Just watched air crash investigations on national geographic

Turns out a Singaporean aircraft crashed and guess what

Just before the crash

The transponder was switched off

The pilot committed suicide and had lured the co pilot out of the cockpit before locking him out and sending the aircraft into a steep dive

So with mh370 I guess someone switched off the transponder and then rather than crash the aircraft somewhere easy to find, they took it somewhere where no one would consider looking. After killing everyone on board with lack of oxygen they then flew it into a region they knew would be incredibly hard to access. No one could say for sure they had killed themselves.

>>>So with mh370 I guess someone switched off the transponder
and then rather than crash the aircraft somewhere easy to find,
they took it somewhere where no one would consider looking.
<<

>So with mh370 I guess someone switched off the transponder and then rather than crash the aircraft somewhere easy to find, they took it somewhere where no one would consider looking. After killing everyone on board with lack of oxygen they then flew it into a region they knew would be incredibly hard to access. No one could say for sure they had killed themselves.

Yeah I think the cigarette lighter in the dashborad malfunctioned, then a pilot attempted to light his smoke by poking it in the rear of one of the jet engines. While one pilot was holding the other by the legs to perform this they both slipped off the wing. All the passengers and rest of the crew died of shock, shortly afterward the aircraft was hit by lightning and by some freakish turn of events reset the navigation system.

transition said:

>So with mh370 I guess someone switched off the transponder and then rather than crash the aircraft somewhere easy to find, they took it somewhere where no one would consider looking. After killing everyone on board with lack of oxygen they then flew it into a region they knew would be incredibly hard to access. No one could say for sure they had killed themselves.

Yeah I think the cigarette lighter in the dashborad malfunctioned, then a pilot attempted to light his smoke by poking it in the rear of one of the jet engines. While one pilot was holding the other by the legs to perform this they both slipped off the wing. All the passengers and rest of the crew died of shock, shortly afterward the aircraft was hit by lightning and by some freakish turn of events reset the navigation system.

as always, good sense prevails here……….. :P

transition said:

>So with mh370 I guess someone switched off the transponder and then rather than crash the aircraft somewhere easy to find, they took it somewhere where no one would consider looking. After killing everyone on board with lack of oxygen they then flew it into a region they knew would be incredibly hard to access. No one could say for sure they had killed themselves.

Yeah I think the cigarette lighter in the dashborad malfunctioned, then a pilot attempted to light his smoke by poking it in the rear of one of the jet engines. While one pilot was holding the other by the legs to perform this they both slipped off the wing. All the passengers and rest of the crew died of shock, shortly afterward the aircraft was hit by lightning and by some freakish turn of events reset the navigation system.

Now don’t be silly. I’m sure that not all of the passengers and crew would have died from shock.

I’d like a dollar for everytime I’ve hauled a big old Boing 777, or as we call them in the trade, triple sevens, from KL to Beijing.
The area where she disappeared is notorious for heavy turbulence, you often get a stratospheric inversion caused by a trought meeting cold air generated when the southern oscillation index is high.

Peak Warming Man said:

Boing 777…

Typo?

>Now don’t be silly. I’m sure that not all of the passengers and crew would have died from shock.

astutely discerningly perceptive.

I want to know why this is such a big deal. That French plane was missing for over 2 years and no one cared about it.

Divine Angel said:

I want to know why this is such a big deal. That French plane was missing for over 2 years and no one cared about it.

They knew where it was at least.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Divine Angel said:

I want to know why this is such a big deal. That French plane was missing for over 2 years and no one cared about it.

They knew where it was at least.

The Lady Southern Cross went missing in 1935 & AFAIK has not yet been found.

And the media didn’t care about that one either.

Divine Angel said:

And the media didn’t care about that one either.

They did at the time. It was Kingsford-Smith’s plane.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Divine Angel said:

I want to know why this is such a big deal. That French plane was missing for over 2 years and no one cared about it.

They knew where it was at least.

Yes. They knew that it had crashed into the ocean and found floating wreckage within a week. When the very first stage of grief is denial, without wreckage it is hard to convince the families of those on-board that their loved ones are not castaways.

Divine Angel said:

And the media didn’t care about that one either.

They did at the time. It was Kingsford-Smith’s plane.

I know… I was being facetious.

Divine Angel said:

I know… I was being facetious.

Sorry :(

That’s OK, there’s probably someone who didn’t know :p
Besides, I didn’t make a very good attempt. I was interrupted by a customer.

Divine Angel said:

That’s OK, there’s probably someone who didn’t know :p
Besides, I didn’t make a very good attempt. I was interrupted by a customer.

Don’t you just hate it when work gets in the way of a good post.

Yes! and then I lose my train of thought and look stoopid… well, OK, I usually don’t need help in that part :)

Divine Angel said:

Yes! and then I lose my train of thought and look stoopid… well, OK, I usually don’t need help in that part :)

Like mine eh? A very short train, easily derailed. :)

wookiemeister said:

Just watched air crash investigations on national geographic

Turns out a Singaporean aircraft crashed and guess what

Just before the crash

The transponder was switched off

The pilot committed suicide and had lured the co pilot out of the cockpit before locking him out and sending the aircraft into a steep dive

So with mh370 I guess someone switched off the transponder and then rather than crash the aircraft somewhere easy to find, they took it somewhere where no one would consider looking. After killing everyone on board with lack of oxygen they then flew it into a region they knew would be incredibly hard to access. No one could say for sure they had killed themselves.

If its suicide, why would the pilot give a fuck where the aircraft ended up?

These hundreds and thousands icecreams are actually quite nice.

gaghalfrunt said:

wookiemeister said:

Just watched air crash investigations on national geographic

Turns out a Singaporean aircraft crashed and guess what

Just before the crash

The transponder was switched off

The pilot committed suicide and had lured the co pilot out of the cockpit before locking him out and sending the aircraft into a steep dive

So with mh370 I guess someone switched off the transponder and then rather than crash the aircraft somewhere easy to find, they took it somewhere where no one would consider looking. After killing everyone on board with lack of oxygen they then flew it into a region they knew would be incredibly hard to access. No one could say for sure they had killed themselves.

If its suicide, why would the pilot give a fuck where the aircraft ended up?

evil suicide genius

Oops, sorry. Not really relevent.

gaghalfrunt said:

wookiemeister said:

Just watched air crash investigations on national geographic

Turns out a Singaporean aircraft crashed and guess what

Just before the crash

The transponder was switched off

The pilot committed suicide and had lured the co pilot out of the cockpit before locking him out and sending the aircraft into a steep dive

So with mh370 I guess someone switched off the transponder and then rather than crash the aircraft somewhere easy to find, they took it somewhere where no one would consider looking. After killing everyone on board with lack of oxygen they then flew it into a region they knew would be incredibly hard to access. No one could say for sure they had killed themselves.

If its suicide, why would the pilot give a fuck where the aircraft ended up?

To maximize the pain of Jailing of the opposition leader?

Given that flights on the same route often share the same number would they continue to use MH370 for subsequent flights or would they retire the number?

They’ve retired it.

I think buffy is on to something

furious said:

Given that flights on the same route often share the same number would they continue to use MH370 for subsequent flights or would they retire the number?

The number is still in use

furious said:

Given that flights on the same route often share the same number would they continue to use MH370 for subsequent flights or would they retire the number?

They have already retired it.

dv said:

I think buffy is on to something

I agree, he was on icecream and wanted more

19-Year-Old Develops Ocean Cleanup Array That Could Remove 7,250,000 Tons Of Plastic From the World’s Oceans

I still think this device could be used to find the missing bits of aircraft

buffy said:

Some people look at some figures and see different things from some other people. Then they argue.

This comment from earlier chat might fit in well here. I say they retired it, or maybe not.

Oddly prescient

http://tinypic.com/r/2qsxs77/8

AussieDJ said:

Oddly prescient

http://tinypic.com/r/2qsxs77/8

Fake. That is NOT a Boeing 777. That is an Airbus A380.

AussieDJ said:

Oddly prescient

http://tinypic.com/r/2qsxs77/8

http://www.thatsnonsense.com/view.php?id=1824

party_pants said:

AussieDJ said:

Oddly prescient

http://tinypic.com/r/2qsxs77/8

Fake. That is NOT a Boeing 777. That is an Airbus A380.

There’s your problem. Malaysian Airlines can’t tell one kind of aeroplane from another, let alone know which direction to take.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

AussieDJ said:

Oddly prescient

http://tinypic.com/r/2qsxs77/8

Fake. That is NOT a Boeing 777. That is an Airbus A380.

There’s your problem. Malaysian Airlines can’t tell one kind of aeroplane from another, let alone know which direction to take.

It’s not my problem.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Fake. That is NOT a Boeing 777. That is an Airbus A380.

There’s your problem. Malaysian Airlines can’t tell one kind of aeroplane from another, let alone know which direction to take.

It’s not my problem.

I was channelling Heinemann.

Missing Malaysia Airlines search: Chinese ship picks up pulse signal, reports
April 5, 2014 – 11:37PM
Melanie Kembrey

A Chinese patrol ship looking for signs of Malaysia Airlines MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean has recorded a pulse signal with a frequency of 37.5 kHz on Saturday, state news agency Xinhua reported.

Anish Patel, president of pinger manufacturer Dukane Seacom, said that was the standard beacon frequency for both black boxes: the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder.

‘‘They’re identical,’’ he said.

A black box detector deployed from the ship Haixun 01 picked up the signal but it hasn’t been established whether it is related to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, the agency said.

The signal, which experts say has the same frequency as flight recorders, was reportedly detected at 25 degrees south latitude and 101 degrees east longitude.

A ‘‘variety of things’’ use the same frequency as the pulse signals reportedly detected, University of Southampton oceanographer Simon Boxall said.

‘‘We’ve had a lot of red herrings, hyperbole on this whole search,” Mr Boxall told CNN. “I’d really like to see this data confirmed…It could be a false signal.”

It has been 30 days since the aircraft vanished and there are fears the beacon on the plane’s black boxes might run out of power and stop sending signals.

Although black box beacons have a battery life of about 30 days, they have been known to continue emitting signals for months longer.

The underwater component of the international search mission has only just begun.

The pinger locator can detect a box’s signals, but only from 1.6 kilometres away. The search for wreckage is in 217,000 square kilometres of ocean north-west of Perth.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-search-chinese-ship-picks-up-pulse-signal-reports-20140405-zqrbc.html#ixzz2y117MG9H

Bubblecar said:

AussieDJ said:

Oddly prescient

http://tinypic.com/r/2qsxs77/8

http://www.thatsnonsense.com/view.php?id=1824

of course its fake

the real advert also had the two towers deleted from the background

Witty Rejoinder said:

Missing Malaysia Airlines search: Chinese ship picks up pulse signal, reports
April 5, 2014 – 11:37PM
Melanie Kembrey

A Chinese patrol ship looking for signs of Malaysia Airlines MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean has recorded a pulse signal with a frequency of 37.5 kHz on Saturday, state news agency Xinhua reported.

Anish Patel, president of pinger manufacturer Dukane Seacom, said that was the standard beacon frequency for both black boxes: the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder.

‘‘They’re identical,’’ he said.

A black box detector deployed from the ship Haixun 01 picked up the signal but it hasn’t been established whether it is related to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, the agency said.

The signal, which experts say has the same frequency as flight recorders, was reportedly detected at 25 degrees south latitude and 101 degrees east longitude.

A ‘‘variety of things’’ use the same frequency as the pulse signals reportedly detected, University of Southampton oceanographer Simon Boxall said.

‘‘We’ve had a lot of red herrings, hyperbole on this whole search,” Mr Boxall told CNN. “I’d really like to see this data confirmed…It could be a false signal.”

It has been 30 days since the aircraft vanished and there are fears the beacon on the plane’s black boxes might run out of power and stop sending signals.

Although black box beacons have a battery life of about 30 days, they have been known to continue emitting signals for months longer.

The underwater component of the international search mission has only just begun.

The pinger locator can detect a box’s signals, but only from 1.6 kilometres away. The search for wreckage is in 217,000 square kilometres of ocean north-west of Perth.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-search-chinese-ship-picks-up-pulse-signal-reports-20140405-zqrbc.html#ixzz2y117MG9H

just saw that

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Missing Malaysia Airlines search: Chinese ship picks up pulse signal, reports
April 5, 2014 – 11:37PM
Melanie Kembrey

A Chinese patrol ship looking for signs of Malaysia Airlines MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean has recorded a pulse signal with a frequency of 37.5 kHz on Saturday, state news agency Xinhua reported.

Anish Patel, president of pinger manufacturer Dukane Seacom, said that was the standard beacon frequency for both black boxes: the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder.

‘‘They’re identical,’’ he said.

A black box detector deployed from the ship Haixun 01 picked up the signal but it hasn’t been established whether it is related to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, the agency said.

The signal, which experts say has the same frequency as flight recorders, was reportedly detected at 25 degrees south latitude and 101 degrees east longitude.

A ‘‘variety of things’’ use the same frequency as the pulse signals reportedly detected, University of Southampton oceanographer Simon Boxall said.

‘‘We’ve had a lot of red herrings, hyperbole on this whole search,” Mr Boxall told CNN. “I’d really like to see this data confirmed…It could be a false signal.”

It has been 30 days since the aircraft vanished and there are fears the beacon on the plane’s black boxes might run out of power and stop sending signals.

Although black box beacons have a battery life of about 30 days, they have been known to continue emitting signals for months longer.

The underwater component of the international search mission has only just begun.

The pinger locator can detect a box’s signals, but only from 1.6 kilometres away. The search for wreckage is in 217,000 square kilometres of ocean north-west of Perth.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-search-chinese-ship-picks-up-pulse-signal-reports-20140405-zqrbc.html#ixzz2y117MG9H

just saw that

If it turns out to be true, what are the odds for being within cooee of the flight recorder, yet with one of the largest searches in history, they could not find any wreckage on the surface. I would think it is the Chinese Military finding it with highly sophisticated equipment, which they have left out until the very last minute. I would also think NATO and other military establishments are very interested in knowing the capability of this Chinese detection equipment.

Just wondering why these black box thingies don’t transmit a unique ID with their signal, so we know what aircraft they are coming from.

rumpole said:

Just wondering why these black box thingies don’t transmit a unique ID with their signal, so we know what aircraft they are coming from.

There’s only one lost aircraft that we know of.

Peak Warming Man said:

rumpole said:

Just wondering why these black box thingies don’t transmit a unique ID with their signal, so we know what aircraft they are coming from.

There’s only one lost aircraft that we know of.

So why are the searchers unable to confirm that the signals received were from MH370 ?

rumpole said:

Peak Warming Man said:

rumpole said:

Just wondering why these black box thingies don’t transmit a unique ID with their signal, so we know what aircraft they are coming from.

There’s only one lost aircraft that we know of.

So why are the searchers unable to confirm that the signals received were from MH370 ?

Well they are not totally sure the signals are from a black box yet.
I know you’d think they would send a copy of the signals to the manufacturer for confirmation, I don’t know if they have done that or not but this paragraph from yesterday puts a small question mark on it.

“The only thing that was a little off was the frequency of the transmission but based on the age of the beacons and talking to the manufacturers, it is still a signal of interest.”

I don’t understand why they’re waiting for either more signals or no signals (confirmation that the black box battery is dead) to resume the search for it.

Interesting. I wonder what else it could be.

They picked up two new signals last night so I’m guessing that is enough for them now to deploy the little robot thingy that will do a sonar/radar search of the sea bed in that area and if it finds something unusual they will then do a visual search using artificial light and a camera.

How far does the artificial light reach?

• I don’t understand why they’re waiting for either more signals or no signals (confirmation that the black box battery is dead) to resume the search for it.

You are wandering around looking for something and you hear it but not sure of the direction from where it came, so you stop walking, listening intensely, hoping to hear it again. If you keep going in the direction you were heading, you might be moving away from it but you dare not change direction for the same reason. Instead you wait…

• They picked up two new signals last night so I’m guessing that is enough for them now to deploy the little robot thingy

They say it is still not good enough reason to get the robot out of the garage…

Divine Angel said:

How far does the artificial light reach?

Not very far.
The SAA crash at a similar depth was “like looking for an earing on a football field”. said one of the operators.

jjjust moi said:

Divine Angel said:

How far does the artificial light reach?

Not very far.
The SAA crash at a similar depth was “like looking for an earing on a football field”. said one of the operators.

I’ve actually looked for an earring on a footy field :(

rumpole said:

Interesting. I wonder what else it could be.

Playful dolphins

“5.The frequency of the sounds produced by a bottlenose dolphin ranges from 0.2 to 150 kHz. The lower frequency vocalizations (about 0.2 to 50 kHz) are likely used in social communication. Social signals have their most energy at frequencies less than 40 kHz. Higher frequency clicks (40 to 150 kHz) are primarily used for echolocation.”

they wanted a third signal so they had a defined search area, a little triangle. with two signals you get just crossed lines and depending on the accuracy of the direction and the angle they intersect at you are left with a larger uncertain area.

rumpole said:

Just wondering why these black box thingies don’t transmit a unique ID with their signal, so we know what aircraft they are coming from.

If the aircraft crashes onto land, the black box transmits a radio signal, which can carry information about the serial number of the bb and other information and can be traced fairly easily by triangulation. Radio doesn’t work under seawater because water is a conductor, so they have to use sound waves instead. High frequency sound can carry information, but doesn’t travel very far; low-frequency sound can’t carry much information but can travel long distances (whale calls, for example, use very low frequencies and can be heard on the other side of the world.) The frequency they use is a trade-off on carrying some information and travelling some distance. The basic assumption is that they’ll usually have a good idea of the region the plane went down, which has been stretched in this case.

JudgeMental said:

they wanted a third signal so they had a defined search area, a little triangle. with two signals you get just crossed lines and depending on the accuracy of the direction and the angle they intersect at you are left with a larger uncertain area.

They got two new ones overnight making four in total in that area.

rumpole said:

Interesting. I wonder what else it could be.

That pommie sub sneaking (not so much) around.

That’s good, thanks

Ta Boris and Wocky and furious et al.

radio will work underwater but at very low frequencies, vlf and elf (extra low…) that’s how the “talk” to subs. as wocky says though, not much info can be carries by low frequencies. one reason fibre optic cable can carry more info than copper wires or wireless, higher frequency.

morrie said:

rumpole said:

Interesting. I wonder what else it could be.

Playful dolphins

“5.The frequency of the sounds produced by a bottlenose dolphin ranges from 0.2 to 150 kHz. The lower frequency vocalizations (about 0.2 to 50 kHz) are likely used in social communication. Social signals have their most energy at frequencies less than 40 kHz. Higher frequency clicks (40 to 150 kHz) are primarily used for echolocation.”

Maybe that leads to the question if you could train dolphins to search for black boxes ?

:)

• Maybe that leads to the question if you could train dolphins to search for black boxes ?

How deep can dolphins go? I think Sperm Whales can go fairly deep but the bottom of this ocean might even be beyond them…

rumpole said:

morrie said:

rumpole said:

Interesting. I wonder what else it could be.

Playful dolphins

“5.The frequency of the sounds produced by a bottlenose dolphin ranges from 0.2 to 150 kHz. The lower frequency vocalizations (about 0.2 to 50 kHz) are likely used in social communication. Social signals have their most energy at frequencies less than 40 kHz. Higher frequency clicks (40 to 150 kHz) are primarily used for echolocation.”

Maybe that leads to the question if you could train dolphins to search for black boxes ?

:)

Good thinking :) I wonder how deep they can go?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_with_submarines#Very_low_frequency

Sperm Whale: Plunging to 2,250 metres (7,380 ft) for prey, it is the second deepest diving mammal, following only the Cuvier’s beaked whale.

Cuvier’s beaked whale: In 2014, scientists reported that they had used satellite-linked tags to track Cuvier’s beaked whales off the coast of California and found the animals dove 2,992 meters (nearly two miles) below the ocean surface and spent two hours and 17 minutes underwater before resurfacing, which represent both the deepest and the longest dives ever documented for any marine mammal

How deep can dolphins dive?: The deepest dive ever recorded for a bottlenose dolphin was a 300 meters

furious said:

Sperm Whale: Plunging to 2,250 metres (7,380 ft) for prey, it is the second deepest diving mammal, following only the Cuvier’s beaked whale.

Cuvier’s beaked whale: In 2014, scientists reported that they had used satellite-linked tags to track Cuvier’s beaked whales off the coast of California and found the animals dove 2,992 meters (nearly two miles) below the ocean surface and spent two hours and 17 minutes underwater before resurfacing, which represent both the deepest and the longest dives ever documented for any marine mammal

How deep can dolphins dive?: The deepest dive ever recorded for a bottlenose dolphin was a 300 meters

You don’t need them to actually get to the depths where the box is, just find the general area. Would the “ping” be audible at 300 metres if the box was at 4,000 M ?

When If I become an evil mad scientist, I’ll be locating my secret laboratory somewhere on the bottom of the southern Indian Ocean. Nobody will ever find it.

PM 2Ring said:

When If I become an evil mad scientist, I’ll be locating my secret laboratory somewhere on the bottom of the southern Indian Ocean. Nobody will ever find it.

Long way to the shops. Would you be able to grow your own legumes down there?

Bubblecar said:

PM 2Ring said:

When If I become an evil mad scientist, I’ll be locating my secret laboratory somewhere on the bottom of the southern Indian Ocean. Nobody will ever find it.

Long way to the shops. Would you be able to grow your own legumes down there?

Sure! Secret laboratories tend to consume a lot of electricity, so there’s no point setting one up if you don’t have a good power supply; diverting some of that power to run the grow lights shouldn’t interfere with the main take-over-the world projects.

The thing is it would be extraordinary to the point of disbelief if the plans black box is found tens of thousands of miles from where it disappeared in 4 kilometre deep water without any trace of debris.
I think it was tracked with more than just a satellite ping, I’d say they were given a nod and a wink by some military agency who know more than they can let on.

Peak Warming Man said:

The thing is it would be extraordinary to the point of disbelief if the plans black box is found tens of thousands of miles from where it disappeared in 4 kilometre deep water without any trace of debris.
I think it was tracked with more than just a satellite ping, I’d say they were given a nod and a wink by some military agency who know more than they can let on.

I suspect the cockpit voice recorder will prove to be of no use at all.

Skeptic Pete said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The thing is it would be extraordinary to the point of disbelief if the plans black box is found tens of thousands of miles from where it disappeared in 4 kilometre deep water without any trace of debris.
I think it was tracked with more than just a satellite ping, I’d say they were given a nod and a wink by some military agency who know more than they can let on.

I suspect the cockpit voice recorder will prove to be of no use at all.

Yeah, it’s on a two hour loop or some such.

Skeptic Pete said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The thing is it would be extraordinary to the point of disbelief if the plans black box is found tens of thousands of miles from where it disappeared in 4 kilometre deep water without any trace of debris.
I think it was tracked with more than just a satellite ping, I’d say they were given a nod and a wink by some military agency who know more than they can let on.

I suspect the cockpit voice recorder will prove to be of no use at all.

captain’s last words..

“hold my beer and check this out…”

PM 2Ring said:

When If I become an evil mad scientist, I’ll be locating my secret laboratory somewhere on the bottom of the southern Indian Ocean. Nobody will ever find it.

I bet the NSA or the CIA or ??? has a secret base inside a plane on the floor of the seabed, its some where off the coast of china and theres another one of the coast of North Korea and there are reports of 3 others, there is also another one which will be used in a James Bond movie, MI5 manages to fly it out of the water somewhere on a secret mission to somewhere to do some secret stuff somewhere.

they are using triangulation to close in on the plane

I bet the black recorder will be found and I wonder if it has recorded an argument with the pilots or recorded knocking on the cockpit cabin door?

I bet it recorded something concerning the pilots

Michael V said:

!https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7432/12821120745_3860746b0c.jpg

Sorry, wrong thread.

:(

Flight mh 370