and builds itself. The ‘third-person apparatus’, tends multiview possibilites of self and others, lends to orders of intentionality, probably, further, by some ihibitory mechanism common to ‘normals’ too, tends a bit unfavourably of work in the social field.

Tends a bit of unmitigated bullshit.

It’s English, Jim, but not as we know it.

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Date: 28/03/2014 18:31:18
From: Dropbear
ID: 510383
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

Witty Rejoinder said:


transition said:

>dysregulation of layer formation in the prenatal development stage

The unfoldings, tending structural organization. It may turn out a bunch of wetware (interconnectional) mediating between desires/drivers and an array of mental tools is not quite so bidirectional, so is not quite so self-enabling and builds itself. The ‘third-person apparatus’, tends multiview possibilites of self and others, lends to orders of intentionality, probably, further, by some ihibitory mechanism common to ‘normals’ too, tends a bit unfavourably of work in the social field.

Tends a bit of unmitigated bullshit.

Hmm yes quite… blows on bubble pipe

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Date: 28/03/2014 19:26:58
From: transition
ID: 510437
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefrontal_cortex

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Date: 30/03/2014 22:54:18
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 511548
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

I wish people would stop using the word “autism”. It’s Autististic spectrum disorders and there are huge differences across the spectrum, so you need to say which of the autistic spectrum disorders. Part of the DEFINITION of autistic spectrum disorders is the ability to diagnose them at a very early age.

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Date: 30/03/2014 23:20:49
From: transition
ID: 511557
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

>Autististic spectrum disorders

Still framed by constructions courtesy the normalistic narrow order.

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Date: 31/03/2014 13:10:14
From: esselte
ID: 511591
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

mollwollfumble said:


…you need to say which of the autistic spectrum disorders.

They did!

Autism.

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Date: 2/04/2014 08:33:16
From: transition
ID: 512526
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

>Hmm yes quite

‘Unfoldings’ meant neural branching resulting in structure to generalize, and structures regards functional modularity (not restricting the proposition to physical modularity).

‘Third person’ was to do with executive overview, executive functions, that sort of thing, but the mix of familiarity and perhaps even detachment that makes viewing self and others situationally and variously having input into those things, which goes to Theory of Mind and more.

‘Bidirectionality’ is to do with mediation capacities, which of drivers in motivation (desires etc) are involved in accessing and summoning mental tools, and a composite is generated from that, so the memory of affecting such things (which probably typically generated insights of the processes) is a developmentally progressive process, and likely structure itself.

I do wonder is ‘normal’ behaviour controls (mostly informal) of the social field (for normals) are adaptive for all, the inhibitory-tending aspects. Could be that they are bit metaphysically impoverished to do the best work they can, more broadly.

For various reasons things have been a bit slow to acknowledge ‘the structure of minds’, and even neuroscience has been a bit slow, tending more to have things swimming around in neurochemistry as the focus (a type of determinism in a way).

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Date: 2/04/2014 08:37:46
From: transition
ID: 512528
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

Correction…. I do wonder IF ‘normal’ behaviour controls….

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Date: 2/04/2014 09:03:45
From: ratty one
ID: 512533
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

Doesn’t seem that new to me these suggestions. The a-typical but perhaps typical clustering of the neurotransmitters through out the brain appear to have higher concentrations in certain regions of the brain and not is other regions of the brain and therefore the over development in some regions is possible and the under development in other regions is due partially and perhaps significantly due to the baseline structural differences the individual brain structure from the get go.

This is also evident to imo and understanding….if we were to digress and consider a savant.

Same or similar structural differences but may be caused by a brain injury through out that person’s life too and not limited to being a pre-birth thing.
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Date: 2/04/2014 09:15:17
From: ratty one
ID: 512536
Subject: re: Autism present before birth

edits-

Doesn’t seem that new to me these suggestions.

The a-typical neurotransmitters clustering but perhaps typical neurotransmitters clustering within the autism spectrum disorders is interesting but not that new in identification or recognition.

This anomaly for an individual could be conducive to the conditions that enables higher or over development of some regions of the brain and conversely the under development of other regions of the brain. Which might partially or perhaps significantly be related to the notable baseline structural differences within that particular individual’s brain structure from the get go.

This is not news to me though.

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