Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe says he will abide by ICJ whaling ban

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-03/japan-cancels-antarctic-whaling-season/5364786

Japan is cancelling its Antarctic whale hunt for the first time in more than 25 years, just days after the UN’s International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered an end to the controversial practice.

“We have decided to cancel research whaling (in the Antarctic) for the fiscal year starting in April because of the recent ruling,” a fisheries agency official told the AFP news agency.

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Yeah right

What are Greenpeace going to do now?

Skeptic Pete said:

What are Greenpeace going to do now?

Trash some more agricultural experiments.

• What are Greenpeace going to do now?

I believe that the militant sea shepherd org plan to go and harass inuits now…

dv said:

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“We have decided to cancel research whaling (in the Antarctic) for the fiscal year starting in April because of the recent ruling,” a fisheries agency official told the AFP news agency.

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captain_spalding said:

dv said:

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“We have decided to cancel research whaling (in the Antarctic) for the fiscal year starting in April because of the recent ruling,” a fisheries agency official told the AFP news agency.

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That’s to allow time for Japan to find grounds on which to quit the IWC, in spite of any earlier statements that they won’t quit it, and thus be able to say to the world ‘stuff you, you don’t tell us Sons of Heaven what to do’, and resume killing whales, but without any restrictions at all..

All in an ‘honourable’ way, of course.

captain_spalding said:

That’s to allow time for Japan to find grounds on which to quit the IWC, in spite of any earlier statements that they won’t quit it, and thus be able to say to the world ‘stuff you, you don’t tell us Sons of Heaven what to do’, and resume killing whales, but without any restrictions at all..

All in an ‘honourable’ way, of course.

I think quiting the IWC would mean losing face. As I see it now they can retire gracefully.

Witty Rejoinder said:

I think quiting the IWC would mean losing face. As I see it now they can retire gracefully.

That’s what i mean by an ‘honourable’ way.

They’ll need time to somehow portray themselves as victims of prejudice, and thus absolve themselves of any responsibility for going back on their ‘word’.

The Japanese play a long game, and will have not been unprepared for an adverse ruling.

captain_spalding said:

That’s what i mean by an ‘honourable’ way.

They’ll need time to somehow portray themselves as victims of prejudice, and thus absolve themselves of any responsibility for going back on their ‘word’.

The Japanese play a long game, and will have not been unprepared for an adverse ruling.

As I see it the whole issue can be put down as a mere misunderstanding about what constitutes scientific research so now after this clarification Japan can bow out gracefully. I don’t think there is any reason why Japan would again take up whaling. It is not as though it was a profitable exercise.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

That’s what i mean by an ‘honourable’ way.

They’ll need time to somehow portray themselves as victims of prejudice, and thus absolve themselves of any responsibility for going back on their ‘word’.

The Japanese play a long game, and will have not been unprepared for an adverse ruling.

As I see it the whole issue can be put down as a mere misunderstanding about what constitutes scientific research so now after this clarification Japan can bow out gracefully. I don’t think there is any reason why Japan would again take up whaling. It is not as though it was a profitable exercise.

This ruling only affects Antarctic whaling and Japan will continue to whale in other parts of the Pacific.

Japan imports a few hundred tons per year of whale meat from Iceland and Norway (whose whaling does not seem to garner much criticism, for some reason), and it might well be in their best interests to rely on imports more heavily.

Why don’t the Japs send their fleet and claim that they only shot at the whales in self defence, the whales were attacking their ships? More plausible than the scientific whaling crap.

Of course, Japan have the option of devising a more scientific means of killing whales and then get back into it, but I think they will take this as a way retreating while saving face.

Current whaling nations (in mammals per annum) (gleaned form WP)

Faroe Islands 950
Norway 800
Iceland 216
Greenland 175
Russia 140
USA 50
Indonesia ~10
St Vinc and Gren 4
Canada ~1

dv said:

Current whaling nations (in mammals per annum) (gleaned form WP)

Faroe Islands 950
Norway 800
Japan 650 (average of recent years)
Iceland 216
Greenland 175
Russia 140
USA 50
Indonesia ~10
St Vinc and Gren 4
Canada ~1

I imagine they’re not allowed to export it. I’ve never come across tinned whale. I suppose it would be sold in the tinned fish aisle, even though it’s not fish.

What are we going to do when they start protesting about Australians eating kangaroo?

Bubblecar said:

I imagine they’re not allowed to export it. I’ve never come across tinned whale. I suppose it would be sold in the tinned fish aisle, even though it’s not fish.

Iceland and Norway export whalemeat.

Skeptic Pete said:

What are we going to do when they start protesting about Australians eating kangaroo?

I’d be surprised if there’s any shortage of the species that are eaten.

Skeptic Pete said:

What are we going to do when they start protesting about Australians eating kangaroo?

What’s that Skip?

the chips are underneath?

ah, thanks Skippy :P

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

I imagine they’re not allowed to export it. I’ve never come across tinned whale. I suppose it would be sold in the tinned fish aisle, even though it’s not fish.

Iceland and Norway export whalemeat.

Unto where?

dv said:

dv said:

Current whaling nations (in mammals per annum) (gleaned form WP)

Faroe Islands 950
Norway 800
Japan 650 (average of recent years)
Iceland 216
Greenland 175
Russia 140
USA 50
Indonesia ~10
St Vinc and Gren 4
Canada ~1

Fucking Canadians!

Bubblecar said:

Skeptic Pete said:

What are we going to do when they start protesting about Australians eating kangaroo?

I’d be surprised if there’s any shortage of the species that are eaten.

That’s not the point. They’re cute.

sibeen said:

dv said:

dv said:

Current whaling nations (in mammals per annum) (gleaned form WP)

Faroe Islands 950
Norway 800
Japan 650 (average of recent years)
Iceland 216
Greenland 175
Russia 140
USA 50
Indonesia ~10
St Vinc and Gren 4
Canada ~1

Fucking Canadians eh!

*fixed

dv said:

Current whaling nations (in mammals per annum) (gleaned form WP)

Faroe Islands 950
Norway 800
Iceland 216
Greenland 175
Russia 140
USA 50
Indonesia ~10
St Vinc and Gren 4
Canada ~1

If my memory is correct the Faroe Islanders only row out for their kills. I’d hardly call that scientific.

Skeptic Pete said:

Bubblecar said:

Skeptic Pete said:

What are we going to do when they start protesting about Australians eating kangaroo?

I’d be surprised if there’s any shortage of the species that are eaten.

That’s not the point. They’re cute.

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Do the Kiwis eat whales? is that what they call fush?

Skeptic Pete said:

What are we going to do when they start protesting about Australians eating kangaroo?

Nothing. What they think doesn’t matter.

I am in favour of no whaling in the Antarctic region regardless of the nation.

dv said:

Current whaling nations (in mammals per annum) (gleaned form WP)

Faroe Islands 950
Norway 800
Japan 650 (average of recent years)
Iceland 216
Greenland 175
Russia 140
USA 50
Indonesia ~10
St Vinc and Gren 4
Canada ~1

Can I quote you on that?
I thought Canada was catching far more whales than that. Global Village did a program about hunting by native northern inhabitants of Quebec that included hunting whales, though no whales were caught during the filming itself.

>>>If my memory is correct the Faroe Islanders only row out for their kills. I’d hardly call that scientific.<<<

how do Faroe Islanders go in the Olympic events>

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

I imagine they’re not allowed to export it. I’ve never come across tinned whale. I suppose it would be sold in the tinned fish aisle, even though it’s not fish.

Iceland and Norway export whalemeat.

Unto where?

Japan

>>>Iceland and Norway export whalemeat.
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I’d like minke on wholemeal,

for lunch

sibeen said:

dv said:

Current whaling nations (in mammals per annum) (gleaned form WP)

Faroe Islands 950
Norway 800
Iceland 216
Greenland 175
Russia 140
USA 50
Indonesia ~10
St Vinc and Gren 4
Canada ~1

If my memory is correct the Faroe Islanders only row out for their kills. I’d hardly call that scientific.

I don’t understand your point. Apart from Japan, none of these countries claim their whaling program is for scientific purposes.

The_observer said:

>>>Iceland and Norway export whalemeat.
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I’d like minke on wholemeal,

for lunch

That’s unaustralian. Lamb on white bread is mandatory.

>>>Lamb on white bread is mandatory.<

for lunch ?

The_observer said:

>>>Lamb on white bread is mandatory.<

for lunch ?

Yes. On toast for breakfast & with mint sauce for dinner. Just ask Sam Kekovich.

>>>Yes. On toast for breakfast & with mint sauce for dinner. Just ask Sam Kekovich.<<

what if I have minke on white?

would that be acceptable ?

The_observer said:

>>>Yes. On toast for breakfast & with mint sauce for dinner. Just ask Sam Kekovich.<<

what if I have minke on white?

would that be acceptable ?

Is it mint sauce compatible?

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Is it mint sauce compatible?
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would make the bread soggy

“The government has long argued that whaling is an ancient Japanese tradition. Maintaining the argument has been costly. A report by the International Fund for Animal Welfare says Japan has in effect nationalised its whaling programme, subsidising it to the tune of $400m since 1988. Ever fewer Japanese eat whale meat. For the middle-aged diners, a visit to Kujiraya is an expensive culinary trip down memory lane (industrial whaling expanded after 1945, when a ravaged country was desperate for fresh sources of protein). Over 5,000 tonnes now sits unsold in deep freezes.”

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21600182-last-it-looks-curtains-countrys-scientific-slaughter-harpooned

Personally, I can’t see a problem with eating the hundreds of whales that strand themselves every year on beaches around the world. As I understand it, humans have been taking advantage of this harvest for millennia.

morrie said:

Personally, I can’t see a problem with eating the hundreds of whales that strand themselves every year on beaches around the world. As I understand it, humans have been taking advantage of this harvest for millennia.

Nothing like a bit of lateral thinking.

PermeateFree said:

morrie said:

Personally, I can’t see a problem with eating the hundreds of whales that strand themselves every year on beaches around the world. As I understand it, humans have been taking advantage of this harvest for millennia.

Nothing like a bit of lateral thinking.

Try this.

http://s1276.photobucket.com/user/staffpicks/media/Animated_GIFs/tow.gif.html?sort=3&o=316

wookiemeister said:

Yeah right

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-13/japan-planning-to-continue-antarctic-whale-hunt-sea-shepherd/5386550

Anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd says Japan has filed court briefs in the United States indicating it intends to return to hunting whales in Antarctic waters next year

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

Yeah right

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-13/japan-planning-to-continue-antarctic-whale-hunt-sea-shepherd/5386550

Anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd says Japan has filed court briefs in the United States indicating it intends to return to hunting whales in Antarctic waters next year

It is most unlikely that Japan will be given permission to continue whaling under a scientific guise. It is probably an internal Japanese political matter, so they can say to the whaling lobby that they have done everything they could.